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    Mohammad Abbas in ODIs?

    Okay, it may be a bit premature for Abbas to be drafted into the ODI squad, but skill-wise he's shown more than Rahat, Wahab, Junaid have in recent times. He's nippy enough, accurate, swings it and doesn't seem like a mental midget.

    We really need someone who can swing the new ball up front, and he's done a better job than Amir thus far. I think it'd be asking too much of our selectors to show some forward thinking by including him in the squad though.

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    No from Me.


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    Waqar was saying the same thing on commentary, but I disagree with the idea.


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    His list A stats are mediocre, don't expect him to do well even if he gets games.

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    nope


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    He has a very good control on his bowling, won't be a bad choice in ODI but has to improve his fielding and fitness. Doesn't look like very athletic individual.

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    If he plays in odis I think he would have to be used with the new ball only. Can't see him doing much in the middle overs and at the death.

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    No, it will be stupid when it's clear he's a Test type bowler.

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    I do feel he has a lot of room for improvement physically, as he's carrying a bit of fat around his chest and waist. Can easily up his pace 5-7ks with some strength and conditioning training too. Hopefully that would bring about an improvement in his fielding too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zayn View Post
    I do feel he has a lot of room for improvement physically, as he's carrying a bit of fat around his chest and waist. Can easily up his pace 5-7ks with some strength and conditioning training too. Hopefully that would bring about an improvement in his fielding too.

    Hopefully 6 months under Arthur will help improve his fitness and fielding .

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    Quote Originally Posted by zayn View Post
    I do feel he has a lot of room for improvement physically, as he's carrying a bit of fat around his chest and waist. Can easily up his pace 5-7ks with some strength and conditioning training too. Hopefully that would bring about an improvement in his fielding too.
    Assuming he is actually close to 27 that js

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    no i think he should be a Test specialist. He is suited for Tests with his bowling style. On flat ODI bhattas he will get taken apart.

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    I don't think so. Reckon he's an FC specialist, a bit like Mir Hamza.


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    No, but he isn't worse than Junaid.

    But there are other, superior options.


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    I would have Anwar Ali over Mohammad Abbas


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    No we have better options.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    No we have better options.
    Like who?

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    Nah I'd rather keep him in Tests, doesn't seem the type to handle ODI's well. Need to look for modern ODI players.

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    All those saying no, you guys do realize that we have Junaid and Wahab in our ODI squad right?


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    In OD you need bowlers who can bat , there is room for maybe one specialist bowler , provided he is outstanding .

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    Did he play PSL? If so, how are his performances?

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    He is not an ODI bowler, but now he is in very good form & the condition in CT should suit his type of bowling. If he can control the white kookaburra, I think he is far better choice than JK & Wahab. What Sarfu will need is a 7+3 spell for him inside first 25 overs. Early wicket is the key in LO game, because apart from PAK, every team has their top 3 out of 4 players in top 3 & this guy can give that early break through regularly.

    Playing Abbas gives PAK a better balance as well, because that allows smaller 3 spells from Amir & Hasan can be preserved for later overs. His fielding & batting is an issue, but don't think JK is better in either aspect.
    Last edited by MMHS; 14th May 2017 at 03:08.

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    Not ideal, but I'd take him over Wahab any day of the week.

    Has a brain, and can also bowl the yorker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zayn View Post
    Like who?
    Bashir, Irfan and Sultan.

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    Nope.

    He's a Test specialist.

    Last thing we want is him getting smacked in ODIs and then being dropped in Tests based on that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Bashir, Irfan and Sultan.
    Yes, I remember how they destroyed Australia, NZ and England not long ago..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Bashir, Irfan and Sultan.
    Who? Never heard of them. Any videos/links?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    No, but he isn't worse than Junaid.

