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    Maybe the next time WISDEN, Cricinfo, Bradman, etc will include Younis Khan, Javed Miandad and Imran Khan instead of the likes of Sachin when they create their 2nd 'All Time World XI'. Such a shame those 3 musketeers didn't find a place the first time around.

    P.S. Sorry, Bradman is no more. He can't create a 2nd 'World XI'.
    Last edited by Hitman; 21st April 2017 at 11:41.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Indians are the most gullible people on this planet. All you need to do for them to start throwing rupees your way, is to say a few nice things about Sachin, the IPL or Kohli and Ashwin. Be prepared for a lot of garlands and a forced tilak.

    A good way to make money for any cricketers out there. You can mock them afterwards, if you wish.


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    Let the conspiracy theories start. That's the only way to counter those lists, after all.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    All hail mighty Khan. It is a disrespect comparing him to a mere mortal.

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    Conspiracy theories exist only as long as an Indian player finds a place in a prestigious list. The moment someone like Allan Border speaks a few good words about Wasim Akram, it becomes a quote from the 'Bible'


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Indians are the most gullible people on this planet. All you need to do for them to start throwing rupees your way, is to say a few nice things about Sachin, the IPL or Kohli and Ashwin. Be prepared for a lot of garlands and a forced tilak.

    A good way to make money for any cricketers out there. You can mock them afterwards, if you wish.
    Exactly! besides, using the wisden list is incredibly hypocritical from their end as it is because they'd never rate The Don over Sachin. Anyhow actual performance provides a clearer picture over subjective opinions in children's magazines; it's easy to overlook match winning ability but Khan has a higher MOM award ratio, better record in the 3rd/4th innings and is more likely to impact a Test then Sachin.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Conspiracy theories exist only as long as an Indian player finds a place in a prestigious list. The moment someone like Allan Border speaks a few good words about Wasim Akram, it becomes a quote from the 'Bible'
    I have never given much weight to the comments of these past cricketers. Especially those that haven't actually faced the cricketer in question. It is one parameter to gauge a player's quality but not the be all, end all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Maybe the next time WISDEN, Cricinfo, Bradman, etc will include Younis Khan, Javed Miandad and Imran Khan instead of the likes of Sachin when they create their 2nd 'All Time World XI'. Such a shame those 3 musketeers didn't find a place the first time around.

    P.S. Sorry, Bradman is no more. He can't create a 2nd 'World XI'.
    Same Wisdon which did not include any of Sachin's test innings in their top 100 innings of all time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Same Wisdon which did not include any of Sachin's test innings in their top 100 innings of all time?
    True, but the same WISDEN also rated him the 2nd greatest Test and ODI batsman of all time in 2002.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    I have never given much weight to the comments of these past cricketers. Especially those that haven't actually faced the cricketer in question. It is one parameter to gauge a player's quality but not the be all, end all.
    Who cares whether you give weightage or not, cuz the rest of the world does.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    The SAME WISDEN did not have any of Sachin soft run scoring Tendulkar's innings in the top 100, also advocates his lack of impact in general. Given the emphasis to the Wisden source by the Indian elders there is no arguing against Sachin's lack of prowess as a match winner.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Sachin probably is the bret hart of cricket, great workhorse but terrible in another area e.g in Bret's case his mic skills; couldn't sell you water even if you were dying of thirst. Likewise Sachin hung around/was-technically-sound and we commend that but he wasn't a great match winner.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Its a great honor for sachin to be mentioned alongside younis and especially in a sentence that includes the term match winner .
    Sachin would gladly give away his career to have the ability to win test matches for his country and score meaningful runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    Khan's aura ? Drinking on the Birmingham kool aid much ? What aura does he have ? His presence in the side has been quite insignificant to Pakistan and to the cricketing fraternity in general. Never seen Younis khan as much of a bother
    Younis has been the BEST Pak test batsman since 2005 over Inzi and Yousuf (exception of record breaking 2006). To say his presence has been insignificant to Pak test team is nothing short of delusional thinking. Infact Younis is top 5 in the last 10-12 years. That's an incredible peak for a guy who didn't have as much natural ability as his contemporaries.

