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    Champions Trophy 2017 : Indo-Pakistan group-stage clash will not be a cakewalk for Virat Kohli & Co

    Writing for FirstPost Sports, Saj previews the marquee Champions Trophy clash between the two arch-rivals and warns India against complacency.




    And so, it’s that time again. For the millions of fans of Indian and Pakistan cricket, the next few weeks will mark a unique period of time where the subject of cricket will consume each and every conversation at work, school, and across dinner tables; when social media and online forums will have only one topic to discuss – the upcoming India versus Pakistan clash at Birmingham in the ICC Champions Trophy on 4 June. The arch-rivals are set to renew what is possibly the greatest sporting rivalry on the planet.


    But the lead-up to this game has not been without its fair share of drama. The "will they, or won’t they" participate in the Champions Trophy debate for the India team has thankfully been resolved, with a positive result for the fans of cricket. Pakistan, on the other hand, have had a slightly more uneventful journey towards this ICC mega event. That is unless you discount the recent furore regarding spot-fixing allegations which, thankfully, has not affected any member of the Champions Trophy squad.

    File image of Indian captain Virat Kohli playing against Pakistan. PTIFile image of Indian captain Virat Kohli. PTI
    As always though, there is some needle. This time, it is the PCB’s demand for compensation from the BCCI for their failure to play a bilateral series and whilst some to and fro is expected on this matter, before the first ball is bowled in Birmingham, by and large, the game of cricket and its possible result that day should be the main topic of discussion going forward.

    If history is any guide, the Men in Blue should be the more confident side going into this tournament. As holders of the title, by dint of their victory in 2013, the Indian team will be looked upon as clear favourites given their superb and rather embarrassing (for Pakistanis) record where they hold an 11-0 win superiority against Pakistan in the 50 and 20 over versions of ICC’s World Cup competitions. But the record in Champions Trophy tournaments is better for Pakistan, where they have won twice and lost once to their arch rivals.

    As is customary for such high-profile encounters, whilst being slightly cautious, no side will be backing down in the pre-game build-up. Pakistan's chief selector, Inzamam-ul-Haq, has opened his side’s account with his remarks stating that, "We don’t have a great record against India in major events but every day is a new day". Not to be left far behind, Sourav Ganguly fired India's opening salvo stating that the difference in quality between both sides pretty much guarantees an Indian victory.

    But words are cheap and as we all know, no India-Pakistan encounter can ever be taken easily by any of the sides, for danger of embarrassment and public humiliation. So, can the denizens of Birmingham and the millions watching on their television sets expect a blockbuster on 4 June and do the Pakistan team – currently rated eighth in ODI rankings – have the wherewithal to mount a serious challenge to the current champions?

    It would be a fair assessment to say that the choice of personnel for Pakistan's 15-man squad bound for the Champions Trophy has not met with universal acclaim. The choice of former ODI captain Azhar Ali has resulted in some amount of ridicule being heaped on the selectors as has the re-emergence of Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal.

    Whilst Shoaib Malik remains a sensible choice due to his new-found confidence, Mohammad Hafeez has also been enjoying a period of renaissance which will please Pakistan fans. In a sense, the tried-and-tested brigade represents the answer to call of including "experience" in the Pakistan squad, which the selectors have succumbed to. But the real excitement for Pakistan supporters is in the youth section.

    In Imad Wasim, Pakistan have a more than an able all-rounder who has the ability to take the game to the opposition in more ways than one; whilst Shadab Khan, fresh from his success in the limited-overs series against the West Indies is also one to watch, as his debut series yielded a total of 15 wickets in seven games; Hasan Ali, with his brilliant array of slower deliveries, can put a dent in any batting line-up; and a fired-up Mohammad Amir could prove to be a match-winner for Pakistan. Whilst the bowling has never really been a problem for Pakistan, it is also heartening to see that the batting seems to have enough teeth now to challenge a confident Indian bowling line-up.

    If Pakistan are to go head-to-head with a rampant Indian batting line-up, it will be the likes of Babar Azam, with a fantastic run in ODIs with 1322 runs and five centuries to his name, who will be the standard-bearer for their team.
    Fakhar Zaman may be a name not known to many outside Pakistan but anyone watching the recently concluded Pakistan One-Day Cup would have seen the excellence in his batting, which led his team Balochistan to lift the domestic trophy.

