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    So no rona dhona today ?
    Do they want us to play like Sri Lanka who have no interest in the field ?


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    So no rona dhona today ?
    Do they want us to play like Sri Lanka who have no interest in the field ?
    South Africa is 1st place in ODIs.

    Does FAF behave like Sarfraz?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    South Africa is 1st place in ODIs.

    Does FAF behave like Sarfraz?
    He is behaving fine. Pakistan are winning because he pushes the players to give their best. Its all in your head.
    Frankly, I dont see any wrong. I have always seen him captaining like this. Chahay u-19 ho domestic ho ya ab international ho.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    He is behaving fine. Pakistan are winning because he pushes the players to give their best. Its all in your head.
    Frankly, I dont see any wrong. I have always seen him captaining like this. Chahay u-19 ho domestic ho ya ab international ho.
    Let's hope so.

    Past experiences have shown in-fighting begins due to behaviour like this.

    On a more positive note, he's truly starting to come into his own as an ODI tactician. Has great control over timely changes.

    Test captaincy is a work in progress of course.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    He is behaving fine. Pakistan are winning because he pushes the players to give their best. Its all in your head.
    Frankly, I dont see any wrong. I have always seen him captaining like this. Chahay u-19 ho domestic ho ya ab international ho.
    Slowly but surely people are coming to the conclusion we came to a while ago.

    Best ODI captain in world cricket atm.

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    As calculated as he is, Sarfaraz can be quite conservative at times. He needs to be more ruthless when his strike bowlers are firing.


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    Looking his normal self again! Guess everyone getting used to his anger on field.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    So no rona dhona today ?
    Do they want us to play like Sri Lanka who have no interest in the field ?
    We used to play like that under Misbah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    So no rona dhona today ?
    Do they want us to play like Sri Lanka who have no interest in the field ?
    But but but he shouts too much



    Forget the fact that he is miles better captain than Misbah even with all the shouting.


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    Sarfraz has much better team.

    Comparison with Misbah is not fair, At that time we did not have world class players like Shadab, Hassan and Babar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    Sarfraz has much better team.

    Comparison with Misbah is not fair, At that time we did not have world class players like Shadab, Hassan and Babar.
    Maybe because Misbah never wanted to experiment with youngsters. Hardly any youngster debuted and played consistently during Misbah's tenure. The difference is Sarfaraz is not only playing youngsters in his side but also giving them ample responsibility and confidence to shine through.


    10 years from now Misbah's era will be regarded as the darkest, most bleakest era of Pakistan cricket. Glad we got past it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    Sarfraz has much better team.

    Comparison with Misbah is not fair, At that time we did not have world class players like Shadab, Hassan and Babar.
    Misbah did not even bother getting youngsters in, his team is filled with TTF and seniors, just take a look at scorecards from the past or highlights.

    He only did okay because he had 2 chuckers playing for him, and even then he couldn't win a major tournament, pathetic.

    He became a saviour on forums for a little while because he held up one end as wickets were falling, any average batsman can have an average of 40-50 if they strike at 60-70...

    He is just beyond overrated in ODIs, in tests he did okay, but chuckers coming to his rescue during his initial years dents his test legacy as well.


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    That I will agree, Misbah was short sighted and backs his friends and co. although he did give chance to Shadab in PSL.

    I currently do not like Sarfraz and Arthur's backing of Hafeez, It was an ideal series to get Fahim set in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Maybe because Misbah never wanted to experiment with youngsters. Hardly any youngster debuted and played consistently during Misbah's tenure. The difference is Sarfaraz is not only playing youngsters in his side but also giving them ample responsibility and confidence to shine through.


    10 years from now Misbah's era will be regarded as the darkest, most bleakest era of Pakistan cricket. Glad we got past it.
    He was necessary at the time.

    The team was shell-shocked after the spot fixing nonsense in 2010.

    Getting in a mellow, player-friendly skipper was far more important.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    South Africa is 1st place in ODIs.

