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    Not liable to compensate, there was no formal agreement: BCCI tells PCB [Update Post #75]

    The Pakistan Cricket Board has decided to sue Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) as the Indian board has failed to honour its commitment and play a bilateral series in Pakistan, said PCB Executive Committee Chairman Najam Sethi in a tweet.

    The agreement between the two boards was signed in 2014. The series was one of six agreed between the PCB and BCCI under a Memorandum of Understanding signed when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh-led government gave its go-ahead for the series.

    Sethi in another tweet, said that India has lost and the International Cricket Council (ICC) has decided to roll back the Big 3 system.

    Chairman International Cricket Council (ICC) Task Force on Pakistan Giles Clarke has reviewed the security report off ICC experts and has agreed to hold three T20 matches in Pakistan.

    Sethi made the revelation in a tweet and added the matches are scheduled for end of September 2017. A team of ICC's "top current players" will play the matches, added Sethi.

    Pakistan and India have not played a full series against each other since 2007, though Pakistan toured India for a short series in December 2012.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1329383
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    In other thread some one said PCB doing fine without playing with India and here PCB wants to sue India

    ICC's "top current players" - What does this mean?

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    The end of September would rule out any England or WI limited overs players (the ICC can't be seen putting the WI's mercenaries in a team to be playing in Pakistan whilst the WI play a series themselves you'd assume) and any SA or BD test cricketers. Given CAs reluctance to tour Bangladesh I can't see many Australia players willing to go (and their state teams would have to release them for their preparations for the Matador cup) and obviously all Indians will be barred leaving Sri Lanka, Zimbawe and NZ. Isn't there a slightly better period these supposed T20s could be played at?
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    Can ICC force Top players of various boards to tour Pakistan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by santos11 View Post
    Can ICC force Top players of various boards to tour Pakistan ?
    Sethi ji said so, must be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Sethi ji said so, must be true.
    In Pakistan, no one give a damn about Sethi, he lost all his credibility since he took the side in politics....

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    They owe us over 60 million

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    Lol, Shehryar Khan will be pursuing this even from beyond the grave.

    He'll have on his epitaph "Honour the MOU !"

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    If PCB doesn't mend their way, PSL will be done. Majority of PSL's viewership was from India, do you think PSL can survive without that?

    http://nation.com.pk/sports/06-Mar-2...country-report

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Lol, Shehryar Khan will be pursuing this even from beyond the grave.

    He'll have on his epitaph "Honour the MOU !"
    lol hillarious


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    If PCB doesn't mend their way, PSL will be done. Majority of PSL's viewership was from India, do you think PSL can survive without that?

    http://nation.com.pk/sports/06-Mar-2...country-report
    wahi hota hay jo manzoore khuda hota hay .
    If Psl have to survive it will by any means.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    If PCB doesn't mend their way, PSL will be done. Majority of PSL's viewership was from India, do you think PSL can survive without that?

    http://nation.com.pk/sports/06-Mar-2...country-report
    These stats are for one match,the final of the second edition.And it was not an overwhelming majority.None of the matches for the first season were broadcast in India yet the tournament turned out to be a success.The PSL won't be 'done'.


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    Sethi is a clown and all talk... first prove those allegations on the new spot fixers?

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    Sigh, Sethi is so embarrassing...his son can sing though

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    Where will they sue BCCI?Which court?

    Secondly how can Giles Clarke promies that "top players" will tour Pakistan.Not ICC,Not the different boards,but Giles Clarke.How does this work?Is Clarke and by extension ECB now running ICC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    If PCB doesn't mend their way, PSL will be done. Majority of PSL's viewership was from India, do you think PSL can survive without that?

    http://nation.com.pk/sports/06-Mar-2...country-report
    Article: India watched PSL final online more than any other country