    The weight of history, where India has traditionally ruled the roost in ICC competitions, could well put a reverse pressure on the current title holders. Regardless of any pressure, the fact is that the Indian batting line-up reads like the who’s who of world cricket, boasting of names like Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Yuvraj Singh. It will take a performance of some grit to defy the odds if Pakistan are to win in the Midlands.

    What Pakistan do have now, and which could have been lacking in previous years, is a captain in the shape of Sarfraz Ahmed who is no stranger to courage and possesses a distinct never-say-die-attitude. He leads from the front with an iron will and determination and as his current stellar record in ODIs seems to suggest, his team responds with the same enthusiasm.

    Pakistan know that they will have their toughest game when they step onto the field in Edgbaston but they will do so confident in the knowledge that they have the ability to fight fire with fire. Whilst Ganguly’s optimism bordering on arrogance and his analysis of the record books may have some merit, he and India will be well-advised to not underestimate the resolve in Sarfraz’s team. As previous opponents have found out over the years, writing off a dangerous opponent like Pakistan can play into their hands.

    http://www.firstpost.com/sports/icc-...o-3434752.html
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    India will win comfortably. Pakistan team has no star power. They should consider bringing Afridi back.

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    Cakewalk?

    I don't think our batting has been any weaker in an ODI ever. I would be surprised if Pakistan manage to lose this.

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    Number 3 vs number 8.


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    India will win this comfortably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Number 3 vs number 8.
    That's about it.

    If Pakistan somehow manage to put a fight, I'll be proud of 'em

    India's game!


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    After all the hype of Indo-Pak icc tournament's match , Pak will bottle it like always.

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    India's game to lose.
    Last edited by MenInG; 10th May 2017 at 14:32.


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    India to win by 6 wickets.

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    India's gonna win this, and the 2019 wc matchup. We shouldn't even compete, just forfeit before the game starts.


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    India should hope their loss is atleast a respectable one. Can't afford to start off with a poor NRR in such a high-profile tournament.


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    A cricket game between top teams is never a cakewalk even though one team may be much stronger than the other. A few bad shots, a few catches dropped or falling in an area where there is no fielder can all change a game. There are no second chances in ODIs for batsmen and hence their teams.

    Having said that, I would say that India is favored to win, and the probability of their winning is 75%. A probability of 25% of losing is quite significant and no one should be surprised if it happens. It is simply the probability of tossing a coin twice and getting heads twice. The 11-0 record is an aberration and would never have happened if India was not aided by the mental fragility of Pakistani players.

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    I hope we have a Centurion '03 like game.

    Our last few encounters except for Asia Cup (It was a t20 meh) have been pretty one sided. While its enjoyable to dominate Pakistan its not so satisfying. Need a last over finish with India coming out on top of course.

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    For the cricket lovers sake hope it's not one sided. After all that's why the fans tune in.

    One is saddenrd to see the empty stands in the west indies now.. it's a sorry sight to what it was in the 70's and 80's

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    I don't find any reason why our performance would be better this time around.

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    Azhar < Rohit
    Shehzad < Shikhar
    Babar < Kohli
    Hafeez < Dhoni
    Malik = Yuvi
    Sarfraz = Pandey
    Imad > Pandya
    Shadab < Jadeja
    Amir > Ashwin
    Hassan = Shami
    Junaid < Bhuvi

    You can see that no.5 to no.11, is more or less equal, for both the teams.

    The top order, is what sets up the match, and that is where Pakistan is miles behind.

    Had Pakistan had their luck, then this should have been the top order.

    Sharjeel > Rohit
    Fakhar < Shikhar
    Babar < Kohli
    Haris = Dhoni

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    Indian Team: Champions Trophy 2017

    1. Sikhar Dhawan / Ajinkya Rahane
    2. Rohit Sharma
    3. Virat Kolhi
    4. Yuvraj Singh / Manish Pandey
    5. Kedar Jadav / Hardik Pandya
    6. MS Dhoni
    7. Ravichandran Ashwin
    8. Ravinder Jadeja
    9. Bhuvaneshwar Kumar
    10. Mohd Shami / Umesh Yadav
    11. Jasprit Bumrah

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    Quote Originally Posted by fazleefridi View Post
    Azhar < Rohit
    Shehzad < Shikhar
    Babar < Kohli
    Hafeez < Dhoni
    Malik = Yuvi
    Sarfraz = Pandey
    Imad > Pandya
    Shadab < Jadeja
    Amir > Ashwin
    Hassan = Shami
    Junaid < Bhuvi

    You can see that no.5 to no.11, is more or less equal, for both the teams.

    The top order, is what sets up the match, and that is where Pakistan is miles behind.