    Does FAF behave like Sarfraz?
    Cultural difference. Pakistanis understand the language of danda better than pyar mohabbat. Thats why Imran Khan was a successful captain and same reason Sarfraz is now successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    He was necessary at the time.

    The team was shell-shocked after the spot fixing nonsense in 2010.

    Getting in a mellow, player-friendly skipper was far more important.
    Yes the spot-fixing saga is the only means by which Misbah's garbage captaincy is justified. Fun fact we were over the spot-fixing by say 2012.... but Misbah sahab continued to favour oldies like Zulfi cobra.

    Misbah even played 41 year old Rafatullah Mohmand in his PSL side this year.... but but but spot fixing saga


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    That I will agree, Misbah was short sighted and backs his friends and co. although he did give chance to Shadab in PSL.

    I currently do not like Sarfraz and Arthur's backing of Hafeez, It was an ideal series to get Fahim set in the team.
    Fahim played last match and was slated to play the remaining two matches as well but got injured.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yes the spot-fixing saga is the only means by which Misbah's garbage captaincy is justified. Fun fact we were over the spot-fixing by say 2012.... but Misbah sahab continued to favour oldies like Zulfi cobra.

    Misbah even played 41 year old Rafatullah Mohmand in his PSL side this year.... but but but spot fixing saga
    That's a little unfair. You have forgotten about the PSL spot fixing episode which meant they lost Sharjeel and Khalid Latif just as the tournament started.

    Misbah is the same IU captain who played Shadab Khan, Rumman Raees, Hussain Talat, Asif Ali, Amad Butt etc.

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    9th win on the trot.


    First whitewash of a non-minnow since 2003


    7th successive supremely dominant performance



    But but but he shouts too much



    #best since IK



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    Karachi boy will remain captain despite it hurting many people's feelings


    #karlo jo karna hai


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    9th win on the trot.


    First whitewash of a non-minnow since 2003


    7th successive supremely dominant performance



    But but but he shouts too much



    #best since IK

    People would rather have " acha-bacha " beta respect ur elders, let team at 99-6 make 280, get whitewashed by BD, nice khat beard, as captain. Oh, who also speaks English.

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    Today sarfraz was all smiles, but still clinical, getting better and better even without Amir and rumman

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    Great job by Sarfraz. As much as I like Azhar , changing him as captain was the correct decision.

    Sarfraz has added some aggression to the team and he is much better tactically than Misbah and Azhar.

    Keep up the good work.

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    Players who debut under Sarfraz in even less than a year..

    Shadab
    Fakhar
    Rumman
    Faheem
    Imam
    Usman

    and all the kids are performing..

    but but but captain has no role selecting, backing and instilling confidence in youngsters Pakistan is winning inspite of him not because of him and would have done better under Misbah, Afridi and Azhar


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Pakistan will reach new heights under Sarfraz. Mark my post!
    A captain's value is undervalued by fans.. Just see SA how the same team has started winning under Faf and looks much better...

    Sarfraz is the best thing happened to Pak cricket in years! He is not the most talented batsman or keeper out there but the value he brings to the side with his captaincy is unmatachable..


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Players who debut under Sarfraz in even less than a year..

    Shadab
    Fakhar
    Rumman
    Faheem
    Imam
    Usman

    and all the kids are performing..

    but but but captain has no role selecting, backing and instilling confidence in youngsters Pakistan is winning inspite of him not because of him and would have done better under Misbah, Afridi and Azhar
    Beautifully put that brought tears to my eyes




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    The passion, enthusiasm and happiness he shows when youngsters perform is just <3 Be it Faheem taking wickets, Shadab scoring winning runs or Hasan taking wickets.

