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    First impressions in international cricket - Mohammad Abbas

    Bowls good lines and lengths. Nice smooth and easy action.

    Excellent seam position and it's clear to see why he has taken lots of wickets in domestic cricket.

    A little bit of Mohammad Asif in his bowling in terms of the probing line and length he is bowling.



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    A very similar bowler to Imran Khan; will serve Pakistan well on pitches that support seam/swing movement.

    Will struggle on flat pitches seeing that he doesn't bowl in excess of 130 km/h.

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    Good height, nice smooth action. But needs to pace up if he wants to have a good career. Wont be suitable with this pace in UAE.


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    Can be an asset on overseas tour but on in the deserts he wont be of much use.


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    took the wicket of Kraig Brathwaite early, who is probably the best WI batsman

    Lookin really good so far. He has bowled some jaffas as well. Moved the ball both ways. But when he is shaping it away from the right hander he looks more threatning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    A very similar bowler to Imran Khan; will serve Pakistan well on pitches that support seam/swing movement.

    Will struggle on flat pitches seeing that he doesn't bowl in excess of 130 km/h.
    ironically Imran Khan jr averaged 28 in Asia and took 20 wickets there. You are obsessed with pace, Dinda must be one of your favorites


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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    ironically Imran Khan jr averaged 28 in Asia and took 20 wickets there. You are obsessed with pace, Dinda must be one of your favorites
    If you dont have pace ,you should have bounce. Its his first day and good that he got some helping conditions but i havent seen much bounce from him so far.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    ironically Imran Khan jr averaged 28 in Asia. You are obsessed with pace, Dinda must be one of your favorites
    Now, I'm not asking for express pace from Abbas as he doesn't have the physical capacity to, but personally I feel that to be a successful bowler in all conditions you have to be bowling around 135 km/h. The only exception being bowlers who are very, very skilled with the ball.

    How many games has Imran Khan played in Asia?

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    Reminds me of Harmison. Decent bowler. Needs to play all matches in this series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Now, I'm not asking for express pace from Abbas as he doesn't have the physical capacity to, but personally I feel that to be a successful bowler in all conditions you have to be bowling around 135 km/h. The only exception being bowlers who are very, very skilled with the ball.

    How many games has Imran Khan played in Asia?

    Wahab despite all his pace, averages 31.47 in Asia after 11 games

    Rahat averages 37.73 in 11 games

    Imran Khan jr 28 after 7 games, and he's is slower than both Rahat and Wahab

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

    your argument is flawed, Abbas is like Asif, and Asif took wickets on flat Asian pitches as well. I can get into details but it seems like it won't make a difference to you as you are obsessed with pace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    Wahab despite all his pace, averages 31.47 in Asia after 11 games

    Rahat averages 37.73 in 11 games

    Imran Khan jr 28 after 7 games

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

    your argument is flawed, Abbas is like Asif, and Asif took wickets in flat Asian pitches as well. I can get into details but it seems like it won't make a difference to you as you are obsessed with pace
    How many medium pacers have succeeded in international cricket?

    It is no secret that Rahat is brainless and has no control over what he is doing. The same applies to Wahab.

    Abbas is decent- not the greatest, but not the worst either. However, knowing Mickey he would treat Abbas in the same manner as he did with Imran Khan- a green track specialist and there is logic for him to do so.

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    Good bowler. However, this is the WI batting lineup in helpful conditions and using the Duke ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    How many medium pacers have succeeded in international cricket?

    It is no secret that Rahat is brainless and has no control over what he is doing. The same applies to Wahab.

    Abbas is decent- not the greatest, but not the worst either. However, knowing Mickey he would treat Abbas in the same manner as he did with Imran Khan- a green track specialist and there is logic for him to do so.
    lol you talk as if we have a dozen Shoaib Akhtars sitting in our domestic cricket waiting to get selected. We have to make do with what we have. Abbas was "The" best performer and he deserves a run of games on merit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    lol you talk as if we have a dozen Shoaib Akhtars sitting in our domestic cricket waiting to get selected. We have to make do with what we have. Abbas was "The" best performer and he deserves a run of games on merit.
    Am I arguing against his selection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    A very similar bowler to Imran Khan; will serve Pakistan well on pitches that support seam/swing movement.

