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    Selecting the "right batting order" seems to be our perennial problem in ODIs

    Albert Einstein famously said, "If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live it's life feeling its dumb"

    It's one thing not having the right resources and talent to be a consistently good team, but it's another thing not using the resources that you have for them to have an optimum effect on the team. The former is often outside your control but the later is absolutely criminal!

    And the Pakistan think-tank is often guilty of letting go of games just because they don't utilize their resources properly. Now, while I understand that this is a matter of perspective and what I think is right may not be right in another person's eyes, let me try to attempt to justify this by using some statistics.

    Babar Azam - in a One Day game, the number 3 position is probably THE most important position. Thats where you dictate play from . . thats the batsman that sets the tone for the innings. Babar has gotten 4 centuries and an 80 odd (1 century in Australia and 80 also in australia) playing at that crucial number 3 position in his last 8 innings there. Most Pakistani fans agree, that after a very long time we have a batting talent that we could be excited about. After a very long time, we have someone who could be a long term number 3 and could be a real gem for Pakistan. And what do you do?! you fiddle with his position . . you move him down . . expect him to do something that he is not " that " good at .. coming in and playing at a 120 strike rate from the get go isn't his game! it hurts him . . and it hurts us! I am not saying that he shouldn't be flexible enough to adapt . . but why fiddle with his position, when you know his best output is at number 3 . . and he has proved it!

    Sarfaraz Ahmed - I don't know how many of you know but he has the least dot ball percentage in our entire batting line up. That's his game . . he is not a big striker! I know it . . you know it . . everyone knows it! It's not his game! But again, going back to what I said earlier . . we can't judge him by his ability to hit big! He is the best accumulator we have in the side . . he is the best at playing risk free cricket and maintaining a strike rate of over 90 throughout his innings . . that's his game and that's when he will give you the most valuable runs! In the last 1 year, he has a batting average in ODI cricket of 63!!!! at a strike rate of 95!!! . . He has been at his best when he has batted at 5 . . and what do we do?! we drop him down to 6!! (or should I say he himself dropped him down to 6) . . . How does that make any sense?! He has to bat at either 4 or 5 . . thats when he will give the most benefit to Pakistan cricket team! So rather than judging him on his ability to hit big, the think tank should realize what he's best at and make use of that to benefit the team the most!

    Shoaib Malik - similar story . . Everytime we have sent him down the order, he fails . . because again, it his not his game to come in and start smacking it from the get go . . however, unlike Babar and Sarfaraz, Shoaib does have the game to amp it up when he is set . . and especially dominate the spinners . . He has played exceptionally well in the number 4/5 position . . thats where he needs to be! stop moving him around so much . . Ever since his come back, he is averaging 56 at 103 strike rate In fact, I would even send sarfaraz at 4 and shoaib at 5 just because shoaib is more adept at the power game . . but regardless . . shoaib and sarfaraz should be 4 and 5!!

    Imad Wasim - Again, not a power player . . I have seen him play some very good innings though . . he plays with a straight bat and is a very decent batsman . . his performances in england are testament to that where he was super consistent because he got time in the middle! By that logic, we should use him at number 6, where he still has a bit of time . . we are again judging him by his ability to come in and add a quick 30 of 10 balls . . he isn't the batsman for that! he isn't an Afridi . . so either he is good enough to bat for you at number 6, or he is good enough to play as ONLY a bowler . . you will not extract his all round ability by having him bat at 7 or below . . so for me again, another case of not using him efficiently . .

    the last point, I want to make is that you definitely do not change your batting order to accommodate other people . . I don't care whether it's Hafeez or whoever else . . Your batting order stays the same and you play people who give you the best result at the number they are most likely to give you the best result . . you don't bring hafeez into the team and change everything around just to fit him in . . Hafeez only comes in, if he is good enough to play at the open spots . . which are either opening or number 6 . . if you think he isn't good enough to perform at those position, then he shouldn't be in the team at all! But you absolutely can not change everything around just to have him at 3