    Should be a huge confidence booster for the youngsters playing under such a captain and in such a team environment. All youngsters who debut under Sarfraz are performing.. Must be a dream for youngsters playing in current lois side. Now i am feeling bad for some past players who played in a different era, they were not that bad... just weren't backed properly and given confidence.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    It's fine to hold players accountable but he overdoes it at times. He should be careful when yelling at fast bowlers, they can easily get ticked off. They respect him because he's a very good captain but on certain days you cannot cross that boundary.


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    Him shouting at the dressing room for not bringing him a water bottle after 12 deliveries was the moment of the match for me. Comical stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Players who debut under Sarfraz in even less than a year..

    Shadab
    Fakhar
    Rumman
    Faheem
    Imam
    Usman

    and all the kids are performing..

    but but but captain has no role selecting, backing and instilling confidence in youngsters Pakistan is winning inspite of him not because of him and would have done better under Misbah, Afridi and Azhar
    Afridi and Azhar leading the side hurt us the most. Misbah did really well in Tests, lost his way in ODs after 2013

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    His behaviour is perfect for a WK, problem is that he is Captain as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    The passion, enthusiasm and happiness he shows when youngsters perform is just <3 Be it Faheem taking wickets, Shadab scoring winning runs or Hasan taking wickets.

    Should be a huge confidence booster for the youngsters playing under such a captain and in such a team environment. All youngsters who debut under Sarfraz are performing.. Must be a dream for youngsters playing in current lois side. Now i am feeling bad for some past players who played in a different era, they were not that bad... just weren't backed properly and given confidence.
    Some fans refuse to be happy.

    Sarfaraz has revolutionised the team and is delivering results on a regular basis. You can see how much the players respect and love him, and yet some fans still complain about his "behaviour."

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    Would love to hav seen him try these bully antics in our previous teams with afridi, younis or even shoaib akhtar

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Some fans refuse to be happy.

    Sarfaraz has revolutionised the team and is delivering results on a regular basis. You can see how much the players respect and love him, and yet some fans still complain about his "behaviour."
    Winning masks a lot of things.

    What happens when they go on a losing streak? The same harsh words start to become increasingly irritating. It's not a new concept and has been seen across various sports let alone Pakistani cricket.

    Players take anything as long as they're winning.

    Sarfraz is a great skipper and this is such a simple thing to fix or at least control.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Winning masks a lot of things.

    What happens when they go on a losing streak? The same harsh words start to become increasingly irritating. It's not a new concept and has been seen across various sports let alone Pakistani cricket.

    Players take anything as long as they're winning.

    Sarfraz is a great skipper and this is such a simple thing to fix or at least control.
    You are a case in point.

    Winning just doesn't miraculously happen.

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    His fitness is another point of concern.


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    If he keeps winning ..... who cares. .?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Him shouting at the dressing room for not bringing him a water bottle after 12 deliveries was the moment of the match for me. Comical stuff.
    Brian Lara of the West Indies used to do things like that. He was king in the WI set-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    If the idea is to blindly bow in front of Sarfraz, kiss his feet, and praise him endlessly, I'll leave that to others.
    No one is saying that to you though criticism should always be constructive..
    there are some here who just hate him for being better captain than Misbah and Afridi, some Indians and some due to his origin and I dont feel wasting my time replying those. Some just troll lol :p

    You are a good poster but your point that once the team starts losing players will go after Sarfraz is just not true. This is coming from a person who is following him since 2006 u19 world cup.. his behavior is always like this: aggressive and passionate on field and extremely humble, supportive and friendly off field.. i have never seen anyone complaining about him.. I used to go to diamond ground in 2013 and even then heard praises from some players like Babar Azam and Ahmed Shehzad (who is a difficult character to handle) about Sarfraz's captaincy .. So don't worry about players doing a revolt or something like that. They will do fine.

    There are few recent videos (not the CT ones) where kids like Shadab say that we make fun of Sarfraz and tease him on his on-field aggressive behavior after the match all in good sense such is the good friendly environment right now in the team where 19 year olds are feeling comfortable teasing the captain. Long may it continue Sarfraz's aggressive on field behavior is helping the team and players to give their best, not the other way around.

