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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No, I am just following scores in patches (& a little of IPL whenever possible )

    But, I knew many months back that had MoHa/Malik not been holing on to their spot, Salman would have played for PAK by now. In fact, he was one of my picks for Test team in WI & ODI team in AUS. Now WI has called 4 lefties in top 7 & you'll see the fun when 3 left-arm pacers backed by a leggi & a SLAO (or 2nd leggi) triers to beat their stretched front foot outside the off line ....... Only it's possible for PCB to pick 3 lefti pacer attack & no off spinner against a barrage of lefti batsmen on wickets that's expected to crumble from the foot mark of 3 left arm pacers.

    If you tell this to Inzamam, it'll blow couple of feet above his 6'3" figure for the height of his 500 Internationals for PAK ..........
    i have watched agha salaman..decent offie and his batting needs work..he is ordinary against the short ball rest is ok but at the end evry pakistani batsman struggle agsint the short ball...micky can sort it out..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Even Viv was platinum one reason being he had gold like Grineedge/Haynes coming before him & steel like Lloyd at 4 - moral of the story is unless it's Larke Lenge style thoughts, cricket is a team game, where everyone is part of the strategy.

    From scorecard, I can tell you that if I was the Manager, Sindh's top 3 had batted their last match under me ........
    u did not say something about hassan???why did he play when he was a specialist fielder..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No, I am just following scores in patches (& a little of IPL whenever possible )

    But, I knew many months back that had MoHa/Malik not been holing on to their spot, Salman would have played for PAK by now. In fact, he was one of my picks for Test team in WI & ODI team in AUS. Now WI has called 4 lefties in top 7 & you'll see the fun when 3 left-arm pacers backed by a leggi & a SLAO (or 2nd leggi) triers to beat their stretched front foot outside the off line ....... Only it's possible for PCB to pick 3 lefti pacer attack & no off spinner against a barrage of lefti batsmen on wickets that's expected to crumble from the foot mark of 3 left arm pacers.

    If you tell this to Inzamam, it'll blow couple of feet above his 6'3" figure for the height of his 500 Internationals for PAK ..........
    exactly

    but in reality wait till moha score another century in pakistan cup he will be on his way to w.i

    sad state of affair

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    u did not say something about hassan???why did he play when he was a specialist fielder..
    He was serving his purpose perfectly - specialist youngster, he was picked for the statuary requirement of one young player. In couple of years time, if he learns what can get him into a FC team, he'll survive - if he performs reasonably on field & admirably off it, then may be another 2 years, he'll play for PAK after revising age for one more time to debut at the tender age of 20-21 - then if he can keep contacts happy, he can carry till official 38, when, his 1st kid will be almost ready for FC cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    exactly

    but in reality wait till moha score another century in pakistan cup he will be on his way to w.i

    sad state of affair
    In a professional world, MoHa won't have played in such tournaments, which is basically a trial for CT teams. He is certain to play in CT regardless of what he does in PAK Cup (or dropped, at this point, domestic scores are immaterial for senior players), therefore, that No. 3 spot should have been given to Talat or Haris.

    And, I have always felt that Shialkot has produced some of the best young players in recent times, because of Captain Malik (some of them are lost by now because of bad treatment later) - business usual, anyone else would have batted at 3 or 4 for that average FATA side & piled up cheap runs, which MoHa is doing & today, instead of Saad, they sent Haksood at 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    In a professional world, MoHa won't have played in such tournaments, which is basically a trial for CT teams. He is certain to play in CT regardless of what he does in PAK Cup (or dropped, at this point, domestic scores are immaterial for senior players), therefore, that No. 3 spot should have been given to Talat or Haris.

    And, I have always felt that Shialkot has produced some of the best young players in recent times, because of Captain Malik (some of them are lost by now because of bad treatment later) - business usual, anyone else would have batted at 3 or 4 for that average FATA side & piled up cheap runs, which MoHa is doing & today, instead of Saad, they sent Haksood at 3.
    it is alarming because i am noticing that now who much these seniors have backing and destroying our

    cricket .did this exist also in other cricketing nation or pakistan is way ahead of other ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Even Viv was platinum one reason being he had gold like Grineedge/Haynes coming before him & steel like Lloyd at 4 - moral of the story is unless it's Larke Lenge style thoughts, cricket is a team game, where everyone is part of the strategy.

