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    The incredible Mr. Younis Khan : His Test averages going into his final series




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    It gives me great solace that this mountain of a man will retire after having dished out a wholesome phainti to the folks who deserve it the most, India.


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    Younis Khan has great, great numbers. Absolutely awesome. I know it's a HUGE ask, but I'm hoping he bats beautifully througjout this series and takes his career average close to 56. I know he has it in him. Just needs a couple of mammoth scores and a few good ones as not out.

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    Also the most catches by a Pakistani fielder.

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    One of the greats of Pakistan's Test history.

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    Haha brilliant average vs India.

    A respectable average vs most teams.

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    Giant, absolute giant. Once Amla and ABD leaves, test cricket will be devoid of its last truly great batsmen. I know Smith and co are working their way towards it but they are still in the middle of their careers.

    Cherish the last remaining giants while you can.

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    a Legend


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    Are these his averages in his last series in these countries? I know he doesn't average 39 in South Africa or 44 in New Zealand.

    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    Giant, absolute giant. Once Amla and ABD leaves, test cricket will be devoid of its last truly great batsmen. I know Smith and co are working their way towards it but they are still in the middle of their careers.

    Cherish the last remaining giants while you can.
    Exactly. Top post. It will truly be a sad day when no test cricket legends are around. Younis, Amla, AB and maybe even Cook are the last of a illustrious, dying breed.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Younis Khan has great, great numbers. Absolutely awesome. I know it's a HUGE ask, but I'm hoping he bats beautifully througjout this series and takes his career average close to 56. I know he has it in him. Just needs a couple of mammoth scores and a few good ones as not out.
    Why 56? I'm hoping he retires with an average of 54, higher than Tendulker's.


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    By the time he scored those runs, we'd already lost the series.


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    Lets hope he retires with a solid performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    With all the previous lessons I'm still due to give you, a basic math lesson.

    An avg of 53.78 in 329 innings (Sachin) maintained over 20 years of cricket is harder to achieve than an average of 53.06 maintained over 207 innings in a much shorter career. I'm sure your not yet known Alma mater must have taught you this.
    Your obsession with me is pitiful when I couldn't give a rat's tail about your life.

    Here's my simple math lesson:

    54.01 > 53.78.

    Here's hoping the bigger number is Younis Khan's test average by the time this series ends. Already averages more than Gavasker and Dravid and if he scores two centuries, will have a higher or equal number of centuries with those two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    By that logic you will even disregard Sir Don Bradman who had an average of 99.94 after playing 80 innings.

    Checkmate

    Poor guy has challenges. Let him be. It's as if Sachin Tendulker ney koi ihsaan kiya hai by playing 200 tests. Those 200 tests meant that he had multiple chances to play in every country, play more matches against the weaker teams, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    Giant, absolute giant. Once Amla and ABD leaves, test cricket will be devoid of its last truly great batsmen. I know Smith and co are working their way towards it but they are still in the middle of their careers.

    Cherish the last remaining giants while you can.
    Smith will end up with higher stature than Amla, AB , YK etc. He has already scored lots of runs in different venues. Comfortably the best test batsman right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Please tell us the real story, what's his average against Australia in Australia, against NZ land , in NZ land and other overseas places. I agree , he is a king in UAE, not beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Are these his averages in his last series in these countries? I know he doesn't average 39 in South Africa or 44 in New Zealand.



    Exactly. Top post. It will truly be a sad day when no test cricket legends are around. Younis, Amla, AB and maybe even Cook are the last of a illustrious, dying breed.



    Why 56? I'm hoping he retires with an average of 54, higher than Tendulker's.
    It is his averages against those opponnents (regardless of where played).

    There is no way he averaged 57 in the Australia Test series - other than is 175, he had a few starts but nothing substantial.

    I do believe he has a Test average of 39 vs SAF. He scored 2 centuries against them when they toured Pakistan in 2007 and another hundred during SAF's tour of the UAE in 2010 but obviously - he struggled in SAF like most Asian batsman.

    YK's average in England is 50+ but his overall average against them is brought down due to the fact that he only scored one century against them (in 2012) in the UAE and Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Please tell us the real story, what's his average against Australia in Australia, against NZ land , in NZ land and other overseas places. I agree , he is a king in UAE, not beyond that.
    50 in Australia, 43 in NZ.

    He has managed to preserve respectable averages in every country except for SA and WI despite his obvious limitations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    It is his averages against those opponnents (regardless of where played).

    There is no way he averaged 57 in the Australia Test series - other than is 175, he had a few starts but nothing substantial.

    I do believe he has a Test average of 39 vs SAF. He scored 2 centuries against them when they toured Pakistan in 2007 and another hundred during SAF's tour of the UAE in 2010 but obviously - he struggled in SAF like most Asian batsman.

    YK's average in England is 50+ but his overall average against them is brought down due to the fact that he only scored one century against them (in 2012) in the UAE and Pakistan.
    You are right. Hopefully, he scores big in this series and gets his average in the West Indies to over 50 as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    50+ average in Australia
    50+ average in England
    43 in New Zealand
    45 in Sri Lanka
    70+ in India
    50+ in Pakistan

    Not that this will change your hate for the great man.



