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    He does deserve at least one chance but i think he is not suited. Doesnt have pace or a killer slower ball. Cant hold a bat as well.

    Lets not distract ourselves from his Test performances.

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    No.

    Amir
    Hasan
    Shaheen
    Shadab
    Faheem

    + a few overs here and there from Talat and Haris.

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    No place for him. Plus we got bowlers who can bat a bit. Would have been different a few years back.


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    No. His List A stats suggest he is only a Test bowler.

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    Too much of a trundler to play limited overs.

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    no, his bowling style (medium pace, line and length) will get destroyed by any decent opener in ODIs on most wickets. his List A stats suggest that he's a much better bowler in tests / first class

    I would continue investing in Shinwari, Shaheen Shah, Faheem, Rumman in ODI's, along with Hassan and Amir

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    lol expect him to go for 90 off 10 overs

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakSarZameen View Post
    No. His List A stats suggest he is only a Test bowler.
    His List A stats aren't awful, it's 27.87. We're playing Junaid Khan for example who has worse list A stats. Raees has 26.77 which is a bit better but not much. Shinwari has excellent list A stats of 22.33.

    If he can bowl well upfront with the new ball, I'd argue that might be better than a potentially better bowler who can only bowl well with the old ball. And I don't know if we have a better new ball bowler in Pakistan atm other than Amir.

    Who would people here play instead out of interest?

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    Why not?? Play him in T20 as well so as Sami Aslam....
    Select 15 players and play them all 3 formats until they burns out

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    I wouldn't play him in T20s. He won't get burnt out lol, Pakistan play hardly any test cricket and Abbas's action and speed isn't exactly straining. Doesn't bat much either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    His List A stats aren't awful, it's 27.87. We're playing Junaid Khan for example who has worse list A stats. Raees has 26.77 which is a bit better but not much. Shinwari has excellent list A stats of 22.33.

    If he can bowl well upfront with the new ball, I'd argue that might be better than a potentially better bowler who can only bowl well with the old ball. And I don't know if we have a better new ball bowler in Pakistan atm other than Amir.

    Who would people here play instead out of interest?
    27 is not very good at all by current domestic standards. Its a bit worse than Riaz if I am not mistaken. Why would you play Abbas who averages 27 over Sadaf who averages 18? The gap in performance is huge. Yet what Abbas' continuing performance in international cricket reaffirms is that it is worth while paying attention to domestic performances records. International cricket is not easier than domestic cricket, most of the time, and there is no reason to expect bowlers who do relatively poorly in domestic cricket to be better against tougher competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    27 is not very good at all by current domestic standards. Its a bit worse than Riaz if I am not mistaken. Why would you play Abbas who averages 27 over Sadaf who averages 18? The gap in performance is huge. Yet what Abbas' continuing performance in international cricket reaffirms is that it is worth while paying attention to domestic performances records. International cricket is not easier than domestic cricket, most of the time, and there is no reason to expect bowlers who do relatively poorly in domestic cricket to be better against tougher competition.
    It's no longer 18 now 20 on flat wickets it's doubtful whether any fast bowler can average sub 25 in international one day cricket but on merit Sadaf deserves a chance he would've done better than Rahat in England in test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    27 is not very good at all by current domestic standards. Its a bit worse than Riaz if I am not mistaken. Why would you play Abbas who averages 27 over Sadaf who averages 18? The gap in performance is huge. Yet what Abbas' continuing performance in international cricket reaffirms is that it is worth while paying attention to domestic performances records. International cricket is not easier than domestic cricket, most of the time, and there is no reason to expect bowlers who do relatively poorly in domestic cricket to be better against tougher competition.
    I'm being realistic and I don't think Sadaf will be given a chance. He should be, but he won't in the near future.

    27 isn't great, but it's not bad either. As I said we are playing guys with similar bowling domestic records anyway. Junaid has a worse domestic record as of now (I think it used to be better). And Raees has a slightly better one. And yet these are our two main third pacer options atm. I wouldn't mind a bowler averaging 27 in ODIs who bowls well with the new ball atm.