    Had Pakistan had their luck, then this should have been the top order.

    Sharjeel > Rohit
    Fakhar < Shikhar
    Babar < Kohli
    Haris = Dhoni
    Junaid is better than Bhuvi and Sarfraz is better than Pandey.

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    Pakistan will win this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    I hope we have a Centurion '03 like game.

    Our last few encounters except for Asia Cup (It was a t20 meh) have been pretty one sided. While its enjoyable to dominate Pakistan its not so satisfying. Need a last over finish with India coming out on top of course.
    Naa man we need Amir to Kohli last ball 2 runs needed.
    Amir bowls middle stump reverse swinging yorker Kohli misses flamingo shot and wicket is broken.
    Pakistan win!

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    It's a game after all. Any team can win or lose.

    But chances of India winning is higher due to the Simple logic that it's a much stronger anf experienced team.

    Also the Indian Team doesn't take that much stress on themselves

    Reason 1. Even if they lose its not the end of the world for Indian spectators.

    Reason 2. The players are already financially secure to worry about not performing.
    Last edited by Kabir81; 11th May 2017 at 14:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabir81 View Post
    It's a game after all. Any team can win or lose.

    But chances of India winning is higher due to the Simple logic that it's a much stronger anf experienced team.

    Also the Indian Team doesn't take that much stress on themselves

    Reason 1. Even if they lose its not the end of the world for Indian spectators.

    Reason 2. The players are already financially secure to worry about not performing.
    So are the Pakistani players! They might not be as rich as the Indian ones, but surely they make enough to be financially secure.

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    Good piece.

    Hope we get a competitive game with Pakistan winning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabir81 View Post
    It's a game after all. Any team can win or lose.

    But chances of India winning is higher due to the Simple logic that it's a much stronger anf experienced team.

    Also the Indian Team doesn't take that much stress on themselves

    Reason 1. Even if they lose its not the end of the world for Indian spectators.

    Reason 2. The players are already financially secure to worry about not performing.
    The only change from past is (probably post 2003 world cup finals) we no more burn papers in the stadium, throw stones at players, burn effigies on streets. But otherwise there is always strong criticism in the media/fans circle regarding under-performance of players/team. The outburst in the past was due to the fact that even if we lose the matches we were forced to stick with the Azharuddins, Manjrekars, Prabhakars, Mongias, Chouhans... (as the bench-strength was even gutter-grades!) This is what was adding to our agony (the fact that we should stick to third grade players and keep seeing them lose after lose!) So your logic somehow applies to that era (Indian players in the past were secured for this lame fact!) But today our players know that if they go through 1 or 2 off seasons, their position in the team is axed (ask Gambhir!) We may not cry in the road, but we will make the player cry... So it will push them up! And Gambhir even though is doing so well in IPL (winning trophies as well) is very much keen to get back to National team, that says the importance of being in the limelights of limelights! (not just 2 months of IPL but also 8 odd months of international cricket is needed, besides endorsements which comes in the way of TOP international player! Ask Kohli!) We have become professional, but we have retained the nice mixture of patriotism/culture!

    If all these things are taken into consideration, then your logic actually holds good to current Pakistani team (who are more or less similar to Indian team of 90s) They are going into the match as underdogs, may not worry much about winning it (and also their fans/media may not go as animated/agitated as Indian counterparts! That eases them up further!)

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    Our bowling is back to 2011 level. This will be tough for India.

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    Only Pakistani player I am worried about is Amir. If he has a good day, Pakistan will run India close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Only Pakistani player I am worried about is Amir. If he has a good day, Pakistan will run India close.
    We will manhandle Amir. He is a good bowler but greatly over-rated by well oiled hype machinery.

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    I am actually sensing a bowler friendly pitch where Indian bowlers may actually out-bowl the Pakistani counterparts. The shortcoming in the Indian batting may not come into picture!

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    Players to look forward to:

    Hasan Ali
    Imad Wasim
    Babar Azam
    Sarfraz Ahmed

    This is a complete different Pakistan side now. I'm for a nail biter

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    Pak Vs SL would be more exciting and well matched than Ind. Ind is too strong off an opponent for the current PAK team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Our bowling is back to 2011 level. This will be tough for India.
    Jasprit Bumrah and Bhuvaneshwar Kumar among the Best Limited overs bowlers currently. Their yorkers has been very effective this 2017 IPL season.

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    Sarfaraz Ahmed is one player with positive attitude. I am guessing he could play an important role.