    Post: Majority of PSL's viewership was from India


    There's twists on words and there's blatant lies such as this

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    I'm not sure if theres a need to sue, BCCI has already suffered the repercussions of agreeing to MOUs that were negotiated in bad faith. PCB is simply trying to strategically attack the BCCI while they are weakened and rattled. I doubt much will come of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taaya View Post
    I'm not sure if theres a need to sue, BCCI has already suffered the repercussions of agreeing to MOUs that were negotiated in bad faith. PCB is simply trying to strategically attack the BCCI while they are weakened and rattled. I doubt much will come of it.
    what exactly were these repercussions? I'm honestly curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    what exactly were these repercussions? I'm honestly curious
    They received no support from the other boards in the voting for ICC's financial/constitutional model. They are about to lose the immense financial gains they sneakily achieved with the Big 3 model. Where have you been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taaya View Post
    They received no support from the other boards in the voting for ICC's financial/constitutional model. They are about to lose the immense financial gains they sneakily achieved with the Big 3 model. Where have you been?
    my bad..I didn't know exactly what you were referring to. I don't think the snakes at BCCI negotiated MOUs with others in bad faith except Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    my bad..I didn't know exactly what you were referring to. I don't think the snakes at BCCI negotiated MOUs with others in bad faith except Pakistan?
    Ehsan Mani stated yesterday that BCCI also failed to honour MOU with CSA. Its likely that other boards have seen this and realized that they cannot trust BCCI to honour any agreements in the future.

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    Keep hearing they will sue BCCI. Why not just do it instead of talking about it again and again and again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Keep hearing they will sue BCCI. Why not just do it instead of talking about it again and again and again.
    this is the umpteenth time we are hearing about this.


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    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is set to legally notify the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) by next week about compensation for India’s refusal to play bilateral series.

    A top official of the PCB said that the Board’s legal advisor, Salman Naseer, had visited London recently in connection with the preparation of the legal battle.

    “He went there to complete the preparations for filing claim for compensation. We have already told the BCCI officials at the ICC meeting that we intend to sue them for compensation,” he said.

    The official said the compensation claim would be for the revenues Pakistan would have generated by hosting India in two series under the MoU signed between the two Boards in 2014.

    The official made it clear that it was not PCB’s problem if BCCI failed get clearance from its government to play against Pakistan since the ICC was an independent body and its members had to honour commitments with each other.

    He said that Pakistan had not opposed the Big Three system of governance and distribution of revenues among member countries from ICC events in 2014 because of the MoU signed with India.

    “We feel that we are justified and legally in a strong position to now claim compensation from the Indian board for all the losses we have suffered because of their refusal to play us,” the official said.

    Under the MoU, India and Pakistan were scheduled to play six series -- three of them home events for Pakistan between 2015 and 2023.

    “But that has not been the case and we lost estimated revenues close to USD 200 million,” the official said. PTI


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    Please sue.

    I hope you get a judgement too.

    Then our grandchildren will never see cricket between India and Pakistan.

    Please do.

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    Nice.This was all that was needed. How long before some Politician or Media makes it look like ICC is PCB's supporter and ganging up againist India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ph_11 View Post
    Please sue.

    I hope you get a judgement too.

    Then our grandchildren will never see cricket between India and Pakistan.

    Please do.
    You do realise that if they do get a judgment against the BCCI, the money would be removed from the ICC's handouts to the BCCI?

    The BCCI is due to get $293 million as a handout from the ICC for 2015-2023, but a $200 million judgment would reduce this to just $93 million - which is even less than Zimbabwe!

    You've got to see the funny side of that!

    All the BCCI's chickens are coming home to roost at the same time. They might have to ask Zimbabwe Cricket for a loan to cover their huge expenses.

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    How does London even have jurisdiction over what the BCCI does ? Strange are the ways of the PCB.


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    So basically they are accepting to have taken a bribe by BCCI in exchange for supporting the big 3? And now the BCCI is not paying bribe money they are suing them? Funny world lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    How does London even have jurisdiction over what the BCCI does ? Strange are the ways of the PCB.

    When anything happens,run to the Queen.

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    Forget it ! BCCI can't do anything if GOI won't permit it and with relations between the countries being as sour as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Forget it ! BCCI can't do anything if GOI won't permit it and with relations between the countries being as sour as it is.
    Well, yes and no.

    The BCCI signed a detailed MOU in 2014 with the PCB for home and away series in 2014 and 2015.