    Riaz was actually decent till the two new ball rule ruined him. I think this is a big problem with a lot of our bowlers, they simply prefer the old ball, when ODIs favour the new ball with the rule changes. Too often team start off well against us, even if we tend to take wickets in the middle (with Hasan and Shadab). It'd be much nicer to start off strong too.

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    Keep him away from Odis

    If he has a successful time vs England , give Abbas an A contract, give him a fitness routine and let him play tests and county

    No reason for him to play Odis, we have better optiona anyway


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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    I'm being realistic and I don't think Sadaf will be given a chance. He should be, but he won't in the near future.

    27 isn't great, but it's not bad either. As I said we are playing guys with similar bowling domestic records anyway. Junaid has a worse domestic record as of now (I think it used to be better). And Raees has a slightly better one. And yet these are our two main third pacer options atm. I wouldn't mind a bowler averaging 27 in ODIs who bowls well with the new ball atm.

    Riaz was actually decent till the two new ball rule ruined him. I think this is a big problem with a lot of our bowlers, they simply prefer the old ball, when ODIs favour the new ball with the rule changes. Too often team start off well against us, even if we tend to take wickets in the middle (with Hasan and Shadab). It'd be much nicer to start off strong too.
    I hadn't realized Junaid's average was so poor, and his list A is worse than his ODI average. Yet for all the stick he gets, he was a standout performer in the CT; should have been included in the XI for the tournament.

    I don't see the case for Abbas in ODIs or T20 really. Again it is not about whether 27 is bad or not (it is deeply mediocre) Why would you pick a 27 over a 20-22? Of which there are more than Sadaf.

    If Abbas is unfit and Sadaf somehow still a taboo subject for the PCB, Shinwari should get the nod, he's a had a good international debut and has a better List A record than Abbas at ave 22.

    If not Shinwari perhaps Rumman; really just whoever has done best in recent domestic List A tourneys. Work down the list. But Abbas is not really up there as far as I know. And again, I am huge fan of his as a Test bowler.

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    Why isn't Mohammad Abbas tried in ODIs as an option?

    I think he bowled quite well during our Test series and could have been tried during an ODI series. He could be the next Asif

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    Several reasons. He's a test bowler. That format of the game suits his style. Plus, he can't field and nor can he bat. Moreover, look at his FC stats vs List A. That should give you the answer. Similar to Mir Hamza.

    He's a new ball specialist. He will get hammered as the ball wears down. Basically, he's not suited for ODI's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Something View Post
    Several reasons. He's a test bowler. That format of the game suits his style. Plus, he can't field and nor can he bat. Moreover, look at his FC stats vs List A. That should give you the answer. Similar to Mir Hamza.

    He's a new ball specialist. He will get hammered as the ball wears down. Basically, he's not suited for ODI's
    He played some t20's for his Leceister and did pretty well actually. He would give you 1 or 2 wickets every powerplay each game plus he has a good yorker so he can bowl with the old ball as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amirforpresident View Post
    He played some t20's for his Leceister and did pretty well actually. He would give you 1 or 2 wickets every powerplay each game plus he has a good yorker so he can bowl with the old ball as well.
    He averages 41 in T20's compared to 17.69 in tests. Also, his economy is almost 9 in T20's

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    Unless he's very accurate and has a good Yorker he won't succeed on flat wickets bowling 125kph in limited overs.
    By now Sadaf should've been tried as he has done well in List A cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amirforpresident View Post
    He played some t20's for his Leceister and did pretty well actually. He would give you 1 or 2 wickets every powerplay each game plus he has a good yorker so he can bowl with the old ball as well.
    You do realise Leicester is division 2 in uk. And those 4/5 day performances have come under cloudy skies and fast pitches. No doubt he’s our only world class bowler but the UAE requires not just one good bowler but at least a good fast bowling pair and a couple of very good spin options.