    Will struggle on flat pitches seeing that he doesn't bowl in excess of 130 km/h.
    well spotted. doesn't seem a long term prospect to be honest. He will get carted on decent batting pitches. Hasan Ali should not have sit out for this guy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    well spotted. doesn't seem a long term prospect to be honest. He will get carted on decent batting pitches. Hasan Ali should not have sit out for this guy.
    Hasan Ali is injured...

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    liked his seam position and line and length and control and that's only his positives but good batting won't be troubled unless he increases pace.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Hasan Ali is injured...
    thanks didn't know that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    How many medium pacers have succeeded in international cricket?

    It is no secret that Rahat is brainless and has no control over what he is doing. The same applies to Wahab.

    Abbas is decent- not the greatest, but not the worst either. However, knowing Mickey he would treat Abbas in the same manner as he did with Imran Khan- a green track specialist and there is logic for him to do so.
    If you really want me to list out successful Fast-Medium bowlers (who usually bowl in 80mph range) there here are a few....

    1. Glenn McGrath
    2. Shaun Pollock
    3. Richard Headlee
    4. Mohammad Asif
    5. James Anderson
    6. Sir Ian Botham
    7. Chaminda Vaas
    8. Zaheer Khan


    ....and lots more. But please now don't argue that these bowlers weren't successful....they all were medium fast and were successful around the globe.

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    Bit of Flintoff in his action

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketingMinds View Post
    If you really want me to list out successful Fast-Medium bowlers (who usually bowl in 80mph range) there here are a few....

    1. Glenn McGrath
    2. Shaun Pollock
    3. Richard Headlee
    4. Mohammad Asif
    5. James Anderson
    6. Sir Ian Botham
    7. Chaminda Vaas
    8. Zaheer Khan


    ....and lots more. But please now don't argue that these bowlers weren't successful....they all were medium fast and were successful around the globe.
    And your telling me Abbbas is as good as those guys?

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    So Waqar has never seen Mohammad Abbas bowl in the domestics, and the guy was head coach for Pakistan twice for more than 4 years in tenures... ridiculous!!

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    Decent bowler.

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    I'd take @Ellipsism 's opinion over spreadsheet-worms.

    Don't care about what his domestic average was. I haven't seen him bowl.

    But judging from what Ellipsism said, being yet another Imran Khan or Junaid Khan is no feat. We're doomed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    And your telling me Abbbas is as good as those guys?
    And round and round we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I'd take @Ellipsism 's opinion over spreadsheet-worms.

    Don't care about what his domestic average was. I haven't seen him bowl.

    But judging from what Ellipsism said, being yet another Imran Khan or Junaid Khan is no feat. We're doomed.
    His height can give him a better advantage to him than Imran or Junaid... just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I'd take @Ellipsism 's opinion over spreadsheet-worms.

    Don't care about what his domestic average was. I haven't seen him bowl.

    But judging from what Ellipsism said, being yet another Imran Khan or Junaid Khan is no feat. We're doomed.
    Skill wise Abbas is way ahead of Imran, but to maximise results Abbas will need to try to bowl at around 135 km/h but seeing that he's "27" doubt that'll happen.

    Currently looks like a bowler that will succeed on pitches that offer a bit, much like Imran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I'd take @Ellipsism 's opinion over spreadsheet-worms.

    Don't care about what his domestic average was. I haven't seen him bowl.

    But judging from what Ellipsism said, being yet another Imran Khan or Junaid Khan is no feat. We're doomed.
    I'd take results over either of your opinions. I don't care what you think a good bowler looks like.
    If he can take wickets I want to see him get a run. Wahab has shown us just how much pace is
    worth. The problem with your reasoning is not the idea that pace is not desirable, but that it is
    somehow more important than skill. You are willing to give a run to any old bowler who comes along
    and can hit the deck hard even if he averages what Wahab does. But over the long run numbers
    don't lie, I am sorry to tell you. There is a reason Wahab has always been and will always be mediocre.
    As for 'he will be good if there is something in the wicket' what bowler is that NOT true for? What
    bowler is excellent regardless of the conditions? And if the conditions are there, do you not want
    someone who can take advantage of it?