    But a huge papertrail shows that when Pakistan's Cricket Board sent registered mail to schedule the December 2015 tour it received no reply at any stage. And when its Chairman visited India, he was ignored.

    At no point did the BCCI state that the series was impossible due to political prohibition. And lawyers of the calibre that the PCB has previously engaged in London would destroy the "government prohibition" defence, especially as the BCCI failed to communicate that at the time. And failed to communicate their non-participation at all, which left the PCB no time to schedule series against anyone else.

    Overall, the BCCI would almost certainly lose in a London court. And the fact that they are dependent upon huge ICC handouts means that they would have to contest such a trial - if they fail to do so they will lose and have the ICC remove the money from their handouts.

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    There is no need to make any personal attacks on posters - you dont like their argument, you are free to attack the argument but not the poster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Well, yes and no.

    The BCCI signed a detailed MOU in 2014 with the PCB for home and away series in 2014 and 2015.

    But a huge papertrail shows that when Pakistan's Cricket Board sent registered mail to schedule the December 2015 tour it received no reply at any stage. And when its Chairman visited India, he was ignored.

    At no point did the BCCI state that the series was impossible due to political prohibition. And lawyers of the calibre that the PCB has previously engaged in London would destroy the "government prohibition" defence, especially as the BCCI failed to communicate that at the time. And failed to communicate their non-participation at all, which left the PCB no time to schedule series against anyone else.

    Overall, the BCCI would almost certainly lose in a London court. And the fact that they are dependent upon huge ICC handouts means that they would have to contest such a trial - if they fail to do so they will lose and have the ICC remove the money from their handouts.
    Have you seen the MOU? or are you taking PCB's word?
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    I sincerely hope this happens and there is judgement against BCCI. This would kill (figuratively) of the COA clowns for good and get Mr. Lodha and the Indian SC in deep **** with public.

    Will allow BCCI to walk away from ICC for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    You do realise that if they do get a judgment against the BCCI, the money would be removed from the ICC's handouts to the BCCI?

    The BCCI is due to get $293 million as a handout from the ICC for 2015-2023, but a $200 million judgment would reduce this to just $93 million - which is even less than Zimbabwe!

    You've got to see the funny side of that!

    All the BCCI's chickens are coming home to roost at the same time. They might have to ask Zimbabwe Cricket for a loan to cover their huge expenses.
    And you keep claiming you have no bias against the BCCI.

    1) BCCI should have already gotten 2 years worth of money from the 8 year MPA

    2) This would give BCCI a good excuse to boycott all ICC tournaments and enough motivation to never agree to new bilateral requirements.

    Bring it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    The BCCI is due to get $293 million as a handout from the ICC for 2015-2023, but a $200 million judgment would reduce this to just $93 million - which is even less than Zimbabwe!
    Handout? What handout? If India cuts ties with ICC then ICC loses 70% of its revenues, which amount to about $1,500 million. So who exactly is giving a handout to whom?

    All the BCCI's chickens are coming home to roost at the same time. They might have to ask Zimbabwe Cricket for a loan to cover their huge expenses.
    I know you come across as naive very often with your detailed "plans" day and night tests, cricket salaries for Aus players etc., but surely even you realize that if ICC stopped giving money to BCCI, they would lose their revenues from India.

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    This would also allow to paint Mr. Manohar as a colluder with pakistan.

    So many positives would come out of this. Please pretty please, make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Well, yes and no.

    The BCCI signed a detailed MOU in 2014 with the PCB for home and away series in 2014 and 2015.

    But a huge papertrail shows that when Pakistan's Cricket Board sent registered mail to schedule the December 2015 tour it received no reply at any stage. And when its Chairman visited India, he was ignored.

    Overall, the BCCI would almost certainly lose in a London court. And the fact that they are dependent upon huge ICC handouts means that they would have to contest such a trial - if they fail to do so they will lose and have the ICC remove the money from their handouts.
    And what would a "London court" do? Instruct ICC to not pay BCCI $293 million. And then ICC would lose $1,500 that it currently gets from India.

    A "London court" would first decide if it had jurisdiction and generally that is decided by wherever contracts are signed. Did BCCI sign a contract in the UK?

