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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    fact: he was not in top 10 to top 20 scorers in last two domestic odi tournaments.
    ur argument is well answered by MMHS in post #205 and that is aso reason why pak cant a have batsmen who has the skill set to succeed against top 5 sides and not the domestic stats..

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    Umar Amin has been given 2 matches at top 3 and another innings at 4 since 2013

    Peter Rose needs to better research. Some batsmen are not good enough to play at 6

    Umin has not been given a fair chance at top oreer

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    This kid Mudassar is grooming into a typical PAK pacer oblate - rubbish with new ball & good to great with old one. Unless domestic wicket changes, PAK's new ball attack will become less skilled than BD in few years time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No PAK batsman has that back lift & bat swing. In fact apart from Tamim, I doubt how many in world cricket has
    i am a medical professional watch cricket but never played regular cricket and i can see many positives in his batting....360 arc..high back lift....elegent...super fitness and equally good against spinner and pacers but inzi cant...i dont know why why....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamaadqureshi819 View Post
    Watch out for Hamal Wahab, a solid fast bowler. Huh
    His profile on cricinfo shows slow left armer.
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...er/594388.html
    Well, not far off then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    ur argument is well answered by MMHS in post #205 and that is aso reason why pak cant a have batsmen who has the skill set to succeed against top 5 sides and not the domestic stats..
    No its not. thats an opinion. A superior technique does not fail you in domestics and makes you magically successful in international. a superior technique may make you last longer than a hack at international cricket, but if your list A average is 35, its well earned.
    Anyhow good start for him, a few matches more to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Umar Amin has been given 2 matches at top 3 and another innings at 4 since 2013

    Peter Rose needs to better research. Some batsmen are not good enough to play at 6

    Umin has not been given a fair chance at top oreer
    Sure. thats what held him back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    He was picked to fail & that is been used as an excuse for eternity. In 2010, English summer was one of the wettest & he has sent to bat at 3 in a line up that had Frahat-Butt opener & Umar at 4. In similar condition, check what that English attack did to much vaunted Indian batting line up a year later.

    Since then, I ma not sure if he has played 3 consecutive matches. Last time I saw him is in UAE - got bowled to an absolute beauty from Strac. I must add that only PAK & it's think tank can send a batsman with his core at 6 .......
    ur every post saves my time to type here to reply Amin criticizers...pakistanis think tank these days never have the eye to judge a talent for instance when they select Riffat, send bilal to open, hafeez to open in tests and make him the first choice slip fielder, pick hacks like Mukthar, awais zia etc...

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    Umer Amin is a very likable lad but the guy at the higher or even lower levels cant bat for toffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacesensation View Post
    really! i dont think he bowls that much

    I heard pcb guys saying that its expenive to play in uae. They are looking for alternative route bang lanka and eng.

    Lanka does not bring lots of spectators. Eng will not rent out their top tier grounds to pakistan unless pak hires a great marketing guy who can persuade them. ( i know butt messed it up for pakistan in 2010 )

    Bangladesh, about bangladesh they said that if they approve then bangladesh will bring in lots of spectators. Not sure whether bangladesh will agree to this
    BCB will jump into that - problem is, you don't see politics of PCB, who'll offer a proposition that's not lucrative enough for the hassle of security arrangements & other expenses - same PCB is happy to arrange cricket in UAE at loss. If PCB comes with an acceptable offer, this is the best place for PAK team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Sure. thats what held him back.
    can u tell why he wasnt given another chance as an opener after his first chance against SA in SA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Umer Amin is a very likable lad but the guy at the higher or even lower levels cant bat for toffee.
    Pretty soft cricketer from what I have seen in international cricket. Apparently knows how to hold a bat but cant score enough runs BECAUSE of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamaadqureshi819 View Post
    Watch out for Hamal Wahab, a solid fast bowler. Huh
    His profile on cricinfo shows slow left armer.
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...er/594388.html
    He's a fast bowler unless I muddled up his name with someone else.