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    looks like he is suited to swing friendly conditions and seaming tracks looks to be a very disciplined bowler too but doesnt look like anything special just a solid operator.

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    Action like Harmison but looks like Caddick.


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    Average. Next. Caddick indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    well spotted. doesn't seem a long term prospect to be honest. He will get carted on decent batting pitches. Hasan Ali should not have sit out for this guy.

    Hasan Ali will struggle against Top batting line ups on flat batting surfaces in Test Cricket.

    Main Reason height plus

    He doesn't get much lateral movement both ways.


    On helpful surfaces against average or poor batting line ups he will succeed mainly because of his fast medium pace where he can bowl few in Fast range.


    Hasan can only change these facts if like Marshall he can become fast bowler capable of bowling few in express range. This means training like Akhtar, Lee, Bond, Cummins, Starc, Milne and the New Kiwi guy. None of our pacers train like that so it's highly unlikely that Hasan will follow these guys wrt Diet & training.


    Hasan Ali has average Fc record at places other than Diamond Cricket ground. There is a reason for that.


    Diamond Cricket Ground is Perth of Pakistan. Because he gets extra bounce so He is most lethal at DCC.


    Around 90 % of Hasan's fivefers and all his Tenfer's are at DCC.

    This should tell you something.

    @Markhor Bhaee kindly give your Input.


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    Will need to see him more on different tracks to evaluate him.

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    Very similar to Imran Khan senior/junio (whatever). But it seems he handles the new ball better than IK.


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    Nice and easy action...good to see the control over his line and length, decent pace, nice swing/seam movement, good use of the new ball... better fitness than sohail khan, but still need to work hard on his fitness, by doing so can improve his pace.. Many here say he is similar to Imran khan, havent seen IK swing both ways and consistently pitch on good line and length..Abbas fitness is so far better than IK...

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    Hope that he will be used in right way . Looks decent but he should get pace arround 135 kph . This pace works well in all condtions .


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    Personally, I don't think he deserves a spot in the team. He may be an improvement when compared to Imran Khan Jr. but Rahat Ali and Sohail Khan are much better.

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    Looked like he knew what he was doing of the snippets i saw but i doubt from the little i saw he will play more than 5 tests.

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    Trundler.

    Tidy etc. but ultimately a trundler.

    Edit: Would take him over Wahab as a third bowling option. Ideally could do with someone else to partner Amir though.
    Last edited by Sunzi; 22nd April 2017 at 07:30.

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    He looked decent. Everyone saying in UAE he will not last but Imran Khan who was dropped for Mohammad Abbas wasn't rapid but was also effective in the UAE against England, Australia etc

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    He looks good but he is just a medium pacer. Won't be useful in batting friendly pitches.


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    Like Ehsan Adil.

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    What is the standard of FC cricket in Pakistan? You have guys like Abbas picking up wickets for fun.

    Bowled well with the new ball, but looked incredibly flat in his third and fourth spell where he got hit for a few boundaries.

    Pace isn't great either hit 137 km/h, but has been in-between the 129-132 km/h range which isn't going to trouble any batsman on a flat track.

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    Unlucky not to pick a wicket up today.
    Induced a few airy wafts and edges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    What is the standard of FC cricket in Pakistan? You have guys like Abbas picking up wickets for fun.

    Bowled well with the new ball, but looked incredibly flat in his third and fourth spell where he got hit for a few boundaries.

    Pace isn't great either hit 137 km/h, but has been in-between the 129-132 km/h range which isn't going to trouble any batsman on a flat track.
    Standard? Pathetic - it would have to be; there can be no other reason as to why Wahab is virtually indispensable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunzi View Post
    Standard? Pathetic - it would have to be; there can be no other reason as to why Wahab is virtually indispensable.
    Wahab being un-droppable is largely due to the fact that no one in the domestic circuit has the sort of pace Wahab does, apart from Sami.

