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  1. #321
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    Chase is an absolute beast player of spin. The way he negotiated Ashwin and Jaddu at peak to save that Test was remarkable.

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    Pakistan will.need to find yasirs replacement soon , he has lost it.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Dukes, Test grade 1; most expensive balls around. WI uses that in domestics as well.
    You can see the difference in quality of ball (compare to UAE)


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    Top pace of 132 km/h for Abbas.

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    Good session for Pakistan but job is not done yet. Need to keep Windies under 200. Won't be easy for our batsmen to cross 200 runs here.


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    When does okay continue?

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    Second ball after play resumes and a wicket. Great start to the session, should be looking to dismiss Windies for under 150.

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    Amir picks up a third. Haters gone AWOL.


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    Good line from Amir.

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    Team Man is a valuable slip catcher.

    Imagine if was there instead.

    Hopefully one of replacements for Younis/Misbah is a reliable slip catcher too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Top pace of 132 km/h for Abbas.
    According to Cricinfo's hawkeye it is 136.5 kph


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    Amir should look to go big here and get a 7fer.

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    Luton on a Pakistan flag in the crowd. Who do we have from Luton on here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    According to Cricinfo's hawkeye it is 136.5 kph
    Must have not been displayed.

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    "For those of you who have been asked. Dug out some speed data on Abbas: he's ranged from around 81-85mph" - Cricinfo


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    Abbas barely touching 130 km/h.

    Must be tiring down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    "For those of you who have been asked. Dug out some speed data on Abbas: he's ranged from around 81-85mph" - Cricinfo
    81 being his average pace and 85 being his fastest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Abbas barely touching 130 km/h.

    Must be tiring down.
    You seem to have some grudges against Abbas.You were constantly hyping that giant Tanvir like trundler so much that many of the posters got extremely excited and then only to be disappointed when they saw him live.
    Abbas has been pretty impressive on his debut.And pace does not matter when one has swing and accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syed abbas View Post
    You seem to have some grudges against Abbas.You were constantly hyping that giant Tanvir like trundler so much that many of the posters got extremely excited and then only to be disappointed when they saw him live.
    Abbas has been pretty impressive on his debut.And pace does not matter when one has swing and accuracy.
    The fact that you think that Mohammad Irfan Jr is a Tanvir clone means you have absolutely no ability to judge a prospect.

    Mohammad Irfan is currently generating all his pace from his shoulders. With the refinement of his action he ca easily reach 140 km/h.

    The same was said about Imran Khan and look at how he got eaten alive in Australia.

    Abbas is decent but no long term prospect.

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    Wahab needs to find form before the CT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    The fact that you think that Mohammad Irfan Jr is a Tanvir clone means you have absolutely no ability to judge a prospect.

    Mohammad Irfan is currently generating all his pace from his shoulders. With the refinement of his action he ca easily reach 140 km/h.

    The same was said about Imran Khan and look at how he got eaten alive in Australia.

    Abbas is decent but no long term prospect.
    To be fair, Irfan Jr. is as mediocre he gets. Has no control whatsoever, bad line and length, wayward, ugly action, no swing, no seam, absolutely nothing. He doesn't have pace either. Bowling 140 KPH isn't much, especially when you are that bad at everything else.

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    Phassst Wahab being smashed to all parts as usual.


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    Yasir shah seems to have lost it after the first test against England last year. Literally

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    Since Amir is regular now, its even more important to have Duke ball in UAE, he can exploit it better than others. I am sure Shadab and Hasan would not mind bowling with Duke(it has better seam), both will like seam that takes time to fade away. There is no reason to continue with Kokabara in home test. Can somebody explain me why we have been using Kokabara??


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    Pak will do well to get WI out under 200.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    The fact that you think that Mohammad Irfan Jr is a Tanvir clone means you have absolutely no ability to judge a prospect.

    Mohammad Irfan is currently generating all his pace from his shoulders. With the refinement of his action he ca easily reach 140 km/h.

    The same was said about Imran Khan and look at how he got eaten alive in Australia.

    Abbas is decent but no long term prospect.
    With the refinement of action or by doing this or that,please keep these hopes away.
    And suppose if Irfan is able to bowl above 140s,what will happen.In the PSL matches,he was not moving the ball by an inch.We do not want another Wahab or Sami.

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    Can someone please tell me why do we keep on Playing Wahab ???

    Guy is as mediocre as it gets !!! #smh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    The fact that you think that Mohammad Irfan Jr is a Tanvir clone means you have absolutely no ability to judge a prospect.