    From scorecard, I can tell you that if I was the Manager, Sindh's top 3 had batted their last match under me ........
    Top 3 lost them the match. But guy whose side wins gets the glory. Hence pointing over tendulkar in odis for me

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    MATCH THREE
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    ***PINDI STADIUM, RAWALPINDI

    Baluchistan 298-7 in 50 overs: (Fakhar Zaman 59, 7x4s, 69 balls, Sahibzada Farhan 54, 9x4s, 57 balls, Aamir Yamin 52*, 3x4s, 3x6s, 37 balls, Saad Ali 35, 3x4s, 1x6, 47 balls, Salman Ali Agha 34, 1x4, 1x6, 32 balls, Rameez Aziz 29, 1x4, 39 balls, Muhammad Nawaz 2-49, Rumman Raees 2-66)


    Sindh 279-7 in 50 overs: (Fawad Alam 130, 13x4s, 117 balls, Anwar Ali 36, 3x4s, 34 balls, Khurram Manzoor 34, 4x4s, 59 balls, Muhammad Hassan 29, 1x4, 29 balls, Akbar-ur-Rehman 21, 1x4, 26 balls, Aamir Yamin 2-40, Khalid Usman 2-48)


    Result: Baluchistan won by 19 runs
    Toss: Sindh
    Man of the Match: joint Aamir Yamin (Balochistan) & Fawad Alam (Sindh)
    Umpires: Ahsan Raza & Ghaffar Kazmi
    TV Umpires: Ahmed Shahab
    Referee: Muhammad Javed
    Scorer: Shakeel Ahmed
    Press Scorer: Adnan Farooq


    Sindh Team: Anwar Ali*, Khurram Manzoor, Asif Zakir, Fawad Alam, Muhammad Hassan (WK), Akbar-ur-Rehman, Muhammad Nawaz, Umar Gul, Zain Abbas, Ruman Raees, Hassan Mohsin

    Baluchistan Team: Fakhar Zaman*, Sohaib Maqsood, Bismillah Khan (WK), Saad Ali, Aziz Ullah, Aamir Yamin, Ghulam Mudasir, Khalid Usman, Agha Salman, Sahibzada Farhan, Rameez


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    In a professional world, MoHa won't have played in such tournaments, which is basically a trial for CT teams. He is certain to play in CT regardless of what he does in PAK Cup (or dropped, at this point, domestic scores are immaterial for senior players), therefore, that No. 3 spot should have been given to Talat or Haris.

    And, I have always felt that Shialkot has produced some of the best young players in recent times, because of Captain Malik (some of them are lost by now because of bad treatment later) - business usual, anyone else would have batted at 3 or 4 for that average FATA side & piled up cheap runs, which MoHa is doing & today, instead of Saad, they sent Haksood at 3.
    Hafeez needs to play because the hope is he can carry the confidence of good form with him. Basically it's about betting against his 15 years of mental frailty when facing big teams and big tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    Hassan Mohsin batting at 11.. Am I dreaming or what ??how cd u hv himmat at 11. For god sake he's a proper bat who cd roll over his arm frequently.. He wasn't even tried as a bowler.. I wonder why is he in the team then ??
    he is not a senior... like a tanvir did to hammad... anwar ali doing to hasan mohsin... first of all why this crap player made captain is completely out of the box...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Hafeez needs to play because the hope is he can carry the confidence of good form with him. Basically it's about betting against his 15 years of mental frailty when facing big teams and big tournaments.
    It doesn't work that way - these cheap runs shouldn't matter much for someone in PAK team already. For Amin or Fawad, it's a different story, just like it was for Kamran & Ahmed in past domestic tournaments; because it's an audition for them.

    By the way, what you are saying has an opposite as well - if MoHa gets couple of single digit score - should it dent his confidence & should PAK drop him for that perceived lack of confidence? MoHa had been bashing soft teams for his entire career - even when he was playing at 50/85 stats in UAE, his outside Asia stats read 25/70 or so during his purple patch; if I take out his Gold Digging ZIMbok tour of 2013, it might come down to below 20/60 level, when he was at his brilliant best; therefore, it's a clear lack of ability & willingness (other way, being selfish), not a matter of confidence.