    110 test matches is more than a good sample size. Whatever number of matches Rahul has played is not a good sample size. Stop embarrassing yourself, dude. Have some self-respect.
    Well if you do understand the concept of sample size , Tendulkar has played nearly double the number of games than Younis and has a career span twice as big. For your own convenience , you calculate your own sample size eh , I'm sure you are going in with a 95 % confidence interval as well.

    Also Yuvraj's ODI avg is 36.80 vs Younis's avg 31.24 , so we can conclude that Yuvraj is a better batsman than Younis as well ?

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    Some of those overseas (outside Asia) stats would have helped Pakistan win the series had he not taken the whole series on average to adjust to the conditions. In the last 4 years, he failed in the two difficult pitches in SA, failed in 6 consecutive innings in England, failed disgracefully in NZ, and didn't do much in Australia until the series was over.

    His runs outside Asia have largely been useless and inconsequential, which is the main reason why he never became the central figure in world cricket in spite of outstanding numbers on paper. There have always been 4-5 batsmen who have overshadowed him. A very good Test batsman and a very prolific flat track bully, but far from an ATG. His fans can repeat themselves a thousand times, the truth doesn't change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    50+ average in Australia
    50+ average in England
    43 in New Zealand
    45 in Sri Lanka
    70+ in India
    50+ in Pakistan

    Not that this will change your hate for the great man.



    110 test matches is more than a good sample size. Whatever number of matches Rahul has played is not a good sample size. Stop embarrassing yourself, dude. Have some self-respect.
    Doubt the authencity of these stats, I have very rarely seen him playing a good inning outside Asia. He had inflated his average with runs he piled up on batting friendly wickets against weaker opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    Well if you do understand the concept of sample size , Tendulkar has played nearly double the number of games than Younis and has a career span twice as big. For your own convenience , you calculate your own sample size eh , I'm sure you are going in with a 95 % confidence interval as well.

    Also Yuvraj's ODI avg is 36.80 vs Younis's avg 31.24 , so we can conclude that Yuvraj is a better batsman than Younis as well ?
    no doubt yuvi is a better odi batsman than yk


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mir jibran View Post
    no doubt yuvi is a better odi batsman than yk
    His examples are terrible, aren't they? Who in the world would argue against UVI being a better ODI bat than Younis? Lol. After 70-80 tests, it really doesn't matter how many you play, you have exhibited all your skills and most likely played in all conditions and against every opponent.

    Younis Khan's away performances helped the team draw a series in England and win one in New Zealand. Almost won us a test in South Africa and one in Australia as well. Some people and their hate.


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    Great batsman. Anyone who has scored as many runs as he has possesses the ability to concentrate for long periods of time. Deserving of praise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    His examples are terrible, aren't they? Who in the world would argue against UVI being a better ODI bat than Younis? Lol. After 70-80 tests, it really doesn't matter how many you play, you have exhibited all your skills and most likely played in all conditions and against every opponent.

    Younis Khan's away performances helped the team draw a series in England and win one in New Zealand. Almost won us a test in South Africa and one in Australia as well. Some people and their hate.
    let people say whatever they want to but khan ll be remembered as one of the greatest test bats


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    You are right. Hopefully, he scores big in this series and gets his average in the West Indies to over 50 as well.
    I hope so too!

    The slow and low pitches should suit his style of batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Why 56? I'm hoping he retires with an average of 54, higher than Tendulker's.
    I wouldn't have a problem even if he retired with an average of 52 but I'm hoping he can get it close to 56 because that would make him an undisputed ATG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mir jibran View Post
    no doubt yuvi is a better odi batsman than yk
    And also Rahane with ODI avg of 32.42 better than YK with avg of 31.24 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Beautiful thread title because Super-Human Khan is indeed incredible, he is a once in a generation Pakistani batsman and one of the greatest of all time. People can belittle him based on subjective views but his performances do not create a fallacy of how good he is on any level, the man is an ATG match winner and someone you'd pick to bat for your life because unlike other talents he has the mental fortitude, heart and courage to overcome all odds and not bottle it

    Khan has conquered life itself, cricket was always going to be a walk in the park in comparison despite the immense challenges.

    #ThankYouSuper-Khan

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    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Thank you for your service Sir. Despite what people here might say about his ability, he's enjoyed a good career and should be happy with what he achieved. Will never forget the 2009 WT20 and 313 in Karachi. Our best test bat of the last decade.

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    For whatever reasons he was deprived of a series in NZ, Australia and England when he was at his peak... I.e 2009 and 2010.

    Despite this he is a proven great!
    Some of his innings in Australia, New Zealand and England have been absolutely top drawer. Let's not forget his materclass in India and other equally great knocks in Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    Had others stood up with YK then I have no doubt that we could have had more victories.

    Also, the thing that sets him aside is that when he scores he usually goes big So more often not when YK scores the team usually wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    And also Rahane with ODI avg of 32.42 better than YK with avg of 31.24 ?
    YK was only good in ODI's for a couple of years and that too when he batted at 6.

    It is universally known that YK was poor in ODI's so yes Rahane probably is better then YK in odi's.