    Contrary to what a lot of PPer's think, ODI games are not won by your ability to hit big all the time . . today, they are won by your ability to maintain a 100 strike rate while playing risk free cricket. Let's take yesterday as an example . . if we had Sarfaraz playing instead of Hafeez in the middle . . while hafeez was 30 of 55 balls, Sarfaraz would have been 50 of 55 . . and that would have made a world of difference

    I understand we don't have power hitters today . . I understand we have issues with our team . . but I am convinced that we are not using the resources that we do have in the best way . . and that hinders our ability even more! You gotta get the best out of what you've got! We simply don't . . and this mistake is criminal!

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    Good post.

    Whenever Sarfraz has played in the top 4-5 he has batted well as any.

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    Thank god someone noticed, everybody blames it on "too many accumulators" but every teams batting order has these types of batsmen from 3 to 5, 6 is where the power game really comes in. It's not the players, it's the utilization of the players. Remember when Sarfraz came out at ;like 5-3 vs England and scored a century? and when he scored a quick 90 at #4 or 5 like 2 games later? Sarfraz is clearly a middle order batsmen even a 10 year old can understand that but why can't they??

    Order should be:

    Kakmal
    Shehzad
    Babar
    Sarfraz
    Malik

    No Hafeez please
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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Thank god someone noticed, everybody blames it on "too many accumulators" but every teams batting order has these types of batsmen from 3 to 5, 6 is where the power game really comes in. It's not the players, it's the utilization of the players. Remember when Sarfraz came out at ;like 5-3 vs England and scored a century? and when he scored a quick 90 at #4 or 5 like 2 games later? Sarfraz is clearly a middle order batsmen even a 10 year old can understand that but why can't they??

    Order should be:

    Kakmal
    Shehzad
    Babar
    Sarfraz
    Malik

    No Hafeez please
    I agree that, that needs to be our 3, 4, 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by NauV View Post
    I agree that, that needs to be our 3, 4, 5
    Absolutely. Sarfraz at 4 is a must. He is wasted down the order. In England he prospered at no 4. We have two dot ball specialists in Shehzad and Hafeez in our batting order and we should play one of them at the top of the order. WI have three left handers in their batting order the brings Hafeez in the equation. So Hafeez for Shehzad as an opener and one between Zakir and Zaman in the middle order. I may also play Asghar/Ashraf for Imad

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    Excellent thread.

    The Babar Azam issue is simply this. We think he is capable of more and the management want him to rise up to the challenge and deliver.


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    Very good thread. Sarfraz needs to start batting higher up the order and hopefully Shadab can replace him for the 5/6 spot soon.

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    As long as hafeez is there nothing and no one else matter


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    Good thread. I was starting to worry that perhaps no one else saw this but it's good to at least see that people are aware of the best positions.

    Now, I wonder how long before the team management realise.

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    Since MOYO & INZI left the batting order always chopped and changes .... Waqar was the most frequent changer of batting order, now MICKEY is taking care of that job and trying to beat Waqar..

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    With the current options that we have this should be our lineup for champions trophy :

    1. Akmal
    2. Shehzad
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Sarfaraz
    5. Malik
    6. Talat Hussain
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Imad Wasim
    9. Sohail Khan
    10. Amir
    11. Hassan Ali

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    Every other country tries to play there best players up the order, whilst in Pakistan they just put every player in the wrong order.

    We have a player with strike rotation, what do we do? Move our best player at rotating strike into a finishing role. We move our best player down the order for a 36 year old who is a choker and failure on any pitch that supports fast bowlers.

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    It might take a few more losses for the Pakistani team to realize this. Hopefully before the CT.


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    No, you just don't get it.

    This is the 90s mentality that's like plague for our poor minnow level cricket.

    You can have only 2 dynamic strike rotators in the middle. Notice DYNAMIC. When the time comes they MUST be able to accelerate too when not singling doubling.