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    That target ought to have been chased. Khurrum's innings was an abomination whilst Fawad started too slowly.

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    Khurram Manzoor single handedly is responsible for this defeat.....
    wasnt Hasan Mohsin a batsman???
    what is he doing at 8?????????


    Sarfaraz, Babar, Shehzad, Haris, Talat, Fakhar, Umar.

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    I'm glad both Manzoor and Zakir failed. They were just playing for their stats and to get to a respectable personal score so that Inzi will notice them. Absolute garbage mentality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Looks like Sindh is going to lose this match for
    Manzoor 34 (59)
    Zain 5 (12)
    Zakir 3 (13)

    That's 42 of 84 by Top 3, covering entire PP (Zakir went at 10'4 overs). This is same across every level in PAK cricket - see through the new ball for non existent swing & seem, even in 325 per condition . Yesterday was same - didn't see, but Imran Butt must have been praised by Basit Alis for his high elbow, steady head ........ Unless, this is hammered into the Thick skull that March 1992 was more than 25 years back, don't think it'll improve. Middle order is the least problem - there are half a dozen players who are perfect for No. 4, 5; but none for top 3. One Babar can be accommodated in top 3, as he averages in 50s (that's why his SR it 90+ - he stays long enough; also, more or less by 25th ball his SR reaches 80+), but this MoHa, Shehzad, KAkmal, Fakar won't work.
    Have to think differently - may be Umar & Amin to Open & Haris at 4.
    Problem with MoHa is that, he is capable of a quick fire 35 of 23 in PP, but he is the most selfish player I have ever seen, which often costs even himself, because unless he plays 50 balls, he is almost like a small budget horror movie.
    Umar is a lost cause, cant take him until he realizes what he needs to do as a batsman /player..he was away from the team and havent played an ODI since the CWC'15, WI series was his first comeback to squad didnt get a game then got his chance in AUS didnt impress and now dropped for fitness and he is not worried about that at all...What mudassar nazar did was right..

    Amin is the perfect to open, as hafeez not going anywhere will play till 2019 for sure and if he opens he will fail against minimal amount of swing... better to play both Amin and Haris two left handers at the top and leave hafeez at 4...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    it is alarming because i am noticing that now who much these seniors have backing and destroying our

    cricket .did this exist also in other cricketing nation or pakistan is way ahead of other ??
    just check the parosis, be it india or bangladesh... If it is pak sehwag, gambhir, Yuvraj, Ashraful would be playing till 2023....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It doesn't work that way - these cheap runs shouldn't matter much for someone in PAK team already. For Amin or Fawad, it's a different story, just like it was for Kamran & Ahmed in past domestic tournaments; because it's an audition for them.

    By the way, what you are saying has an opposite as well - if MoHa gets couple of single digit score - should it dent his confidence & should PAK drop him for that perceived lack of confidence? MoHa had been bashing soft teams for his entire career - even when he was playing at 50/85 stats in UAE, his outside Asia stats read 25/70 or so during his purple patch; if I take out his Gold Digging ZIMbok tour of 2013, it might come down to below 20/60 level, when he was at his brilliant best; therefore, it's a clear lack of ability & willingness (other way, being selfish), not a matter of confidence.
    Yes, we both agree hafeez should be nowhere near the national team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Umar is a lost cause, cant take him until he realizes what he needs to do as a batsman /player..he was away from the team and havent played an ODI since the CWC'15, WI series was his first comeback to squad didnt get a game then got his chance in AUS didnt impress and now dropped for fitness and he is not worried about that at all...What mudassar nazar did was right..

    Amin is the perfect to open, as hafeez not going anywhere will play till 2019 for sure and if he opens he will fail against minimal amount of swing... better to play both Amin and Haris two left handers at the top and leave hafeez at 4...
    he is talking about about umar amin i think??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    he is talking about about umar amin i think??
    he said Umar & Amin...

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    Great knock by Fawad.

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    Sindh could have been the winners today, had they played faster in the opening overs.

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    ^^ Both Umar & Amin.