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    One of the very best test batsmen to have ever played the game. Will definitely find a place in this decade's test XI with Amla and Sanga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Smith will end up with higher stature than Amla, AB , YK etc. He has already scored lots of runs in different venues. Comfortably the best test batsman right now.
    All that is hypothetical. Right now ,we know who the greats are for sure and they won't be around for much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Are these his averages in his last series in these countries? I know he doesn't average 39 in South Africa or 44 in New Zealand.



    Exactly. Top post. It will truly be a sad day when no test cricket legends are around. Younis, Amla, AB and maybe even Cook are the last of a illustrious, dying breed.



    Why 56? I'm hoping he retires with an average of 54, higher than Tendulker's.
    Just to answer your question, Khan averages 58 in NZ and I think 44 or 45 in SA. Home and away combined, his average against SA increases to 48.

    Not sure where OP got those exact numbers from. As you say, they may well be for recent tours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    Just to answer your question, Khan averages 58 in NZ and I think 44 or 45 in SA. Home and away combined, his average against SA increases to 48.

    Not sure where OP got those exact numbers from. As you say, they may well be for recent tours.
    The averages in OP are his averages against those teams, overall.

    58/44 is incorrect, he averages 43 in NZ and 32.6 in SA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    The averages in OP are his averages against those teams, overall.

    58/44 is incorrect, he averages 43 in NZ and 32.6 in SA.
    Again you are wrong.

    IN NZ he average 57.96

    IN SA he averages 44.57

    Overall, it is 57.57 and 48.22 respectively.

    This is according to cricinfo. I am not sure what your source is. I would screenshot it but I'm lazy. Just have a look for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    Again you are wrong.

    IN NZ he average 57.96

    IN SA he averages 44.57

    Overall, it is 57.57 and 48.22 respectively.

    This is according to cricinfo. I am not sure what your source is. I would screenshot it but I'm lazy. Just have a look for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    Again you are wrong.

    IN NZ he average 57.96

    IN SA he averages 44.57

    Overall, it is 57.57 and 48.22 respectively.

    This is according to cricinfo. I am not sure what your source is. I would screenshot it but I'm lazy. Just have a look for yourself.
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    You're confusing the two.

    The stats above are his figures AGAINST teams, which are the ones in OP.

    The ones below are the ones IN those respective countries.


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    SA: 39.60*

    *:vs Steyn

    Nothing against YK, but maybe indicative of Steyn's ability?

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    You're confusing the two.

    The stats above are his figures AGAINST teams, which are the ones in OP.

    The ones below are the ones IN those respective countries.
    LOL you know what I was confusing? The columns. I was looking at sr not avg lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    LOL you know what I was confusing? The columns. I was looking at sr not avg lol
    Ah right.

    I may be guilty of making the same mistake in the past.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Ah right.

    I may be guilty of making the same mistake in the past.
    haha

    what confuses me is that as good a batsman as YK is, his numbers are better gaainst Aus and England than they are against NZ, even though the kiwis havent quite had the bowling the other two had. Thats what got me. An average of 50+ against them would have suited him better lol

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    going to seriously miss him ... the best Pak test batsman of all time, bonafide ATG. No Pak batsmen played more impact innings more frequently then YK and he loved scoring daddy 100s!

    Was always a treat to watch once he got in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    SA: 39.60*

    *:vs Steyn

    Nothing against YK, but maybe indicative of Steyn's ability?
    Of course. Steyn is a bonafide ATG and arguably one of the top five test pacers of all time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    haha

    what confuses me is that as good a batsman as YK is, his numbers are better gaainst Aus and England than they are against NZ, even though the kiwis havent quite had the bowling the other two had. Thats what got me. An average of 50+ against them would have suited him better lol
    Yeah, he did average 50+ against them before the most recent series he played against them but he was unsuccessful on the lawns that the Kiwis laid out for Pakistan. He's 40 years old so its understandable that he was unable to acclimatize to those pitches, especially when Pakistan's tour match was also rained off.


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    Only time will tell that. But Younis has had a great test career, particularly, the last 6-7 years.One of the greats, if not ATG,even though his game vs pace wasn't that great.

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    Eng 46
    NZ 44.05
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    Apart from these four he had 50+ avg and against WI in WI only 23.44. Its good time for him to close well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Yeah, he did average 50+ against them before the most recent series he played against them but he was unsuccessful on the lawns that the Kiwis laid out for Pakistan. He's 40 years old so its understandable that he was unable to acclimatize to those pitches, especially when Pakistan's tour match was also rained off.
    Ah yeah that would make sense.

    It would be interesting to do a breakdown of YK against the best bowlers of the last 10-15 years.

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    One of the greatest ever to play the game. He isn't hyped like Sachin or Ponting, but he belongs to that league. His technique against spin is legendary. In pressure situations, he is better than Sachin or Lara. All time great!

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    OMG avg above 88 vs India is such a big achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabashahid View Post
    OMG avg above 88 vs India is such a big achievement.
    Absolutely. Balaji and VRV Singh finally met their match!

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    Indians still wounded after the beatings Khan gave India


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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