    Pakistan will miss Sharjeel

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    Azhar Ali's tuk tuk will kill any chance of us getting a decent total. Totally poor selection for LOIs. I hope fakhar plays in his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Azhar Ali's tuk tuk will kill any chance of us getting a decent total. Totally poor selection for LOIs. I hope fakhar plays in his place.
    Wasn't Azhar Ali dropped from ODI squad? Is he in CT squad?


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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynical View Post
    Wasn't Azhar Ali dropped from ODI squad? Is he in CT squad?
    yes he was dropped from ODI and then miraculously re-selected for CT.

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    if pak is able to beat India I'll donate my whole savings. But it full faith in my Pak team, my savings aren't going anywhere.

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    The color of India vs Pakistan has been lost.Criminal: Pakistan.India has become a far superior side.I actually become annoyed to see an India vs Pakistan match coming up in an ICC tournament.Result is predictable,so why feel excited.It is not 1997,it's 2017 when Indian tiger roars and Pakistani cat mews....uneven clash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Our bowling is back to 2011 level. This will be tough for India.
    Pakistan's bowling is not back to 2011 level.India has better spinner than Pakistan.Bhuvi,Shami is better than Aamir,Wahab.
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    Hope we have a great match on our hands. That's all I care

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamaadqureshi819 View Post
    if pak is able to beat India I'll donate my whole savings. But it full faith in my Pak team, my savings aren't going anywhere.
    Then get ready to donate your all savings.. Green Storm is coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    Pakistan's bowling is not back to 2011 level.India has better spinner than Pakistan.Bhuvi,Shami is better than Aamir,Wahab.
    In swing conditions, I do feel bhuvi can out bowl Amir. But on flat Amir is slightly ahead.
    Shami is obviously head and shoulders above Wahab. Bumrah is the best death bowler in the world currently.

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    Our ODI batting has gone back to the 90's. Sharma's purple patch seems to be over. Dhawan is a hack. Kohli is horribly out of form (apparently struggling in IPL) . Two has-beens in Dhoni and Yuvi. What an utterly rubbish lineup. Pakistan are favourites and we start as underdogs here.


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    Pakistan is unstoppable, the Green Tigers. Anything short of a convincing Pakistani win would be an upset imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Our ODI batting has gone back to the 90's. Sharma's purple patch seems to be over. Dhawan is a hack. Kohli is horribly out of form (apparently struggling in IPL) . Two has-beens in Dhoni and Yuvi. What an utterly rubbish lineup. Pakistan are favourites and we start as underdogs here.
    Pakistan's batting line up is even more horrible,fragile.Even this out of form Indian batting line up will outperform Pakistan 7 out of 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    In swing conditions, I do feel bhuvi can out bowl Amir. But on flat Amir is slightly ahead.
    Shami is obviously head and shoulders above Wahab. Bumrah is the best death bowler in the world currently.
    Bumrah is an exceptional death bowler,best in the world now.I just forgot him during typing my post.Bumrah is too young in international carrier.He is expected to get better with time.He is economical and he can bowl very good yorkers,an art forgotten by pacers now a days.Hassan Ali is also good during death overs,he has good slower deliveries in his armory.But overall Bumrah is more dependable than Hassan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Our ODI batting has gone back to the 90's. Sharma's purple patch seems to be over. Dhawan is a hack. Kohli is horribly out of form (apparently struggling in IPL) . Two has-beens in Dhoni and Yuvi. What an utterly rubbish lineup. Pakistan are favourites and we start as underdogs here.
    I wouldn't worry about Batting and the Indian Team especially with young Talents like Rishabh Pant and Rahul Tripathi waiting for their Chance.

    It's also very hearting to see exciting fast bowling talents like Basil Thampi and Mohammed Siraj perform against the best in the world but yet to play for India.

    Common sense says Indians are much stronger and experienced than Pakistan.. but then it's a sport, one team will win the other lose and it can be any team
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    Pakistan's batting line up is even more horrible,fragile.Even this out of form Indian batting line up will outperform Pakistan 7 out of 10.
    I hope so brother but their lineup actually looks better right now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    Bumrah is an exceptional death bowler,best in the world now.I just forgot him during typing my post.Bumrah is too young in international carrier.He is expected to get better with time.He is economical and he can bowl very good yorkers,an art forgotten by pacers now a days.

    Hassan Ali is also good during death overs,he has good slower deliveries in his armory.But overall Bumrah is more dependable than Hassan.
    Agree with you about Bumrah. He is very good. This ongoing IPL 2017 had a Super over that Bumrah bowled.. and boy did he outfox Pollard and Faulkner in that over.