    Younis was and is a bigger impact player in test matches then Sachin whereas Sachin was light years ahead in ODIs, arguably the greatest ODI bat with Kohli on the horizon. YK's conversion ratio and frequency of scoring 100s is up there with the best of the best including cricketing fraternity's Golden boy Bradman.

    So GTHO with your drivel !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr8Gaur View Post
    An aura that has been created by playing majority of cricket in Asia, crying his way to the PAK LOI squad.
    YK has a match winning double in England in the twilight of his career. Had another 170+ on his only other England tour. Scored 175 in Sydney.

    Pak doesn't play a lot overseas for various reasons, quite superficial to hold that against him. On his 2nd and last tour of SA in 2013, YK's scored 115 in a pressure situation. The man can deliver. His recent failure in NZ was an aberration compared to his career norm.

    What this shows is that had YK played more in his prime in these places, there's a good chance he'd have succeeded given his mental make up and ability to score big more often then not.

    Seriously it's like some of y'all can't even troll without being so damn salty.

    A better comparison would be YK vs Dravid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Who cares whether you give weightage or not, cuz the rest of the world does.
    Then stop making posts about what Border said about Wasim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    After that, would there be any category where Sachin beats Younis?
    Try longevity and runs scored.

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    What? Do MOTM awards now replace batting statistics?

    In the game of cricket we have some of the most detailed and selective stats of any sport with only baseball coming close, who cares about damn MOTM awards... they're decided by commentators half the time anyway.
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 22nd April 2017 at 03:41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Sachin probably is the bret hart of cricket, great workhorse but terrible in another area e.g in Bret's case his mic skills; couldn't sell you water even if you were dying of thirst. Likewise Sachin hung around/was-technically-sound and we commend that but he wasn't a great match winner.
    Whenever I saw
    Sachin bat, I didn't see a legend.
    To me he looked like a bowler turned batsman.
    Like Hashim Amla bowling off-spin.

    Guys like Michael Clarke and Umar Akmal looked better to me.

    There is got to be some conspiracy on how Sachin got so many runs...

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    @The_Odd_One

    In the 90's, India was a very weak Test team and thus, it could not win many matches due to which Tendulkar couldn't win enough MoM Awards. He was the best batsman of the decade alongside Lara and Steve Waugh, but India didn't have the bowlers to win Tests frequently away from home.

    In the 2000's, India had a powerhouse batting unit with numerous match-winners. It is not easy to win many MoM Awards when you are playing alongside Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman. Look at some of the high profile series that Pakistan played between 2005-2007; he doesn't have many more MoM Awards compared to MoYo and Inzamam. In fact, MoYo has 7 MoM Awards and he hasn't played since 2010. This shows that he had a bigger impact than Younis when both played together, and that obvious if you look back at the major series that Pakistan played during the 2000's.

    I don't have the numbers, but I believe that most of Younis' MoM Awards have come post 2010. He has been the only quality batsman in the team who has had the ability to score big 100s and 200s. Misbah has never been good enough, Shafiq is inconsistent + bats too low, Sarfraz hasn't scored a hundred since 2014-15 and Azhar didn't start scoring big since 2015. Hafeez has won a few himself but he is not consistent like Younis and a total failure overseas; can't even produce that one big knock like Younis.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan hasn't been a world class team but they have been decent enough to win matches in favourable conditions. Winning MoM Awards becomes relatively easier when you are comfortably the best batsman in a team that is capable of winning matches when the sun shines.

    Remove Younis and put MoYo or Inzamam in the 2010-2017 team, and their MoM Awards will soar up as well. Similarly, put both of them in 2010-2017 team alongside Younis and the latter's MoM Awards will dry up, because both MoYo and Inzamam had the capability of playing big knocks. Look at how many double-hundreds MoYo has; Misbah can barely cross 120.

    More MoM Awards doesn't make Younis a better and more impactful player than Tendulkar. He is not even in the same league.

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