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    Outrage against Bashar al-Assad after nerve gas attack

    The United Nations has confirmed that the chemical weapons dropped on the town of Khan Sheikhoun in northern Syria early on Tuesday morning were delivered by aerial bombardment, which is as much as to say that the attack was conducted by Syria’s dictator, Bashar al-Assad, or, less likely, his Russian allies, since the rebellion does not have an air force.

    The number of people murdered in this attack on civilians is now believed to exceed 100, and anything up to 500 people were injured, including first-responders who were not wearing protective gear.

    In tandem with the symptoms - difficulty breathing, foaming at the mouth, dilated pupils - displayed in horrific videos and images across social media, it makes it very likely the substance used in this case was a nerve agent.

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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/o...tack-n6hnvvx0h

    Absolutely horrifying that this sort of thing is being conducted in conjunction with a superpower in today's world. Even doctors who are treating the victims are being attacked as they try to do their work. Is this what the new world order is supposed to be about?


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    This new world order is manpads away from falling apart. Superpowers enabled this mass murderer in the first place. He won't leave as long as Russia and Iran are backing him. Russia won't back down unless this conflict gets too expensive for them.

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    Iran slams chemical attack in Syria, urges disarmament of terrorist groups

    Iran slams chemical attack in Syria, urges disarmament of terrorist groups

    Iran has strongly condemned the use of chemical weapons in Syria, underling the need for disarming terrorists operating in the Arab country.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/0...ia-terrorists/

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    Rebel warehouse with chem weapons hit by Syrian airstrike in Idlib – Russian MOD

    The Syrian Air Force has destroyed a warehouse in Idlib province where chemical weapons were being produced and stockpiled before being shipped to Iraq, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman said.
    The strike, which was launched midday Tuesday, targeted a major rebel ammunition depot east of the town of Khan Sheikhoun, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said in a statement.

    The warehouse was used to both produce and store shells containing toxic gas, Konashenkov said. The shells were delivered to Iraq and repeatedly used there, he added, pointing out that both Iraq and international organizations have confirmed the use of such weapons by militants.

    The same chemical munitions were used by militants in Aleppo, where Russian military experts took samples in late 2016, Konashenkov said.

    The Defense Ministry has confirmed this information as “fully objective and verified,” Konashenkov added.

    According to the statement, Khan Sheikhoun civilians, who recently suffered a chemical attack, displayed identical symptoms to those of Aleppo chemical attack victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    This new world order is manpads away from falling apart. Superpowers enabled this mass murderer in the first place. He won't leave as long as Russia and Iran are backing him. Russia won't back down unless this conflict gets too expensive for them.
    Looks like you are right, Iran and Russia's propaganda wing on PP is providing alternative news already. Who to believe? The UN or Assad/Russia/Iran?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Looks like you are right, Iran and Russia's propaganda wing on PP is providing alternative news already. Who to believe? The UN or Assad/Russia/Iran?
    Here is the alternative to their propaganda.https://www.facebook.com/notes/confl...67021830117463

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    There is no reason for Assad/Russia/Iran to use chemical weapons as they are already winning with conventional weapons.

    Previous claims by west about chemical weapons were thoroughly debunked and this time west is not even on ground.

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    Does it even matter??...

    I think both sides can accept that both sides are fighting an indiscriminate war...issues of proportionality have gone out of the window...

    The only defence one can have for the likes of Assad and those who fight on his behalf are that IS disgracefully uses people as human shields...the problem with this 'shahid' concept is you have absolutely no problem endangering the lives of civilians...

    Thing is though Russia has shown in Chechnya...and Assad has shown in Syria already that they fight indiscriminate force with indiscriminate force...

    Its becoming a bit ridiculous hearing sides accusing the other of endangering civilians...when the fact is neither side cares...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Does it even matter??...

    I think both sides can accept that both sides are fighting an indiscriminate war...issues of proportionality have gone out of the window...

    The only defence one can have for the likes of Assad and those who fight on his behalf are that IS disgracefully uses people as human shields...the problem with this 'shahid' concept is you have absolutely no problem endangering the lives of civilians...

    Thing is though Russia has shown in Chechnya...and Assad has shown in Syria already that they fight indiscriminate force with indiscriminate force...

    Its becoming a bit ridiculous hearing sides accusing the other of endangering civilians...when the fact is neither side cares...
    The only way to avoid civilians casualties is to fight street to street battles on the ground, but that can lead to a lot of casualties to your own forces. Hence if you have air power that is one way of avoiding those losses. Then when you are meeting stiff resistance as in the case of Mosul and other pockets of Syria, chemical weapons are another method of reducing your own losses while cleaning out the opposition. Shame about the civilians, but as you say, it's ISIS fault for using them as human shields.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The only way to avoid civilians casualties is to fight street to street battles on the ground, but that can lead to a lot of casualties to your own forces. Hence if you have air power that is one way of avoiding those losses. Then when you are meeting stiff resistance as in the case of Mosul and other pockets of Syria, chemical weapons are another method of reducing your own losses while cleaning out the opposition. Shame about the civilians, but as you say, it's ISIS fault for using them as human shields.
    Herein lies one of the big moral issues of war...is preventing the loss of your own military more important than the lives of civilians of the other side...

    With air assaults for example...the lower you are the more accurate you can be...but of course you are more likely to be hit...

    I find its easy to condemn sitting behind a keyboard but decisions themselves aren't easy...

    What do people think?...increase your own military casualties and consequently reduce civilian casualties?...
    or limit your own military casualties and increase risks to civilians?...

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    Surprised our scholarly posters turn a blind eye to substantial evidence published by Wikileaks on the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

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    Each side commits atrocities, kills civilians, and then blames the other side. Here Russia is defending the Syrian regime murdering indiscriminately using ghastly methods, whilst not many days ago U.S./British jets were bombing and killing hundreds of civilians. In both cases, neither is accepting the blame.

    The Russians/Syrians are blaming the rebels for producing/storing chemical weapons, whilst the U.S./Britain/Iraq blame Isis for hiding amongst civilians.