    A few months ago you had a series of posts about how Amir was going to be legally cleared of past convictions because a witness had recently been convicted in another case. Of course, nothing of the sort happened. You need to improve your understanding of how legal systems function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdoversmg View Post
    I sincerely hope this happens and there is judgement against BCCI. This would kill (figuratively) of the COA clowns for good and get Mr. Lodha and the Indian SC in deep **** with public.

    Will allow BCCI to walk away from ICC for good.
    And that would end the ICC/International cricket cause as we all know International cricket never has and never will survive without India,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    And that would end the ICC/International cricket cause as we all know International cricket never has and never will survive without India,
    I'll say AMEN to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taaya View Post
    Ehsan Mani stated yesterday that BCCI also failed to honour MOU with CSA. Its likely that other boards have seen this and realized that they cannot trust BCCI to honour any agreements in the future.
    Surely the cricket boards must have realised this before the MOU was signed but the BCCI's continued underhandedness and power trips has been awfully offputting, talk about an ego trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Handout? What handout? If India cuts ties with ICC then ICC loses 70% of its revenues, which amount to about $1,500 million. So who exactly is giving a handout to whom?



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    Wrong.

    The Australian Rules Football League pays A$186 million to its players. How much revenue from India do they rely upon?

    And secondly, the other 9 boards are already on the verge of agreeing to pool TV revenue fro foreign sales. ICC income will rocket.

    It has become obvious that the BCCI has vast income and even bigger spending. Which is why they are dependent on triple-sized welfare payments in the form of ICC handouts.

    It's not my fault if the Board with the world's biggest income is so profligate with its spending that it is essentially bankrupt. I didn't think it was possible either until it became obvious yesterday.

    And everything fell into place. The ICC is standing up to India this time around because Manohar has presumably advised them that the BCCI's spending is bigger than its revenue and that it is insolvent without welfare payments from the ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    And what would a "London court" do? Instruct ICC to not pay BCCI $293 million. And then ICC would lose $1,500 that it currently gets from India.

    A "London court" would first decide if it had jurisdiction and generally that is decided by wherever contracts are signed. Did BCCI sign a contract in the UK?

    A few months ago you had a series of posts about how Amir was going to be legally cleared of past convictions because a witness had recently been convicted in another case. Of course, nothing of the sort happened. You need to improve your understanding of how legal systems function.
    No, it is Asif, not Amir. His case is formally under review right now, but the process will take a further 12-24 months, because it is part of a wider review of all the Fake Sheikh miscarriages of justice.

    Amir pleaded guilty. He has no recourse.

    And just a polite reminder. You are again confusing the two separate entities - the BCCI and India. They are not the same.

    If the BCCI loses a legal case and the ICC removes the PCB's damages from the BCCI's ICC welfare handout, sure the BCCI will be angry. Might even withdraw from the ICC.

    But the Indian TV networks will still bid for ICC events. Because whoever doesn't get the IPL rights is still going to want to broadcast international cricket.Star has already paid for the rights up to 2023 anyway.

    And I seriously doubt that they paid more than $900 million. Of which the BCCI is demanding almost $600 million in welfare handouts anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    But the Indian TV networks will still bid for ICC events. Because whoever doesn't get the IPL rights is still going to want to broadcast international cricket.Star has already paid for the rights up to 2023 anyway.
    1. Without an Indian team playing the money paid to ICC by Indian networks will be a small fraction or zero. If you live in the real world you should know that Indians have many ways of money being sucked out of their country. The government could informally tell the networks not to pay ICC and the networks would listen. And btw, network advertising is not covered by the WTO.

    2. Hence, whatever name you wish to call it by, BCCI or otherwise, if the Indian TV viewership produces $1,500 million in advertising revenues, an Indian outfit will have to be paid $1,000 million or so. ICC may find out that by being too greedy it is left with nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    1. Without an Indian team playing the money paid to ICC by Indian networks will be a small fraction or zero. If you live in the real world you should know that Indians have many ways of money being sucked out of their country. The government could informally tell the networks not to pay ICC and the networks would listen. And btw, network advertising is not covered by the WTO.

