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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Pant should have been played against England and groomed as the LOI wk-batsman for a year now.
    Too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    It is kind of hard to score century in 20 over format.
    It was no problem for Saha at all to score one in an IPL final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr7great View Post
    yuvi and dhoni should not be selected
    Yup, only one of em. Same goes for Gambhir but pitches are expected to be neutral aka little flatter and our Gambhir shouldn't have too much trouble.

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    Wow, I haven't followed India cricket for a while, kind of surprised to see so many people say their ODI lineup is overrated. Is Dhoni really that washed out now?

    Low key rooting very hard for South Africa after Pakistan. I'd love for this tournament to just be a place where we show growth and take steps in the right direction to improve as a LOI squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialisttailender View Post
    Yup, only one of em. Same goes for Gambhir but pitches are expected to be neutral aka little flatter and our Gambhir shouldn't have too much trouble.
    How does Gambhir get into the conversation? His IPL feats should count for naught.

    How many ODIs has he played in England anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    How does Gambhir get into the conversation? His IPL feats should count for naught.

    How many ODIs has he played in England anyway?
    He did well in Ranji trophy and seems to be in a decent form. We are playing in Summer, using Kookaburra ball and the pitch will be curated by ICC and Gambhir's performance in England shouldn't matter. After the 1999 WC pitch of the cricket matches in ICC tournaments are always prepared to suit everyone, at least that is the intention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialisttailender View Post
    He did well in Ranji trophy and seems to be in a decent form. We are playing in Summer, using Kookaburra ball and the pitch will be curated by ICC and Gambhir's performance in England shouldn't matter. After the 1999 WC pitch of the cricket matches in ICC tournaments are always prepared to suit everyone, at least that is the intention.
    He did well in the Ranji Trophy in 2014 and 2016 too. Both times he was brought back into the side and he failed on both occasions.

    He's now 35, about time we move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    He did well in the Ranji Trophy in 2014 and 2016 too. Both times he was brought back into the side and he failed on both occasions.

    He's now 35, about time we move on.
    I kinda don't want him to either but he has the match experience, what do we do ? My mind is still floating, but I'd rather have Dhawan, Rohit and Yuvi. We can't be too inexperienced. I don't feel comfortable playing Rohit, Dhawan Yuvi and Dhoni in the same line up in England regardless of the pitch and conditions but what else we do ? give contract back to Raina and bring him back on board ?. It can become a huge disaster especially if we are batting first on a slightly colder morning. We can't rely on Saha or inexperienced wonder boys like Rahul, Pant, Iyer and Nair either. I say go with senior most team members in batting, bring in Bumrah on board for fast bowling and keep experienced spinners like Mishy rather than Chahal or worst Kuldeep. We can experiment everything after the champions trophy.

    than Kedhar, Pant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialisttailender View Post
    Yup, only one of em. Same goes for Gambhir but pitches are expected to be neutral aka little flatter and our Gambhir shouldn't have too much trouble.
    It is day in day out that matters. One off does not count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    How does Gambhir get into the conversation? His IPL feats should count for naught.

    How many ODIs has he played in England anyway?
    If you dont go by IPL what else you can go on. Currently he is really performing.

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    Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvi, Dhoni for some reason do not look comfortable anymore. I think this is the weakest lineup India will have in decades. I would be very surprised if this lineup makes to the semis. Bowling resources currently are the best in the worls. Umesh, Bhuvi. Bumrah are the best 1,2,3 combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvi, Dhoni for some reason do not look comfortable anymore. I think this is the weakest lineup India will have in decades. I would be very surprised if this lineup makes to the semis. Bowling resources currently are the best in the worls. Umesh, Bhuvi. Bumrah are the best 1,2,3 combo.
    Considering we have SL and Pak in our group it should be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    I will go with Parthiv Patel Hands down the best in India for this format. Saha will slow things down.
    Another fantastic batting performance by PP for Mumbai, 8 balls, 3 runs, OUT.

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    And duck for Rohit.

    Weird overconfidence from some Indian fans here.

    A lineup with even 3 of Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvi and Dhoni (all at current levels) is a joke and will fail badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Another fantastic batting performance by PP for Mumbai, 8 balls, 3 runs, OUT.
    Wait till the end of the season. If he does not than time to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    Wait till the end of the season. If he does not than time to move on.
    Fair enough. Exciting game so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    And duck for Rohit.