    All well-rounded attacks have an enforcer; but Wahab doesn't have the skill-set to be successful at the international level, apart from pace and reverse he doesn't bring anything to the table.

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    Averages 61 so far...


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    Looks alright to me. Worth giving extended run

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    He's good so far but he needs to increase his pace.

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    Very, very mediocre.

    Borderline height, no bounce, low on speed, disappointing wrist action.

    His line and length are okay, but he hasn't got any tools. When the ball went soft he wasn't tall enough to strangle the scoring rate like McGrath and Asif did.

    No international future.

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    Another Abdur Rauf. Proper trundler, don't see him lasting too long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    He's good so far but he needs to increase his pace.
    Not going to happen at "27" nor does he have the physical capacity to.

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    Cannot believe we sidelined Sohail khan IMran Khan Junaid Khan n Rahat Ali for Abbas

    looks absolutely mediocre infact the worst of the above mentioned stock we invested 2-4 years in the above mentioned quartet should have persisted with one of the above but this is PCB rewarding and obliging


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Wahab being un-droppable is largely due to the fact that no one in the domestic circuit has the sort of pace Wahab does, apart from Sami.

    All well-rounded attacks have an enforcer; but Wahab doesn't have the skill-set to be successful at the international level, apart from pace and reverse he doesn't bring anything to the table.
    Wahab and Yasir both bowled poorly, bowled too many loose deliveries, release all the pressure. This has become routine now. Wahab has limited usage, even his reverse swing only works in really dry or second innings. Other than that he really struggle to make any impact...On this pitch if you cannot control run rate(forget about taking wickets) for bottom 5 batters with 85-90 MPH pace not to mention with Duke ball, there is something seriously wrong with the bowler. Terrible performance from him

    Abbas atleast was bowling at consistent channel. Last year we have Rahat, Imran who bowled all over the place, had no control, did not create any pressure. Sohail was good in first spell only, does not have stamina to bowl 2/3 spells a day...

    I would like to see how Abbas does in this series, I would give him whole series. Wahab should be dropped and hassan should be given a chance if fit, although I am not overly confident that Hasan can make an impact, Shadah could but that's different. Pakistan need to look for fast bowler, by fast I mean 145 clicks bowler, one spot has to be for raw pace, but Wahab has really disappoint much like Sami, when you have body and fitness to bowl consistently at 90 MPH, you got to make it count, how could you not be a permanent member of the team with such pace


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    Lol at the delusional comparison with Asif

    Abbas is bang average and will be getting ripped apart in cricket discussions in coming days.

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    Ordinary.


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    Abbas is basically a watered down version of Shahid Nazir. Looks nothing special right now. The only way he can succeed at the intl. level is if he can develop the nagging accuracy that McGrath and Asif had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Wahab being un-droppable is largely due to the fact that no one in the domestic circuit has the sort of pace Wahab does, apart from Sami.

    All well-rounded attacks have an enforcer; but Wahab doesn't have the skill-set to be successful at the international level, apart from pace and reverse he doesn't bring anything to the table.
    I know; what's your point?

    Wahab is pony - I'd take Abbas over him as a 3rd bowler and bring someone else, anyone else in.

    Wahab is a liability - always has been. He will take token wickets along the way, he's a bowler. His career his rather poor TBH.

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    Give him a couple of matches at least , remember asif was thrashed in his very first match.


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    I would take Ehtesham Sultan over him.

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    I personally don't think he's going to make it big. Nothing like Asif, surely. Doesn't have enough pace, and his action will not help him get reverse swing.

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    Mohammad Abass has shown enough to out do both Rahat Ali & Imran Khan. Remember Imran has out performed Rahat & Wahab overall.

    Abass has touched 139kph and now He will be much more secure financially to afford sports nutrition and proper training so his fitness will improve.

    Abass has bowled with Duke Ball for the first time and a bowler needs sometime to adjust.


    With 130 FC wickets in last 2 seasons Misbah & Mickey must give Abass entire Test series. If they do than I am sure Abass will be amongst the wickets sooner InshaAllah.