    2. Hence, whatever name you wish to call it by, BCCI or otherwise, if the Indian TV viewership produces $1,500 million in advertising revenues, an Indian outfit will have to be paid $1,000 million or so. ICC may find out that by being too greedy it is left with nothing.
    Actually, no.

    I simply don't accept the notion of India being a net contributor to cricket AT ALL after the last 36 hours. It was propaganda and now we know it was a lie.

    It has become abundantly clear that the Indian market generates vast amounts of TV revenue, but that the BCCI spends even more money than the Indian market delivers.

    I think that the BCCI is such an out-of-control profligate overspender that it is reliant upon welfare handouts from the rest of the cricket world.

    India is exposed now as a burden on the rest of the cricket world, dependent upon foreign aid in the form of welfare payments from the other cricketing countries.

    We don't need them. The Emperor clearly has no clothes, and we were fools to believe their boasts about how much wealth they created.

    The BCCI destroys wealth. They don't create it.
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    Lahore May 03, 2017: The PCB has today sent to BCCI a Notice of Dispute under the Dispute Resolution Committee Terms of Reference of the ICC (ICC TORs) for breaching the agreement executed between PCB and BCCI in respect of the Future Tour Programme for the period 2014-2023. PCB has claimed the losses and damage suffered by it as a result of BCCI’s breaches of the agreement.


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    This is nothing new from PCB. Trust them to show bravado and pounce on BCCI when it "seems" they are cornered or at a low. But like always this wont last long and when BCCI will get up on its feet, the guys at the helm now wont cop the fallout but Pakistan cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    This is nothing new from PCB. Trust them to show bravado and pounce on BCCI when it "seems" they are cornered or at a low. But like always this wont last long and when BCCI will get up on its feet, the guys at the helm now wont cop the fallout but Pakistan cricket.
    We have been hearing threats for years, our cricket has adapted to work without BCCI tours. Long may it continue.

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    Good luck PCB doing all this.It would yield nothing though.

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    Pakistan board claims $60m from India in lost revenues

    Karachi, May 3, 2017 (AFP) -The Pakistan Cricket Board on Wednesday sent a legal notice to its Indian counterpart for failing to honour an agreement to play a bilateral series, saying this had cost them $60 million.

    The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) in 2014 under which they were due to play six series -- four to be hosted by Pakistan -- between 2015 and 2023.

    But New Delhi denied clearance for the series following strained diplomatic relations between India and Pakistan owing to ceasefire violations in the disputed Himalayan state of Kashmir.

    PCB chairman Shaharyar Khan said legal measures were being sought as Pakistan was suffering lost revenues.

    "We have initiated the legal process by sending BCCI a Notice of Dispute under the Dispute Resolution Committee Terms of reference of the International Cricket Council," Khan told AFP.

    "PCB has claimed the losses and damage suffered by it, which comes to around 60 million dollars, as a result of BCCI's breaches of the agreement."

    Under the agreement India were due to take on Pakistan in November-December 2015, but they refused to play in the neutral venues of United Arab Emirates or Sri Lanka.

    Pakistan is due to tour India in November-December of this year but that is also highly unlikely as New Delhi continues a boycott of bilateral series which started in the wake of the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

    The attacks, blamed on militants from Pakistan, left 166 people dead including foreign tourists and brought the two nations close to another war.

    Pakistan did tour India for a short limited-over series in December 2012 but the arch-rivals have not played a full bilateral series since 2007.

    The government of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has also refused visas to Pakistan's junior hockey team, wrestling team and squash players in the last 12 months.

    Khan said if the BCCI did not reply in seven days the matter would be taken to the International Cricket Council's Dispute Committee.

    Cricket matches between Pakistan and India attract millions of viewers around the world and generate huge revenues.

    Despite the bilateral boycott the teams have faced each other in ICC events and are are due to meet in a Champions Trophy match in Birmingham on June 4 this year.

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/pak...enues-20170503


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    We have been hearing threats for years, our cricket has adapted to work without BCCI tours. Long may it continue.
    Precisely, this might happen, that might happen. PCB have been running scared of the bullying boys called BCCI for a while and it's about time they stood up for themselves. They have tried to bend over backwards on umpteen occasions to accommodate BCCI but they always make empty promises, nothing will change unless a stand is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Well, yes and no.