    Weird overconfidence from some Indian fans here.

    A lineup with even 3 of Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvi and Dhoni (all at current levels) is a joke and will fail badly.
    This line up is troubling. I have to admit this is the weakest combination India has. Bowling has me excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    This line up is troubling. I have to admit this is the weakest combination India has. Bowling has me excited.
    The problem for India is that they can choose only 5 or 6 out of 12 superstar batsmen. The difficulty in making that choice should not be confused for batting weakness.

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    lol @ 12 superstar batsmen.

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    I really think we need to be patient. For me the auto matic selection in batting are Kohli and Rahul and maybe Rahane. I am worried.

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    Rohit looks to be in terrible form. He should be no where near the team in his current form. Unless he quickly changes his form, Someone else should be selected.

    The worst part is, Rohit is not able to pick googlies at all. First it was Rashid Khan and today it is Badree. He missed the ball by a mile on both occasions.

    MSD is done. Pant should take his spot.

    I would rather have Parthiv Patel/Iyer over Rohit.

    Outside of Rahul and Kohli, the batting lineup looks below average if they go with names rather than form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    Considering we have SL and Pak in our group it should be easy.
    SL yes. Pakistan is playing good ball right now.

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    Bhaji is impressing me too. In limited format i will take him over Ashwin. Pandya is doing well too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    Considering we have SL and Pak in our group it should be easy.
    Gonna be a problem if we bat first on early starts for sure. Pak batters will choke, Sri Lankan bowling, batting and fielding will choke for sure but we don't know the strength and weakness. The problem is the next group when we face tougher opponents. Last time we were lucky to have that kind of pitch and over reduction in the final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    SL yes. Pakistan is playing good ball right now.
    Against West Indies.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialisttailender View Post
    Against West Indies.....
    I am worried about Pakistan. They look good right now. Couple that with uncertainity in Indian line up it could be a bad day for us. I hope I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    So with the CT coming up what should be our team for the title defense. This is mine.

    Rohit - Hasn't played in a while but his record is still good I guess
    Dhawan - Hasn't been good for a while but performs in ICC trophies. Doing decently in IPL though.
    Kohli - Nothing to be said
    Rahul - Has had some really good knocks in his short career (although T20/test)
    Dhoni - Doesn't seem to have same mojo but did OK against Eng
    Yuvraj - Same as above
    Jadhav - Has done well recently. Can bowl a bit
    Pandya - Not really a good bowler but I guess makes up for it in hitting ability
    Ashwin - Always decent
    Jadeja - Always decent
    Shami - Good record but hasn't played ODIs in a long long time
    Bumrah - Good bowler. Great at the death.

    On paper seems like a decent lineup but we have a few with good records who haven't played in a long long time (Shami/Rohit), some are old but looking to have regained a bit of their old mojo but who knows (Yuvraj/Dhoni) and some are youngsters with potential (Bumrah/Jadhav/Pandya/Rahul).

    Only Kohli/Ashwin/Jadeja are the ones who are established and are performing at current capacity. We won in 2013 with Jadeja and Dhawan going to the next level so who knows.

    I am fairly confident of beating Pak/Lanka and getting to the semi finals but it's the other four teams that will be tough. The match against SA and the SF/F (if we get there) will be huge shootouts so I don't mind putting Pandya in as he can score runs at a decent clip to compensate for his mediocre bowling. Jadeja/Ashwin are OK batters too.
    Hope we meet at semis


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    I'd put gambhir in for Rohit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialisttailender View Post
    Chennai payyana nee ? . How can you leave Dhoni out? I wouldn't want Dhoni either but we need an experienced wicket keeper and Pant is inexperienced for a middle order wicket keeping position at an important tournament. Uthappa is a choker and should be avoided at all cost. Mishy in for Chahal for experience wise and Pandya as a back up for Jaddu.

    Rohit/ (match winner)
    Rehane
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    Kohli
    Yuvi/Gambhir/Jadav
    Dhoni
    Jaddu
    Ashwin
    Mishy/Chahal
    Shami
    Bumrah
    Aaron/Yadav
    Mishy is an ultra choker.

