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    "Winning in the West Indies will be something I will always remember" : Misbah-ul-Haq

    Former Test captain Misbah-ul-Haq arrived at the Allama Iqbal International Airport on Wednesday morning to rapturous fans waiting for him at the airport.

    The cricketing great is returning after Pakistan's historic defeat of the West Indies in the Caribbean.

    Showered by rose petals and welcomed with cheers, Misbah, accompanied by his wife, was greeted by family members, PCB officials and fans as he walked out of the arrival lounge.

    "It's an honour for me," Misbah expressed his gratitude to the cheering crowd.

    "I am happy with my performance. Winning in the West Indies will be something I will always remember," the former test captain said as he spoke to journalists at the airport.

    "The credit for this accomplishment goes to the Pakistan Cricket Board, the players' families, and the whole team," he added.

    Pondering over his recent milestone, Misbah said, "We have accomplished a feat many teams across the world only dream of."

    "These sort of victories will help bring fresh talent into the spotlight. It is crucial that we keep succeeding like this," the recently retired cricketer noted.

    "I'm grateful to the nation for all their prayers and support."

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1333698/mi...-only-dream-of


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    Heroes welcome is amazing!


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    "We have accomplished a feat many teams across the world only dream of."
    Wait, what?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Wait, what?
    maybe winning with just 6 balls to go?
    YK's 10,000 runs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Wait, what?
    I guess he is talking about the way the test was won. That indeed is something teams can only dream about.

    Happens very very rarely.

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    "I'm grateful to the nation for all their prayers and support."

    You also got all the prayers and support from the muslim population of South Africa. Most muslims in South Africa especially the older generation still support Pakistan and Pakistan is the younger ones second favourite team after South Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Wait, what?
    Winning test match and series with 1 delivery

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahirFan View Post
    "I'm grateful to the nation for all their prayers and support."

    You also got all the prayers and support from the muslim population of South Africa. Most muslims in South Africa especially the older generation still support Pakistan and Pakistan is the younger ones second favourite team after South Africa
    bro do you have any link to pakistan

    like parents or grandparents who were born there or lived there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    bro do you have any link to pakistan

    like parents or grandparents who were born there or lived there?
    Most Muslims in South Africa either arrived in South Africa from Konkan opr Gujarat.

    Muslims from Konkan migrated to Pakistan after the partition. So yes , we have strong links to Pakistan and most of us have families in Pakistan

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    Pics via PCB.













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    What other teams have defeated the West Indies on their own territory?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    What other teams have defeated the West Indies on their own territory?

    Probably all of the test playing nations maybe except Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.. Don't take my word for it though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Probably all of the test playing nations maybe except Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.. Don't take my word for it though..
    No I don't think so. Can't ever remember India, New Zealand, RSA or England winning in the Caribbean. Someone correct me if I am wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    No I don't think so. Can't ever remember India, New Zealand, RSA or England winning in the Caribbean. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
    India won 2-0 last year

    New Zealand won 2-1 in 2014

    Bangladesh won 2-0 in 2009

    England won 3-0 in 2003

    S Africa also won there 2-0 in 2010

    So Pakistan is the last of the test nations to win there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by On_the_up View Post
    India won 2-0 last year

    New Zealand won 2-1 in 2014

    Bangladesh won 2-0 in 2009

    England won 3-0 in 2003

    S Africa also won there 2-0 in 2010

    So Pakistan is the last of the test nations to win there.
    Oh my days! I didn't know we were so terrible.


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    Some journalists will criticize Misbah for wearing a V-neck shirt.


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    I still don't understand how this is an achievement that other teams can only dream of having, when WI has been losing alot at home recently

    Maybe he means the 'other Pakistani teams' ?

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    He should cherish the 2 series against England more than his last one.

    We were mediocre throughout the series, some individual brilliance got us across the line in two of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    I still don't understand how this is an achievement that other teams can only dream of having, when WI has been losing alot at home recently

    Maybe he means the 'other Pakistani teams' ?
    He meant destorying the record in style.

    He managed to not only get a result after a game that looked to go for a draw, but picked the win on the last ball of the game(hypothetically) because chase would had played the next over.

    Everyonr thought gabriel would easily play the last ball as he had played 20 balls


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    Pakistan have sent stronger teams to W.I and failed to win series there (Yes we have been cheated out of a couple of series by shameful umpires like doctrove) and this W.I team is very weak but still its a good effort for pakistan to win the series.