    For us, that's Babar Azam at 3. Now, ONLY ONE OTHER spot left. Number 4.

    Who will you play at 4? We have nothing but useless accumulators. Sarfraz, Malik, Imad, Fawad Alam. Ideally, you will never have these 3 in a modern lineup. India will NEVER put any such batsman at number 4 or 5 because they cannot up the ante.

    Since we're stuck with Sarfraz, take the bitter pill and play him at 4.

    That's it. Kick out any player who cannot strike the ball vs pace bowling at 5, 6 and 7 positions.

    Only then Pak s fortunes will change. Keep playing limited accumulators at 4,5,6,7 and you'll always have to play with associates to quality for ICC events.

    If you still didn't get it, the case is hopeless just like PCB and our coaches. @Pete Rose
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    Agreed,Babar should bat at 3 and Sarfraz at either 4 or 5,both were tremendous on these positions last year and it is hard to understand why their batting positions has been changed for TTFs like M Hafeez.

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    potw.

    Well as far as I am concerned, i would like to have babar at 1,2. And then malik at 3. Sarfi at 4. If we have them play more overs.pak will surely be frequently achieving 300. After them you can have 35-40 averaging power hitters or dynamic batsmen for 5,6.

    But again, you don't fix what is not broken. That babar at 3 and others going one number down with 6 to inconsistent power hitters.

    Basically mickey and pak mentally is very defensive.this isnwhat is hurting too

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    Here are few weakness that I can point -

    1. Amir isn't a finisher, but he is among the best pacers available - should be to use him in first 35 overs to get wickets, preferably 6 overs with new ball.
    2. Wahab isn't an ODI bowler - should be replaced by a younger pacer. May be JK, Raees or a new pacer; Sohail is too old to invest
    3. Hasan isn't a new ball pacer - too short to use the new ball. But, he is quite handy with old ball - should be groomed to bowl 6 overs out of last 15.
    4. Imad isn't an ODI bowler - doesn't posses any wicket taking threat. Should be replaced by genuine spinner or a 4th seemer, based on condition

    5. Sarfraz isn't a batsman to bat below 5 - should bat at 4. He isn't fit for ODI Captaincy either, but that's decided, no point discussing why.
    6. 6 right-handers in top 7 isn't a good idea. Must find couple of lefti - one to open & one to bat at 6.
    7. Kamran is too old (& fat) to invest for ODI. He can play T20, but should be replaced by a left-hander
    8. MoHa has no place in the team. Statistically, he'll always look decent because people compares stats vs stats, not stats vs context. Before his glory days in Asia, he had a career stats of 18/58 or so - no it's like 29/75 - I'll take his previous stats accumulated in a time when 245/9 could have been match winner - he is that poor these days.

    My XI will be
    1. Ahmed (or another right hander)
    2. Talat (or another lefti)
    3. Babar
    4. Sarfraz
    5. Malik
    6. Saad Ali (Or another lefti)
    7. Shadab
    8. Amir
    9. Hasan
    10. Specialist new ball pacer
    11. Specialist spinner or pace bowling all-rounder

    If he is fit, Haris can come in position of Saad Ali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Here are few weakness that I can point -

    1. Amir isn't a finisher, but he is among the best pacers available - should be to use him in first 35 overs to get wickets, preferably 6 overs with new ball.
    2. Wahab isn't an ODI bowler - should be replaced by a younger pacer. May be JK, Raees or a new pacer; Sohail is too old to invest
    3. Hasan isn't a new ball pacer - too short to use the new ball. But, he is quite handy with old ball - should be groomed to bowl 6 overs out of last 15.
    4. Imad isn't an ODI bowler - doesn't posses any wicket taking threat. Should be replaced by genuine spinner or a 4th seemer, based on condition