    Dhoni is useless.

    Fight for 3rd spinner (for CT) will be between Chahal and Kuldeep and likely Kuldeep will win...though Chahal is good too.

    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Dhawan
    Rohit
    Kohli
    Rahul
    Jadhav
    WK Bat (Pant or Uthappa)
    Jaddu
    Ash/Kuldeep/Chahal
    Bumrah/Bhuvi/Pandya
    Shami/Bhuvi/Pandya
    Umesh

    If this troop plays, we have a solid chance of winning.

    If the comedy troop (that our selectors love) plays, its all in the hands of God.
    Rohit is clueless against googly in this IPL. Got out like 3 times to 3 different leggies.

    If he doesn't get back to form, we need a backup for him.


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    Suddenly there is a big problem at the top...

    Rohit is woefully out of form..can't buy a run

    Rahul is injured and will go in CT with no match practice

    Dhawan is past his sell date

    I can easily see Rahane sneaking in at top so we may see

    Rahane
    Rohit/Rahul
    Kohli
    Yuvi
    Dhoni
    Jadhav
    Hardik
    Jadeja/Ashwin
    Bhuvi
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    Bumrah

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    My advice to people. Don't count out Hitman yet based on 2 LBWs.

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    When will this hack dhoni retires?

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    We will be humiliated in this champions trophy like the over the hill test team was humiliated in 2011.
    Nobody in form, injuries will play a big role

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    Rohit (Replace him if he continues to struggle in IPL)
    Rahul
    Kohli
    Raina
    Jadhav
    Pant (W/K)
    Pandya (Lack of options).
    Jadeja
    Kuldeep
    BK
    Bumrah

    A big no to Umesh in ODI's. He will be taken to cleaners. Dude cannot bowl a yorker or a slower one.

    MSD is done. He should compeltely retire and stop embarrassing himself.

    Yuvraj is way past his sell by date. Raina is much better than him. Raina can also bowl economically and is a brilliant fielder.

    Rohit is a big worry. Cannot carry a struggling guy who has not played cricket in a while at the top. If he does not hit form, he should be dropped for someone who can actually put bat on ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    For a change - IND/PAK mach will be much, much closer than most thinks. I think, IND's advantage will start from the toss - if Virat wins it, he'll send PAK to bat; if Sarfu wins it, he'll decide to test his openers' quality against moving ball in early morning.

    BUT, if somehow PAK end up bowling first, it'll be quite tight match.
    if pak bowl first and restrict India under 260 which they can ....they have high chance of winning it

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    Pak will gives a royal hiding if we bat and collapse to amir and junaid which this line up is easily capable of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Pak will gives a royal hiding if we bat and collapse to amir and junaid which this line up is easily capable of
    It all depends on which team gets selected.

    If Selectors go for big names like Dhoni/Yuvraj etc thinking this is still 2009 or 2010, then India are toast.

    If selectors for a change use their brains and select guys like Pant/Kuldeep, then we have a good chance of defending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    if pak bowl first and restrict India under 260 which they can ....they have high chance of winning it
    Problem is, PAK is mentally shot when it comes to the thought of chasing. And, it's opposite in Test - even the slightest of green touch on wicket, PAK Captain'll put opponents in.

    Personally, I think PAK is a better LO team while chasing because of many factors starting with club level fielding, that'll drop dollies under slightest pressure.

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    Can we have Kedar keep at the CT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    It all depends on which team gets selected.

    If Selectors go for big names like Dhoni/Yuvraj etc thinking this is still 2009 or 2010, then India are toast.

    If selectors for a change use their brains and select guys like Pant/Kuldeep, then we have a good chance of defending.
    This should have happened a year back.

    Pant is an elite talent, but it is reckless and career threatening to throw him at the deep end and give him his debut at the CT where India are the defending champions.

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    Dinesh Karthick above all the wkt keepers right now.

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    Most of us know or can guess what would be the playing XI for India. I was just looking at the players list from IPL and this thing came into my mind. What'd be a 2nd eleven for India and whats its chances ?