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    It was the 2nd biggest cricketing achievement in Pakistan's history after we beat Zimbabwe at Lahore last year.

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    The only good thing was that this was our first series win in West Indies so the history has been created. In that sense he will never forget that.

    But if you just look at the quality of cricket being played and the standard of this Windies team then there isn't much to be glad over. Pakistan would have won without his captaincy but not without his batting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    No I don't think so. Can't ever remember India, New Zealand, RSA or England winning in the Caribbean. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
    All the teams listed by you have not only won series in WI, they have won multiple times.

    India - 4 series wins
    SA - 3 series wins
    Eng - 3 series wins
    NZ - 2 series wins


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    All the teams listed by you have not only won series in WI, they have won multiple times.

    India - 4 series wins
    SA - 3 series wins
    Eng - 3 series wins
    NZ - 2 series wins
    Thanks for that. As a Pak fan you definitely know how to make me feel good Here I was thinking we are the only ones to have defeated in West Indies on their own patch since the last 100 years!!!


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    Yeah it was a tough fight between two minnow sides. Well done Misbah.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yeah it was a tough fight between two minnow sides. Well done Misbah.


    2011: West Indies 1-1 Pakistan under Waqar/Misbah.

    2017: West Indies 1-2 Pakistan under Arthur/Misbah. Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    2011: West Indies 1-1 Pakistan under Waqar/Misbah.

    2017: West Indies 1-2 Pakistan under Arthur/Misbah. Deal with it.

    Aww here comes the crybaby

    Stop trying to make yourself feel better. Arthur's record of having the worst losing streak in Pakistan cricket history isn't going away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Aww here comes the crybaby

    Stop trying to make yourself feel better. Arthur's record of having the worst losing streak in Pakistan cricket history isn't going away

    Just like Waqar being the 1st Pakistan coach to lose to Bangladesh. Also interesting how you hammer home that under Arthur we couldn't whitewash West Indies in the UAE series, but forget how the Pep Guirdola of cricket couldn't even whitewash the mighty Zimbabwe in 2015 in the odi series LOL.

    @Markhor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Just like Waqar being the 1st Pakistan coach to lose to Bangladesh. Also interesting how you hammer home that under Arthur we couldn't whitewash West Indies in the UAE series, but forget how the Pep Guirdola of cricket couldn't even whitewash the mighty Zimbabwe in 2015 in the odi series LOL.

    @Markhor


    There was a bomb attack in that match we lost

    Also who cares what Waqar did. Let's say he was not good at all.

    Why do Arthur ***** always have to deflect Arthur's own pathetic record by talking about others. Nobody even brought Waqar up here. That's a tell tale sign that there isn't any solid argument from your end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    There was a bomb attack in that match we lost

    Also who cares what Waqar did. Let's say he was not good at all.

    Why do Arthur ***** always have to deflect Arthur's own pathetic record by talking about others. Nobody even brought Waqar up here. That's a tell tale sign that there isn't any solid argument from your end
    There was no bomb attack in Harare in Oct 2015 where we shelled an ODI to Zimbabwe. A match where we were 76-6 ! Waqar had a blistering top 4 of Azhar Ali, Bilal Asif, Mohammad Hafeez and Asad Shafiq

    Hopefully we won't be losing any ODIs to Zimbabwe under Arthur or receive a Banglawash.

    As for why mention Waqar - its not unusual to compare to one's predecessor to gauge your success. I compare Klopp to where Rodgers was after X amount of games, did so with Benitez to Houllier; Man Utd fans compare Mourinho to Van Gaal, and Van Gaal to Moyes.

    The record is perfectly defendable without bringing up Waqar - first coach in Pak history to win a Test series in Caribbean in 59 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    There was no bomb attack in Harare in Oct 2015 where we shelled an ODI to Zimbabwe. A match where we were 76-6 ! Waqar had a blistering top 4 of Azhar Ali, Bilal Asif, Mohammad Hafeez and Asad Shafiq

    Hopefully we won't be losing any ODIs to Zimbabwe under Arthur or receive a Banglawash.

    As for why mention Waqar - its not unusual to compare to one's predecessor to gauge your success. I compare Klopp to where Rodgers was after X amount of games, did so with Benitez to Houllier; Man Utd fans compare Mourinho to Van Gaal, and Van Gaal to Moyes.