    Lastly if you want a deep analysis on sarfi's captaincy then listen to Rashid Latif on ptv sports or Moeen Khan interviews.. These 2 guys know Sarfraz for a long time and he worked under them in Karachi as keeper. They rightly point areas where he needs improvement and even they say that Sarfraz is a born leader and captaincy is something which we learn with time and he will become better with time. This is his natural style of captaincy and we (people like Ramiz asking the silly question again and again in post match conferences) should never ask him to change his style. Once he lose this style, he will lose his productivity as captain.


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    Nothing wrong with his behavior . Players don't mind because they know its only on field aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    Sarfraz has much better team.

    Comparison with Misbah is not fair, At that time we did not have world class players like Shadab, Hassan and Babar.
    consistency in selecting them is the key... none of them became fantastic overnight... Babar, Hasan had a very quiet ODI series in England'16 wasnt dropped... With MISBAH they would have been dropped to cool the fans for making scapegoats for the 4-1 loss... Also the same happened after the Australia tour, wasnt dropped... MISBAH was reluctant to try any youngster who has the potential and back them is much more important... MISBAH used Jamshed and when he had a bad patch after exposed to tests wasnt backed as MISBAH cannot win matches with the team he has to back out of form youngsters who promised a lot in the begining... Now in this T20I series Sarfraz wins even without Babar performing... Also in the CT Babar didnt have an excellent series still he wins... Sarfraz knows how to win matches which MISBAH dont know is the answer.. How good you are will show how goo the team is...

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    Sarfraz is the best thing to happen to Pakistan cricket in recent times. He knows how to get the best out of his players. If he criticizes their mistakes, he also praises their achievements. Most importantly, he has the hunger to win and a very positive attitude which is responsible for the turn-around of our team. Take Sarfraz out and I am 100% sure we'll start losing again. He is 1000 times the captain and the leader Misbah and Azhar could ever be. Those losers should not even be compared with Sarfraz, he is in a completely different league.

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    It's funny how people are quick to point out Saifi's shouting/aggression but never appreciate how "unfit and fat" Saifi is the first guy to run to Shady after he won us the match yesterday. Heck he even got to Shadab even before Hasan who was just at the non-striking end.

    Or how Saifi ran full tilt and bear-hugged Fahim after his hattrick. In fact Saifi seemed more thrilled about it than Ashraf himself.


    No person is perfect and Saifi has plenty of areas to improve in, but for now Saifi and I only have one message to all haters:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    It's funny how people are quick to point out Saifi's shouting/aggression but never appreciate how "unfit and fat" Saifi is the first guy to run to Shady after he won us the match yesterday. Heck he even got to Shadab even before Hasan who was just at the non-striking end.

    Or how Saifi ran full tilt and bear-hugged Fahim after his hattrick. In fact Saifi seemed more thrilled about it than Ashraf himself.


    No person is perfect and Saifi has plenty of areas to improve in, but for now Saifi and I only have one message to all haters:

    Nevermind the fans, what I hate is the fact that our senior ambassadors for cricket like Rameez are making remarks about his shouting and abusing as if it has set our cricket back a few decades(see misbah). I even remember him saying he's a bad keeper, every time he comes on he makes a comment about him being fat.
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    Sarfraz should shout more when batting (at Hafeez, Babar, Shoaib) for playing too many dot balls

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaadAliG View Post
    Nevermind the fans, what I hate is the fact that our senior ambassadors for cricket like Rameez are making remarks about his shouting and abusing as if it has set our cricket back a few decades(see misbah). I even remember him saying he's a bad keeper, every time he comes on he makes a comment about him being fat.
    Ironically Ramiz Raja has a worse average and strike rate in ODIs than Sarfaraz even though the former played his entire career as opener. Moh chalanay mein koi paisay thori lagtay hain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    It's funny how people are quick to point out Saifi's shouting/aggression but never appreciate how "unfit and fat" Saifi is the first guy to run to Shady after he won us the match yesterday. Heck he even got to Shadab even before Hasan who was just at the non-striking end.