    So an Alternate Indian team could be-

    1. Rishabh Pant(WK/Opener)

    2. Gautam Gambhir (Recent form suggests that he still has it in him)

    3. Nitish Rana(Looks a solid no.3. Has a power game as well as he can rotate the strike well)

    4. Shreyash Iyer

    5. Manish Pandey

    6. Karun Nair

    7. Krunal Pandya

    8. Umesh Yadav(Most probably Bumrah and Shami will be on national duty with Umesh being left out)

    9. Varun Aaron/Ishant Sharma

    10. Sandeep Sharma/Amit Mishra

    11. Yazuvendra Chahal

    What do you think guys?.. Bowling looks a bit weak but that was never our strength in the first place.
    Last edited by OneTip-OneHand; 17th April 2017 at 07:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTip-OneHand View Post
    Most of us know or can guess what would be the playing XI for India. I was just looking at the players list from IPL and this thing came into my mind. What'd be a 2nd eleven for India and whats its chances ?

    So an Alternate Indian team could be-

    1. Rishabh Pant(WK/Opener)

    2. Gautam Gambhir (Recent form suggests that he still has it in him)

    3. Nitish Rana(Looks a solid no.3. Has a power game as well as he can rotate the strike well)

    4. Shreyash Iyer

    5. Manish Pandey

    6. Karun Nair

    7. Krunal Pandya

    8. Umesh Yadav(Most probably Bumrah and Shami will be on national duty with Umesh being left out)

    9. Varun Aaron/Ishant Sharma

    10. Sandeep Sharma/Amit Mishra

    11. Yazuvendra Chahal

    What do you think guys?.. Bowling looks a bit weak but that was never our strength in the first place.
    You realize you are playing in CT not an IPL final ? You cannot field such an inexperienced field for a global event.
    Pant is the future - but he's more than a month away to be Team India ready. Dhoni brings in much more experience , better gloves and a deputy for Kohli.
    Karun Nair ? - The guy was brutally bad against Australia and his fielding was atrocious.
    Krunal Pandya - A good IPL player for now. Nothing more.
    Varun Aaron - The guy will be belted , got no variations , in English conditions straight 140 deliveries would be cannon fodder.
    Amit Mishra ? - With Jadeja and Ashwin and Kuldeep already ready to be selected , you'd be picking Mishra?

    I am not sure if this even is a serious attempt at picking a team

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    You realize you are playing in CT not an IPL final ? You cannot field such an inexperienced field for a global event.
    Pant is the future - but he's more than a month away to be Team India ready. Dhoni brings in much more experience , better gloves and a deputy for Kohli.
    Karun Nair ? - The guy was brutally bad against Australia and his fielding was atrocious.
    Krunal Pandya - A good IPL player for now. Nothing more.
    Varun Aaron - The guy will be belted , got no variations , in English conditions straight 140 deliveries would be cannon fodder.
    Amit Mishra ? - With Jadeja and Ashwin and Kuldeep already ready to be selected , you'd be picking Mishra?

    I am not sure if this even is a serious attempt at picking a team
    Man sometimes it helps if you read properly before coming to the conclusion.

    All these players are not first choice players. Still not that bad XI in my opinion. This team can still beat all the teams barring top 2 or 3. I just wanted make a point that no one in the first eleven can take his place for granted. We have ready replacements knocking the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Pak will gives a royal hiding if we bat and collapse to amir and junaid which this line up is easily capable of
    How sure are you that India will collapse to a Pak bowling attack? I highly doubt it. I also see many Ind bowlers grabbing caught behind wickets against Pak batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    Dinesh Karthick above all the wkt keepers right now.
    Rather have Saha, he is in good form of recent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialisttailender View Post
    Rather have Saha, he is in good form of recent.
    Anyone but Dhoni.
    Saha
    Patel
    Karthick
    Dhoni

    It willbe hard to pick but I know Indian management, they will go with Dhoni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    How sure are you that India will collapse to a Pak bowling attack? I highly doubt it. I also see many Ind bowlers grabbing caught behind wickets against Pak batsmen.
    Sir our batting is failing since long time being carried by one or two good performances from top order with nothing from middle and lower middle order.

    If pak wins the toss and put us to bat on a spicy pitch our batting will collapse like nine pins and pak will chase them very easily.

    If india plays on a flat track and score above 270 then pak chances will be less.