    But there are other, superior options.
    who are those options ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Bashir, Irfan and Sultan.
    Only Bashir is ok-ish.
    Shinwari, Mudasar better options

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Did he play PSL? If so, how are his performances?
    No one picked him


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    Yeah play same 15 players in all formats, so we that we can destroy them sooner

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    Doesn't look like an ODI bowler, but then again, we have selected Junaid in our squad who is one of the worst bowlers in the world. If Abbas is to be selected, he should be given 7 overs upfront.

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    Have some patience, please. Just because he's doing well at the moment does not mean he has to become first choice in all three formats. Let him play tests for an year and then make the transition to the limited overs.

    We have a good thing going in ODIs at the moment so he it isn't like we're desperately needing a medium pacer who can make the ball move a bit. Amir, Junaid and Hassan make the ball move at better pace and Abbas is no enforcer like Riaz either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    He is not an ODI bowler, but now he is in very good form & the condition in CT should suit his type of bowling. If he can control the white kookaburra, I think he is far better choice than JK & Wahab. What Sarfu will need is a 7+3 spell for him inside first 25 overs. Early wicket is the key in LO game, because apart from PAK, every team has their top 3 out of 4 players in top 3 & this guy can give that early break through regularly.

    Playing Abbas gives PAK a better balance as well, because that allows smaller 3 spells from Amir & Hasan can be preserved for later overs. His fielding & batting is an issue, but don't think JK is better in either aspect.
    who is the better bowler among abbas.junaid rahat.wahab imran and sohail plus hmza.....test bowler i mean keeping in mind all conditions..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zayn View Post
    Like who?
    Abbas is more of a seam bowler who will do well with the new ball. We already have 2 v.good new ball bowlers in Amir and Hasan. Not much need of Abbas who wont bring much to the side with his lack of pace and in era of flat odi pitches.

    First I will give bowlers like Sadaf (swing bowler, and good at death) a chance, and then bowlers like Usman (good at death) and Sultan (quick and different than others) , Rumman Raees (for variations) a look first or some fast bowling allrounder. These are few who i think can give a better role considering our current odi side. There are few others which other posters know better but tbh I haven't seen them or followed their careers to give an opinion. Also Sohail khan who was wrongly dropped.
    Last edited by SarfiBabarHaris; 14th May 2017 at 12:42.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    who is the better bowler among abbas.junaid rahat.wahab imran and sohail plus hmza.....test bowler i mean keeping in mind all conditions..
    Different age group hence probably difficult to compare. AT their individual best, I'll still pick Wahab because of his pace & old ball skill. Abbas is in his purple patch against a pathetic side, which should have lost 3-0 to PAK inside 4 days both series in last 7-8 months, therefore his assessment is inconclusive. On potential Rahat was by far better, but he didn't grow from his tape ball cricket days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Doesn't look like an ODI bowler, but then again, we have selected Junaid in our squad who is one of the worst bowlers in the world. If Abbas is to be selected, he should be given 7 overs upfront.
    but but we will lose a bowler like junaid to england...lengand jaany k jo bat kar raha ha..

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    ODI bowling on flat decks of 2017 needs variations to succeed..

    Does he have good line and length in initial 3-4 overs to make use of new ball? - Yes I guess
    Does he have well disguised slower ball?
    Does he have a good Yorker?
    Does he have a good bouncer for surprise?

    He balls at 130ish so on today's flat decks he needs the above to succeed or increase his pace by 7-10kmph else he would be slaughtered..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    but but we will lose a bowler like junaid to england...lengand jaany k jo bat kar raha ha..
    He will struggle to get into the Ireland team, let alone England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He will struggle to get into the Irelandy has team, let alone England.
    here comes te argument of patriotism...plus the guy has done nothing in domestic,....how did inzi satisfy his zameer over the selection of junaid..azhar ..umar and hafiz is beyond my understanding .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    here comes te argument of patriotism...plus the guy has done nothing in domestic,....how did inzi satisfy his zameer over the selection of junaid..azhar ..umar and hafiz is beyond my understanding .......
    Don't worry about the zameer of a man who took half of the Pakistan team to fix matches in the ICL, and hosted the players to take oath against Younis in his house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadida97 View Post
    who are those options ?
    Another option is Ehsan Adil. Has played for Pakistan before. Is young, tall, swings and seams it at an okayish pace and obviously gets bounce too. Was a bit expensive in recent tournament, but he took wickets and I'd have him in the team over Abbas.