    With lesser nerves in next innings and test Abass's length will improve and his lines will be more consistent.


    James Anderson on flat dead UAE surfaces along with Philander have proved that if you can deviate the ball ever so slightly at a pace range of 127 to 132 kph than you will succeed in Test Cricket provided you are around 6 feet tall and you have good accuracy.


    Shaun Pollock also used to be a nightmare for Pakistan.


    With Sohail having No Test fitness I will definitely have Abass to open the bowling with Amir. Imran also has a chance for comeback given he improves his fitness levels because his overall record is good.


    It's time to say Wahab & Rahat good bye forever from Test Cricket.


    Atif Jabbar should replace Wahab Riaz in Test squad. Hasan, Bashir, Ehtisham need couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Mohammad Abass has shown enough to out do both Rahat Ali & Imran Khan. Remember Imran has out performed Rahat & Wahab overall.

    Abass has touched 139kph and now He will be much more secure financially to afford sports nutrition and proper training so his fitness will improve.

    Abass has bowled with Duke Ball for the first time and a bowler needs sometime to adjust.


    With 130 FC wickets in last 2 seasons Misbah & Mickey must give Abass entire Test series. If they do than I am sure Abass will be amongst the wickets sooner InshaAllah.


    With lesser nerves in next innings and test Abass's length will improve and his lines will be more consistent.


    James Anderson on flat dead UAE surfaces along with Philander have proved that if you can deviate the ball ever so slightly at a pace range of 127 to 132 kph than you will succeed in Test Cricket provided you are around 6 feet tall and you have good accuracy.


    Shaun Pollock also used to be a nightmare for Pakistan.


    With Sohail having No Test fitness I will definitely have Abass to open the bowling with Amir. Imran also has a chance for comeback given he improves his fitness levels because his overall record is good.


    It's time to say Wahab & Rahat good bye forever from Test Cricket.


    Atif Jabbar should replace Wahab Riaz in Test squad. Hasan, Bashir, Ehtisham need couple of years.
    I agree. Abbass' attitude is of a fast bowler. If he can bowl 139 kph consistently he'll be lethal. definitely looks better than Rahat and Imran. Atif Jabbar has pace so can be good replacement for Wahab. I would include him for CT2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    I agree. Abbass' attitude is of a fast bowler. If he can bowl 139 kph consistently he'll be lethal. definitely looks better than Rahat and Imran. Atif Jabbar has pace so can be good replacement for Wahab. I would include him for CT2017.

    Atif got unfit during camp. If he regained fitness than him not getting picked for Pakistan Cup is mindboggling given his best format is indeed 50 overs Cricket.

    Abass will never ever be a bowler who could consistently bowl 139 kph.

    He was quick few years ago but once you lose pace after playing more than a decade of so much club, grade 2, league, FC and list A cricket than you cannot regain it. So he can only improve 2-3 kph at most. He should follow anderson, pollock, Philander. If he can average under 30 with a Sr under 55 and an Economy under 3 than for me He is good enough to play Test Cricket regularly for Pakistan.

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    @TalentSpotterPk

    Is Atif Jabbar playing for any PSL team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    @TalentSpotterPk

    Is Atif Jabbar playing for any PSL team?
    No.

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    That's very disappointing. He warrants a place on merit. If Muhamamd Irfan Jnr can play without having any pace why not Atif Jabbar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Mohammad Abass has shown enough to out do both Rahat Ali & Imran Khan. Remember Imran has out performed Rahat & Wahab overall.

    Abass has touched 139kph and now He will be much more secure financially to afford sports nutrition and proper training so his fitness will improve.

    Abass has bowled with Duke Ball for the first time and a bowler needs sometime to adjust.


    With 130 FC wickets in last 2 seasons Misbah & Mickey must give Abass entire Test series. If they do than I am sure Abass will be amongst the wickets sooner InshaAllah.


    With lesser nerves in next innings and test Abass's length will improve and his lines will be more consistent.


    James Anderson on flat dead UAE surfaces along with Philander have proved that if you can deviate the ball ever so slightly at a pace range of 127 to 132 kph than you will succeed in Test Cricket provided you are around 6 feet tall and you have good accuracy.