    The BCCI signed a detailed MOU in 2014 with the PCB for home and away series in 2014 and 2015.

    But a huge papertrail shows that when Pakistan's Cricket Board sent registered mail to schedule the December 2015 tour it received no reply at any stage. And when its Chairman visited India, he was ignored.

    At no point did the BCCI state that the series was impossible due to political prohibition. And lawyers of the calibre that the PCB has previously engaged in London would destroy the "government prohibition" defence, especially as the BCCI failed to communicate that at the time. And failed to communicate their non-participation at all, which left the PCB no time to schedule series against anyone else.

    Overall, the BCCI would almost certainly lose in a London court. And the fact that they are dependent upon huge ICC handouts means that they would have to contest such a trial - if they fail to do so they will lose and have the ICC remove the money from their handouts.
    You mean the crumbs PCB has been picking up off the floors isn't sufficient ? Was the papertrail registered by you ? Do you have information on all the fine details of the MOU ? perhaps a copy posted here would help me go through it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    You mean the crumbs PCB has been picking up off the floors isn't sufficient ? Was the papertrail registered by you ? Do you have information on all the fine details of the MOU ? perhaps a copy posted here would help me go through it as well.
    Yes India is always right and everyone else is always wrong bla bla bla.

    Cricket world has had enough of your BCCI corrupt mafia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Yes India is always right and everyone else is always wrong bla bla bla.

    Cricket world has had enough of your BCCI corrupt mafia.
    No this isn't about right or wrong. It's quite well known of ICC revenues being contributed by diff. cricketing boards. If BCCI knows it has a case worth debating and negotiating over with ICC in terms of revenue, then what's the big deal. There are 2 parties who matter - BCCI and ICC - and they are going back on forth. my concern isn't with the "big 3" model - let that be finished if need be . But in terms of revenue - If it is negotiating for its cause , why is everyone losing their mind ? Let's keep corruption aside , the lesser said about that the better.

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    first bcb and now bcci. also the bribe in the middle ... come on now, pcb.

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    Right time to put a case on BCCI ,being attacked by SC and also being humiliated by its own former member, BCCI needs to get in Srini or get its act together and then would love to see how people calling BCCI a burden and what not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Yes India is always right and everyone else is always wrong bla bla bla.

    Cricket world has had enough of your BCCI corrupt mafia.
    Though over the top, he has a point though.

    It depends upon the MoU. Generally MoUs are non binding. Since India Pakistan scenario is always uncertain, I am not sure BCCI would sign one which can lead to a lawsuit.

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    PCB is not getting anything out of this. On the other hand, lost possible chances of future tours and MoU.

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    They won't get a cent out if it, i can bet my house on it. But, Law firm handling will make tons. Is owner of that law firm related to someone in PCB?

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    Thoughts it was $200 million
    @Junaids can you shed details on the MOU that you have seen or your posts imply you have seen

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    PCB seeks nearly Rs 450 crore in compensation from BCCI

    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has demanded a compensation close to Rs 450 crore from the BCCI for not honouring the MOU to play six bilateral series between 2014 and 2023.

    The PCB had recently sent a notice to the Indian cricket Board. In the notice, PCB has complained that it suffered loses to the tune of USD 69,576,405 since Indian team missed the November 2014 and December 2015 series.

    The BCCI is to respond within seven days of receipt of notice, sent on May 3.

    The MOU, signed in 2014, was part of a deal between the two boards under which Pakistan supported the Big Three governance and financial model in the ICC.

    The BCCI has repeatedly turned down offers from the PCB for bilateral matches on the grounds that it is not being given clearance by its government due to tense relations between the two countries.

    The PCB informally had told the BCCI representatives at the recent ICC meeting of its decision to start legal proceedings against them to claim compensation.

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    Good step. BCCI is a weak board being built up by delusional fans. Right now is a good time to attack. Also considering how there is nothing wrong with this and all of PCB's claims and statements make sense and are facts, criticizing PCB would make absolutely no sense.