    But in neither case are they acknowledging the fact that even if their claims are correct, it means that they still went ahead with the bombing raids whilst knowing that hundreds of civilians will be killed as a direct result of their actions.

    Neither side cares about innocent civilians being killed. They are just pawns on the game of chess that is being played.


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    ^^^ Just to add:

    Would the Russians/Syrians have gone ahead with their bombing raids if Isis or the rebels were using Russian captives instead of Syrian civilians as human shields? Similarly, would the US/British have gone ahead with the bombing raids in Mosul if Isis were using captured U.S./British citizens, instead of Iraqi civilians, as human shields?

    Civilians are 'collateral damage' as long as they're not from your own side.
    Last edited by Yossarian; 5th April 2017 at 16:49.


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    Both sides are killing civilians without regard to innocent lives being lost. Russians bombed the lights out of cities a while back while the West killed hundreds just recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Each side commits atrocities, kills civilians, and then blames the other side. Here Russia is defending the Syrian regime murdering indiscriminately using ghastly methods, whilst not many days ago U.S./British jets were bombing and killing hundreds of civilians. In both cases, neither is accepting the blame.

    The Russians/Syrians are blaming the rebels for producing/storing chemical weapons, whilst the U.S./Britain/Iraq blame Isis for hiding amongst civilians.

    But in neither case are they acknowledging the fact that even if their claims are correct, it means that they still went ahead with the bombing raids whilst knowing that hundreds of civilians will be killed as a direct result of their actions.

    Neither side cares about innocent civilians being killed. They are just pawns on the game of chess that is being played.
    Syrian/Russian did not know that Chemical Weapons were also stored in that weapon depot of rebels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    ^^^ Just to add:

    Would the Russians/Syrians have gone ahead with their bombing raids if Isis or the rebels were using Russian captives instead of Syrian civilians as human shields? Similarly, would the US/British have gone ahead with the bombing raids in Mosul if Isis were using captured U.S./British citizens, instead of Iraqi civilians, as human shields?

    Civilians are 'collateral damage' as long as they're not from your own side.
    Do you think that is wrong though?...

    Also Syrians do bomb Syrians...isn't that the issue?...

    iS who have absolutely no interest in preserving life at all so will quite happily use their own as human shields ...

    If they cared more about preserving lives on their own side then maybe it would be a military v military conflict ...

    Some sides need to actually value their own sides lives more ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    Syrian/Russian did not know that Chemical Weapons were also stored in that weapon depot of rebels.
    How can you know? Besides, if the Syrians/Russians knew it was a weapons depot (and hence why they bombed it), and as they claim, the rebels had been using/transporting chemical weapons previously, then it's logical to assume that the rebels would store any chemical weapons they had in the same place as they stored other weapons. But the Syrians/Russians bombed it anyway knowing that the bombings would unleash and disperse the chemicals amongst the civilian population.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Do you think that is wrong though?...

    Also Syrians do bomb Syrians...isn't that the issue?...

    iS who have absolutely no interest in preserving life at all so will quite happily use their own as human shields ...

    If they cared more about preserving lives on their own side then maybe it would be a military v military conflict ...

    Some sides need to actually value their own sides lives more ...
    So, as per your logic, because Isis use civilians as human shields, it's ok to unleash the bombs knowing that in the process of killing Isis members, the civilian human shields were also guaranteed to be killed? I thought the whole purpose of eliminating Isis was because they are such bad eggs, but if we stoop to their level (or even worse since bombs from the air can kill and wound hundreds at a time) then what's the difference between Isis and us?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    How can you know? Besides, if the Syrians/Russians knew it was a weapons depot (and hence why they bombed it), and as they claim, the rebels had been using/transporting chemical weapons previously, then it's logical to assume that the rebels would store any chemical weapons they had in the same place as they stored other weapons. But the Syrians/Russians bombed it anyway knowing that the bombings would unleash and disperse the chemicals amongst the civilian population.
    - Last incident of the use of chemical weapons was couple of years ago
    - Syria/Russia knew in advance about the weapon depot and weapon cache is a legitimate target.
    - They were not aware if the stock also included chemical gas. However I am not sure they would have decided differently had they knew in advance.


    FYI, West and Russia had clashes on this topic in UN. But as West was proven wrong in 2013 accusations, i am confident they would be proven wrong again as West is just repeating rebels' claims.
    West cannot accept that Rebels storing chemical weapons as then they cannot support rebels openly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    So, as per your logic, because Isis use civilians as human shields, it's ok to unleash the bombs knowing that in the process of killing Isis members, the civilian human shields were also guaranteed to be killed? I thought the whole purpose of eliminating Isis was because they are such bad eggs, but if we stoop to their level (or even worse since bombs from the air can kill and wound hundreds at a time) then what's the difference between Isis and us?
    It's a Rebels' help area and not ISIS held area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    It's a Rebels' help area and not ISIS held area.
    I was referring jointly to both this incident of the Syrians/Russians bombing the rebels (with many civilian deaths via chemical weapons as discussed), as well as the incident of US/UK warplanes bombing Mosul resulting in hundreds of civilian deaths due to (as is claimed) Isis using civilians as human shields.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    So, as per your logic, because Isis use civilians as human shields, it's ok to unleash the bombs knowing that in the process of killing Isis members, the civilian human shields were also guaranteed to be killed? I thought the whole purpose of eliminating Isis was because they are such bad eggs, but if we stoop to their level (or even worse since bombs from the air can kill and wound hundreds at a time) then what's the difference between Isis and us?
    It's called proportionality...ie you weigh up the advantages of attacking against the disadvantages...eg if a prominent target has four civilians near him...do you bomb or do you not bomb?...i'm glad i don't make these decisions...these decisions are made extra difficult by those who choose to use human shields as a tactic...

    And as per the rules of warfare...using of human shields is a war crime...and the responsibility for those deaths lies with the enemy who uses it...

