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    Pakistan drops down to number six in ICC Test Rankings following annual update

    South Africa reduces gaps with India to six points, while nine points now separate third-ranked Australia from seventh-ranked Sri Lanka

    India has retained its number-one ranking on the*MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings*following the annual update in which series results from 2013-14 are no longer included and outcomes from the 2015-16 series are weighted at 50 per cent.

    While India leads South Africa by six points following the annual update, only nine points separate third-ranked Australia from seventh-ranked Sri Lanka, with ninth-ranked Bangladesh trailing eighth-ranked West Indies by six points.

    India has moved to 123 points after gaining one point, however, second-ranked South Africa now has the table-toppers firmly within its sights after vaulting from 109 points to 117 points. This jump means the pre-update gap of 13 points has now been trimmed to just six points.

    While India and South Africa have made upward movements, Australia, England and Pakistan have headed in the opposite direction.

    Australia has retained its third place but has plummeted from 108 points to 100 points, England has stayed in fourth position but has slipped to 99 points after conceding two points, whereas Pakistan has dropped behind New Zealand in sixth place after conceding four points to sit on 93 points.

    The swings for Faf du Plessis’s and Steve Smith’s sides have come after South Africa’s 2-1 loss to Australia, and Australia’s 5-0 series win over England in 2013-14 have both been dropped for calculation purposes.

    Sri Lanka is seventh on 91 points (up by one), West Indies eighth on 75 points (up by five), Bangladesh ninth on 69 points (up by three) and Zimbabwe 10th*with zero points (down by five).


    MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings (as on 18 May, following the annual update):

    Rank Team Points

    1. India 123 (+1)

    2. South Africa 117 (+8)

    3. Australia 100 (-8)

    4. England 99 (-2)

    5. New Zealand 97 (+1)

    6. Pakistan 93 (-4)

    7. Sri Lanka 91 (+1)

    8. West Indies 75 (+5)

    9. Bangladesh 69 (+3)

    10. Zimbabwe 0 (-5)
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 18th May 2017 at 15:49.


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    So we lost points despite winning the series. Makes sense considering how trash this WI team is. @Markhor [this is after annual update]

    Anyways its certain India is set for a long reign as #1

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    Lovely.. so Misbah left the ODI and T20 sides at number 8th in the ranking and test side at number 6th in the rankings, but doesn't matter atleast we beat world champions Windies in a hard fought series that went to the second last over.


    Thank you Misbah



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    We really should be above England, whose form has been very patchy lately and were diabolical in Asia last winter, and New Zealand who've lost home series to Australia and South Africa.

    Pakistan will be bitterly disappointed with not whitewashing West Indies in UAE last autumn, and being beaten 2-0 by New Zealand away though all Asian teams have struggled there in very seam-friendly conditions.

    We've managed to stop the rot of defeats with a victory away to the West Indies, hopefully we can dispatch a struggling Sri Lanka in the UAE later this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    We really should be above England, whose form has been very patchy lately and were diabolical in Asia last winter, and New Zealand who've lost home series to Australia and South Africa.

    Pakistan will be bitterly disappointed with not whitewashing West Indies in UAE last autumn, and being beaten 2-0 by New Zealand away though all Asian teams have struggled there in very seam-friendly conditions.

    We've managed to stop the rot of defeats with a victory away to the West Indies, hopefully we can dispatch a struggling Sri Lanka in the UAE later this year.
    If I had to put my finger on it I'd say it's Waqar's fault because whenever we lose its Waqar's fault and whenever we win its Mickey's doing, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Lovely.. so Misbah left the ODI and T20 sides at number 8th in the ranking and test side at number 6th in the rankings, but doesn't matter atleast we beat world champions Windies in a hard fought series that went to the second last over.


    Thank you Misbah


    It wouldn't have gone to the second last over if the stupid umpires gave Shannon Gabriel out for a CLEAR edge an hour earlier !

    Hasan Ali also dropped Roston Chase twice and Abbas overstepped on a wicket. I guess Misbah is to blame for that too ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    It wouldn't have gone to the second last over if the stupid umpires gave Shannon Gabriel out for a CLEAR edge an hour earlier !

    Hasan Ali also dropped Roston Chase twice and Abbas overstepped on a wicket. I guess Misbah is to blame for that too ?
    We weren't exactly flirting around with the top three in the rankings before this test match ether. What excuses do you have for dropping the second test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waqar goraya View Post
    **South Africa reduces gaps with India to six points, while nine points now separate third-ranked Australia from seventh-ranked Sri Lanka

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    India has retained its number-one ranking on the*MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings*following the annual update in which series results from 2013-14 are no longer included and outcomes from the 2015-16 series are weighted at 50 per cent.

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    While India leads South Africa by six points following the annual update, only nine points separate third-ranked Australia from seventh-ranked Sri Lanka, with ninth-ranked Bangladesh trailing eighth-ranked West Indies by six points.