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    this time m excited about indian bowling rather than batting .we should play 3 genuine fast bowler bhuvi,shami,umesh +pandya must for these conditon also he added more batting dept +1 spin bowler may be jaddu for his allrounder ability
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test fan View Post
    this time m excited about indian bowling rather than batting .we should play 3 genuine fast bowler bhuvi,shami,umesh +pandya must for these conditon also he added more batting dept +1 spin bowler may be jaddu for his allrounder ability
    Yes indian odi batting is at its weakest with out of form and over the hill players. For me if india reaches semifinal of champions trophy it reflects very poorly on other teams like pak, sl

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    Both Dhawan & Gambhir are proven big match players.

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    India looks lot assured and secured in Test Matches of late!

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Tail starts from Yuvraj.

    Yuvi simply cannot be trusted.
    MSD is well past it.
    Pandya is a hack.
    Jaddu/Ashiwn amount for nothing with the bat in LOI.

    Our batting will be an unreliable Rohit + a youngman Rahul + Kohli. If the top3 fail, we will fail to score 200.
    Agreed .. don't know what I was thinking picking Dhoni and Yuvraj. My redesigned team which should trouble many is now -

    Rahul
    Rohit
    Kohli
    Manish
    Jhadav
    Pandya
    Jadeja
    Ashwin
    Bumrah
    Shami
    Bhuvi


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    People are getting hyped up. This team will crash out of CT. There is nothing settled about Indian team right now. The established players have taken their place for granted and are underperforming. Case in point Dhoni. He will be in the team. He will not perform. India will lose. Because they cannot make tough decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    People are getting hyped up. This team will crash out of CT. There is nothing settled about Indian team right now. The established players have taken their place for granted and are underperforming. Case in point Dhoni. He will be in the team. He will not perform. India will lose. Because they cannot make tough decisions.
    Strong team. If their bowlers fire against England then the title is theirs.

    England is the strongest team at the moment though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTip-OneHand View Post
    Man sometimes it helps if you read properly before coming to the conclusion.

    All these players are not first choice players. Still not that bad XI in my opinion. This team can still beat all the teams barring top 2 or 3. I just wanted make a point that no one in the first eleven can take his place for granted. We have ready replacements knocking the door.
    My mistake , missed the premise of your argument. Yes, as a second Playing 11 sure it does make sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    Anyone but Dhoni.
    Saha
    Patel
    Karthick
    Dhoni

    It willbe hard to pick but I know Indian management, they will go with Dhoni.
    They will and They should. Even if we ignore the past and who's done what
    At the present scenario - Who's the best wicket keeper ? Dhoni with Saha coming second
    Who's got some leadership experience ? Dhoni , not the rest
    Ability to hit big ? - Dhoni - the other's have had more failures than Dhoni.
    Running between the wickets ? Dhoni

    Your personal emotions are too strong to see logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    Anyone but Dhoni.
    Saha
    Patel
    Karthick
    Dhoni

    It willbe hard to pick but I know Indian management, they will go with Dhoni.
    Playing for India will motivate him to do a tad better, however it will create unnecessary chaos if he fails in earlier games and gets dropped. Then we will have a new guy without match practice batting in important games. I say give Dhoni a one last try, even if it is a slow knock, we'll have a mature player and an experienced strategist in the side. Can't see Saha or Parthiv playing impressive knocks that is good enough to Trump dhoni at the moment.

    Dhoni only got into the Indian side because he had less competition. He was after Mongia's role after all .

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    The case is simple. The other wicket-keepers don't have it in them to replace Dhoni as yet! At least Dhoni is not giving it up in wicket-keeping department. His wicket-keeping skills in LOIs is more than that in Tests (Saha may score well there). Especially against spinners those sharp-stumping proves decisive. In the last match against RCB his stumping against ABD proved match-winning effort (Any other wicket-keeper in India at the moment would have missed that at least 8 out of 10 times!) If ABD went through Tahir's spell, RCB would have got settled!

    So Dhoni will still be around in LOIs no matter what people tell. For his exit, both ends should burn (The alternate wicket-keeper should perform much better and Dhoni's skills has to deteriorate). Just that his hitting capabilities have come down and lost his captaincy doesn't mean that he is out of it!