    And no it isn't stooping to IS's level...IS kills civilians specifically as a tactic...proportionality isn't even a concept for IS...the opponents lives military nor civilian are relevant...and neither are the lives on their own side...i guess if they die they have being shahid to look forward to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    It's called proportionality...ie you weigh up the advantages of attacking against the disadvantages...eg if a prominent target has four civilians near him...do you bomb or do you not bomb?...i'm glad i don't make these decisions...these decisions are made extra difficult by those who choose to use human shields as a tactic...
    Except that, as I've mentioned at least 3 or 4 times in this thread, the dead and wounded in the USA/UK attack on Isis numbered in the hundreds. A point you are not just conveniently ignoring but trying to play down with your "four civilians near him" comment.

    Besides, advantages for who? Certainly not for the innocents caught in the middle. It's bad enough them being used by the likes of Isis. But then to be killed by their 'liberators' in the guise of 'proportionality'?

    And as per the rules of warfare...using of human shields is a war crime...and the responsibility for those deaths lies with the enemy who uses it...
    Of course it's a crime. Talk about the bleeding obvious! It's because Isis are vile criminals and murderers that we are trying to eliminate them! So this "responsibility for those deaths lies with the enemy" remark in this instance is completely meaningless.

    And no it isn't stooping to IS's level...IS kills civilians specifically as a tactic...proportionality isn't even a concept for IS...the opponents lives military nor civilian are relevant...and neither are the lives on their own side...i guess if they die they have being shahid to look forward to...
    "Proportionality", "collateral damage" .... from the point of view of the loved ones of the innocent civilians killed, dead is dead. Whether at the hands of Isis or at the hands of those claiming to free them from the hands of the Isis thugs.

    In fact, the killing of innocent civilians directly leads to more 'terrorists' created.
    eg If an innocent gets killed, no matter by which side, then his/her loved ones couldn't care less whether they were killed by the 'evil ones', or died as the result of 'collateral damage' by the 'good guys'. As far they are concerned their loved ones are dead!.
    And if they're the type to seek revenge, then you've just created a new 'terrorist'.
    And so the cycle continues.


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    Syria is a mess. Outsiders will still hope the Syrian army will finish off the ISIS in Syria. This means Assad will be in power for a long time and he won't easily let go of those that rebelled against him.

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    growing evidence suggesting it wasn't the butcher Assad that used the nerve gas, it was western coalition backed rebels:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LULz...be&app=desktop

    https://mobile.twitter.com/sahouraxo...35794994286592

    possibly a similar false flag to the alleged similar event a few years ago:

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...t-assads-regi/

    who knows? could very well be the Israelis given they have been firing missiles over the past few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Except that, as I've mentioned at least 3 or 4 times in this thread, the dead and wounded in the USA/UK attack on Isis numbered in the hundreds. A point you are not just conveniently ignoring but trying to play down with your "four civilians near him" comment.

    Besides, advantages for who? Certainly not for the innocents caught in the middle. It's bad enough them being used by the likes of Isis. But then to be killed by their 'liberators' in the guise of 'proportionality'?

    Of course it's a crime. Talk about the bleeding obvious! It's because Isis are vile criminals and murderers that we are trying to eliminate them! So this "responsibility for those deaths lies with the enemy" remark in this instance is completely meaningless.

    "Proportionality", "collateral damage" .... from the point of view of the loved ones of the innocent civilians killed, dead is dead. Whether at the hands of Isis or at the hands of those claiming to free them from the hands of the Isis thugs.

    In fact, the killing of innocent civilians directly leads to more 'terrorists' created.
    eg If an innocent gets killed, no matter by which side, then his/her loved ones couldn't care less whether they were killed by the 'evil ones', or died as the result of 'collateral damage' by the 'good guys'. As far they are concerned their loved ones are dead!.
    And if they're the type to seek revenge, then you've just created a new 'terrorist'.
    And so the cycle continues.
    Not meaningless at all...as said...if the enemy surrounds itself with civilians then that is a war crime...

    That said as i have already stated...its not as if this war is being fought discriminately on either side anyway...

    Feel free to read my original post where I clearly stated 'proportionality has gone out of the window'...

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    This was not Assad. Why would he use chemical weapons when West is just looking for an excuse to go into Syria and do to him what was done to Saddam and Gaddafi?

    The West will absolutely not tolerate Assad staying in power though. CIA/Bush/Mossad have been trying for too long to get him out of power but he has persisted. The Neocons want him dead. Best case scenario would be for him to let Trump come in Syria, accept his safe zone, let him take out ISIS/Nusra and then step down to someone with less baggage. It seems that is what Trump wants to do and its best if Assad plays along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Not meaningless at all...as said...if the enemy surrounds itself with civilians then that is a war crime...
    Of course it's meaningless. Do you think Isis cares about being accused of committing war crimes by using civilians as human shields when many of their other crimes are on an even many times worse scale? Hence my point that you can't absolve 'the good guys' for their part in the deaths of innocent civilians who are being used as human shields when they know that innocents are certain to die as a result of their actions of bombings from the air.

    It's akin to being accused of being a witch in the Middle Ages. The test to see whether or not someone was a witch was to tie them up and throw them into the river. If they drowned then they were not a witch. If they survived, then they were a witch and therefore hanged. ie They were certain to die a horrible death the moment accusations of being a witch were made against them. The innocent civilians are in the same predicament: die at the hands of Isis, or die at the hands of their 'good guys' 'liberators'. Some liberation!


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    Asaad is a sadistic person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcrazy View Post
    Asaad is a sadistic person.
    Actually he's a qualified doctor. He did his postgraduate studies at the Western Eye Hospital in London, specialising in ophthalmology.


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    well whoever did it, it looks like the USA bastion of secular freedom and democratic justice has launched a missile attack on Syria in response to the missile attack.

    lets hope its a pr stunt at the cost of a bunch of worthless brown lives, and not the beginnings of a Russian/USA conflict.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39523654

    "US launches multiple strikes targeting airfield in Syria, following suspected chemical attack - US media reports
    This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Of course it's meaningless. Do you think Isis cares about being accused of committing war crimes by using civilians as human shields when many of their other crimes are on an even many times worse scale? Hence my point that you can't absolve 'the good guys' for their part in the deaths of innocent civilians who are being used as human shields when they know that innocents are certain to die as a result of their actions of bombings from the air.