    In fact Bumrah, Shami and Bhuvaneshwar Kumar all can bowl Fast (& Slow) Yorkers at will.

    Even uncapped young fast bowler Basil Thampi has shown immense control and effectiveness with telling yorkers.

    Plus all these bowlers can cross 140 kmph (even Bhuvaneshwar has picked up his pace)

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    Pakistan will win easy. Green storm is coming.

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    Sarfraz XI is unstoppable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    I hope so brother but their lineup actually looks better right now.
    Shehzad,Azhar Ali,Mohammad Hafeez these 3 at the top order make Pakistani batting vulnerable to chase even 230.

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    Watch out for the Men In Green. Led by "the Green General" himself! Pakistan are going to crush India!


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    We hype this Pakistan-India match to high heavens, media goes into a frenzy, and the players inevitably crumble under the pressure.

    I know these are international players who should be mentally tough enough to able to handle the spotlight, but Pakistan time and again in recent years have let themselves down against India.

    Maybe its a reflection of the fact we don't play India in regular series so the players aren't exposed enough to the occasion as they used to be in the 80s, 90s and 00s when the two sides would frequently face each other.

    The CT selections have been universally met with negativity from Pak fans, with a batting lineup horribly underequipped for today's ODI cricket where 300+ scores are the norm. The bowling is decent but I'd have excluded Junaid Khan who hasn't impressed in recent times.

    I expect flat, batting-friendly pitches in England for the tournament unless weather intervenes so wouldn't worry too much about the conditions.

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    Another pathetic attempt by Rohit today. If he is the opener, then India is already playing 1 batsman short.

    If Rahane is playing too, then India are playing 2 batsman short.

    If Yuvi the joke is playing, we are 3 batsman short.

    India should hope that they score 250 at least to have a shot at winning the game. We have enough bowling to bundle out Pak cheaply.

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    I honestly feel it will be a close to a cake walk for India.

    I never felt this way in my previous 25 years because Pakistan always had top quality ODI players. Even back in 2011 semi final when India were favourites I thought Pak still had enough quality to win.

    The difference now is that Pakistan is a fairly mediocre one day unit, beside a few players like Amir and Imad. And even if these two perform they can still lose if others don't contribute significantly.

    But for me the biggest let down was the poor squad selected. What justifies Azhar Ali and Ahmed Shezhad to come back ??

    I will give them 20% chance, that too if Pak chase and bundle India under a 250 score.

    What angers me more is that nothing much has changed in the last 4 years.
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    India vs Pakistan matches are never cakewalk even when in Asia cup you guys got out for double digit score it needed a special innings from Kohli to chase such a low total.. The pressure is too much and players don't perform to their maximum potential so it evens it out.. Having said that I would be really disappointed if we lose to the current Pakistani line up..

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    Am glad India are red hot favorites and Pakistan are the underdogs.

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    Not a single pakistani batsmen in our ODI team/starting 11 is good enough to replace anyone in Indian batting line up. India will win game with ease as our batting is not good enough to compete.

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    We could bowl them out for 150

    And still fail because our batsman like block balls thinking it's an extraordinary thing to do

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    Our batting is weak and unreliable, especially on the batting-shootout decks of England. But always expect the Pak lineup to bottle it against us. Still its 55-45 to Pak.

    We'll worry about the REAL STREAK !. This one may end ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Not a single pakistani batsmen in our ODI team/starting 11 is good enough to replace anyone in Indian batting line up. India will win game with ease as our batting is not good enough to compete.
    India selected a bunch of hasbeens and terribly out of form players who are returning from injury.

    Not one Indian batsmen could play a meaningful knock in the ongoing IPL flat beds. Rohit Sharma is the absolute worst of all in terms of Form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    India selected a bunch of hasbeens and terribly out of form players who are returning from injury.

    Not one Indian batsmen could play a meaningful knock in the ongoing IPL flat beds. Rohit Sharma is the absolute worst of all in terms of Form.
    IPL is completely different to 50 over ODI cricket and the performance in the hit and giggle tourney have no bearing on ICC 50 over competition. Also Indian batsmen usually save their best for ICC ODI tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    We hype this Pakistan-India match to high heavens, media goes into a frenzy, and the players inevitably crumble under the pressure.

    I know these are international players who should be mentally tough enough to able to handle the spotlight, but Pakistan time and again in recent years have let themselves down against India.