    Mohammad Irfan is currently generating all his pace from his shoulders. With the refinement of his action he ca easily reach 140 km/h.

    The same was said about Imran Khan and look at how he got eaten alive in Australia.

    Abbas is decent but no long term prospect.
    Aqib Javed said that Irfan is right arm version of Sohail Tanveer.Please stop hyping these nothing players.

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    Screen Shot 2017-04-21 at 2.26.18 PM.jpg

    Speed map thus far, Cricinfo has all the details

    Amir ~ 84-88 MPH
    Wahab 86-91 MPH
    Abbas 82-85 MPH (not bad)


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    Why does Wahab keep getting the ball...

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    Yasir and Wahab not looking on form at all. Both should he under pressure for there places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Can someone please tell me why do we keep on Playing Wahab ???

    Guy is as mediocre as it gets !!! #smh
    Because apparently he is fast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by syed abbas View Post
    With the refinement of action or by doing this or that,please keep these hopes away.
    And suppose if Irfan is able to bowl above 140s,what will happen.In the PSL matches,he was not moving the ball by an inch.We do not want another Wahab or Sami.
    Err, he was seaming the ball in the PSL.

    Irfan is extremely raw and is at least 3-4 years being considered for the national side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syed abbas View Post
    Aqib Javed said that Irfan is right arm version of Sohail Tanveer.Please stop hyping these nothing players.
    Where did he say that?

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    Yasir is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    To be fair, Irfan Jr. is as mediocre he gets. Has no control whatsoever, bad line and length, wayward, ugly action, no swing, no seam, absolutely nothing. He doesn't have pace either. Bowling 140 KPH isn't much, especially when you are that bad at everything else.
    He isn't the finished product, just wait and watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Where did he say that?
    I do not remember exactly but I think he said it in an interview
    with a sports journalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    To be fair, Irfan Jr. is as mediocre he gets. Has no control whatsoever, bad line and length, wayward, ugly action, no swing, no seam, absolutely nothing. He doesn't have pace either. Bowling 140 KPH isn't much, especially when you are that bad at everything else.
    You do realize that he has had no proper coaching and used to work as a mechanic/medicine salesman before the Jazz Rising Star Talent hunt, right? Also, he's only 21. I wouldn't call him mediocre, I'd call him raw, with a lot of room for improvement. Exciting nonetheless.


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    [QUOTE=Ellipsism;9203122]Err, he was seaming the ball in the PSL.

    Irfan is extremely raw and is at least 3-4 years being considered for the national side.[/QUOTE
    Only one ball which bowled KP seamed.Others did not move/

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    has Wahab been called for landing on the pitch?


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    [QUOTE=syed abbas;9203137]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Err, he was seaming the ball in the PSL.

    Irfan is extremely raw and is at least 3-4 years being considered for the national side.[/QUOTE
    Only one ball which bowled KP seamed.Others did not move/
    Did you watch his spell against Zalmi?

    The guy has raw potential, whether you see that or not doesn't affect me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    You do realize that he has had no proper coaching and used to work as a mechanic/medicine salesman before the Jazz Rising Star Talent hunt, right? Also, he's only 21. I wouldn't call him mediocre, I'd call him raw, with a lot of room for improvement. Exciting nonetheless.
    I did not know that. Has he played First Class before and why is he not part of the Pakistan Cup?

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    That was very poor from Amir.

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    Non effort from amir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I did not know that. Has he played First Class before and why is he not part of the Pakistan Cup?
    No upcoming pacer is in the Pakistan Cup.

    Ahmed Bashir, Ehtisham Sultan etc. all missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    No upcoming pacer is in the Pakistan Cup.

    Ahmed Bashir, Ehtisham Sultan etc. all missing.
    Pathetic from PCB to not include them. Was really looking forward to watch Sultan.

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    Yasir shah is finished.


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    Should've been taken by Amir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    No upcoming pacer is in the Pakistan Cup.

    Ahmed Bashir, Ehtisham Sultan etc. all missing.
    It's actually better - I have seen few matches by parts on that wicket, if any young bowler is tried, Inzi'll find excuse to keep Gul & Tanvir comfortable for another 5 years.

    On a serious note, I think Adil has improved, while Sameen will definitely bowl better than what Wahab is doing here, with a bit of mentoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Pathetic from PCB to not include them. Was really looking forward to watch Sultan.
    To be fair Sultan has just recently returned to cricket.