    5. Sarfraz isn't a batsman to bat below 5 - should bat at 4. He isn't fit for ODI Captaincy either, but that's decided, no point discussing why.
    6. 6 right-handers in top 7 isn't a good idea. Must find couple of lefti - one to open & one to bat at 6.
    7. Kamran is too old (& fat) to invest for ODI. He can play T20, but should be replaced by a left-hander
    8. MoHa has no place in the team. Statistically, he'll always look decent because people compares stats vs stats, not stats vs context. Before his glory days in Asia, he had a career stats of 18/58 or so - no it's like 29/75 - I'll take his previous stats accumulated in a time when 245/9 could have been match winner - he is that poor these days.

    My XI will be
    1. Ahmed (or another right hander)
    2. Talat (or another lefti)
    3. Babar
    4. Sarfraz
    5. Malik
    6. Saad Ali (Or another lefti)
    7. Shadab
    8. Amir
    9. Hasan
    10. Specialist new ball pacer
    11. Specialist spinner or pace bowling all-rounder

    If he is fit, Haris can come in position of Saad Ali.

    Harris isn't a number 6 though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Harris isn't a number 6 though
    Make him open & play Saad at 6. Idea is to have left hander in top 3 & another one in next 3. He can play at 3 as well, but that'll need Babar to open with Ahmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamer View Post
    With the current options that we have this should be our lineup for champions trophy :

    1. Akmal
    2. Shehzad
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Sarfaraz
    5. Malik
    6. Talat Hussain
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Imad Wasim
    9. Sohail Khan
    10. Amir
    11. Hassan Ali
    This is the most perfect lineup we can have, we just need to replace shehzad with fakhar ( i know he is a hack but 20 ball 30 is much much better than 40 off 60 balls)..PAB save your own grace pls
    WE as fans cannot support the stupid team you make every match

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    No, you just don't get it.

    This is the 90s mentality that's like plague for our poor minnow level cricket.

    You can have only 2 dynamic strike rotators in the middle. Notice DYNAMIC. When the time comes they MUST be able to accelerate too when not singling doubling.

    For us, that's Babar Azam at 3. Now, ONLY ONE OTHER spot left. Number 4.

    Who will you play at 4? We have nothing but useless accumulators. Sarfraz, Malik, Imad, Fawad Alam. Ideally, you will never have these 3 in a modern lineup. India will NEVER put any such batsman at number 4 or 5 because they cannot up the ante.

    Since we're stuck with Sarfraz, take the bitter pill and play him at 4.

    That's it. Kick out any player who cannot strike the ball vs pace bowling at 5, 6 and 7 positions.

    Only then Pak s fortunes will change. Keep playing limited accumulators at 4,5,6,7 and you'll always have to play with associates to quality for ICC events.

    If you still didn't get it, the case is hopeless just like PCB and our coaches. @Pete Rose
    The ONLY way you can hide three accumulators in the line up is if you have two aggressive openers. And that's just not going to happen. But I agree with the gist, it's fantasy to expect that rejigging this batting order will solve the problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Make him open & play Saad at 6. Idea is to have left hander in top 3 & another one in next 3. He can play at 3 as well, but that'll need Babar to open with Ahmed.
    Is Saad a number 6? Harris opening isn't a bad idea but I think he will bat at 3 or 4 if selected . Pakistan think tank don't have the brains to play him as an opener. Well maybe Mickey does.

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    Sarfraz is playing with his carrer ..... best at 4 or 5 . he was doing well in last few series . dont know what happned to him he dropped himself so low .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    The ONLY way you can hide three accumulators in the line up is if you have two aggressive openers. And that's just not going to happen. But I agree with the gist, it's fantasy to expect that rejigging this batting order will solve the problems
    You missed the point of the whole thread then. I mentioned that we have a huge resource gap . . and contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, we do not have resources available in the domestic circuit to fill that gap. Faysal Bank T20, PSL and Pakistan One Day cup prove that.