    The record is perfectly defendable without bringing up Waqar - first coach in Pak history to win a Test series in Caribbean in 59 years.
    I thought he was on abt the home series. Is this the Shoaib malik one where we were robbed by the umpire?

    Only coach to concede 400+ runs in an ODI twice

    Coach who has held the record for conceding the most runs in ODI history

    Coach with the worst losing streak in Pakistan cricket history

    We all know the worth of this WI side. All the hype is about YK and Misbah. Not the series win of 2-1 against this trash side. The quality of the side is apparent from the fact that we lost points despite winning the series
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    I thought he was on abt the home series. Is this the Shoaib malik one where we were robbed by the umpire?

    Only coach to concede 400+ runs in an ODI twice

    Coach who has held the record for conceding the most runs in ODI history

    Coach with the worst losing streak in Pakistan cricket history

    We all know the worth of this WI side. All the hype is about YK and Misbah. Not the series win of 2-1 against this trash side. The quality of the side is apparent from the fact that we lost points despite winning the series
    Hang on, if the credit for England Test series draw goes to Waqar for laying the groundwork; why doesn't he receive the criticism for the England ODI series (inc. the 444 match) hammering ?

    After all, it was Waqar's ODI side that Arthur inherited. Or does Waqar take all the praise for the successes and Arthur cops for the losses ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post

    After all, it was Waqar's ODI side that Arthur inherited. Or does Waqar take all the praise for the successes and Arthur cops for the losses ?
    No that's what Arthur ***** would do

    Waqar does deserve criticism which he gets for not improving our ODI side at all and leaving it in a bad shape. So ofcourse he deserves blame for the series loss.

    However The general performance of a team in the few months after a new coach is heavily influenced by the previous administration but specific records/moments come down the current team management and tbeir specific strategies. And I've praised Arthur then when he took those calls (Sami for Hafeez. Work with Sharjeel)

    Finally and most importantly there is the little inconvenience of a fact that in tests more or less the same strategy as Waqars was employed whereas in ODIs wholesale changes were made to team combination, strategy and the way we play. It came out of Mickey Arthur's own blabber mouth after the test series draw that Waqar had done a good job with T the test team and we worked with that but in ODIs we need to overhaul the whole team and we'll go our own way from the get go. The video is there on real PCB YouTube page. So naturally the then team management will have to take a greater share. Similarly in UAE wi test series changes were made to team combination and strategy and from then on the successes and disappointments of that series were Arthur's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    There was a bomb attack in that match we lost

    Also who cares what Waqar did. Let's say he was not good at all.

    Why do Arthur ***** always have to deflect Arthur's own pathetic record by talking about others. Nobody even brought Waqar up here. That's a tell tale sign that there isn't any solid argument from your end
    I'm on about the 2015 October series in Zimbabwe.

    To make Waqar look good you bring up Arthur's mistakes or losses.

    So what solid argument do you have that Waqar is the cricketing Pep Guirdola?

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    I don't mind Waqar but the moment someone uses the word "****" unironically then they lose the argument by default.

    Better luck next time Slog.

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    @Slog

    I'm not saying Arthur is the best coach in history. And I did feel sorry for Waqar at times but if your asking me who would I rather have as coach it would be Arthur every time.

    Everyone knows Waqar was a failure as a coach and captain , at least Arthur has some credibility by doing well with South Africa.

    Waqar is an ATG bowler but failure as coach and captain. He may have some decent results but let's be honest that was more to do with the team then Waqars coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    @Slog

    I'm not saying Arthur is the best coach in history. And I did feel sorry for Waqar at times but if your asking me who would I rather have as coach it would be Arthur every time.

    Everyone knows Waqar was a failure as a coach and captain , at least Arthur has some credibility by doing well with South Africa.

    Waqar is an ATG bowler but failure as coach and captain. He may have some decent results but let's be honest that was more to do with the team then Waqars coaching.
    Waqar has ensured our unbeaten run in the UAE when it came to Tests and largely influenced our performance in England. I like Mickey and think he will do okay with time but too many people overly criticise Waqar's stint as coach to big up Mickey.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Waqar has ensured our unbeaten run in the UAE when it came to Tests and largely influenced our performance in England. I like Mickey and think he will do okay with time but too many people overly criticise Waqar's stint as coach to big up Mickey.