    Shaun Pollock also used to be a nightmare for Pakistan.


    With Sohail having No Test fitness I will definitely have Abass to open the bowling with Amir. Imran also has a chance for comeback given he improves his fitness levels because his overall record is good.


    It's time to say Wahab & Rahat good bye forever from Test Cricket.


    Atif Jabbar should replace Wahab Riaz in Test squad. Hasan, Bashir, Ehtisham need couple of years.
    Not Sadaf Hussain? He's been the best bowler in the last 5-7 years

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    Not impressed, its depressing to see the the top performer in Pakistan domestic cricket is such an "innocent" bowler at international level.

    Now I know why Sadaf is not selected , must be a left handed Abbas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Mohammad Abass has shown enough to out do both Rahat Ali & Imran Khan. Remember Imran has out performed Rahat & Wahab overall.

    Abass has touched 139kph and now He will be much more secure financially to afford sports nutrition and proper training so his fitness will improve.

    Abass has bowled with Duke Ball for the first time and a bowler needs sometime to adjust.


    With 130 FC wickets in last 2 seasons Misbah & Mickey must give Abass entire Test series. If they do than I am sure Abass will be amongst the wickets sooner InshaAllah.


    With lesser nerves in next innings and test Abass's length will improve and his lines will be more consistent.


    James Anderson on flat dead UAE surfaces along with Philander have proved that if you can deviate the ball ever so slightly at a pace range of 127 to 132 kph than you will succeed in Test Cricket provided you are around 6 feet tall and you have good accuracy.


    Shaun Pollock also used to be a nightmare for Pakistan.


    With Sohail having No Test fitness I will definitely have Abass to open the bowling with Amir. Imran also has a chance for comeback given he improves his fitness levels because his overall record is good.


    It's time to say Wahab & Rahat good bye forever from Test Cricket.


    Atif Jabbar should replace Wahab Riaz in Test squad. Hasan, Bashir, Ehtisham need couple of years.
    Can you remind me of your list of very young tall quick bowlers from another long-lost thread?

    Thanks!

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    Looking forward to his bowling in second innings.

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    No, he hasn't.

    Like Fawad Alam, Sadaf Hussain had several good seasons followed by an absolute stinker this season, coming 20th in the wicket-taking charts.

    Sadaf Hussain took 28 wickets at 23.07 this season in First Class cricket in 7 matches.

    In contrast, Mohammad Asif took 19 wickets in 5 matches at 21.89.

    Even after all these years of inactivity and at 34, Asif is still a better bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Can you remind me of your list of very young tall quick bowlers from another long-lost thread?

    Thanks!

    Arslan Bashir, Irfanullah Shah, Sameen Gul & Ehtisham Sultan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KyoOne View Post
    Not Sadaf Hussain? He's been the best bowler in the last 5-7 years

    A maafia is against him. He hasn't been amongst top bowlers in last two seasons so it hasn't helped either. Needs to take this as a challenge and improve his fitness levels whereby ignoring him becomes impossible. I rate him but he hasn't challenged himself in last 7 years. He with his height and broad frame always had advantage over other pacers but He did not improve his fitness levels.


    Him not playing televised matches especially T20 Cricket due to Corrupt Maafia has dented his chances massively.


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    Its so disappointing to see that speed is way down in the priority list of Pakistani young fast men. This is chicken and egg issue, Pakistani think tank has to spell out what they are looking for, we have gone from speed first to control... Kids are no more looking forward to bowl fast, they are content with line and length run of the mill medium pacers...You can see lot of left arm spinners, which indicates choosing the path of least resistance, finger spinners are easiest job, that to left with most right handed batsmen, but that takes you nowhere, we cannot encourage kids to opt for path of left arm spinners and medium pacers. Those skills should be down graded, this is killing cricket in Pakistan

    Misbah gets lot of blame in my opinion, he just like run of the mill work horses bowlers, who can dry up runs like Zulfi, Imran Khan etc...This culture must change if we want to go back to the top...Think tank must demand fast bowler and wrist spinners, infrastructure should be based on that...Right now infrastructure encourages to have medium paces and left arm spinners, the worse of the products one can have...I am just worried Misbah been director will bring more of the same