    Or how Saifi ran full tilt and bear-hugged Fahim after his hattrick. In fact Saifi seemed more thrilled about it than Ashraf himself.


    No person is perfect and Saifi has plenty of areas to improve in, but for now Saifi and I only have one message to all haters:

    I find it so weird caling him saifi. Sarfi is so much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bay Garrett View Post
    I find it so weird caling him saifi. Sarfi is so much better.
    His official nickname is Saifi


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner786 View Post
    Would love to hav seen him try these bully antics in our previous teams with afridi, younis or even shoaib akhtar
    What rubbish "bully antics". The above named people were the bullies themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    His official nickname is Saifi
    I know that but I prefer Sarfi. P.S nicknames can't be "official". That's an oxymoron.

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    It is comical how easy it is to get under the skin of Sarfraz's fans. You lot really need to get better at ingesting and digesting criticism. The specialist, unfit captain is not untouchable.

    Sarfraz's fans are putting Amir's fans to shame with their sensitivity.

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    Its beautiful to see how unacceptable Sarfraz's captaincy is to some people. Its painful to see him succeed despite his deficiencies. The bitter hearts just pour their hatred on this page hoping he would fail some day so that they could really dig into this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Its beautiful to see how unacceptable Sarfraz's captaincy is to some people. Its painful to see him succeed despite his deficiencies. The bitter hearts just pour their hatred on this page hoping he would fail some day so that they could really dig into this thread.
    They have to wait for next 6 years before Sarfraz retires


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    I have a strong feeling that Pakistan will win 2019 or 2023 world cup in Sarfraz's captaincy.. Difficult to win a t20 title as its after every 4 years now and Sarfraz shouldnt play that long in t20s.. May be try a shot in 2020.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is comical how easy it is to get under the skin of Sarfraz's fans. You lot really need to get better at ingesting and digesting criticism. The specialist, unfit captain is not untouchable.

    Sarfraz's fans are putting Amir's fans to shame with their sensitivity.

    Exactly. If you critizce him it's because of regional bias or it's because you hate him.

    Some critiscm goes OTT, but I have seen valid critiscm for Sarfraz get swept under the carpet by the Sarfraz fan club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Exactly. If you critizce him it's because of regional bias or it's because you hate him.

    Some critiscm goes OTT, but I have seen valid critiscm for Sarfraz get swept under the carpet by the Sarfraz fan club.
    Name calling him as midget is valid criticism? Is it his fault that he is short? Would you like to be mocked again and again if you were short? I certainly won't and some people take it at heart.
    I always try to appreciate valid criticism but not when the hatred is clear... Have been on this forum for some time now and sorry not blind. have never seen you criticizing such behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Name calling him as midget is valid criticism? Is it his fault that he is short? Would you like to be mocked again and again if you were short? I certainly won't and some people take it at heart.
    I always try to appreciate valid criticism but not when the hatred is clear... Have been on this forum for some time now and sorry not blind.

    His fitness is poor yet his fans were finding a way to defend it. He hides down the order instead o coming up the order which is another valid critiscm. Others have an issue with his body language and him showing too much emotion.

    All of these are valid concerns and bringing them up doesn't mean you hate Sarfraz.

    I don't condemn the personal insults you mentioned.

    Other than one poster who I won't mention, I don't see anyone blindly hating Sarfraz but his fans are way too sensitive. At the end of the day we are all Pakistan fans and want the best for the team, if fans aren't going to be allowed to make valid points on a public forum without being called haters than a public forum isn't a place for Sarfraz fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    His fitness is poor yet his fans were finding a way to defend it. He hides down the order instead o coming up the order which is another valid critiscm. Others have an issue with his body language and him showing too much emotion.

    All of these are valid concerns and bringing them up doesn't mean you hate Sarfraz.