    The point of this thread is, that it is important for us as a team to utilize the resources that we do have in a spot where we can best utilize them. And just to quote one point from the thread, Sarfaraz Ahmed at number 7 is a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NauV View Post
    You missed the point of the whole thread then. I mentioned that we have a huge resource gap . . and contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, we do not have resources available in the domestic circuit to fill that gap. Faysal Bank T20, PSL and Pakistan One Day cup prove that.

    The point of this thread is, that it is important for us as a team to utilize the resources that we do have in a spot where we can best utilize them. And just to quote one point from the thread, Sarfaraz Ahmed at number 7 is a waste.
    yes. thats all wrong. the assumption that we dont have ppl in domestic to try out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    yes. thats all wrong. the assumption that we dont have ppl in domestic to try out.
    Sir, it is not an assumption. You have all the right to differ . . but from what I have watched, we have nobody who can come and do a better job than who all are playing in the team right now. As an eternal optimist, I hope I am proved wrong!

    However, the point of the thread again was not whats on the bench. The point was, that we are not making optimal use of what is available to us.

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    1.Akmal(Till Sharjeel comes back, no other option left)
    2.Shehzad(same, no option left)
    3.Babar
    4.Malik
    5.Sarfraz
    6.Hussain
    7.Shadab
    8.Fahim(Won't be doing any worse than Wahab, with added batting). Fahim and Tallat to bowl 10 overs.
    9.Amir
    10.Hassan/Junaid
    11.Asghar

    Imad adds neither batting depth nor attacking bowling option

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    Quote Originally Posted by NauV View Post
    Sir, it is not an assumption. You have all the right to differ . . but from what I have watched, we have nobody who can come and do a better job than who all are playing in the team right now. As an eternal optimist, I hope I am proved wrong!

    However, the point of the thread again was not whats on the bench. The point was, that we are not making optimal use of what is available to us.
    Sure, I read it and differed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NauV View Post
    Sir, it is not an assumption. You have all the right to differ . . but from what I have watched, we have nobody who can come and do a better job than who all are playing in the team right now. As an eternal optimist, I hope I am proved wrong!

    However, the point of the thread again was not whats on the bench. The point was, that we are not making optimal use of what is available to us.
    For the first part of your post, I actually don't agree - you can only know what's there and what's not when you give enough chances.

    I give you a classic example - the general myth is that during Imran's era PAK's streets were full of talents & he plucked one by one at his wish, which is utter rubbish. These sort of dummy are sold by people who actually don't know much. What Imran did was in every tour, out of 16 players, he'll pick at least 2, if not 4 totally unknown & genuine youngster (not by certificate age) in his squad & give them matches. It's not about how good a kid is, rather it's a process that 2/3 spots in the squad is fixed for U19 players, even in playing XI - which these days unfortunately is kept for 40 years old.

    We talk about the sterling names brought or groomed by Imran because most people knows only those names. I can name st least 3 times players who were brought at 16/18/19 - given couple of matches/series & they perished thereafter. When the domestick system isn't perfect, that's probably the only way to move I guess. Imran played Zahed Fazal in a Sharjah Final against India at 3, when he was officially 17, dropping Salim Malik at 5 - Sarfu played MoHa at 3, dropping Babar at 4, this can't be lack of talent only.

    In current context, the same can be done in WI tour as well. Players with 20 years experience will cash on soft teams, no surprise in that - surprise is when politics plays its role & few seniors are given opportunities to cash in soft stats. I can tell you in with current set of players, 30 years back this squad of 16 would have 3 players on top of what are there - 1 of the batsmen from Talat, Saud, Zeeshan, Badar, Saad; at least one pacer from U21 age & probably that U19 WK as understudy of Sarfraz; no spinner since there are 2 already - at whose expense, I won't name. And couple would have made the playing XI as well. If you don't believe me - check by whom Majid, Zaheer, Mudassar or Mohsin were replaced - and what was respective age of both parties. It's not about how good who is - it's about protecting youngsters, who are the future.