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    Has no pace. Can't survive. Plus a dud with the bat and a liability if the field with his abysmal fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Another option is Ehsan Adil. Has played for Pakistan before. Is young, tall, swings and seams it at an okayish pace and obviously gets bounce too. Was a bit expensive in recent tournament, but he took wickets and I'd have him in the team over Abbas.
    Ehsan Adil is the worst bowler I've ever seen. He can't seam or swing it, I don't know where you're getting that from. He was pathetic in the World Cup. Okayish pace? He bowls 128-133.

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    We lack good bowlers in ODIs, hence, he can be a decent choice considering the limited resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Ehsan Adil is the worst bowler I've ever seen. He can't seam or swing it, I don't know where you're getting that from. He was pathetic in the World Cup. Okayish pace? He bowls 128-133.
    I've seen him do it at around 140kph.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    I've seen him do it at around 140kph.
    So have I. The odd ball though. Frankly, if he can up his pace like Hasan Ali has, he'd be my first pick. Has good height and can learn to seam.

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    When it comes to fast bowling, Pakistan team is going through a crisis , I think. Severe dearth of fast bowling options and we are not expecting a Waqar Younis to emerge from somewhere anytime soon. Now you have a decent bowler in Abbas so there is no need not to use him in ODI. Yes, he has shortcomings, particularly his fitness and fielding but no better option is available ATM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Ehsan Adil is the worst bowler I've ever seen. He can't seam or swing it, I don't know where you're getting that from. He was pathetic in the World Cup. Okayish pace? He bowls 128-133.
    Ehsan is another case in the long list of talented cricket who show great talent at under 19 lever and then regress. He looked a great future allrounder in under 19 WC, along with Zia ul Haq ( fast bowler , not allrounder)but did not meet the expectation. Something serious
    Y wrong with the system, why can't we take these talented youngsters to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Ehsan is another case in the long list of talented cricket who show great talent at under 19 lever and then regress. He looked a great future allrounder in under 19 WC, along with Zia ul Haq ( fast bowler , not allrounder)but did not meet the expectation. Something serious
    Y wrong with the system, why can't we take these talented youngsters to the next level.
    Injuries and poor coaches like Aqib Javed who could not fix their own problems, let alone others. And Ehsan Adil didn't work on his fitness either. When Hasan Ali burst onto the scene, he was bowling 128-133 too. I never thought he would be anything special. Within a year, he was bowling at speeds of 146, 147 KPH and started picking up wickets despite not being half as tall as Ehsan. Why? Commitment. Our players want everything served in a platter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zayn View Post
    Okay, it may be a bit premature for Abbas to be drafted into the ODI squad, but skill-wise he's shown more than Rahat, Wahab, Junaid have in recent times. He's nippy enough, accurate, swings it and doesn't seem like a mental midget.

    We really need someone who can swing the new ball up front, and he's done a better job than Amir thus far. I think it'd be asking too much of our selectors to show some forward thinking by including him in the squad though.
    Abbas' performance in Tests is support for the notion that it is foolish to ignore domestic performance. We know that very few players do significantly better than their FC stats. Only if you want to disregard domestic performance should you select him for ODIs ahead of other candidates. Like Mir Hamza he has been an FC specialist in domestics, averaging 28 in List A, compared to the 18 averaged by Sadaf, Abbas' long time opening bowling partner for KRL. Other players who have consistently done better in List A cricket include Sohail Khan, on whom Mickey has put the proverbial pox, and Hasan Ali, who has deservedly been capped in ODIs. The problem is that our selectors are just the kind of people who routinely confuse ODIs and Tests, not understanding that these are now more than ever different games. We might as well pick Yasir again for the ODI team if this is our logic.