    At least use Dhoni judicially. Make him to bat at No.4. He will be more than useful with those running between wickets and with field spread. He will not have the pressure of hitting big nor will have the need to find gaps in the early overs!

    Let him play like this. (This will also have a positive effect on haters! At No.4 he has the chance to bat longer and that can affect his fitness & concentration, in that way he can give way to others!)

    But no Yuvi please and I agree with that! Not much utility factor with him. Doesn't possess any leadership ideas, his part-time spin has lost the charm, his running between wicket & fielding levels have gone down (compared to Dhoni).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialisttailender View Post

    Dhoni only got into the Indian side because he had less competition. He was after Mongia's role after all .
    Partiv Patel and Dinesh Karthik made debut before Dhoni
    Indian wk debut order
    Mongia
    Sameer Dighe
    Saba Karim
    Mongia again
    Deep Das Gupta
    Parthiv Patel
    Dinesh Karthik
    Ajay ratra
    And Dhoni

    Some Of them only played tests

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    Haha its nice to see so much hope over over the hill hack who failed miserably in every icc tournament so far.

    I hope he atleast satisfies his fans. Already people r trending dhoni dropped hashtags on Twitter.

    It will be his last chance at redemption. If the team fails and he fails he will not have a leg to stand on.

    He has to hope that even if he fails miserably the team performs well like they r doing recently in icc tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    Agreed .. don't know what I was thinking picking Dhoni and Yuvraj. My redesigned team which should trouble many is now -

    Rahul
    Rohit
    Kohli
    Manish
    Jhadav
    Pandya
    Jadeja
    Ashwin
    Bumrah
    Shami
    Bhuvi
    Looks good (almost the team I want). Seems you want Rahul to keep wickets! I am not sure whether he actually makes it to CT with his injury! The guy is too fragile, if you give him wicket-keeping (at least now), he may break again (what if in the middle of tournament?) Not a safe wicket-keeper anyhow. He needs to work hard on his fitness (I am not talking about his gym & 6 packs! Normal fitness needed to play cricket without missing many matches, ask Rahul Dravid!) He had 2 weaknesses. Focus (which he may have overcome in the recent past), but fitness is still pending.

    Have Dhoni who can at least assure Wicket-keeping and his matured presence (make him bat at No.4)

    And why we need 6 bowlers? Pandya at No.6 is suicidal in case of collapse! (Already our LOI batting lineup is shaky! Test batting line up is far secured!) Pandya has to play in place of a seamer (replacing Jaddu/Ashwin is difficult). I will have Pandya in the squad and play him if in place of one of those 3 pacers if anyone is injured and improve the batting depth to compensate the bowling deficit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    Looks good (almost the team I want). Seems you want Rahul to keep wickets! I am not sure whether he actually makes it to CT with his injury! The guy is too fragile, if you give him wicket-keeping (at least now), he may break again (what if in the middle of tournament?) Not a safe wicket-keeper anyhow. He needs to work hard on his fitness (I am not talking about his gym & 6 packs! Normal fitness needed to play cricket without missing many matches, ask Rahul Dravid!) He had 2 weaknesses. Focus (which he may have overcome in the recent past), but fitness is still pending.

    Have Dhoni who can at least assure Wicket-keeping and his matured presence (make him bat at No.4)

    And why we need 6 bowlers? Pandya at No.6 is suicidal in case of collapse! (Already our LOI batting lineup is shaky! Test batting line up is far secured!) Pandya has to play in place of a seamer (replacing Jaddu/Ashwin is difficult). I will have Pandya in the squad and play him if in place of one of those 3 pacers if anyone is injured and improve the batting depth to compensate the bowling deficit.
    Mostly agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by subbu View Post
    Partiv Patel and Dinesh Karthik made debut before Dhoni
    Indian wk debut order
    Mongia
    Sameer Dighe
    Saba Karim
    Mongia again
    Deep Das Gupta
    Parthiv Patel
    Dinesh Karthik
    Ajay ratra
    And Dhoni

    Some Of them only played tests
    But their competition didn't do well as expected. Parthiv Patel was a sensational wonder boy that fell apart, I still remember his brave defensive inning vs England to tie that test match. DK didn't start of well either. There wasn't a set wicket keeper other than Mongia and he was liable with batting. Now look at today, there is a world cup winning captain arguably the second best captain of India, Kedar Jadhav with ODI average of 50, Saha, and Dinesh Karthik. Now compare a new comer who has to compete with these men and compare Dhoni competing with Mongia lol. Dhoni's Ranji season wasn't very impressive either, his season was better than every other keeper and his days at BCCI academy is what helped him. Dhoni in a way was kind of lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Sir our batting is failing since long time being carried by one or two good performances from top order with nothing from middle and lower middle order.