    I gave another example - with Indian selectors having 10-12 times more options, yet SS Iyer would have played his 1st Test in 29 months of FC career, in a series decider at the spot of Virat Kohli, had India gone for 6 batsmen - bring Inzi & his dynamic team, they would have called back Rohit or Dhawan; if not Gambhir or UV. Same I can say that, 6 ODI back, Kayes had a stunning 107 against Poms, but he won't make the playing XI if Mosaddek, Soumya & Sabbir are available.

    Bringing young players in the team is a process, not luck of having talent.


    For your 2nd part, we can't discuss much because the fundamental problem isn't order, rather as long as MoHa keeps trolling in this XI, you can't do much - they put him at 3, which was icing on the cake though.
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    The ideal batting order for Pakistan in ODI games

    Sarfraz at number 6 is not using his full potential , i believe that he can score big if he plays in the top 4 especially at number 4. Mohammad hafeez though has taken this spot but we know when push comes to shove he falters. In my opinion one of hafeez or sarfraz should open with the other opener , preferably hafeez.


    I think yamin should be a part of ODI team now.

    Imad , yamin and shadab , all can bat. At 6 , 7 and 8 we should have yamin , imad and shadab respectively.

    Hafeez
    2nd opener
    Babar
    Sarfraz
    Malik
    Yamin
    Imad
    Shadab
    Hasan
    Amir
    Number 11.


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    i am not sure that both hafeez and shehzad should play in the same team. this version of shehzad is just a selfish player who has no ability and interest in attacking the opening bowlers and resorts to some big hits against the spinners. not an opener basically. one of them should play and since hafeez also bowls a bit, i will have to go with him.

    kami is going to be played because senior player so whatever. i am pretty sure he will drop a crucial catch in an important match that will eventually bite us back but then we need to give confidence to senior players and winning and losing is just part of life so what if we lose a lot and remain number 8/9.

    i will not be happy with this team but of all the horrible combinations we have, this is the least of all evils in my head

    1. akmal k.
    2. hafeez
    3. babar
    4. malik
    5. sarfraz
    6. yamin
    7. imad
    8. shadab
    9. sohail k.
    a. hasan
    b. amir

    i am not sure about amir and wahab as well but at least in them we have two players who have some sort of ability to stand up to pressure. sohail is good with the new ball and should be used in champions trophy. if amir does not do well, he may be replaced with wahab and hasan and sohail can take the new balls.

    the batting is horribly soft but adding shahzad only makes it weaker. maybe if haris gets his mojo back, we can drop one of the bowlers and put him in but then again, it will only add an accumulator.

    i have no hope in umar akmal at the moment. feel his head is not in cricket anymore. umar amin is also someone that i like but not sure if he is going to get any chance. i pray to god that they do not get salman butt in the team for more experience because oh my god that will make pakistan batting so dull that watching paint dry would be 10x the fun.


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    Agree with the basis of OP's team but he has too many all-rounders and too many spin-bowling all rounders in particular. Not what you want when you are grouped with India and Sri Lanka and playing in England. Here is my team and I see no weaknesses in design:

    1) Mohammad Hafeez
    2) Fakhar Zaman
    3) Babar Azam
    4) Sarfaraz Ahmed
    5) Shoaib Malik
    6) Umar Akmal/Umar Amin/Any reliable #6 batsman
    7) Imad Wasim/Shadab Khan/Aamir Yamin
    8) Mohammad Amir
    9) Wabah Riaz
    10) Junaid Khan
    11) Hassan Ali

    Six proper batsmen, one all-rounder and preferably one that is a better batsman than bowler and then our four, specialist pace bowlers who will make life very difficult for India and Sri Lanka and can catch South Africa off-guard as well. Hafeez and Malik can cover for any bowler who is having an off-day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    i am not sure that both hafeez and shehzad should play in the same team. this version of shehzad is just a selfish player who has no ability and interest in attacking the opening bowlers and resorts to some big hits against the spinners. not an opener basically. one of them should play and since hafeez also bowls a bit, i will have to go with him.