    Did a decent job in tests . Whilst our failures in LO recently aren't entirely Waqars fault, he should take some blame for strategy and failure to improve hardly any players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Pondering over his recent milestone, Misbah said, "We have accomplished a feat many teams across the world only dream of."


    Oh dearie me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Did a decent job in tests . Whilst our failures in LO recently aren't entirely Waqars fault, he should take some blame for strategy and failure to improve hardly any players.
    Yeah we didn't do so well in ODI's but he made some great contributions to the Test team. The problem is that posters have become anti-Waqar to suck up to @Mamoon in order to get back at @Slog so you have two factions always fighting rather then be objective so will overly criticise Waqar or Mickey when one did decent and the other has just begun his stint so we should be patient with a bit but his record suggests that we're in good hands, either way it's not an easy job to coach Pakistan cricket team; it's the toughest job across all sports for a manager/coach.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Getting tired of this Waqar vs Arthur nonsense in every thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    @Slog

    I'm not saying Arthur is the best coach in history. And I did feel sorry for Waqar at times but if your asking me who would I rather have as coach it would be Arthur every time.

    Everyone knows Waqar was a failure as a coach and captain , at least Arthur has some credibility by doing well with South Africa.

    Waqar is an ATG bowler but failure as coach and captain. He may have some decent results but let's be honest that was more to do with the team then Waqars coaching.
    Mickey Arthur failed with Australia

    Waqar took us to #1 in Tests and a World Cup Semi Final - (if it werent for 4 dropped catches we might have even won)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Getting tired of this Waqar vs Arthur nonsense in every thread.
    Yes. You should tell Arthur's fan club that

    Whenever there is criticism of Mickey Arthur or Pakistan cricket, the default response is to bring up Waqar.

    He's been almost 60% of the time Waqar was in charge. People should stop making excuses for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Yes. You should tell Arthur's fan club that

    Whenever there is criticism of Mickey Arthur or Pakistan cricket, the default response is to bring up Waqar.

    He's been almost 60% of the time Waqar was in charge. People should stop making excuses for him
    With a touring schedule in the space of a year FAR more difficult than anything Waqar or ANY other Pakistan coach in recent history had to face.

    Arthur hasn't been able to HTB to his hearts content like Waqar. In ODIs he lost THREE of his most explosive batsmen in Sharjeel, Latif and Shahzaib.

    Anyone without bias will recognise these mitigating factors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Mickey Arthur failed with Australia

    Waqar took us to #1 in Tests and a World Cup Semi Final - (if it werent for 4 dropped catches we might have even won)
    With a spin attack of Ajmal-Afridi-Hafeez in Asian conditions, even Mohsin the chaimaster cheerleader would've took us to the SFs.

    As for Arthur being a conman - yes somehow he must've conned his way into becoming the most successful coach in South African history. He must have conned his way to being the SA coach who won a Test series in England for the first time in 40 years, or in Australia for the first time ever, leading that SA side to #1 in the world. And that's despite racial quotas, politics etc.

    He must have conned his way into being the first non-Australian coach of Australia where despite an unsuccessful tenure, he groomed world class talents like Warner and Starc.

    Meanwhile Waqar, who has ZERO coaching qualifications or experience of coaching a domestic or PSL side let alone an international team - cons his way into becoming Pakistan coach not once but TWICE !

    Yet he is the best thing since sliced bread. One Misbah salute to you brother Slog
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    Tbh I don't really see the reason why Arthur has a strong fan base.

    Some sensible posters need to realize he hasn't made any change in any of our teams so far.

    If anything, we've seen a slight decline in our strongest format - Tests. @Markhor @Hasan123 . Though I'm willing to give him some chance to redeem himself.

    CT is here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Mickey Arthur failed with Australia

    Waqar took us to #1 in Tests and a World Cup Semi Final - (if it werent for 4 dropped catches we might have even won)

    Succeeded with South Africa which you convintenitley don't bring up .

    The world cup run had nothing to do with Waqar tactics or coaching. Afridi bowling and captaincy played more of a part.

    Yes in tests he and Misbah deserve credit for providing us with stability and finding a successful way of winning.

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    Misbah vs Afridi khatam hua, Arthur vs Vicky shuru


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Arthur hasn't been able to HTB to his hearts content like Waqar. In ODIs he lost THREE of his most explosive batsmen in Sharjeel, Latif and Shahzaib.