    It's akin to being accused of being a witch in the Middle Ages. The test to see whether or not someone was a witch was to tie them up and throw them into the river. If they drowned then they were not a witch. If they survived, then they were a witch and therefore hanged. ie They were certain to die a horrible death the moment accusations of being a witch were made against them. The innocent civilians are in the same predicament: die at the hands of Isis, or die at the hands of their 'good guys' 'liberators'. Some liberation!
    If wars had to meet your standards then no-one would ever fight ...

    On the subject of this conflict Iraqi military have said that under Trump it has been a lot easier to launch air strikes ...the concern for civilian casualties was higher under Obama's administration ...ie notions of proportionality existed ...even when IS used human shields ...after all that's the point of a human shield ...it acts as a deterrent ...

    As it stands the Americans have changed the rules of engagement ...laws of war do place responsibility for human shields on the side that uses them ...what I'm not saying is this should never act as a deterrent ...just that civilian death is more likely when one uses them as targets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Actually he's a qualified doctor. He did his postgraduate studies at the Western Eye Hospital in London, specialising in ophthalmology.
    Doctors can't be sadistic?


    Ayman al-Zawahira is a qualified doctor too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    If wars had to meet your standards then no-one would ever fight ...

    On the subject of this conflict Iraqi military have said that under Trump it has been a lot easier to launch air strikes ...the concern for civilian casualties was higher under Obama's administration ...ie notions of proportionality existed ...even when IS used human shields ...after all that's the point of a human shield ...it acts as a deterrent ...

    As it stands the Americans have changed the rules of engagement ...laws of war do place responsibility for human shields on the side that uses them ...what I'm not saying is this should never act as a deterrent ...just that civilian death is more likely when one uses them as targets

    The west didn't change the rules of engagement, the rules had already been set by the Assad and his support by the Russians, ample evidence of which exists that they were disregarding civilian casualties as a necessary and in some cases, desirable collateral damage. There was a programme on Channel 4 yesterday about the ethnic cleansing being carried out in Syria and Iraq by Shia militias who are ostensibly the footsoldiers for the Russia/Iran/Assad nexus. Chemical weapons would be seen as an easy victory as compared to fighting street to street and taking losses for the soldiers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The west didn't change the rules of engagement, the rules had already been set by the Assad and his support by the Russians, ample evidence of which exists that they were disregarding civilian casualties as a necessary and in some cases, desirable collateral damage. There was a programme on Channel 4 yesterday about the ethnic cleansing being carried out in Syria and Iraq by Shia militias who are ostensibly the footsoldiers for the Russia/Iran/Assad nexus. Chemical weapons would be seen as an easy victory as compared to fighting street to street and taking losses for the soldiers.
    In other words same as dropping bombs from a few thousand feet up in the air.

    What I personally find disgusting is that whereas civilian deaths by the use of chemical weapons are (rightly) seen as being abhorent and criminal acts, the deaths of civilians caused by bombings from thousands of feet up in the air get justified and excused on the basis of being "collateral damage".

    In my opinion, the deaths of innocent civilians is criminal, especially when the possibility of such deaths occurring is known in advance as being very likely, whether caused by the 'bad guys' or as the result of "collateral damage" by the 'good guys'. An innocent dead is an innocent dead, no matter by whom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Doctors can't be sadistic?
    I thought there had to be a certain element of sadism in them to be doctors in the first place? Else how can they be able to cut up (when performing surgery) live human beings on a daily basis?


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    'The dead were wherever you looked': inside Syrian town after gas attack

    han Sheikhun is a ghost town, its streets deserted and silent as though mourning the victims of the atrocity that occurred here two days earlier.

    The only reminder of what happened is a small, blackened, crater near the northern part of town, where a rocket laced with a nerve agent fell, killing more than 70 people in one of the worst mass casualty chemical attacks in the six-year war in Syria.

    All that remains of the attack on the town in rebel-held Idlib province is a faint stench that tingles the nostrils and a small green fragment from the rocket. The houses nearby are emptied of the living.

    The victims’ symptoms are consistent with sarin, the nerve agent that was dropped on an opposition-held area near Damascus in 2013, killing more than 1,000 people. After that attack the regime supposedly gave up its chemical weapons arsenal.

    Moscow, Bashar al-Assad’s principal backer in the war, said the Syrian government had bombed a rebel-run toxic gas manufacturing plant in Khan Sheikhun, and that the gas had subsequently leaked out.

    The Guardian, the first western media organisation to visit the site of the attack, examined a warehouse and silos directly next to where the missile had landed, and found nothing but an abandoned space covered in dust and half-destroyed silos reeking of leftover grain and animal manure.

    Residents said the silos had been damaged in air raids six months ago, and had stood unused since then.

    “You can look at it ; there’s nothing there except maybe some grain and animal dung, and there’s even a dead goat there that suffocated in the attack,” one person said. Residents responded in disbelief to the Russian allegation.

    There was no evidence of any building being hit in recent days or weeks near where so many people were killed and wounded by a nerve agent. The homes across the street appeared undamaged from the outside. There was no contamination zone near any building. Instead, the contamination area radiated from a hole in a road.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hemical-attack
    The Russian/Assad lies exposed. The Guardian is considered a left wing newspaper in Britain, they would have no reason to distort the truth. This is a report from on the ground by their reporters.

    Shame on those who peddle propaganda on behalf of Russia and Assad while enjoying life in the west.
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    Got the following on BBC:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    In other words same as dropping bombs from a few thousand feet up in the air.

    What I personally find disgusting is that whereas civilian deaths by the use of chemical weapons are (rightly) seen as being abhorent and criminal acts, the deaths of civilians caused by bombings from thousands of feet up in the air get justified and excused on the basis of being "collateral damage".