    I don't condemn the personal insults you mentioned.

    Other than one poster who I won't mention, I don't see anyone blindly hating Sarfraz but his fans are way too sensitive. At the end of the day we are all Pakistan fans and want the best for the team, if fans aren't going to be allowed to make valid points on a public forum without being called haters than a public forum isn't a place for Sarfraz fans.
    You are quite often seen criticizing Sarfraz fans putting all of them in one bracket but stay quite when someone insults and mock him calling him midget... that was my point. I have nothing against you, you can have your opinion but when you preach fairness, be one too!


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    Sarfraz is a good captain and appointing him was the right decision. When he does well I will say and when he doesn't I will critizce him. I don't have blind love for him like some on this forum. The main problem I have is with his fan base who are so sensitive. He will be critzced and some things he does will be over analysed so Sarfraz need to accept that when things don't go well and Pakistan lose games, he will be critzced. These same fans defend him when we lose were the same ones who blamed Misbah and Afridi for every defeat and everything wrong with Pakistan cricket.

    The hypocrisy is what annoys me the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    You are quite often seen criticizing Sarfraz fans putting all of them in one bracket but stay quite when someone insults and mock him calling him midget... that was my point. I have nothing against you, you can have your opinion but when you preach fairness, be one too!

    I have said the personal insults are wrong and they should be refrained from, but I can't stop others from venting there frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Sarfraz is a good captain and appointing him was the right decision. When he does well I will say and when he doesn't I will critizce him. I don't have blind love for him like some on this forum. The main problem I have is with his fan base who are so sensitive. He will be critzced and some things he does will be over analysed so Sarfraz need to accept that when things don't go well and Pakistan lose games, he will be critzced. These same fans defend him when we lose were the same ones who blamed Misbah and Afridi for every defeat and everything wrong with Pakistan cricket.

    The hypocrisy is what annoys me the most.
    Again you are putting all of his fans in one bracket. I was not on this forum when Misbah and Afridi were captain.. After joining this forum, I have criticized Misbah and Afridi mainly because they made us a mediocre loi side.. while Sarfraz on the other side has made us a force in lois and havent lost a series till now.. Dont know how you cant put all of Sarfraz fans in the same bracket.. Next time if you have problem with any of my post defending Sarfraz, please quote me directly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Again you are putting all of his fans in one bracket. I was not on this forum when Misbah and Afridi were captain.. After joining this forum, I have criticized Misbah and Afridi mainly because they made us a mediocre loi side.. while Sarfraz on the other side has made us a force in lois and havent lost a series till now.. Dont know how you cant put all of Sarfraz fans in the same bracket.. Next time if you have problem with any of my post defending Sarfraz, please quote me directly.

    Well obviously I'm going to put all Sarfraz fans in the same bracket, didn't know there were different types of Sarfraz fans now

    It's a public forum bhai. That post wasn't about you. It was about the Sarfraz fan club on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Well obviously I'm going to put all Sarfraz fans in the same bracket, didn't know there were different types of Sarfraz fans now

    It's a public forum bhai. That post wasn't about you. It was about the Sarfraz fan club on this forum.
    No hard feelings You are a nice guy! Just wanted to point that as you say you are quite neutral so atleast should understand that some of Sarfraz's defence come in response to the baseless criticism and personal insults. Its not about being sensitive etc!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    His fitness is poor yet his fans were finding a way to defend it. He hides down the order instead o coming up the order which is another valid critiscm. Others have an issue with his body language and him showing too much emotion.

    All of these are valid concerns and bringing them up doesn't mean you hate Sarfraz.

    I don't condemn the personal insults you mentioned.

    Other than one poster who I won't mention, I don't see anyone blindly hating Sarfraz but his fans are way too sensitive. At the end of the day we are all Pakistan fans and want the best for the team, if fans aren't going to be allowed to make valid points on a public forum without being called haters than a public forum isn't a place for Sarfraz fans.
    This 'hiding behind his players' jibe has not been a recent 'fan theory. It has always comes up whenever a captain is incharge. Its been there since the days Imran was captain, people told him to come up the order to defend his teams shoddy batting displays.