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    You can improve fitness , fielding and batting but having a brain and intelligence is blessing you inherit. Abbas possesses a good brain and he is hard working, a combination we don't see in many other fast bowler in Pakistan.

    We need to invest on his fitness and if he improves and add couple of yard to his pace, he can serve Pakistan well for at least 5-6 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don't worry about the zameer of a man who took half of the Pakistan team to fix matches in the ICL, and hosted the players to take oath against Younis in his house.
    really..those are serious allegations...by the way with each passing day inzi is losing his respect ...

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    No harm in trying him after the Champions Trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zayn View Post
    Who? Never heard of them. Any videos/links?
    Ehtesham Sultan:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LvqJw19cw

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    Quote Originally Posted by silent ischemia View Post
    Only Bashir is ok-ish.
    Shinwari, Mudasar better options
    Have you seen Sultan bowl?

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    I will take him over both Junaid and Wahab who are probably the worst fast bowlers in Asia.

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    Bowled a few good yorkers. We desperately need good swing bowlers in ODIs, and will gladly welcome Asif reincarnation.

    His List A numbers arent the worst. Worth a try

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    Why not , gets the new ball to swing and can get his yorker right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Have you seen Sultan bowl?
    Yes in that UAE tournament also featuring Zalmi, Durham etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyoOne View Post
    Bowled a few good yorkers. We desperately need good swing bowlers in ODIs, and will gladly welcome Asif reincarnation.

    His List A numbers arent the worst. Worth a try
    They're awful. Others averaging 18-20. They're also worth a try.

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    He is too slow for ODI, can only bowl with new ball, at the same time slowness in pace is a thing in Pakistan now, every body bowls in lows 130s, and get wacked in LOIs as well... He may be has some utility in CT (since early June could means seaming tracks), because of new ball control and seam movement...But long term no, Ruman Raees and Hasan are much better LOI bowlers...Junaid should not be in CT team, but unfortunately we have him...

    Overall Pakistan should be looking to develop 145 clicks bowlers and batsmen who can play at SR of 145 against 145 clicks bowlers, that should be the standard and what PPers, Fans and PCB should go after...Not these spin bashers batsmen and 130s trundlers, this is what minnows used to look for, now we are at that level?


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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    They're awful. Others averaging 18-20. They're also worth a try.
    An average of 28 (with an economy under 5) is far from awful. None of our current international bowlers have that average in ODIs. Plus, he's in the learning phase (age mid to late 20s).

    I'm all up for better performing List A bowlers, but, given the recent rend, we can easily infer that the selection committee would not easily pick Sadaf, and others, who average better, due to politics (in case of Sadaf) and their reluctance to try out fresh faces unless they top the charts. In such a scenario, I'll take Abbas over Junaid, Wahab and Rahat any day, in ODIs, due to his new ball skills and for showing a tendency to be quick learner. His bowling was a start improvement in third test from the first, and won accolades from Ion Bishop as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyoOne View Post
    An average of 28 (with an economy under 5) is far from awful. None of our current international bowlers have that average in ODIs. Plus, he's in the learning phase (age mid to late 20s).

    I'm all up for better performing List A bowlers, but, given the recent rend, we can easily infer that the selection committee would not easily pick Sadaf, and others, who average better, due to politics (in case of Sadaf) and their reluctance to try out fresh faces unless they top the charts. In such a scenario, I'll take Abbas over Junaid, Wahab and Rahat any day, in ODIs, due to his new ball skills and for showing a tendency to be quick learner. His bowling was a start improvement in third test from the first, and won accolades from Ion Bishop as well.
    It is awful. No question about it. We are talking about domestic standards here, as you well know. Junaid I think averaged 21-22 in domestic LAs at the time that he was selected and ended up averaging 28 in ODIs. Rahat averaged 30 something in domestics believe and ended up with an average of 36 in internationals. Basically the domestic numbers are meaningless in and of themselves as indicators of how well a player will perform in internationals. Ave 16 in domestics could well end up Ave 25 in internationals. But domestic numbers do give you a pretty decent idea of who will do better *comparatively* speaking. And by this logic it makes no sense to pick the guy who is number 15 in the list of domestic LA performers, because he performed in Tests. Again, it is like picking Yasir for ODIs. But do I believe that the selectors are ready to ignore such common sense because someone has performed on TV? Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyoOne View Post
    An average of 28 (with an economy under 5) is far from awful. None of our current international bowlers have that average in ODIs. Plus, he's in the learning phase (age mid to late 20s).