    In my opinion, the deaths of innocent civilians is criminal, especially when the possibility of such deaths occurring is known in advance as being very likely, whether caused by the 'bad guys' or as the result of "collateral damage" by the 'good guys'. An innocent dead is an innocent dead, no matter by whom.
    Am amazed how easily this is being overlooked with a lack of humanity being shown or compassion on any level, there are actual posters who are sugar coating the death of these innocents; very easy to do behind their keyboards.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Replacing the secular dictatorship of Assad with a taliban-ish alternative , with ISIS knocking at the door is not a good idea. Not a good idea at all.


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    Assad's tyrannical regime is far from being perfect but why would Assad even contemplate on using chemical attacks at this point of the War? He is currently winning the war and has won key battles in past few months. Plus, he isn't supposed to have any chemical weapons because Obama along with Russia's help, confiscated any chemical weapons his government possessed. This is very fishy and there needs to be UN investigation into all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    Replacing the secular dictatorship of Assad with a taliban-ish alternative , with ISIS knocking at the door is not a good idea. Not a good idea at all.
    How did you arrive at this prospect from reading the OP? Please share your thoughts my Indian friend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hiyuo View Post
    Assad's tyrannical regime is far from being perfect but why would Assad even contemplate on using chemical attacks at this point of the War? He is currently winning the war and has won key battles in past few months. Plus, he isn't supposed to have any chemical weapons because Obama along with Russia's help, confiscated any chemical weapons his government possessed. This is very fishy and there needs to be UN investigation into all this.
    The reports are all coming from respected news sites in the UK, the two I have linked to are The Times and The Guardian, both at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Are you saying British journalism is disreputable? As compared to who? Russian propaganda division?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    How did you arrive at this prospect from reading the OP? Please share your thoughts my Indian friend.
    That's what Trump and his buddy Rex seem to suggest from the latest reports. Please do keep up , friend.

    Maybe I'm giving him more credit but I remain skeptical of Assad using chemical weapons so soon after Rex Tillerson's comments that the US isn't too bothered about Assad anymore .. well atleast for now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hiyuo View Post
    Assad's tyrannical regime is far from being perfect but why would Assad even contemplate on using chemical attacks at this point of the War? He is currently winning the war and has won key battles in past few months. Plus, he isn't supposed to have any chemical weapons because Obama along with Russia's help, confiscated any chemical weapons his government possessed. This is very fishy and there needs to be UN investigation into all this.
    Dictators are not most rational people. Maybe he did it to punish the rebels for the new offensive they launched couple weeks ago. Rebels reached the outskirts of Hama city before being pushed back. If Hama city falls so will the rural areas around it. That will isolate the Aleppo city from rest of Regime's territory, which is under Russia's control. It's disappointing to see people repeating Russian talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    That's what Trump and his buddy Rex seem to suggest from the latest reports. Please do keep up , friend.

    Maybe I'm giving him more credit but I remain skeptical of Assad using chemical weapons so soon after Rex Tillerson's comments that the US isn't too bothered about Assad anymore .. well atleast for now.
    Can you provide some quotes to back up this assertion that the US administration would be involved in replacing the secular Assad with a Taliban-ish/ISIS regime? I think such a mind boggling claim needs some substance if you are going to use it in a thread about the secular Assad using chemical weapons on civilians.


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    I'd have more respect for people if they just said we don't know...but seems when discussing this subject the burden of proof changes depending on who is being spoken about...

    Eg - if it's an American 'alleged' crime...then the burden of proof is lower...for some simply quoting a pro Russian source is proof of American guilt...

    Yet for Assad...everything pertaining to his possible crimes is propaganda...the fact that he has killed more civilians than anyone in this conflict is propaganda...UN and HRW reports on his use of nerve gas in 2013 is propaganda...in short no argument presented which goes against a predecided narrative will work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiyuo View Post
    Assad's tyrannical regime is far from being perfect but why would Assad even contemplate on using chemical attacks at this point of the War? He is currently winning the war and has won key battles in past few months. Plus, he isn't supposed to have any chemical weapons because Obama along with Russia's help, confiscated any chemical weapons his government possessed. This is very fishy and there needs to be UN investigation into all this.
    The accusations are flying back and forth.

    Remember 'Curveball'?

    Iraqi defector 'Curveball' admits WMD lies

    An Iraqi defector code-named "Curveball", whose statements convinced the CIA and the Bush administration that Iraq had secret biological weapons, has admitted for the first time that he lied.

    Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, who fled Iraq in 1995, confessed that he made up the stories of mobile bio-weapons trucks and clandestine factories in Iraq in an attempt to bring down Saddam Hussein's regime.

    The defector told The Guardian that he watched in horror as his claims were lapped up by the Bush administration and used to justify the invasion of the country in 2003.

    "Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," Mr al-Janabi said. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime.

    "I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."

    He claimed that American officials suggested that his co-operation would make it easier for his Moroccan-born wife and child to join him in Germany

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-WMD-lies.html
    Some are claiming that U.S. Intelligence has been duped again, this time resulting in the Trump administration doing a 180 degree turn in a matter of days, from indicating that the Assad regime could be allowed to remain in charge of Syria, to attacking them on the basis of this incident of the usage of chemical WMD's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Can you provide some quotes to back up this assertion that the US administration would be involved in replacing the secular Assad with a Taliban-ish/ISIS regime? I think such a mind boggling claim needs some substance if you are going to use it in a thread about the secular Assad using chemical weapons on civilians.
    There are some quotes in here abt possible assad removal for you to chew on ..

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/trump...-reversal.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Can you provide some quotes to back up this assertion that the US administration would be involved in replacing the secular Assad with a Taliban-ish/ISIS regime? I think such a mind boggling claim needs some substance if you are going to use it in a thread about the secular Assad using chemical weapons on civilians.
    Who else would take over Syria after Assad? The rebels are mostly Sunni Jihadis. Wahhabists/Saudis are salivating at the thought of Assad falling so they can grab the throne as their puppet state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The reports are all coming from respected news sites in the UK, the two I have linked to are The Times and The Guardian, both at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Are you saying British journalism is disreputable? As compared to who? Russian propaganda division?
    It's the Internet forum mentality I guess. Armchair geopoliticos who trust their gut instinct over respected and award-winning broadsheet publications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiyuo View Post
    Assad's tyrannical regime is far from being perfect but why would Assad even contemplate on using chemical attacks at this point of the War? He is currently winning the war and has won key battles in past few months. Plus, he isn't supposed to have any chemical weapons because Obama along with Russia's help, confiscated any chemical weapons his government possessed. This is very fishy and there needs to be UN investigation into all this.
    The UN as it happens confirmed that Assad was using chlorine attacks so gas attacks are nothing new...