    Anyone without bias will recognise these mitigating factors.
    Lol

    These few lines just show your immense bias.

    In any case only Sharjeel made himself an important cog in the side. The other two were not even regulars bu that point but you are making it sound like we lost Babar or someone.

    But there is something else I want to add. You are talking about mitigating factors to put down Waqar. Amazing! Do you not see the irony that you are making this excuse for Arthur but have not wanted to afford Waqar the same luxury?

    Some mitigating factors which Waqar had to face:

    - Losing your captain, and the best 2 bowlers 6 months before WC 2011
    - Having your replacement wicket keeper lose his marbles and run away in the middle of a tour
    - Losing Saeed Ajmal before a major Test series. And then losing him and Hafeez before WC 2015. Totally destroying team balance
    - Losing Yasir Shah to doping before a tournament (less impact)
    - Being always forced to always keep 2 non-performing players who harm team environment eventhough you have made it clear that you do not want them and that they destroy the team environment
    - Always having your suggestions to the Chairman being leaked to the media, destorying your relationship with the team

    These are just top of my head

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    There was no bomb attack in Harare in Oct 2015 where we shelled an ODI to Zimbabwe. A match where we were 76-6 ! Waqar had a blistering top 4 of Azhar Ali, Bilal Asif, Mohammad Hafeez and Asad Shafiq

    Hopefully we won't be losing any ODIs to Zimbabwe under Arthur or receive a Banglawash.

    As for why mention Waqar - its not unusual to compare to one's predecessor to gauge your success. I compare Klopp to where Rodgers was after X amount of games, did so with Benitez to Houllier; Man Utd fans compare Mourinho to Van Gaal, and Van Gaal to Moyes.

    The record is perfectly defendable without bringing up Waqar - first coach in Pak history to win a Test series in Caribbean in 59 years.
    Mickey Arthur's top four in the last ODI that Pakistan played:

    1. Ahmed Shehzad
    2. Kamraan Akmal
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Muhammad Hafeez


    Likely top four in the CT under same Mickey Arthur


    1. Ahmed Shehzad
    2. Azhar Ali
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Muhammad Hafeez



    So I see nothing much has changed from Pep Guardiola while we are paying ALOT more for Jose Mourinho, the "special" one lmao



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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Mickey Arthur's top four in the last ODI that Pakistan played:

    1. Ahmed Shehzad
    2. Kamraan Akmal
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Muhammad Hafeez


    Likely top four in the CT under same Mickey Arthur


    1. Ahmed Shehzad
    2. Azhar Ali
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Muhammad Hafeez



    So I see nothing much has changed from Pep Guardiola while we are paying ALOT more for Jose Mourinho, the "special" one lmao

    Before spot-fixing scandal it was Sharjeel, Latif/Azhar, Babar and Malik.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Lol

    These few lines just show your immense bias.

    In any case only Sharjeel made himself an important cog in the side. The other two were not even regulars bu that point but you are making it sound like we lost Babar or someone.

    But there is something else I want to add. You are talking about mitigating factors to put down Waqar. Amazing! Do you not see the irony that you are making this excuse for Arthur but have not wanted to afford Waqar the same luxury?

    Some mitigating factors which Waqar had to face:

    - Losing your captain, and the best 2 bowlers 6 months before WC 2011
    - Having your replacement wicket keeper lose his marbles and run away in the middle of a tour
    - Losing Saeed Ajmal before a major Test series. And then losing him and Hafeez before WC 2015. Totally destroying team balance
    - Losing Yasir Shah to doping before a tournament (less impact)
    - Being always forced to always keep 2 non-performing players who harm team environment eventhough you have made it clear that you do not want them and that they destroy the team environment
    - Always having your suggestions to the Chairman being leaked to the media, destorying your relationship with the team

    These are just top of my head
    I see you conveniently dodged the second part of my post. When Waqar was coach I accepted these mitigating factors also.

    However these poor working conditions and the unprofessionalism of the PCB will have been apparent to him after his 2010-11 stint. Nobody forced him at gunpoint to accept these poor working conditions for a SECOND TIME when he was reappointed in 2014 !

    As for losing Ajmal in 2014 - he was losing effectiveness anyway. His ban turned out to be a blessing in disguise in Tests as we were able to introduce Yasir.