    Then when Inzamam was captain, Imran returned the favor and always asked Inzi to come up the order.

    Ever since we have started having batting captains, the same theory comes up for all the captains incharge recurrentlyt that why don't you bat up the order?

    The fact that the guy keeps for 20 overs/50 overs/ test matches, the man has no respite at all.

    Again invalid criticism as it has nothing to do with the captain, this just comes to always undermine and challenge the captains team in position, this theory has the same legs as 'Misbah is the reason the other players get out because he puts them under pressure', which was never true ether because Umar, Sohaib,Jamshed and Afridi were inherently bad batsmen who always got out after scoring 20s and 30s, they never 'playing for the team', their limit was to play blistering knocks and then get out at the wrong time.
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    Sarf's primary job is to keep well behind the stumps and captain the team. Unless his keeping is like Kamran Akmal, I see no reason for him letting go of his keeping duties to bat as a player at no.4 just so some drawing room fans who do nothing but sit home all day can feel better about their captain's ability as a player.

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    And yet we were humiliated in test series....

    Oh wait that was Mickey's fault

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    And yet we were humiliated in test series....

    Oh wait that was Mickey's fault
    Won 9 of the last 10 ODIs

    Won 11 of the last 13 T20s.





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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Its beautiful to see how unacceptable Sarfraz's captaincy is to some people. Its painful to see him succeed despite his deficiencies. The bitter hearts just pour their hatred on this page hoping he would fail some day so that they could really dig into this thread.
    I don't normally agree with you on anything.... but here you are right. This haters club is waiting for one defeat so that they can spew their venom. They came close yesterday but unfortunately Shady threw a spanner in their plans. "Specialist captain" also happened to be the highest scorer for Pakistan


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I don't normally agree with you on anything.... but here you are right. This haters club is waiting for one defeat so that they can spew their venom. They came close yesterday but unfortunately Shady threw a spanner in their plans. "Specialist captain" also happened to be the highest scorer for Pakistan
    Adding to my point above about batting up the order, when Azhar was captain, he was an opener, and I think he got 3 centuries as a captain and scored a couple of 50s against England (the series we happened to lose 4-1), but still our fans didn't like his 'bat above the order/ lead from the front as an opener' gig, since he was 'uninspiring, timid, lacked imagination and most of all aggression'

    He was fit, unemotional, non expressive, leading from the front, all things Sarfraz was not, and still he wasn't a good captain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Its beautiful to see how unacceptable Sarfraz's captaincy is to some people. Its painful to see him succeed despite his deficiencies. The bitter hearts just pour their hatred on this page hoping he would fail some day so that they could really dig into this thread.
    I wish you saw the irony in this post.

    What do you do with Babar Azam?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    I wish you saw the irony in this post.

    What do you do with Babar Azam?
    Well Babar has always been a failure in Test Matches, which he has already proved through his average of 19 in the past year

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Well Babar has always been a failure in Test Matches, which he has already proved through his average of 19 in the past year
    You don't spare his ODI performances either.

    As someone once said, "It's painful to see him succeed despite his deficiencies."


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    You don't spare his ODI performances either.

    As someone once said, "It's painful to see him succeed despite his deficiencies."
    Well you can either look at the glass half full or half empty, I prefer to see him as a limited over specialist like Hafeez and Malik. His entitlement as a no.3 batsman failed in test matches. But I guess in LOI he should be credited for his purple patch in bilateral series.

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    PP experts put in their place by none other than Hassan Ali:

    Regarding Sarfaraz, I honestly like it when he shouts at me as that motivates me and I'm sure it's the same for the other players also.

    Sarfaraz's shouting isn't really him getting angry at us, it's actually his way of reminding us that we need to keep our focus, not lose concentration and make sure that we are on our game. I enjoy him shouting at me and don't mind it at all.