    I'm all up for better performing List A bowlers, but, given the recent rend, we can easily infer that the selection committee would not easily pick Sadaf, and others, who average better, due to politics (in case of Sadaf) and their reluctance to try out fresh faces unless they top the charts. In such a scenario, I'll take Abbas over Junaid, Wahab and Rahat any day, in ODIs, due to his new ball skills and for showing a tendency to be quick learner. His bowling was a start improvement in third test from the first, and won accolades from Ion Bishop as well.
    You have to make the argument for Abbas over someone like Sohail or Sadaf, not Junaid, and certainly not Wahab and Rahat.

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    Mohammad Abbas for the 2019 World Cup?

    Considering that the World Cup is happening in England and the weather around that time should be colder than the CT. I wouldn’t mind having Abbas and using him upfront for a seven over spell. Similar, to how Philander did for SA at one stage with considerable success in odis. If we think about it, at worst Case that Abbas does not pick wickets he might have figures of 7-2-24-0 considering his control over the new ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sher Khan View Post
    Considering that the World Cup is happening in England and the weather around that time should be colder than the CT. I wouldn’t mind having Abbas and using him upfront for a seven over spell. Similar, to how Philander did for SA at one stage with considerable success in odis. If we think about it, at worst Case that Abbas does not pick wickets he might have figures of 7-2-24-0 considering his control over the new ball.
    I very much doubt it. English odi pitches are flat as pancakes these days with 300 scores as par

    A 80mph with no odi exposure isnt going to return figures like uve just stated No against the best in the world


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    No. English LO pitches are mostly flat .

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    Doubt it as pitches are very flat in England.

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    I think we need a express fast bowler in our line, but i also do agree that there is a case for top-form Abbas. But he will have to be in top notch form to be there. Specially when we dont have a second bowler to compliment Amir

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    I want to see Shaheen Shan getting developed and play as Amir played in 2009 T20i.

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    Hassan and Aamir are locked. Fahim also locked. Pakistan need another fast bowler. Abbas does not bat or field well. Do not see him the team.

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    I would rather have Shaheen than Abbas...

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    Amir
    Hasan
    Shaheen/Junaid/Usman
    Faheem
    Shadab

    + Some overs from Talat and Haris

    Bowling attack - sorted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sher Khan View Post
    Considering that the World Cup is happening in England and the weather around that time should be colder than the CT. I wouldn’t mind having Abbas and using him upfront for a seven over spell. Similar, to how Philander did for SA at one stage with considerable success in odis. If we think about it, at worst Case that Abbas does not pick wickets he might have figures of 7-2-24-0 considering his control over the new ball.
    No, we already have Aamir for that.

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    Nope. Although he is a good bowler and i do like him in tests.

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    Pakistan ODI squad is petty well settled so chances are low


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    Oh God no, would be like Yamin as a frontline seamer - pure suicide

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    Bass rehn de. I won't play him in test matches and you are talking about Odis. Trundler of highest level.

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    Should Mohammad Abbas play ODIs?

    Has been doing well in tests ever since he started. Do you think he can replicate it in ODIs?

    We're missing a bowler who can bowl well with the new ball to partner Amir. Most of our pacers prefer the older ball, Hasan, Junaid, Raees etc. The only pacer who perhaps can bowl with the new ball decently (except Amir) is Shinwari.

    I'm quite liking this partnership by Amir and Abbas. Doesn't let up the pressure. I think it's worth a try in ODIs too, given none of our third pacers have been able to hold down a spot of late.


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