    Also in 2013 it is alleged that Assad used sarin...which he of course denied...this is when he had to give up his huge stockpile of chemical weapons...whats to say he didnt hold some back...

    I find it bizarre how people think it odd for a guy whos possessed chemical weapons, used them...would use sarin gas again...apparently this makes less sense than the rebels only using sarin on themselves...

    Or the more ridiculous explanation which the Russians have given that the sarin was let off as a result of a bombing when all the science sources state that if you bomb sarin you destroy it...

    While i'm not for US unilateral action...bombing a potential chemical weapons site is fine...especially when compared to the coalitian actions such as those in Mosul most recently...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    There are some quotes in here abt possible assad removal for you to chew on ..

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/trump...-reversal.html
    I didn't see anything in there about replacing Assad with ISIS/Taliban-ish regime, that was your (frankly disgraceful) suggestion to which I objected. The comments are that the strike was retaliation for the nerve gas attack which killed civilians, images of infants lying dead on the street apparently being the trigger.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    The UN as it happens confirmed that Assad was using chlorine attacks so gas attacks are nothing new...

    Also in 2013 it is alleged that Assad used sarin...which he of course denied...this is when he had to give up his huge stockpile of chemical weapons...whats to say he didnt hold some back...

    I find it bizarre how people think it odd for a guy whos possessed chemical that if you bomb sarin you destroy it...

    While i'm not for US unilateral action...bombing a potential chemical weapons site is fine...especially when compared to the coalitian actions such as those in Mosul most recently...

    Could you please direct me to the report where UN stated that Assad using chlorine, Sarin or any other chemical weapon as I could not find such finding in UN's official report?

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    Note: Personally I consider UN a party in this crisis but this can be discussed in some forked discussion.

    re "whats to say he didnt hold some back..."
    if we have started imagining then I have a better possibility:

    - Assad returned/destroyed all reported and unreported chemical weapons.
    - UN+USA provided those and then some more to Rebels and during recent recapturing of rebel-held-areas by syrian army, Assad got his weapons back.
    - World was totally focused with joker-in-WH and Kim and Assad was feeling unloved so he used those chemical weapons on Rebel.

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    even if he was responsible for the attacks which he probably isn't americans and others have still killed plenty of syrian civillians. and assad is resisting an uprising in his own country, surely better than playing global police and going across the world to kill innocents like the United states


    How odd I can have all this inside me and to you it's just words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The reports are all coming from respected news sites in the UK, the two I have linked to are The Times and The Guardian, both at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Are you saying British journalism is disreputable? As compared to who? Russian propaganda division?
    - Politically opposite means zilch in this case. In USA, both Rep and Dem are supporting Trumps air strikes.
    - These "respected sites" are just reporting what they are being told by their govt. It would be great if these "respected" sites share the evidence with the public. Which is their main job.
    - If no evidence is not provided, should not these "respected" sources ought to challenge these "reports" considering it's their most vital role as being fifth pillar of democracy.

    Journalism based on state reports or leaked-reports-by-whistle-blowers is just lazy journalism.

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    False flag.. look at what the great Ron Paul has to say about all this.. truly a rose amongst thorns

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    Conspiracy theorists are out in full force I see with their fanciful ideas of false flags and govt fed media lies. The same PP regulars who were cheering the US for drone strikes on Pakistan turf are now claiming the US is on the side of ISIS by blaming Assad for the gas attacks. Maybe they should consider moving to Russia where they can read uncensored news to their hearts content provided by Sputnik media group.


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    I do think there are valid questions to ask about what the strategy is ...

    But agreed people love conspiracy theories ...I mean some people believe baghdati is Jewish lol ...

    What does appear to be true is that the rebels the West are supporting have dubious credentials ...

    In Libya there was support for both secular forces and islamist forces but with the Gulf involved its invariably the islamists who end up being more powerful ...

    The ideal is to have a leader who is pro-western, but not democratic, Sunni and anti Iranian ...

    Islamists provide that option but the thing is they end up going rogue and being ideologues ...

    The Russians and Iranians want to keep Assad in power for obvious reasons ...

    Neither side is interested in Syrian civilians ...

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    Instead of dismissing others by ridiculing them why not actually read the facts and make a proper unbiased opinion. Its like you dont realise people have been warring with eachother for thousands of years for power and money. It was the reason kings were successful and now it is the reason why countries are successful.
    Here is a quick extract from Clinton emails dating back to 2012:

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    Here is the full brief which was in Hilary's email:

    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
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    In Libya there was support for both secular forces and islamist forces but with the Gulf involved its invariably the islamists who end up being more powerful ...
    .
    You are wrong

    The active players from the Gulf have strongly backed the secular Haftar in Libya

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    Can someone explain to me in brief how the Syria crisis started and who is fighting who? Seems to be like a royal rumble out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The Russian/Assad lies exposed. The Guardian is considered a left wing newspaper in Britain, they would have no reason to distort the truth. This is a report from on the ground by their reporters.

    Shame on those who peddle propaganda on behalf of Russia and Assad while enjoying life in the west.
    So leftists are the guardians of truth? They would just distort it is a different direction.

    But yes, by-and-large I accept the word of British broadsheets. The Russian media is basically Putin's mouthpiece. Journalists who say otherwise get disappeared. Yet many young people on the left seem to give Putin a free pass! It's digitasl thinking - I am against my government, Putin is against my government, so Putin must be telling the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    So leftists are the guardians of truth? They would just distort it is a different direction.