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    Umar amin equals his highest score in List A cricket.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    can u tell why he wasnt given another chance as an opener after his first chance against SA in SA...
    can you tell me why he score 9(9) and 13 (38) the last time he opened in domestics?
    Can you tell me my why he is nowhere in the top 15 or top 20 scorers in domestic cricket in the last two domestic cricket?
    can you tell me why he averages 35 in list A if he has this great technique

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    This kid Mudassar is grooming into a typical PAK pacer oblate - rubbish with new ball & good to great with old one. Unless domestic wicket changes, PAK's new ball attack will become less skilled than BD in few years time.
    the ability to excel at using new ball was never forte of pakistani bowlers i think. Apart from Amir and Asif, i do not remember anyone in last 15 years who was good at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    i am a medical professional watch cricket but never played regular cricket and i can see many positives in his batting....360 arc..high back lift....elegent...super fitness and equally good against spinner and pacers but inzi cant...i dont know why why....
    yes would like to see the wagon wheel for this inns.. shots all round the park... excellent batting from Amin..

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    Ghulam Muddasar is so ordinary

    We have no young fast bowlers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Nope. He was not in the top 25 or top 30 run scoring aggregates of Pakistan Cup 2015 or 2016. Maybe this time he will perform what everyone imagines his past performance to be.
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pentangu...ch/814637.html
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pentangu...ch/814643.html


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    Pakistan think tank wasted so many years on Younis,Shafiq, Kamran, Farhat, etc when they should have invested in Umar Amin and Harris Sohail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Ghulam Muddasar is so ordinary

    We have no young fast bowlers
    Bashir and Sultan are good upcoming prospects.

    Mudassar is raw, not ordinary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacesensation View Post
    the ability to excel at using new ball was never forte of pakistani bowlers i think. Apart from Amir and Asif, i do not remember anyone in last 15 years who was good at that.
    Since MoYo -I haven't seen a single PAK batsman apart from Asad & Amin, who can play through off side on the rise. Compared to Amin, Fakhar looks like a Maruti against a Lamborghini Avantador, and he has far better domestic stats, Manzoor as well.

    It might be a blessing in Sharjeel's case that, he might end as a Mukaddar ka Sikander in PAK cricket, otherwise after a year or two of regular International cricket when team would have got hours of his batting footage, you would have seen his batting .....

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    highest score for Amin in list-A

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    2015 was his best year
    He was given a contract by PCB and Pakistan A captain but injury at the wrong time for the A tour. He had to restart all over again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    its not the Pakistan cup
    The name is changed - concept same. Top 75 players playing under 5 state names.

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    Arsal Sheikh playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    its not the Pakistan cup
    Do some home work brother.

    Last year Pentangular cup was renamed as Pakistan Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Bashir and Sultan are good upcoming prospects.

    Mudassar is raw, not ordinary.
    i think only Ehtesham Sultan is someone who appears to have "IT"

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    2015 was his best year
    He was given a contract by PCB and Pakistan A captain but injury at the wrong time for the A tour. He had to restart all over again
    Yes, some privileges are reserved for MoHa ....

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    havent seen inzi and his team in the ground so far which is worrying for me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    its not the Pakistan cup
    There was no Pakistan Cup in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasy View Post
    Do some home work brother.

    Last year Pentangular cup was renamed as Pakistan Cup.
    and how does that change the fact that umar amin scored no runs in it last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    There was no Pakistan Cup in 2015.
    I am aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Since MoYo -I haven't seen a single PAK batsman apart from Asad & Amin, who can play through off side on the rise. Compared to Amin, Fakhar looks like a Maruti against a Lamborghini Avantador, and he has far better domestic stats, Manzoor as well.

    It might be a blessing in Sharjeel's case that, he might end as a Mukaddar ka Sikander in PAK cricket, otherwise after a year or two of regular International cricket when team would have got hours of his batting footage, you would have seen his batting .....
    I was talking about new ball bowlers actually.
    But ok,

    I have a feeeling that Fakhar might score 70 to 100 against punjab's bowling attack since punjabs attack is pretty weak
    Last edited by pacesensation; 16th April 2017 at 11:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacesensation View Post
    i think only Ehtesham Sultan is someone who appears to have "IT"
    Here's hoping a domestic side signs him this year.

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    Amin can get a double today !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    The name is changed - concept same. Top 75 players playing under 5 state names.
    6 team this time I think.
    You are right though. but then its always been an issue as to which tournament to assign performance value to.
    back on point. run for amin 2015, nothing in 2016, and 2017 before this match.