    kami is going to be played because senior player so whatever. i am pretty sure he will drop a crucial catch in an important match that will eventually bite us back but then we need to give confidence to senior players and winning and losing is just part of life so what if we lose a lot and remain number 8/9.

    i will not be happy with this team but of all the horrible combinations we have, this is the least of all evils in my head

    1. akmal k.
    2. hafeez
    3. babar
    4. malik
    5. sarfraz
    6. yamin
    7. imad
    8. shadab
    9. sohail k.
    a. hasan
    b. amir

    i am not sure about amir and wahab as well but at least in them we have two players who have some sort of ability to stand up to pressure. sohail is good with the new ball and should be used in champions trophy. if amir does not do well, he may be replaced with wahab and hasan and sohail can take the new balls.

    the batting is horribly soft but adding shahzad only makes it weaker. maybe if haris gets his mojo back, we can drop one of the bowlers and put him in but then again, it will only add an accumulator.

    i have no hope in umar akmal at the moment. feel his head is not in cricket anymore. umar amin is also someone that i like but not sure if he is going to get any chance. i pray to god that they do not get salman butt in the team for more experience because oh my god that will make pakistan batting so dull that watching paint dry would be 10x the fun.
    Sarfraz has to go before Malik, at 4, will accumulate faster. Shadab ahead of Imad, depending on the match situation. He is more inventive judging by his PSL batting, can play nearly 360 degrees and I think has more potential upside. Imad does not go big well enough and can also get bogged down rotating. Openers are disaster, I would not mind try opening with Yamin. It is really important that it is drummed into their numbnut heads that playing for one's average is not an option. They have a very specific role to play. If they don't score fast in the first 10 they are out.

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    Since Hafeez is the first name on the team sheet.
    Why not let him open again.
    Could do what Shezad does with the added bonus of bowling.

    Bring Umar Amin in to open with him.


    1-Hafeez
    2-Amin
    3-Babar
    4-Sarfraz C/Wk
    5-Malik
    6-Talat
    7-Imad
    8-Yamin
    9-Shadab
    10-Amir
    11-Hasan

    12-Haris
    13-Asghar
    14-Ehsan Adil
    15-Wahab

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    all i know is the middle order should be:

    3. Babar
    4. Sarfraz
    5. Malik


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    exactly hafeez should open that ll open no 4 place and thats ideal for sarfaraz


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    M Hafeez should open and Sarfraz should play at No. 4/5

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Sarfraz at number 6 is not using his full potential , i believe that he can score big if he plays in the top 4 especially at number 4. Mohammad hafeez though has taken this spot but we know when push comes to shove he falters. In my opinion one of hafeez or sarfraz should open with the other opener , preferably hafeez.


    I think yamin should be a part of ODI team now.

    Imad , yamin and shadab , all can bat. At 6 , 7 and 8 we should have yamin , imad and shadab respectively.

    Hafeez
    2nd opener
    Babar
    Sarfraz
    Malik
    Yamin
    Imad
    Shadab
    Hasan
    Amir
    Number 11.
    This team has 8 bowling options, so we should play a specialist batsman rather than too many all rounders.

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    My XI if Hafeez is going to play it's better he opens for the team

    1) Muhammad Hafeez
    2) Kamran Akmal
    3) Babar Azam
    4) Sarfaraz Ahmed
    5) Shoaib Malik
    6) Umar Amin
    7) Imad Wasim
    8) Shadab Khan
    9) Aamir Yamin
    10) Muhammad Aamer
    11) Hasan Ali

    12) Muhammad Asghar
    13) Wahab Riaz
    14) Sohail Khan (He knows english conditions well)
    15) Hussain Talat
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    Hafeez is a better batsman than Malik, and a great utility allrounder too, so I'd replace Malik with him.