    But yes, by-and-large I accept the word of British broadsheets. The Russian media is basically Putin's mouthpiece. Journalists who say otherwise get disappeared. Yet many young people on the left seem to give Putin a free pass! It's digitasl thinking - I am against my government, Putin is against my government, so Putin must be telling the truth.
    I already gave a subsequent qualification that reporters from both sides of the political spectrum have blamed the Syrian/Russian planes for the chemical attack. What I meant in this case was that the Guardian being a left wing publication would not be looking to distort the facts against Russia which at least formerly was a communist state.

    In general though I trust the British broadsheets ahead of Russian state propaganda. Not to say they aren't also manipulated by the govt, but at least there are independent reporters who can verify the reports.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I already gave a subsequent qualification that reporters from both sides of the political spectrum have blamed the Syrian/Russian planes for the chemical attack. What I meant in this case was that the Guardian being a left wing publication would not be looking to distort the facts against Russia which at least formerly was a communist state.
    Leftists hate Russia now since they are white, Christian, right wing and capitalists. The four greatest things liberals hate all rolled into one country. Plus now in their minds they think that they elected Trump, lol. Leftists have a bone to pick with Russia.

    Establishment Western press - everything from CNN, to NYT, to Guardian, AP and Reuters have shown that they've learned nothing from Iraq war, and all collectively parrot whatever US Government/CIA feeds them regarding the dictators West wants to topple in Mid-East.

    Assad has been a thorn in the bush. US has been trying to get rid of his government since the days of his father.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b2Nnj6mD0Y

    comes across well as usual.


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    Quote Originally Posted by majiz View Post
    Lol really?...he's pretty much suggesting that the whole incident could be a fabrication...he should at least have got his story to match the Russian version...

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    It transpires the US used missiles that were precision and not cratering. So the runway where the chemical attack supposedly took place is still intact, with the Russians being informed beforehand.

    The Syrian jets that were struck were non-operational. Syrian jets are still taking off from Shayrat airbase.

    The Russians get to waggle their finger at Trump while the Donald appears to be "tough" on Daddy Putin, distracting from the Russia investigations at home.

    Meanwhile Rex Tillerson, former CEO of ExxonMobil which had ties to the Russian oil business that's been crippled by international sanctions, goes to the Kremlin last week and the drama continues.

    Eventually, the US will lift the sanctions on Russia, Exxon proceeds with the joint venture with Rosneft that Putin has ties to, and Donald gets praised for being a "dealmaker".

    Civilian lives mean nothing in the sick games these governments are playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    It transpires the US used missiles that were precision and not cratering. So the runway where the chemical attack supposedly took place is still intact, with the Russians being informed beforehand.

    The Syrian jets that were struck were non-operational. Syrian jets are still taking off from Shayrat airbase.

    The Russians get to waggle their finger at Trump while the Donald appears to be "tough" on Daddy Putin, distracting from the Russia investigations at home.

    Meanwhile Rex Tillerson, former CEO of ExxonMobil which had ties to the Russian oil business that's been crippled by international sanctions, goes to the Kremlin last week and the drama continues.

    Eventually, the US will lift the sanctions on Russia, Exxon proceeds with the joint venture with Rosneft that Putin has ties to, and Donald gets praised for being a "dealmaker".

    Civilian lives mean nothing in the sick games these governments are playing.
    Sounds like a Pakistani Khaanspiracy theory as one of our esteemed members soon to be departed from his beloved home turf (within a week) would say.


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    ISIS bombed evacuation buses of Shia civilians, 80 children among killed.
    Not much outcry on PP.


    Russia and Syria hitting hard the rebels (even Nato killed several rebels in "friendly fire")

    and USA is totally focused on North Korea so dump media is, as expected, following the WH.

    And we are back to business as I stated few weeks back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    ISIS bombed evacuation buses of Shia civilians, 80 children among killed.
    Not much outcry on PP.


    Russia and Syria hitting hard the rebels (even Nato killed several rebels in "friendly fire")

    and USA is totally focused on North Korea so dump media is, as expected, following the WH.

    And we are back to business as I stated few weeks back.
    Generally there seems to be no outrage when IS kill civilians because they don't claim to be fighting a discriminate war ...

    With the rest they are criticised when they violate laws of war ...especially when they claim not to ...or in your boy Assads case deny incidents even took place ...

    What I do find off is the fact that Russian use of indiscriminate force is so much more acceptable to some than say American ...it shows that the use of indiscriminate force isn't an issue but the identity of the attacker ...

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    The actual ground situation exposed Assad/Russia's **. The time of events exposed Assad/Russia's **. How sarin is formed and what happens to it when it's blown up has exposed Assad/Russia's **. Not to mention Assad has used chemical weapons in the past even after 2013 plus only the Syrians and Russians operate in that airspace. All that might have amounted to something of a clue I would have thought?

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    Syria's Disappeared - The Case Against Assad

    The images of Syrian men, women and children killed in a chemical gas attack in April appalled the world, and led the United States to unleash an air strike on the Syrian regime. But as shocking as the use of these weapons is, it was just the latest act of brutality rained down on the citizens of Syria by the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

    "Too many people have been physically abused, too many people have been psychologically abused, too many people have died in detention of unnatural causes to say that there's anything else but a widespread and indeed systematic practice of abuse." War Crimes Investigator

    Now, international pressure is rising for Assad and his regime to be held to account for years of atrocities. In a secret location in Europe, war crimes investigators have been building a criminal case against the Syrian regime.

    "We're trying to lay the foundations for a prosecution along the Nuremberg lines, where prosecutors can lead with heavy, heavy irrefutable documentary material." War Crimes Investigator

    Using a cache of more than 600-thousand smuggled documents, investigators have been piecing together evidence of what has happened to the thousands of Syrians who have been killed, tortured or "disappeared" at the hands of the Assad government.

    "We didn't set out to build a case against President Assad or any other individual, we went where the documents took us." War Crimes Investigator

    Investigators have amassed a vast trove of evidence, including thousands of photographs smuggled out by a regime defector.