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    what i liked is he is playing at 100+ sr throughout the innings.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Beautiful shot over cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    can you tell me why he score 9(9) and 13 (38) the last time he opened in domestics?
    Can you tell me my why he is nowhere in the top 15 or top 20 scorers in domestic cricket in the last two domestic cricket?
    can you tell me why he averages 35 in list A if he has this great technique
    i feel that is a temperamental issue but then and now he has the skill set to play shots on 360 arc...not one of his shot that i can think of being an ugly hoick or slog as UA or AS usually do...excellent footwork, timing... one more thing is that he plays a few loose shot quite often after looking so good and well settled at the crease...a player like him was rohit sharma and look what india did with him....

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    Domestic coaches have completely ruined Azizullah, I mean look at that terrible run-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    The name is changed - concept same. Top 75 players playing under 5 state names.
    If the First Class Pak games were structured like this on better wickets, would you agree that Pakistan would prosper highly?

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    Technically, this is not the worst attack for Balooch - their 3 pacers are PAK A starter, while their left-arm spinner was picked for National camp & their offie all-rounder is A team's batting all-rounder.

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    You can tell the standard of the cricket when somebody as average as Yamim takes 3 top order wickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    i feel that is a temperamental issue but then and now he has the skill set to play shots on 360 arc...not one of his shot that i can think of being an ugly hoick or slog as UA or AS usually do...excellent footwork, timing... one more thing is that he plays a few loose shot quite often after looking so good and well settled at the crease...a player like him was rohit sharma and look what india did with him....
    rohit sharma has a list a average of 40. this guy was averaging 34 before the innings today.
    Point is he has deserved not to be part of the squad thus far. Great start to this tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Domestic coaches have completely ruined Azizullah, I mean look at that terrible run-up.
    Is that the same bowler who played some years ago in the U-19 tournament where India just managed to sneak through against us at the last wicket ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Technically, this is not the worst attack for Balooch - their 3 pacers are PAK A starter, while their left-arm spinner was picked for National camp & their offie all-rounder is A team's batting all-rounder.
    This is fine attack.

    Yamin is good with new ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    I am aware.
    So you should be aware that if you're a spreadsheet statistician of domestics, he had done very well in domestics.

    So, let's cut out the argument that 'but but but he didn't top the spreadsheets in domestics'.

    We know his ability is one of the BEST in Pakistan, plus he has good scores too to satisfy those who make selections based on statsguru.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Is that the same bowler who played some years ago in the U-19 tournament where India just managed to sneak through against us at the last wicket ???
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    So you should be aware that if you're a spreadsheet statistician of domestics, he had done very well in domestics.
    he hasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    and how does that change the fact that umar amin scored no runs in it last year.
    Because he didn't play the tournament.

    Before that in the domestic season he was in the top 3 run getters IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz95 View Post
    If the First Class Pak games were structured like this on better wickets, would you agree that Pakistan would prosper highly?
    5 teams is too less for a population if 200 mn & main game being cricket. Ideally, there should be 2 tier of FC Cricket - 6-8 teams with top 100 players & a 2nd tier with 25-40 teams. Still it's happening through Patrons Cup, but same players play in both tournaments, which doesn't help. Top 100 players has to play only against each others for a prolonged period, under some sort of central contract, so that they can focus only on cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Here's hoping a domestic side signs him this year.
    He might play for lahore qalandar in 2018 psl. If he delivers then he might get a call up for pak t20. But only if he plays for lahore qalandar.

    Someone needs to send his bowling clips to fb pages to share the by paying them a few thousands. This way people will know about him, talk about him. Talk about him in dawn sports comments etc

    Here comes gulam muddasir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Yes.
    Good Lord !!

    What did they do with this lad ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasy View Post
    Because he didn't play the tournament.

    Before that in the domestic season he was in the top 3 run getters IIRC.
    he played the departmental one-day cup this year, last two matches. failed in both. you dont magically end up with an average of 35, you earn it.
    if he didnt play then he wasnt good enough to be selected by his domestic team
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    Ghulam Mudassar is the oldest looking 17 year old I've ever seen.


    'We know which Pakistan has turned up today...'

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    what i liked is he is playing at 100+ sr throughout the innings.
    and 2 reasons for that.
    one he is not playing for himself like Salman Butt
    and 2nd he has the shots to bat at 100+ sr throughout the innings.

    Really hope he has worked on his defence and price his wicket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    This is fine attack.

    Yamin is good with new ball.
    This is not a good attack dude. How do you accept an average spinner, a part time slow left arm. A trundler right armer as a good attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    rohit sharma has a list a average of 40. this guy was averaging 34 before the innings today.
    Point is he has deserved not to be part of the squad thus far. Great start to this tournament.
    did u see indian attacks and domestic pitches..many things coms in here..but if u dont accept been wasted then i think no one will take it seriously....