    The idea is to play 3 attacking players, who can reach 100+ SR by 35th ball on a 300 per ground & one master player to hold the innings at a decent SR, which has to be over 80, good if it's 85+.

    2nd objective is good diversity in batting order, at least one lefti (or 3, other way) in top 4, better if it's 2/2. Both Umar & Amin has the game to hit boundaries - if we analyze Fawad & Amin's innings, actually Fawad had a better SR, for his outstanding shot productivity (opposite to dot ball %), while Amin hit 5 Sixes, I believe. Both are on same ground & against same attack, which indicates individual hitting ability. Between Fawad & Haris, I'll always take Haris, because of his power game, though Fawad adds much more in fielding & running, both are probably at same level with ball.

    Problem for PAK openers (Ahmed) is that, they simply can't hit boundaries against decent balls, while half of the loose balls ends like a trace of bullet to an inner fielder, too good even to get a single. Kamran's problem is that he is too limited technically & in array of shots - one good day he'll blast 40-50 at 140+SR, but he is not the guy to score 100 or 125, technically too limited to score against spinners or against 4 fielders at line. Fakhar is a mix of both KAkmal & Ahmed - he has good shots, but extremely limited in options; in both matches, he slowed down considerably after the PP, because of lack of proper shots in his stock.

    PAK is determined to bring Umar & Azhar in the squad, therefore I see best use of Umar as opener, at least he won't do Azhar or Shezad like damage. However, since MoHa is destined to start, he should open with Amin, BUT, he must he talked 1-2-1 regarding his role as opener, his motive as a senior player & expectation. In these days of 300+ per ODI, there are several openers in PAK who can score a nice 38 of 58 balls, playing entire PP.

    So far, in both chases, it's evident that top 3 are playing for their score, rather than what is possible & what is expected in last 25 overs. At this level, I don't think any player is that dumb not to realize that slogging has an elasticity - no matter how many wickets are at hand, max 200 in last 25 overs is possible to chase, that too on a 350 wicket; which in other words, at mid point (25 overs), 150 is bare minimum to chase anything over 325. Better, 150/1, if not 153/4 is better than even 111/0.

    Another interesting development in the game that I have noticed is that, the game has altered it's role for top 6 players - apart from very few like Viv or Zaheer; in first 35 years of ODI, batting strategy was that, KPI for top 3 is average - batsmen batting in top 3 was expected to have high average, so that they can hold on to the innings for a considerable period while KPI for batsmen coming at 4-7 was SR - they were expected to blast a quickfire 20 or 30. For that, players like Kapil, Razzak, Afridi, Cairns were like gold. Now the role has altered - teams are looking for a blasting start from top 3 & consolidation from next 3-4. Off course, there are AB, Smith, Kohli, Roots .... who can do both.

    This is because of change in context - chasing 250 on a difficult wicket, I would like my top 3 to take at 180/3 by 40 overs, so that next 3/4 can blast towards win in last 10 overs. Chasing 350 on absolute belter, even 240/3 after 40 would result in a close miss - simply because of slogging elasticity, one can't expect to maintain 12+/over for 10 overs; in other word, every dot ball means next ball requirement is a boundary, which is impossible for 10 overs. Now the strategy is to reach even 290/7 in 40 overs & then one set player can anchor to the target with the help of tail, who are decent these days for run a ball situation on such batting conditions (it was always like that - Wasim, Warne or Marshal would have doubled their average in such condition).

    This is the biggest missing link in PAK LO team, which sadly is way behind in thoughts & ideas. Even SRL, BD, AFG, WI, IRL or ZIM are loading their top 4 with blasters, may be one grafter like Tamim or Bravo - PAK is trying with Azhar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfu, Shehzad & Babar in top 5 in various orders. It's still better than having Shehzad, MoHa, YK, Misbah, Fawad, Sarfu in top 6. BUT, now that top 4 MUST have to be fixed. I don't mind Ahmed or Azhar opening - BUT, with a specific target for PP, otherwise next match drinks trolley ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sports_Psychologist View Post
    Khurram Manzoor single handedly is responsible for this defeat.....
    wasnt Hasan Mohsin a batsman???
    what is he doing at 8?????????
    #9 actually... came in to bat when 4 balls were left.

    Asif Zakir and Fawad Alam were preferred with the ball.

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