    "They were actually numbering, indexing, photographing, building files on the people they tortured to death in total violation of international law, of their own laws, and were keeping meticulous records of it." Former US Ambassador

    The investigators have also interviewed hundreds of people whose names appear on arrest lists and interrogation notes, along with survivors, former prisoners and family members of Assad's victims, who say they want the perpetrators brought before a court.

    "I will not rest until I take them to court and get justice. Justice for me and my friends who they killed. Even if it costs me my life. I will pursue them and I will bring them to justice no matter what." Former Prisoner

    Now, the war crimes investigators believe they have the evidence needed.

    "We're talking about the security services, we're talking about state security, we're talking about military security, we're talking about Air Force Intelligence, within the chain of command, official forces...This is the clearest case that I've ever seen." Former US Ambassador

    This powerful film shines a light on the barbarism of the Syrian regime at a time when the future of President Assad is being argued over by the world's most powerful nations.


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    Another gas attack in Syria.

    Aid workers and local medics have described apocalyptic scenes in the besieged city of Douma, the site of a chemical attack that has killed at least 42 people, as they scrambled to save the survivors of the latest atrocity in Syria.

    Doctors, nurses and rescuers say they found themselves battling to save people who arrived from 7.45pm on Saturday bearing symptoms of a possible toxic gas attack, without medical equipment or supplies to ease their suffering.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hemical-attack

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    A Syrian military airport was hit with deadly missile strikes, state media reported on Monday after the United States and France warned of a strong response to “horrific chemical weapons attacks” on a rebel-held region near Damascus.

    A Syrian war-monitoring group said 14 people, including Iranians, were killed in the missile attack early in the morning.

    Rami Abdurrahman, who heads the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said most of the 14 killed were either Iranians or members of Iran-backed groups.

    Washington denied responsibility for the strike on Syria's central Tayfur air base, which came just hours ahead of an urgent UN meeting on Monday over the reported use of toxic gas on the town of Douma.

    US President Donald Trump and his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron spoke by phone and vowed a “strong, joint response” to the suspected chemical attack that killed dozens, the White House said on Sunday.

    It added that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad “must be held accountable for its continued human rights abuses.”

    Trump had earlier taken to Twitter to issue a blistering warning to the Syrian regime and its allies. “Many dead, including women and children, in a mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria,” Trump wrote, lashing out at Russia's Vladimir Putin, a key ally of the regime.

    “President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price to pay,” he said.

    Damascus and its allies have denounced the accusations, with the Syrian regime brushing them off as an “unconvincing broken record”.

    Russia's foreign ministry called the latest reports of a chemical attack a provocation. “A military intervention under far-fetched and fabricated pretexts in Syria, where there are Russian soldiers at the request of the legitimate Syrian government, is absolutely unacceptable and could have the direst consequences,” it said.

    Syrian state news agency SANA said early on Monday that “several missiles” had hit the Tayfur airport, later adding that there were “dead and wounded” in the strike, without giving exact casualty numbers.

    SANA first said the missile strike on the Tayfur base was a “suspected US attack,” but later withdrew all reference to America.

    The Pentagon denied it was behind the Syria raid. A military spokeswoman for Israel, which has bombed Syrian government positions including those linked to chemical weapons, declined to comment on Monday.

    Regime forces, backed by Russia, have pounded Eastern Ghouta in a seven-week assault to dislodged rebel fighters, killing more than 1,700 civilians and prompting tens of thousands to flee.

    Late on Saturday, Syria's White Helmets, who act as first responders in opposition-held areas of Syria, said that “poisonous chlorine gas” was used on Douma — the last sliver of territory held by rebels.

    'Bodies in the streets'

    In a joint statement with the Syrian American Medical Society, the White Helmets has said more than 500 cases were brought to medical centres “with symptoms indicative of exposure to a chemical agent.”

    It said six died while being treated, and rescuers found 42 more people dead in their homes with similar conditions.

    Footage posted online by the White Helmets, which it was not possible to verify, showed victims with yellowed skin crumpled on the ground and foaming at the mouth. “The scene was horrifying. So many people were choking, so many people,” White Helmets member Firas al-Doumi told AFP from inside Douma.

    A member of the Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC) inside the town said volunteers were still trying their best despite the organisation's Douma branch being out of operation.

    “This morning, we drove around and found bodies lying in the streets. We took four trips to bring the corpses back, each with three or five dead,” the SARC member told AFP.

    The reports prompted international anger, with UN chief Antonio Guterres saying any confirmed use of chemical weapons would be “abhorrent”. The European Union said “the evidence points towards yet another chemical attack by the regime”, while opposition ally Turkey stated it had a “strong suspicion” Assad was to blame.

    But key backer Iran came to Assad's defence, saying the allegations were a Western conspiracy and echoing Russia's warning against foreign military action.

    Evacuation within 48 hours

    Since February 18, Syrian and Russian forces have waged a fierce military onslaught and negotiated two withdrawals to retake control of 95 per cent of Ghouta.

    Agreements, brokered by Moscow last month, saw more than 46,000 rebels and civilians bussed to opposition-held northwest Syria, and a preliminary deal saw hundreds of civilians and rebels from Jaish al-Islam quit Douma last week.

    After days of talks and a respite from bombing, negotiations collapsed and strikes resumed on Friday, killing nearly 100 people, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

    On Sunday, state media announced a deal was agreed for Jaish al-Islam to leave Douma within 48 hours and release hostages it was holding.

    Russia's military said it had hammered out an agreement for a “ceasefire, the disarmament of this armed group and resumption of the operation for the withdrawal of fighters”.

    Moscow said all military operations around Douma had now halted and that 100 buses had arrived in the town to help start ferrying out some 8,000 fighters and 40,000 of their family members.

    It said the move proved “no chemical weapons were used in this area”. Jaish al-Islam did not confirm the deal, but a civilian committee from Douma participating in the talks said a “final agreement” was reached for rebels to leave.

    Ghouta was among the areas hit in a 2013 sarin gas attack blamed on Syria's government.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1400539/de...france-warning


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    The U.S is certain to launch military air strikes in the next 24 hours, possibly Tonight.


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