    We can go ahead and end this thread now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    PP experts put in their place by none other than Hassan Ali:

    Regarding Sarfaraz, I honestly like it when he shouts at me as that motivates me and I'm sure it's the same for the other players also.

    Sarfaraz's shouting isn't really him getting angry at us, it's actually his way of reminding us that we need to keep our focus, not lose concentration and make sure that we are on our game. I enjoy him shouting at me and don't mind it at all.


    We can go ahead and end this thread now.
    @Syed1 @SarfiBabarHaris
    Nice lets see what the haters have to say now.


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    I don't have much of a problem with Sarfraz's behavior in the field, it is a little over the top but most people have blown it out of proportions. I don't think the players have much of a problem with it, at least not the majority.

    However, you have to be extremely naive to use Hasan Ali's interview to prove that the players don't have a problem with it. Even if Hasan and the players had an issue with it, how likely is it that they are going to talk about it in an interview?

    Absolutely comical. It is like saying that player X hasn't fixed any matches because he came out in an interview and claimed that he is innocent.

    Once again, for those who cannot read the first time, I am not suggesting that the players have a problem with Sarfraz. My point is that the rationale used (i.e. Hasan's interview) to prove that the players don't have a problem is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I don't have much of a problem with Sarfraz's behavior in the field, it is a little over the top but most people have blown it out of proportions. I don't think the players have much of a problem with it, at least not the majority.

    However, you have to be extremely naive to use Hasan Ali's interview to prove that the players don't have a problem with it. Even if Hasan and the players had an issue with it, how likely is it that they are going to talk about it in an interview?

    Absolutely comical. It is like saying that player X hasn't fixed any matches because he came out in an interview and claimed that he is innocent.

    Once again, for those who cannot read the first time, I am not suggesting that the players have a problem with Sarfraz. My point is that the rationale used (i.e. Hasan's interview) to prove that the players don't have a problem is hilarious.
    The problem with Sarfaraz's approach is that he really loses it in pressure situation and takes his frustrations out on the fielders and bowlers which is very detrimental and can cause the team to come under extra pressure. Compare this to Dhoni who is always calm till the very end. These things can end up being the difference b/w defeat and victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The problem with Sarfaraz's approach is that he really loses it in pressure situation and takes his frustrations out on the fielders and bowlers which is very detrimental and can cause the team to come under extra pressure. Compare this to Dhoni who is always calm till the very end. These things can end up being the difference b/w defeat and victory.
    It's good to see it this way that maybe Dhoni was too calm which is why they lost Ct to Pakistan. Sarfaraz kept shouting so his players were focused and ended up winning. End of arguement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The problem with Sarfaraz's approach is that he really loses it in pressure situation and takes his frustrations out on the fielders and bowlers which is very detrimental and can cause the team to come under extra pressure. Compare this to Dhoni who is always calm till the very end. These things can end up being the difference b/w defeat and victory.
    His captaincy isn't an issue, the main problem is that he is not setting any standards with his individual performance and fitness. He is one of the worst performing players in the squad, and that is not a problem when the team is winning. However, once the team starts losing, he will be the first one to bear the brunt of the fans because he is not making any contributions.

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    Lol so now Hasan saying Sarfraz's aggression motivates him doesn't matter. Masha Allah! Isay khtay hain nafrat, bas bilawaja aik insaan ki hr baat buri lagna.

    Have asked haters many times that please list me one occasion where a player has complained about Sarfraz. Sarfraz is captaining domestic sides for ages now and before he was u-19 and Karachi cricket club captain. His captaincy style is the same as ever. If his 'shouting' is so troubling for ya'all then why hasn't a player ever complained about him? Heck Sarfraz has kept egos like Ahmed Shehzad (Quetta + Pakistan) in check who has a history of misbehavior & complaining and even re-tweeted tweets against Azhar Ali and few other players in past.


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