    Maybe its a reflection of the fact we don't play India in regular series so the players aren't exposed enough to the occasion as they used to be in the 80s, 90s and 00s when the two sides would frequently face each other.

    The CT selections have been universally met with negativity from Pak fans, with a batting lineup horribly underequipped for today's ODI cricket where 300+ scores are the norm. The bowling is decent but I'd have excluded Junaid Khan who hasn't impressed in recent times.

    I expect flat, batting-friendly pitches in England for the tournament unless weather intervenes so wouldn't worry too much about the conditions.
    Weather is pretty cold now a days (here is DC is pretty cold for this time of the year), although its warming up from this week onward...UK is roughly 10F lower than here...

    Weather would be more on the colder side since its early summer, we will know more, once we get close to the June 4.

    http://www.bbc.com/weather/2655603

    Conditions depend a lot upon weather, score can swing from 250 to 350 par depending upon weather. Last CT has all low scoring games...But unfortunately, they play better in seaming friendly conditions than us as well...

    Its a day game, bowling in morning will help, regardless we have to win the toss, we have been loosing it for sometime...


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    It all depends on the wicket. If it's flat, India will win. Because they just played IPL. If it's green, Pakistan will win. Because they just played a Test series.

    Though what we will probably see is increased pace and venom from Pakistani bowlers because they have nothing to lose. Indian bowlers will get tired after 4 overs. India won't get a batsman to last long from them. They will all perish due to big shots. It will be a low score from them. Pakistan will win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SandyB View Post
    Our batting is weak and unreliable, especially on the batting-shootout decks of England. But always expect the Pak lineup to bottle it against us. Still its 55-45 to Pak.

    We'll worry about the REAL STREAK !. This one may end ...

    Really?? - What are you chances against an actual team (AUS/SA/ENG) 95-5 ?? - Those are our chances against the big boys


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    We are playing against
    India, South Africa and Sri Lanka

    Have to win two of these, to get to semifinals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    We are playing against
    India, South Africa and Sri Lanka

    Have to win two of these, to get to semifinals.
    Also to qualify for WC we have to win atleast 2 matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Also to qualify for WC we have to win atleast 2 matches.
    I think we can do it man. Just win against one of India/SA and destroy SL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    I think we can do it man. Just win against one of India/SA and destroy SL.
    yup definitely possible for us. we 've a better team this time and we're playing under an aggressive captain he'll give tough time to opposition.

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    ..... not buying we will loose to the Indians ..... but if I have to bet ..... it will be the Indians !!!!!

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    Yes it won't be a cakewalk but a landslide victory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Though what we will probably see is increased pace and venom from Pakistani bowlers because they have nothing to lose. Indian bowlers will get tired after 4 overs. India won't get a batsman to last long from them..
    I saw Aamir's pace in the west indies test series.

    Did you see Umesh's pace in the recent Test Series against Australia and New Zealand?
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    Firstly our bowlers should bowl straight no mucking around and if they bowl sense InshALLAH India can't win

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    With Shami, Bhuvaneshwar and Bumrah... Umesh might not get a chance to play.

    Watch India's best bowlers take on the world'should best power hitters on flat pitches at the IPL.

    My prediction... Indian bowlers are going to be much better than Pakistan bowlers.

    Don't forget the highest one dayear score of 444 was done against the pak bowling attack in 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabir81 View Post
    I saw Aamir's pace in the west indies test series.

    Did you see Umesh's pace in the recent Test Series against Australia and New Zealand?
    Amir, Yadav, Bumrah and Shami all have the same pace (Fast-Medium). Kumar and Junaid are the same (Medium-Fast) since Kumar has gained a bit and Junaid has lost some. Riaz is faster than all of them (Fast).


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    ^Hasan has the same pace as Amir, Yadav, Bumrah and Shami too.

    So:

    Medium-Fast:
    Bhuvneshwar
    Junaid

    Fast-Medium:
    Umesh
    Jasprit
    Amir
    Shami

    Fast:
    Wahab
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Amir, Yadav, Bumrah and Shami all have the same pace (Fast-Medium). Kumar and Junaid are the same (Medium-Fast) since Kumar has gained a bit and Junaid has lost some. Riaz is faster than all of them (Fast).
    Bring just fast does not mean a thing. Unless the bowler has control and also knows how to bowl intelligently. Cricket has changed a lot and so has modern day cricketers

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    Also till 7-8 all Indian batsman are certified and experienced big time power hitters. Plus they are also proper batsman and not just sloggers

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