    However it shows Waqar's total lack of foresight and tactical ineptitude if Ajmal and Hafeez were central to his plans in a WC in Australia and NZ - a graveyard for off-spin !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Before spot-fixing scandal it was Sharjeel, Latif/Azhar, Babar and Malik.


    I see you conveniently dodged the second part of my post. When Waqar was coach I accepted these mitigating factors also.

    However these poor working conditions and the unprofessionalism of the PCB will have been apparent to him after his 2010-11 stint. Nobody forced him at gunpoint to accept these poor working conditions for a SECOND TIME when he was reappointed in 2014 !

    As for losing Ajmal in 2014 - he was losing effectiveness anyway. His ban turned out to be a blessing in disguise in Tests as we were able to introduce Yasir.

    However it shows Waqar's total lack of foresight and tactical ineptitude if Ajmal and Hafeez were central to his plans in a WC in Australia and NZ - a graveyard for off-spin !
    There's no dodging

    I've addressed those points enough times earlier.

    Losing Hafeez was a huge blow. We had a huge problem with the fifth bowler and Hafeez was doing that job properly and was economics even when conditions weren't conducive. Looks like you didn't really know what was going on.

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    And the thing is that Waqar knew that there are the mitigating circumstances. And I don't even count them as excuses. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy when you count them for Arthur. Arthur should've known his homework. These instances are part and parcel of benign Pakistan coach and if this comes as a shock then he didn't do his homework. No sympathy there. And no one forced him to take this job after his sackings

    He has it good Atleast. The board and committee gives him the team he wants and there isn't a group of players actively looking to force him out

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    @Markhor

    It goes without saying that I mostly agree with you on this whole painstaking Waqar vs Mickey debate, but you are inventing facts by bringing Latif and Shahzaib to the table in ODIs. Latif has not played an ODI since 2010 and he was unlikely to get a recall any time soon. Even in T20Is, in spite of performing admirably, it felt like he was a stop-gap solution because Shehzad was always going to return in all formats soon. Similarly, Shahzaib hasn't been in the picture since 2010 as well and wasn't close to selection either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    @Markhor

    It goes without saying that I mostly agree with you on this whole painstaking Waqar vs Mickey debate, but you are inventing facts by bringing Latif and Shahzaib to the table in ODIs. Latif has not played an ODI since 2010 and he was unlikely to get a recall any time soon. Even in T20Is, in spite of performing admirably, it felt like he was a stop-gap solution because Shehzad was always going to return in all formats soon. Similarly, Shahzaib hasn't been in the picture since 2010 as well and wasn't close to selection either.
    I'm not saying they were in the ODI squad itself - but Latif and Shahzaib were explosive, attacking options I could easily see us using in the format had it not been for their bans. Latif was in excellent form in T20s since his return, his game being ideal for ODIs, and Shahzaib had impressed in the Regional One Day tournament in January. Losing them in addition to Sharjeel was a big blow.

    Now we don't have a single attacking top-order batsmen to call upon and are left with Azhar, Shehzad and Hafeez to "blunt the new ball" in English conditions where most likely 300+ scores will be the norm.

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    This whole Waqar vs Arthur stuff is pointless. Waqar is no longer coach and whether the guy is a player, captain or coach, he has always had issues with his fellow players. Even as captain and coach, when did he himself take any personal responsibility for the team's failures?

    In the 2003 WC debacle report he threw the likes of Wasim, Inzamam, Akhtar, Razzaq, Afridi and co under the bus in various interviews and to the PCB inquiry committee. In his 2010-11 and 2014-16 stints he repeatedly tried to scapegoat Afridi, Shehzad, Akmal and co.

    What about admitting his own failures and faults?

    The guy is unfit for a head coach position.

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    Waqar was a good bowling coach but poor head coach.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    This whole Waqar vs Arthur stuff is pointless. Waqar is no longer coach and whether the guy is a player, captain or coach, he has always had issues with his fellow players. Even as captain and coach, when did he himself take any personal responsibility for the team's failures?

    In the 2003 WC debacle report he threw the likes of Wasim, Inzamam, Akhtar, Razzaq, Afridi and co under the bus in various interviews and to the PCB inquiry committee. In his 2010-11 and 2014-16 stints he repeatedly tried to scapegoat Afridi, Shehzad, Akmal and co.

    What about admitting his own failures and faults?

    The guy is unfit for a head coach position.
    'Course you'll say that mate

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