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Its so disappointing to see that speed is way down in the priority list of Pakistani young fast men. This is chicken and egg issue, Pakistani think tank has to spell out what they are looking for, we have gone from speed first to control... Kids are no more looking forward to bowl fast, they are content with line and length run of the mill medium pacers...You can see lot of left arm spinners, which indicates choosing the path of least resistance, finger spinners are easiest job, that to left with most right handed batsmen, but that takes you nowhere, we cannot encourage kids to opt for path of left arm spinners and medium pacers. Those skills should be down graded, this is killing cricket in Pakistan

    Misbah gets lot of blame in my opinion, he just like run of the mill work horses bowlers, who can dry up runs like Zulfi, Imran Khan etc...This culture must change if we want to go back to the top...Think tank must demand fast bowler and wrist spinners, infrastructure should be based on that...Right now infrastructure encourages to have medium paces and left arm spinners, the worse of the products one can have...I am just worried Misbah been director will bring more of the same
    I wonder what isn't Misbah's fault at this stage according to some. The real culprit are these wet and underprepared pitches, substandard Grays balls that offer prodigious swing and the timing of the domestic season where overcast weather dominates, especially in Northern Pakistan.

    So an average seamer can simply trundle in and let the conditions do their work. With better pitches and using international-grade balls, we'd be able to weed out the quality seamers from the chancers.

    As for Abbas: he's got a smooth, repeatable action and presents the seam nicely but on flat pitches he may struggle as his average pace is around 130-135kph. He needs to find a way of being effective with the older ball, maybe through reverse swing or more variety.

    However that doesn't mean he should be dropped. We need a selection of pace options that we can use horses for courses according to the conditions. In England, NZ and or in SL at venues like P Sara Oval, or anywhere with seam-friendly conditions, we can play Abbas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    I wonder what isn't Misbah's fault at this stage according to some. The real culprit are these wet and underprepared pitches, substandard Grays balls that offer prodigious swing and the timing of the domestic season where overcast weather dominates, especially in Northern Pakistan.

    So an average seamer can simply trundle in and let the conditions do their work. With better pitches and using international-grade balls, we'd be able to weed out the quality seamers from the chancers.

    As for Abbas: he's got a smooth, repeatable action and presents the seam nicely but on flat pitches he may struggle as his average pace is around 130-135kph. He needs to find a way of being effective with the older ball, maybe through reverse swing or more variety.

    However that doesn't mean he should be dropped. We need a selection of pace options that we can use horses for courses according to the conditions. In England, NZ and or in SL at venues like P Sara Oval, or anywhere with seam-friendly conditions, we can play Abbas.
    I don't disagree playing conditions are major culprit.

    But Misbah's pragmatism has not helped, he invested in mediocre and old players. Zulfi, Imran Khan, Rahat etc... There is too much sameness in Misbah's 11. Even in IU he followed the same trend...Shadab was an exception to his rule, well PSL forces to play one U19/U20 player, so Misbah has to play him. Otherwise he called 40 year old Rafethullah after Sharjeel's loss...My worry is he value calmness and temperament over flair and aggression, youth... He is not good at developing product, no real good product came out from his Era, after 50+ test and 6/7 years what we have right now??


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    I don't disagree playing conditions are major culprit.

    But Misbah's pragmatism has not helped, he invested in mediocre and old players. Zulfi, Imran Khan, Rahat etc... There is too much sameness in Misbah's 11. Even in IU he followed the same trend...Shadab was an exception to his rule, well PSL forces to play one U19/U20 player, so Misbah has to play him. Otherwise he called 40 year old Rafethullah after Sharjeel's loss...My worry is he value calmness and temperament over flair and aggression, youth... He is not good at developing product, no real good product came out from his Era, after 50+ test and 6/7 years what we have right now??
    How is that responsible for the lack of pace bowlers ? Wahab Riaz is one of the fastest bowlers we have and he's played far too much Test cricket under Misbah who should've dropped him a while ago.

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