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    India has moved to 123 points after gaining one point, however, second-ranked South Africa now has the table-toppers firmly within its sights after vaulting from 109 points to 117 points. This jump means the pre-update gap of 13 points has now been trimmed to just six points.

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    While India and South Africa have made upward movements, Australia, England and Pakistan have headed in the opposite direction.

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    Australia has retained its third place but has plummeted from 108 points to 100 points, England has stayed in fourth position but has slipped to 99 points after conceding two points, whereas Pakistan has dropped behind New Zealand in sixth place after conceding four points to sit on 93 points.

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    The swings for Faf du Plessis’s and Steve Smith’s sides have come after South Africa’s 2-1 loss to Australia, and Australia’s 5-0 series win over England in 2013-14 have both been dropped for calculation purposes.

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    Sri Lanka is seventh on 91 points (up by one), West Indies eighth on 75 points (up by five), Bangladesh ninth on 69 points (up by three) and Zimbabwe 10th*with zero points (down by five).

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    MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings (as on 18 May, following the annual update):

    Rank*** Team************** Points

    1.*****India**************** 123 (+1)

    2.*****South Africa***** 117 (+8)

    3.*****Australia********** 100 (-8)

    4.*****England*********** 99 (-2)

    5.*****New Zealand**** 97 (+1)

    6.*****Pakistan********** 93 (-4)

    7.*****Sri Lanka********* 91 (+1)

    8.*****West Indies****** 75 (+5)

    9.*****Bangladesh****** 69 (+3)

    10.**Zimbabwe******** 0 (-5)
    Time for the Blues to thrash SA and show the world who is boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    So we lost points despite winning the series. Makes sense considering how trash this WI team is. @Markhor [this is after annual update]

    Anyways its certain India is set for a long reign as #1
    It's not just that this Windies team isn't worth a lot of points but more that the series wins over Australia and England have either dropped to 50% value or no longer count in the current rankings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    It wouldn't have gone to the second last over if the stupid umpires gave Shannon Gabriel out for a CLEAR edge an hour earlier !
    On the other hand, if the "stupid umpires" had got it right and not given Dowwich out, the result may have been different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    On the other hand, if the "stupid umpires" had got it right and not given Dowwich out, the result may have been different.
    In case you missed it - Babar Azam also got a bad decision in the 2nd innings when the ball had bounced before a catch was taken so we can go on all day - the umpiring was pathetic in Dominica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    In case you missed it - Babar Azam also got a bad decision in the 2nd innings when the ball had bounced before a catch was taken so we can go on all day - the umpiring was pathetic in Dominica.
    Yeah, it cuts both ways. Seems like they couldn't afford all the expensive equipment like Snicko etc.

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    Pakistan need to arrange next 10 series in a row in the UAE and not play any away series to gain number 1 ranking.. might aswell follow the India route to test number 1 spot.

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    I think this is the first time in the history of ranking only 2 teams are above 100. Wow!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Time for the Blues to thrash SA and show the world who is boss.
    Are you talking about India beating SA in SA?? - Unless SA plays their U15 team, that aint going to happen


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    We really should be above England, whose form has been very patchy lately and were diabolical in Asia last winter, and New Zealand who've lost home series to Australia and South Africa.

    Pakistan will be bitterly disappointed with not whitewashing West Indies in UAE last autumn, and being beaten 2-0 by New Zealand away though all Asian teams have struggled there in very seam-friendly conditions.

    We've managed to stop the rot of defeats with a victory away to the West Indies, hopefully we can dispatch a struggling Sri Lanka in the UAE later this year.
    I don't understand what special England has done? - They were beaten by us in UAE, India in India, we drew against them in ENG..Why they are still at 99 points ??

    This whole system is rubbish, more value should be given to home and away, rather then purely on higher rank... Anybody who has played and watched test cricket, knows winning away is way more harder than winning at home...Ranking should reflect that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Pakistan need to arrange next 10 series in a row in the UAE and not play any away series to gain number 1 ranking.. might aswell follow the India route to test number 1 spot.
    Pakistan would still draw series in Zimbabwe, Draw with SL, NZ and SA in UAE and continue to remain at the same spot while India keeps whitewashing teams at home.

    Big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    So we lost points despite winning the series. Makes sense considering how trash this WI team is. @Markhor [this is after annual update]

    Anyways its certain India is set for a long reign as #1
    Not at all. We are touring SA later this year and they are only 6 points behind us.


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    One of the reasons why Pakistan is below both England and NZ is probably because you failed to whitewash Windies twice and actually lost two tests to them. Also when Pakistan toured NZ and OZ, they were the higher ranked team, so getting whitewashed in both series meant that pakistan lost more points and OZ/NZ gained more. Also, NZ's losses to OZ and SA were to higher ranked teams anyway And England got routed by india, once again a higher ranked team.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post

    Anyways its certain India is set for a long reign as #1
    India is likely to remain among the top 3, but not as the rank 1 in longer term. India is going to play away series and their rating points are likely to in only one direction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Pakistan need to arrange next 10 series in a row in the UAE and not play any away series to gain number 1 ranking.. might aswell follow the India route to test number 1 spot.
    That is contrary to the facts. India became #1 BEFORE playing NZ, England, Bangladesh and Australia at home, and would have retained the #1 ranking if rain hadn't washed out the 4th Test in WI.