    Gives balance to xi.

    1. Umar Amin
    2. Hitter opener
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Sarfraz
    5. Hafeez
    6. Umar Akmal/Talat/accelerator vs pace.
    7. Shadab/hitter allrounder
    8. Amir
    9. Sohail
    10. Hasan Ali
    11. Wahab?

    Play this and win CT.


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    2.Fakhar Zaman
    3.Babar Azam
    4.Shoaib Malik
    5.Sarfraz Ahmed (C+WK)
    6.Umer Akmal
    7.Aamir Yamin
    8.Shahdab Khan/Imad Wasim
    9.Mohammad Aamir
    10.Hasan Ali
    11.Wahab Riaz/Sohail Khan

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    Openers are a problem. Imad and Shadab are batting too low.


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    What the team for CT needs to look like imo:

    1. Shehzad/Zaman
    2. Akmal/Zaman
    3. Babar
    4. Sarfraz
    5. Malik
    6. Imad/ Hafeez
    7. Aamir Yameen
    8. Shadab
    9. Amir
    10. Wahab/Junaid
    11. Hasan

    Bench: Husain Talat

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    Ahmad shahzad
    Hafeez
    Babar
    Sarfraz
    Shoaib
    Umar akmal
    Imad
    and so on.....

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    Heard that Umar Akmal and Azhar Ali will be part of the Champions trophy squad.

    Anyhow they are going to retain kamran, shehzad , wahab, hafeez, ... so adding two more names in UA and Azhar for asif and zaman may be...the squad pretty much will be like this

    Azhar, kamran, shehzad, hafeez, babar, UA, Malik, Sarfraz, imad , shadab, wahab, amir, hasan ali, junaid khan, asghar

    Whatever batting order they use, this team gonna fail 5/5 times against top sides so doesnt matter what the batting order is..


    shouldnt think about Umar amin, haris sohail, zaman, aamer yamin...

    what can we expect from MICKEY and INZI...just say all the best and sign off.

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    Fakhar Zaman
    M Hafeez
    Babar Azam
    Haris Sohail
    Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(WK)
    Shoaib Malik
    Imad Wasim
    Shadab Khan
    Sohail Khan
    Mohammed Amir
    Hasan Ali

    Bench:
    Ahmed Shehzad/Kamran Akmal
    Umar Amin
    Umar Akmal
    Amir Yamin
    Junaid Khan

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    this is a great thread because it captures the crappy management of the team versus the passionate fans who call out the crap being put out.

    we, the passionate fans, are following matches and want pakistan to win; i believe even casual fans can tell that if this team goes to CT then we will lose. the players selected and their roles in the team needs to be well defined which is clearly lacking!

    Sarfraz is batting too low; both shehzad and akmal cant be persisted as openers; hafeez should open - all these suggestions are good and based on passionate fans observations which continue to be ignored by Mickey and company.

    Need to get it right or else continue to languish at #8 / #9 ODI ranking with all our comeback kings and 'too talented to be dropped' players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    Fakhar Zaman
    M Hafeez
    Babar Azam
    Haris Sohail
    Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(WK)
    Shoaib Malik
    Imad Wasim
    Shadab Khan
    Sohail Khan
    Mohammed Amir
    Hasan Ali

    Bench:
    Ahmed Shehzad/Kamran Akmal
    Umar Amin
    Umar Akmal
    Amir Yamin
    Junaid Khan
    A briliant team. I would potentially replace either Fakhar or Haris with Amin depending on their performance in the Pakistan Cup.

    Extremely unlikely to happen but if the management see the light and actually put this team out for the tournament, I can see us competing with the best.

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    This is an excellent post. It is frustrating to see entire batting order getting disturbed just to fit Hafeez in.

    The same is going to happen in tests. Mark my words. To fit Shaan, Azhar will move back to #3.

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