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    Fishing outside the off stump ????

    He tried to wack that #smh......Commies are absolutely brainless !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Good Lord !!

    What did they do with this lad ????
    Coaching, Pakistani style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanAndGreen View Post
    Ghulam Mudassar is the oldest looking 17 year old I've ever seen.
    Your eye must be betraying you - in last 5/6 years, PCB is using some space age technology to filter out age chits ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Good Lord !!

    What did they do with this lad ????
    What happened to him

    he was bowling in late 120s and now he is bowling between 120 and 133. Never looked like a genuine fast bowler

    I am curious, what happened to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    5 teams is too less for a population if 200 mn & main game being cricket. Ideally, there should be 2 tier of FC Cricket - 6-8 teams with top 100 players & a 2nd tier with 25-40 teams. Still it's happening through Patrons Cup, but same players play in both tournaments, which doesn't help. Top 100 players has to play only against each others for a prolonged period, under some sort of central contract, so that they can focus only on cricket.
    I see. But the two main issues as you have semi highlighted yourself is the lack of the quality players playing eachother and awful wickets.

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    What a Yorker !!!

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    Actually Azizullah is a better new ball bowler. He cannot bowl at death. They should have picked another fast bowler for death bowling while Azizullah should have been bowled out before 40 overs

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacesensation View Post
    What happened to him

    he was bowling in late 120s and now he is bowling between 120 and 133. Never looked like a genuine fast bowler

    I am curious, what happened to him?
    He is tall and Lanky and during that tournament he was hovering around 78-80 mph.....

    Why is it that almost half a decade later, someone who is around 6'3 - 6'4 still bowls at the same pace ???

    Where's the development and we are seeing him represent the regional XI for a province in the country...

    What the Heck....... !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    did u see indian attacks and domestic pitches..many things coms in here..but if u dont accept been wasted then i think no one will take it seriously....
    I am not sure how to take argument seriously, when someone is putting down in Indian domestics vs. Pakistan considering the ocean of difference between India and Pakistan it produces in batting talent at international level.
    Maybe you jest.

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    Please make 200

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacesensation View Post
    What happened to him

    he was bowling in late 120s and now he is bowling between 120 and 133. Never looked like a genuine fast bowler

    I am curious, what happened to him?
    He was never express but he had that ability to seam and swing the ball around.

    Domestic coaches in a bid to increase his pace have told the guy to run in faster, which obviously isn't working. All the coaches have managed to done is completely ruin his flow through the crease.

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    This is the first domestic tournament in Pakistan in 2017 to be held in proper batting conditions. Prior to this everything was played in winter in the north.
    We should expect plenty of 300 scores

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    he played the departmental one-day cup this year, last two matches. failed in both. you dont magically end up with an average of 35, you earn it.
    if he didnt play then he wasnt good enough to be selected by his domestic team
    For heaven's sake remember Pentangular/Pakistan cup is not a departmental cup.

    He didn't play in that competition because he was injured not because he didn't merit a place.

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    Umar Akmal gone into hiding.

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    150 for :CLH:


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    He is tall and Lanky and during that tournament he was hovering around 78-80 mph.....

    Why is it that almost half a decade later, someone who is around 6'3 - 6'4 still bowls at the same pace ???

    Where's the development and we are seeing him represent the regional XI for a province in the country...

    What the Heck....... !!

    It was not a decade lol it was 2012 i think. Jacob Oram had same heigth and his pace was same at 18 and at 23. Not everyone gets faster as they age

    He is a line and length bowler not an express fast bowler

    for express fast, you should look at Ehtesham Sultan.

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    Why Amin doesn't open? I think, in his U19 career, he used to open (Umar as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasy View Post
    For heaven's sake remember Pentangular/Pakistan cup is not a departmental cup.

    He didn't play in that competition because he was injured not because he didn't merit a place.
    I am not sure what your point is: I dint assign his rubbis average. He earned that himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    I am not sure how to take argument seriously, when someone is putting down in Indian domestics vs. Pakistan considering the ocean of difference between India and Pakistan it produces in batting talent at international level.
    Maybe you jest.
    yes it does how many 300 scores happen here in pak domestic..soft pitches with low bounce and thundlers getting 5fer...i am not that expert but say from what i can observe....

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