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    Should have been part of the squad for ages now. He has bowled well in Asia, West Indies and UK now so has taken wickets in all conditions. He has a knack of picking top order wickets. And is comfortable opening the bowler.

    In contrast atm only Amir is comfortable opening the bowling. And Amir isn't taking wickets, especially top order ones in either tests or ODIs.

    Abbas is consistent at bowling well and hitting the right length for long periods of time. A lot of our players are too inconsistent and can't keep it up as the innings progress.

    It really didn't hurt trying him out. Yeah it's nice to see actual fast bowlers, but these type of bowlers have done well in the past even in ODIs. His list A record isn't terrible either, it's 27 something. We've tried out guys with worse records in the past like Rahat Ali in ODIs. Not that it matters that much, I think international success in any format is probably a better indicator than domestic.

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    He is the only bowler who can move the new ball , should be in our ODI setup atleast if not T20s.

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    I think in favourable conditions he could do damage. The problem is other than the new ball , he wouldn't be of any use. He isn't a great fielder and is a pure tailender. So we would be picking for someone for there new ball skills. Let's be honest how many ODI pitches are favourable for seam movement ?

    If he plays I would only bowl him in the first 20 overs. I don't see him being selected in any case.

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    Time to again seriously reconsider him for ODIs. Seems like he makes it work whatever the conditions, and nearly always gets good length.

    Philander turned out with a decent average in ODIs despite fears he wouldn't be good in them either (and he had a much poorer list A bowling average than Abbas), so I don't see the harm of giving Abbas a go.

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    I think his style of bowling will only work for first 3/4 overs but nothing to say he cant develop a good yorker or bouncer for death overs. But I would leave him to concentrate on test match cricket for Pakistan. Plus he cant bat or field which doesn't work in ODI's.

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    ODI is played with white Kookaburra, therefore it's not so conclusive for him in ODI. But, if he can control the white ball on spot at 127-134KM, definitely can be an option. He can give a long opening spell of 7-8 overs & take couple of early wickets.

    In every aspect, that series against ZIM reserves was a disaster - instead of obvious names, PAK could have played Abbas, Afridi & couple of new faces in spin & batting department to test the bench; a WK as well.

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    I don't know what kind of variations he has but by bowling at 130 kph he is not going to trouble batsmen on the kind of pitches ODIs are played nowadays.

    When you're bowling 128-133 kph, your yorkers and bouncers become ineffective too. And he's not going to reverse the white ball. So idk how he will pick up wickets in ODIs.

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    More importantly, should Bilal Asif be playing ODIs?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    More importantly, should Bilal Asif be playing ODIs?
    Was gonna say and am sure someone will make a thread of that too. But it's a little early for Bilal, Abbas has played quite a few international games now, and looking at him in tests and comparing to our current pacers in ODI who have not looked stellar of late, I'm not all together convinced Abbas would do worse.

    I could see Bilal fitting in at 8, Shadab at 7. Two spinners worked for India in England, and I'd like if we did the same. It does arguably make our batting a bit weak though, and Shadab would have to up his batting. But at least you'd have two proper bowlers in them who would be expected to bowl 10 overs and allowed spin bowlers to have a partner. Faheem as 4th pacer, not relied on for 10 overs, weakening the batting line up was less ideal.

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    Take him to the world cup just incase conditions don't turn out to be as flat as expected. Got a scorching summer this year but next year could very easily be damp and a bowler like Abbas would be ideal.

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    Its a fsir point.. in ODIs typicslly the required skill level is lower than test crickrt and if people like amir, hasan, etc leaked runs by bucket loads in the asia cup on the same wickets and abbas has taken wickets, by bowling stump to stump, which is more of an ODI trait, i really dont see him doing any worse than amir, hasan, etc.


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    I have a feeling he abbas could be our secret weapon in the world cup in england. He has played there, he has the experience and his style of bowling is tailor made for english pitches. At least with the new ball he could be a perfect fit..