    If pak wins the toss and put us to bat on a spicy pitch our batting will collapse like nine pins and pak will chase them very easily.

    If india plays on a flat track and score above 270 then pak chances will be less.
    Lol I see high performances from Indian batsman with the likes of KL Rahul, Kohli, Dhoni (up the order), Yuvraj, Raina and Jadhav who all usually turn up against Pak with scores of 50+. I'm dreading this match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    People are getting hyped up. This team will crash out of CT. There is nothing settled about Indian team right now. The established players have taken their place for granted and are underperforming. Case in point Dhoni. He will be in the team. He will not perform. India will lose. Because they cannot make tough decisions.
    Agreed.

    The likes of Pant, Kedar, Pandey should have gotten 20 LOI games by now.

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    S dhawan
    R sharma
    V kohli
    K rahul
    Y Singh
    M dhoni
    H pandya
    R jadeja
    R ashwin
    B Kumar
    M shami

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    Shami and Bhuvi with the new ball and Bumrah with the old is going to be quite a terror in UK. I can see a lot of you folks under estimating the Indian bowlers. All said and done, don't forget what happened in 2013. If any we have a better bowling line up although batting is a littl stagnant with Dhoni and Yuvraj.

    The problem with our Desi countries is we make these cricketers larger than life and then we dont have the b***s to drop them or ask them to retire. Whats happening with Dhoni happened with Sachin too. I fear Dhoni will fail in the CT and call it a day. Ideally though we should select another WK in Pant to replace him in the squad. Also Pandey for Yuvraj in the 11.

    You may laugh at this but Hardik resemebles a very non Indian paceman. He has good pace - 140s, and hits the deck real hard. He was India's best seamer in the recent ODI against Eng. Conditions in Eng should suit him. He will fail though with the bat though there.

    I havent seen the draw but if India are playing Pakistan, I expect them to go after Shadab. Hasan is Pakistan's trump card. Really surprised to see Junaid's name popping up. Havent seen him play a lot of Int. cricket lately. Amir well, What can we say...


    If he bowls with a full sleeve and is an off-spinner, rest assured he chucks. Amen

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    Rohit
    Dhawan
    Kohli
    Yuvi
    Dhoni
    Jadhav
    Pandya
    Jadeja
    Bumrah
    Bhuvi
    Umesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    They will and They should. Even if we ignore the past and who's done what
    At the present scenario - Who's the best wicket keeper ? Dhoni with Saha coming second
    Who's got some leadership experience ? Dhoni , not the rest
    Ability to hit big ? - Dhoni - the other's have had more failures than Dhoni.
    Running between the wickets ? Dhoni

    Your personal emotions are too strong to see logic
    If you dont perform you get kicked out. It is not personal, it is strictly business.
    Leadership - highly overrated and definitely not needed. Team needs one leader only.
    Ability to hit big. You are funny. Dhoni is struggling to score.
    Running between wickets. He can be the runner for a injured player.

    That man Dhoni should not be on the flight to England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHammad View Post
    Rohit
    Dhawan
    Kohli
    Yuvi
    Dhoni
    Jadhav
    Pandya
    Jadeja
    Bumrah
    Bhuvi
    Umesh
    Decent list. Kick Dhoni and Yuvi out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    Decent list. Kick Dhoni and Yuvi out.
    Not my job, its the job of the Indian selectors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    If you dont perform you get kicked out. It is not personal, it is strictly business.
    Leadership - highly overrated and definitely not needed. Team needs one leader only.
    Ability to hit big. You are funny. Dhoni is struggling to score.
    Running between wickets. He can be the runner for a injured player.