    Younus Khan selected him for Abbotabad back when he was 19, bowled an over and hasn't played a game since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It's actually better - I have seen few matches by parts on that wicket, if any young bowler is tried, Inzi'll find excuse to keep Gul & Tanvir comfortable for another 5 years.

    On a serious note, I think Adil has improved, while Sameen will definitely bowl better than what Wahab is doing here, with a bit of mentoring.
    I like Sameen has that attitude about him and that too at a brisk age.

    He's accurate and bowls at a good click.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    I like Sameen has that attitude about him and that too at a brisk age.

    He's accurate and bowls at a good click.
    Unless, he is brought to National set up by 2017, he'll end up as another Asad Ali. I keep telling that Imran's scouting is the only way - find out "boys" who are skilled in "teen age", mentor them for couple of years, some of them will serve for 10-12 years (and lose appetite to retire by 31-32, that's couple years younger than what Wahab, Gul & Sohail's "age" now). This guy Abbas could have been quite handy by now, had he debuted at 21 like Hasan Ali, instead of "27 years & 42 days".

    Fast bowling is extremely physical, only part of cricket that needs the physical condition of other modern games - here, 35 has to be biological 35, at an age when Holding, Lillee & Marshall retired from FC Cricket.
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    Bad bowling by yasir shah
    Last edited by MenInG; 21st April 2017 at 18:57.


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    Yasir Shah is done .

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    Swing gone , amir looking average once again.


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    Yasir bowling rubbish not got into his rhythm yet.

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    I think pressure on Yasir Shah due to Shadab's presence in the squad causing issues


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    id rather give YK a go with his dibbly dobbly trundles.

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    Yasir & Wahab is allowing the game to drift away by gifting easy runs, once you get a side 5 down by lunch,first thing need to do is earn them every run, these 2 are going at 4/over when other 2 at 1.7

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    Roston has us chasing this game.


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    ash take lot of wkt here but best bowler of world geeting smashed loll...

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    @MenInG Well you know what they say if u can't handle the heat then get out of the kitchen. Yasir should rise to this challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    I think pressure on Yasir Shah due to Shadab's presence in the squad causing issues
    Nah, that kind of pressure might add a bit of nerves at the start of a test but it's a non-factor once you're into the game.

    Yasir has had a few injury niggles over the last year or so and that's affected him more than anything else. He was rubbish in Australia and there was no Shadab hype at that time.

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    Yasir n Wahab are absolutely listless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    Roston has us chasing this game.


    Quote Originally Posted by Test fan View Post
    ash take lot of wkt here but best bowler of world geeting smashed loll...
    Two things:

    1) It's the first day of the first test on a quick bowlers pitch.

    2) Rahat Ali isn't playing so I don't know where you're getting this best bowler in the world rubbish from.

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    poor bowling by Yasir and Wahab....


    Sarfaraz, Babar, Shehzad, Haris, Talat, Fakhar, Umar.

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    Give Shafiq a bowl, please.

    Yasir is clueless as heck.


    Hai yeh Josh-e-Junoon, hai yeh apna yaqeen, ke jo tum mein hai dum, woh kisi mein nahin!

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    need another here...


    Sarfaraz, Babar, Shehzad, Haris, Talat, Fakhar, Umar.

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    Dangerous partnership greatly aided hu the likes of Shah and Riaz.

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    The look on Misbah's face

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    Dowrich looks solid. already much better than Ramdin.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Shehzad should bowl a couple of overs here. He's got good wrist spin.

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    Enough of this Wahab's crap , he is been mediocre for most of his career. Need to go with Hasan Ali in the next match

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    50 odd overs into a test series and people are already writing off poor Yasir Shah. Give the guy a break.

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    Shah bowling some great overs of late. Don't know what match you guys are seeing

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    Flat pitch now looks like.

    Easy to bat on.

    Too bad, West Indies lost half of its side to the new ball.

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    Pakistan need wickets desperately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Flat pitch now looks like.

    Easy to bat on.

    Too bad, West Indies lost half of its side to the new ball.
    It was going to be like this.
    We needed 2 spinners.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    YASIR getting in his grove... few good deliveries here and there now...


    Sarfaraz, Babar, Shehzad, Haris, Talat, Fakhar, Umar.

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    I've long ran out of patience with Wahab. He seems to have been given golden boy treatment because of his supposed "aggression" and Pakistan's long love affair with pace, but where are the wickets ?

    Seems good for one decent spell every so often but I'd rather see us introduce a pacer with more consistency. You ain't gonna teach a 33 year old bowler new tricks, still there are problems with his wrist position and control.

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