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    Ok I think since our new ball bowling has been so poor in ODIs off late so Abbass is worth a go i guess. He can potentially bowl 8-9 overs up front with the new ball..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    Has been doing well in tests ever since he started. Do you think he can replicate it in ODIs?

    We're missing a bowler who can bowl well with the new ball to partner Amir. Most of our pacers prefer the older ball, Hasan, Junaid, Raees etc. The only pacer who perhaps can bowl with the new ball decently (except Amir) is Shinwari.

    I'm quite liking this partnership by Amir and Abbas. Doesn't let up the pressure. I think it's worth a try in ODIs too, given none of our third pacers have been able to hold down a spot of late.
    Test cricket is way different than ODI, in ODI he will get smashed because of lack of pace. He's good for tests. Lets keep it limited to that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RehanG View Post
    Test cricket is way different than ODI, in ODI he will get smashed because of lack of pace. He's good for tests. Lets keep it limited to that.
    No harm in giving him at least one or two ODIs to see how he handles it..?

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    He's just come off a whole summer in English conditions so he really needs an chance in ODI's now with next year in mind. Post Asia cup we're in a situation where literally not a single one of our famed pace battery are dead certain to be in the squad for the WC. Even Hasan Ali seems droppable now. Abbas could make the most of this opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    He's just come off a whole summer in English conditions so he really needs an chance in ODI's now with next year in mind. Post Asia cup we're in a situation where literally not a single one of our famed pace battery are dead certain to be in the squad for the WC. Even Hasan Ali seems droppable now. Abbas could make the most of this opportunity.
    The most important lesson that Abbas teaches us is that we should heed domestic performance. Abbas has been the standout pacer in domestic FC cricket for a couple of years now. It accordingly seems wrong headed to then push for his selection in LOI cricket, in which he has not excelled in domestics, compared to many others. What is even stranger, amidst a feeling that slots are now open post Asia Cup debacle, is to continue ignore Sadaf Hussain, who was the dominant domestic pacer before and alongside Abbas. And who does have a great domestic LOI record.

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    Why doesn't Pakistan give a chance to Mohd Abbass in ODI's?

    The guy is literally our best new ball bowler so far. He is very accurate and he has proven so far in his career that he can take the pitch out of the equation.

    Do we seriously need to waste more time on the over rated Zulfiqar Babar type ineffective bowling of Amir.

    Given that the WC is going to be played in England in 2019, Pakistan honestly needs to give a chance to Mohd Abbass in the limited overs format going forward.

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    There is already a thread on this.

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    It’s actually a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    There is already a thread on this.
    Merged.

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    With the sort of pitches we see in ODIs these days Abbas will be a liability. He can get you a wicket in the first 6-7 overs yes but once the movement goes away Batsmen will look to target him. He can be in the squad, if the conditions are conducive to swing bowling he can be given 10 bowlers on the trot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahdi View Post
    With the sort of pitches we see in ODIs these days Abbas will be a liability. He can get you a wicket in the first 6-7 overs yes but once the movement goes away Batsmen will look to target him. He can be in the squad, if the conditions are conducive to swing bowling he can be given 10 bowlers on the trot.
    You forgot his reverse swing, which has been his main weapon in ongoing test. He has got decent Yorkers as well.

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    Shaheen Shah Afridi, Junaid Khan and Mohd Amir can form a fairly deadly Odi Attack. Using Mohd Amir as the 3rd bowler can do the trick. Even if Amir is not taking wickets he does not give away runs. Which means he is hard to go after. Lately Pakistan's regular 3rd pacer Hassan Ali has been struggling to get wicket. So we need someone who can replace Hassan Ali till he finds form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    You forgot his reverse swing, which has been his main weapon in ongoing test. He has got decent Yorkers as well.
    You're not gonna get much reverse with a 25 overs white ball. And I don't think a yorker bowled at 128-132 kph is gonna trouble too many batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    You forgot his reverse swing, which has been his main weapon in ongoing test. He has got decent Yorkers as well.
    With the 2 new balls reverse swing rarely comes into play these days. Even then the ones who can exploit it properly need a bit of pace because the ball isn't old enough. With his speed of 130 kph he just has to miss his length a little and he will disappear, unless its a really slow pitch in which case his lack of pace may make him harder to hit.