    That man Dhoni should not be on the flight to England.
    Well kicking someone out is easy , its hard to find a good enough replacement and purely just going with the wicketkeeping standards - There is none in the team right now of the same calibre as Dhoni. His keeping skills are far better than Saha who's close second.
    Leadership ? I really hope you aren't referring to Kohli because his captaincy is purely clueless . His captaincy wasn't great against Australia and even with RCB he is embarassing himself. Without Dhoni , the team has no direction at this point
    I ain't funny , I just happen to see a bit more of a holisitc picture not just a tunnel vision. IPL isn't the benchmark on how to pick players. Even Yusuf Pathan is hitting big in IPL, would you pick him up too ?
    Dhoni should be one of the first players on that flight

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    I've confidence in Sarfraz the captain. He can single handedly win the match for Pak with his strong captaincy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iHammad View Post
    Not my job, its the job of the Indian selectors
    I have a better chance at asking you. They are morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    Well kicking someone out is easy , its hard to find a good enough replacement and purely just going with the wicketkeeping standards - There is none in the team right now of the same calibre as Dhoni. His keeping skills are far better than Saha who's close second.
    Leadership ? I really hope you aren't referring to Kohli because his captaincy is purely clueless . His captaincy wasn't great against Australia and even with RCB he is embarassing himself. Without Dhoni , the team has no direction at this point
    I ain't funny , I just happen to see a bit more of a holisitc picture not just a tunnel vision. IPL isn't the benchmark on how to pick players. Even Yusuf Pathan is hitting big in IPL, would you pick him up too ?
    Dhoni should be one of the first players on that flight
    Kicking someone out is not easy. I agree in case of Dhoni is easy because he is a bust, total absolute bust. I will wait for a while but today if I have to pick one I would pu Karthick on that flight and the Saha. Dhoni would be on a slowboat to somewhere. His keeping skills maybe marginally better but not really. I know he cannot score.

    Leadership is overrated in cricket. I will not debate that but Dhoni lost his mind several years back when he started bowling. What a fool. That time he should have been on a flight next day to India.

    IPL is the best benchmark we currently have. You would be a fool to go by Ranji as a benchmark.

    Pathan is not doing anything. Why would I pick him?

    If your wish is true that Dhoni is the first one on that fllight than India would be the first team back on a flight too. This man will cost India some games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    I've confidence in Sarfraz the captain. He can single handedly win the match for Pak with his strong captaincy.
    If you are expecting someone to single handedly win a match then you are in trouble. On a serious note this year I would not be surprised if you win. You have a good team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    Well kicking someone out is easy , its hard to find a good enough replacement and purely just going with the wicketkeeping standards - There is none in the team right now of the same calibre as Dhoni. His keeping skills are far better than Saha who's close second.
    Leadership ? I really hope you aren't referring to Kohli because his captaincy is purely clueless . His captaincy wasn't great against Australia and even with RCB he is embarassing himself. Without Dhoni , the team has no direction at this point
    I ain't funny , I just happen to see a bit more of a holisitc picture not just a tunnel vision. IPL isn't the benchmark on how to pick players. Even Yusuf Pathan is hitting big in IPL, would you pick him up too ?
    Dhoni should be one of the first players on that flight
    U r already banking on his experience, running between wickets, keeping and not on his batting. We will see how that hack performs in champions trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    Well kicking someone out is easy , its hard to find a good enough replacement and purely just going with the wicketkeeping standards - There is none in the team right now of the same calibre as Dhoni. His keeping skills are far better than Saha who's close second.
    Leadership ? I really hope you aren't referring to Kohli because his captaincy is purely clueless . His captaincy wasn't great against Australia and even with RCB he is embarassing himself. Without Dhoni , the team has no direction at this point
    I ain't funny , I just happen to see a bit more of a holisitc picture not just a tunnel vision. IPL isn't the benchmark on how to pick players. Even Yusuf Pathan is hitting big in IPL, would you pick him up too ?
    Dhoni should be one of the first players on that flight
    Without dhoni our test team is really clueless isn't it? Why can't we beg dhoni the master strategist to play tests as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    U r already banking on his experience, running between wickets, keeping and not on his batting. We will see how that hack performs in champions trophy.
    You are giving Dhoni too much credit. His keeping is not a whole lot better. I can name 4 wktkeepers who are batting better than him.

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