    PCB has every right to sue them for going against a written agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Good step. BCCI is a weak board being built up by delusional fans. Right now is a good time to attack. Also considering how there is nothing wrong with this and all of PCB's claims and statements make sense and are facts, criticizing PCB would make absolutely no sense.

    PCB has every right to sue them for going against a written agreement.
    I know right, to think that some people think PCB are wrong to even question BCCI goes to show the bullying mentality of some fans that it's ok to act like a dictator and then don't even dare to speak up, I mean are we still living in the roman era where dictatorship was never questioned? Get a grip people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    You mean the crumbs PCB has been picking up off the floors isn't sufficient ? Was the papertrail registered by you ? Do you have information on all the fine details of the MOU ? perhaps a copy posted here would help me go through it as well.
    You have trouble comprehending simple posts, MoUs are out of your league bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeuk View Post
    I know right, to think that some people think PCB are wrong to even question BCCI goes to show the bullying mentality of some fans that it's ok to act like a dictator and then don't even dare to speak up, I mean are we still living in the roman era where dictatorship was never questioned? Get a grip people.
    Worse are some Pakistani posters here who think that we are begging for this money. PCB has a principled this time, we are simply asking for something that is owed to us

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    Worse are some Pakistani posters here who think that we are begging for this money. PCB has a principled this time, we are simply asking for something that is owed to us
    I know, money we would have made from the series if it went ahead, let's just let other countries make a mockery of us and let's not make any money cos that's how cricket is going to develop in pakistan.

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    The Board of Control for Cricket in India on Sunday said legality of the Memorandum of Understanding between India and Pakistan cricket boards needs to be ascertained before it responds to a legal notice sent by Pakistan Cricket Board for not honouring the MoU between the two countries.

    Asked what will be the Indian board’s response to the legal notice claiming damages of approximately Rs 440 crore sent by PCB, acting BCCI secretary Amitabh Choudhary said, “It was just a letter from BCCI. It's not a formal contract as yet.”

    The MoU was signed by the then BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel in Dubai in 2014 when N. Srinivasan was the ICC chairman as well as India’s representative in the ICC board.

    Choudhary invoked the government permission rule for playing a bilateral series against Pakistan while defending India’s inability to play the arch rivals. “I can assure you this is a subject on which government has to accord permission. BCCI had already written to government in March 2017 regarding Future Tours Programme (FTP). So unless we get permission from them I cant make a comment.”

    Interestingly, no one in BCCI is really privy to the so called MoU. This MoU came into being after BCCI under Srinivasan promised PCB it will play a bilateral series on home and away basis for next five years with Pakistan. However, the Indian government has not given permission for the same since 2012 when Pakistan came to India for a one day series. The Indian government is extremely cagey about allowing India to play Pakistan in a neutral country.

    Former BCCI president Shashank Manohar had to reportedly request PCB to furnish a copy of it as none in BCCI had access to it.

    http://www.theweek.in/news/sports/In...-bcci-pcb.html
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    Nothing will happen; BCCI will contact gov, Modi will take a phone call to the "lion" of Lahore who also is the real leader of PCB and the next you will hear is that PCB has withdrawn the notice sent.


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    The reality is that the PCB will bow to the BCCI's wishes as soon as some financial incentive is offered. Or if the BCCI makes some false promise as they have in the past.



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    PCB can even make India big 3 again if india decided to tour Pakistan...

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    Karachi: The BCCI has rejected the PCB demand for compensation for not honouring the MoU signed between them saying that it was not binding.

    The Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Shaharyar Khan confirmed today that they have received a response from the BCCI on the notice sent to BCCI last week demanding USD 6.4 million as compensation for not playing with Pakistan in bilateral series as outlined in the MoU.

    "We have a got a reply from BCCI and they have raised some points. One of them is they don't consider the MOU a binding legal agreement between the two Boards. Secondly, they have pointed out that permission of government is necessary for any Indo-Pak series and since their government is not giving them permission, they can't play with us," Shaharyar said.


    Khan said the BCCI had also raised the issue of security problems in Pakistan which is why it couldn't tour the country.

    The PCB chief insisted that the MoU was a proper contract signed in 2014 as India had sought support for the Big Three governance and financial model system.