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    Why is pace so overhyped especially here in pakistan. What are the bowlers with pace doing currently?

    The main first 2 things a bowler should be selected for are.

    1. His control over the ball.
    2. How smart is he as a bowler

    If a bowler got these 2 things then pace should not be in the picture. There have been many great medium pace bowlers in the past. The bowler has to be smart, a thinking bowler and should have great control over his bowling.

    I see that in abbas. We can atleast give him a chance. U cant just overlook him, bcz he is not express pace.

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    Well he played for Leicestershire in the T20 Blast and didn't do anything special. Ended up getting dropped. So maybe red ball cricket is what he should stick to. Also, he is not a very good batsman and in ODI's, even the bowlers need to be good batsmen.

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    We don't need him in ODIs with Shaheen, Hassan and Junaid

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    Abbas should be given a chance in ODIs:

    - 2 new balls. He can bowl his 6-7 overs in his first spell. You don’t need that many variations. He does have the good old off-cutter as a variation.
    - his accuracy and movement are better than shaheen shah, amir, Junaid or hasan ali.
    - with his pace Sarfraz can stand upto the stumps to him. Stops batsmen from standing outside or charging.

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    will be good in odi with the new ball if hr can swing it,

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    Not sure if its a good idea. But can be tried. Whats his LA record like?

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    Leave him just playing tests and county cricket, doesnt need to be burdened with ODIs.

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    He will be good in England, He should be tried atleast for few ODIs obviously can only afford one such players who cant bat or field. Will probably have to bowl most of his over with the new bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Leave him just playing tests and county cricket, doesnt need to be burdened with ODIs.
    Yes and PCB should compensate him properly.

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    we play around 8 9 tests per year , he can be tried in odis. He is a wicket taking bowler.


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    It will be foolish not to try him in ODis giving our current lack of new ball bowlers.

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    No please, he is not cut for ODI cricket.

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    I am up for playing him in ODI cricket especially with his accuracy. I feel he needs to be kept away from t20 format as much as possible which is a killer for any bowlers confidence

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    People should see how he did in the T20 Blast for Leicestershire before suggesting this.

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    Trying Abbas for NZ ODIs

    Why doesn't PCB give Abbas a shot while dropping one of our underperforming bowlers. You never know that he might turn out to be a lucky charm for us.

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    Junaid looked off colour today. I think Abbass has a strong case to be tried in the next ODI series

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    The way Junaid bowled today, I will not be surprised if Abbas play for Pakistan in next series.

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    Should be tried, may be he will solve our problem and turn out to be a good limited over bowler.

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    He's accurate and moves the ball, these are assets in any format.

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    Would not do worst than Junaid,far sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    He's accurate and moves the ball, these are assets in any format.
    True but in modern day odi game, needs to have a good slower ball, knuckle ball and some other tactics to disturb the batsman's momentum etc. But will take him for tours to England South Africa Australia New Zealand as a new ball bowler

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    Bring in Abbas for Junaid for the last ODI as he will be there anyway for the Test series.

    Pak would have a good new ball attack then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    True but in modern day odi game, needs to have a good slower ball, knuckle ball and some other tactics to disturb the batsman's momentum etc. But will take him for tours to England South Africa Australia New Zealand as a new ball bowler
    but who knows he might adapt well and come up with the variations you are talking about.
    plus with two new balls at both ends he can easily bowl a 6-7 over opening spell which can be useful even in asian conditions as was demonstrated in test matches against Aus.
    junaid really doesnt offer much with the new ball

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    Given English ODI pitches are phatta's these days, aren't his medium pace deliveries just going to end up being pies? Happy to be told otherwise.


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