    "The MoU was signed with the knowledge of the ICC. We will send them another letter and if they don?t respond positively to our compensation demand or to play series then we have completed our homework to take our case to the ICC disputes resolution committee," he added.

    "Let me clear that the PCB's case is strong and we will go to the last stage to win at the ICC level since it is our right to demand justice."

    He also insisted that there was no clause in MoU about seeking government clearance and as it was it was India?s responsibility to get permission from their government and not the headache of the PCB.

    "We even were willing to go and play at any neutral venue so where does this security issue crop up. India has played international bilateral matches at neutral venues."


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    Can we please sue BCCI please? I'm sure Manohar will take Pakistan side and it will be an advantage to us..

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    Not liable to compensate, there was no formal agreement: BCCI tells PCB

    The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has forcefully ruled out paying any compensation to the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for not playing bilateral cricket with the cross-border neighbours. The Indian cricket board has also said that the PCB misconstrued a “tentative understanding” as a formal agreement. The BCCI reiterated that bilateral cricket with Pakistan was subject to Government approval, something that was not in the board’s control.

    “The BCCI is not liable to compensate the Pakistan Cricket Board (“PCB”) as asserted by you. The letter dated 9th April 2014 enclosed along with your Letter contemplated that the BCCI and the PCB will enter into a long form FTP Agreement in respect of the tours specified therein. The tentative understanding set out in the letter dated 9th April 2014 has not been formalised by way of a long form FTP Agreement, as was contemplated,” the BCCI letter, sent on Wednesday evening, said.

    On May 3, the PCB had slapped a notice on the BCCI for defaulting on a bilateral series twice as per the MoU signed between the two cricket boards in 2014. The PCB also claimed a compensation of $69,576,405.

    On April 9, 2014, then BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel had sent a letter to Najam Sethi, who was the PCB chairman then, agreeing to play 12 Tests, 30 ODIs and 12 T20 internationals between 2015 and 2022.

    Patel also said: “BCCI will make all efforts to engage in a limited over format short tour to Pakistan in November of 2014 based on the availability of possible dates.” But with the escalation in cross-border tensions, India-Pakistan bilateral cricket ties went on the backburner. The BCCI had approached the Union Home Ministry regarding the resumption of the bilateral series but didn’t get the permission to play even at a neutral venue, because the atmosphere wasn’t right.

    The PCB, meanwhile, had threatened legal action against the BCCI for breaching the MoU and eventually sent a notice of dispute.

    “In any event, the BCCI is not responsible for not i) engaging in a limited over format short tour to Pakistan in November 2014; and/or ii) playing the series scheduled for December 2015 since the same (as you are well aware) are, by their very nature, dependent on a whole host of factors including but not limited to the absence of necessary approvals/permissions/clearances (including from the Government of India), which are beyond the control of BCCI,” the Indian cricket board’s letter said.

    The BCCI has also advised the PCB to view its earlier missive, April 9, 2014, “in context”, including the “diplomatic relations between India and Pakistan”.

    A veiled warning

    Grapevine has it that the PCB might use India’s weakened position at the ICC; trying to have the global body on its side to put pressure on the BCCI. But the Indian board’s letter on Wednesday had a veiled warning. “Needless to state, this response is without prejudice to any rights, remedies and contentions available to the BCCI in relation to your Letter… Nothing contained in your Letter shall be deemed to be admitted by the BCCI.”

    India and Pakistan last played a bilateral series in 2012-13. The arch-rivals, however, are scheduled to meet for the ICC Champions Trophy Group B fixture at Birmingham on June 4.

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    Just sue them, FGS!


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    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    Worse are some Pakistani posters here who think that we are begging for this money. PCB has a principled this time, we are simply asking for something that is owed to us
    LOL what principle?

    BCB agreed to play in UAE, but PCB insisted them on touring Pakistan.

    And now they have a problem when BCCI refuse to play in UAE?

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    Pakistan and principles?
    Not saying India is a beacon of principles.But this is funny.

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    PCB are wasting their time and money , there was no formal binding contract.


    PCB should have first signed a contract before going in to support bcci in th big three matter , losers on both fronts i guess.


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    Shut up and sue and we know what will happen...


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