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    Wow "Great" Misbah's legacy! He left both the one day and test teams at dismal rankings. He always cared about his own averages that he built on dead wickets of UAE. As soon as he had to play Tests outside of UAE he was exposing failing in five out of six innings in England alone.

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    Historically, Pakistan fluctuates around 100 points and their ranking goes up or down based on how others are doing with their ratings. Rarely you will see Pakistan at much higher range or much lower range in terms of rating. Closer to 90 or closer to 110 is rare for Pakistan. Pakistan will pretty soon come near 100 and as result go higher in ranking.


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    As much as we celebrated beating WI it was no way a convincing win we failed to dominate them and won with a small margin against a minnow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    India is likely to remain among the top 3, but not as the rank 1 in longer term. India is going to play away series and their rating points are likely to in only one direction.
    India is going to remain #1 for many years. Come back and check this post in a year's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    India is going to remain #1 for many years. .
    Only if India keeps playing in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    India is going to remain #1 for many years. Come back and check this post in a year's time.
    OK , let's check it. Only issue is you being here with the same username.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    India is going to remain #1 for many years. Come back and check this post in a year's time.
    When do India next tour South Africa out of interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    When do India next tour South Africa out of interest?
    Nov 2017 to Jan 2018 apparently.

    http://www.cricschedule.com/ftp/team/india.html

    Apr-May 2017 IPL 2017
    Matches: 76 T20
    Venue: India
    June 2017 World Test Championship 2017
    Matches: 3 Test
    Venue: England
    Jul-Sep 2017 India tour of Sri Lanka 2017
    Matches: 3 Test, 5 ODI and 2 T20
    Venue: Sri Lanka
    September 2017 Champions League T20 2017
    Matches: 23 T20
    Venue: N/A
    October 2017 Australia tour of India 2017
    Matches: 7 ODI and 2 T20
    Venue: India
    Nov 2017-Jan 2018 India tour of South Africa 2017-18
    Matches: 3 Test, 7 ODI and 2 T20
    Venue: South Africa
    Jan-Feb 2018 Pakistan tour of India 2018
    Matches: Unknown
    Venue: India
    Mar-Apr 2018 Sri Lanka tour of India 2018
    Matches: 3 Test, 5 ODI and 2 T20
    Venue: India
    Apr-May 2018 IPL 2018
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    Venue: India
    Jun-Aug 2018 India tour of England 2018
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    Venue: England
    September 2018 Champions League T20 2018
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    Venue: N/A
    Oct-Nov 2018 West Indies tour of India 2018
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    Nov 2018-Jan 2019 India tour of Australia 2018-19
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    Feb-Mar 2019 India tour of New Zealand 2019
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    Apr-May 2019 IPL 2019
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    May-Sep 2019 India tour of West Indies 2019
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    Jun-Jul 2019 ICC Cricket World Cup 2019
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    Sep-Oct 2019 Champions League T20 2019
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    Oct-Dec 2019 South Africa tour of India 2019
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    Jan-Feb 2020 India tour of Australia 2020
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    February 2020 New Zealand tour of India 2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    OK , let's check it. Only issue is you being here with the same username.
    Yes, it is always possible that I may retreat back to the real world. Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to @sensible-indian-fan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Only if India keeps playing in India.
    Home series are over for India with the strong teams. Next India will be touring SA, Eng, Aus and NZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Yes, it is always possible that I may retreat back to the real world. Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to @sensible-indian-fan?
    He had enough of the other Indian fans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Wow "Great" Misbah's legacy! He left both the one day and test teams at dismal rankings. He always cared about his own averages that he built on dead wickets of UAE. As soon as he had to play Tests outside of UAE he was exposing failing in five out of six innings in England alone.
    Either you are ignorant or a blatant liar.

    He had an average of 40 and scored one hundred plus two fifties on the England tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    He had enough of the other Indian fans
    Of course, I forgot that PP has an abundance of Indian fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Either you are ignorant or a blatant liar.

    He had an average of 40 and scored one hundred plus two fifties on the England tour.
    He must have meant Australia (where he had an average of 12.67 over 3 Tests in the last series) and not England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    We weren't exactly flirting around with the top three in the rankings before this test match ether. What excuses do you have for dropping the second test?
    India are no.1, do you believe that the rankings are a good reflection of a Test teams strength?


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Pakistan lost a test to Windies in the UAE and then again lost another test against them in West Indies. They are rightfully placed at numbah 6.

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    We deserve this ranking after losing two test matches to a team like West Indies

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    That's what I have been talking about, yes we beat WI, but its the weakest test team on planet and not a big deal and we , under Misbah were whitewashed against better teams recently. lets not give Misbah the credit he doesn;t deserve with talks like best captain and legend.

    Facts don't lie, he left the test team at # 6 and ODI and T20 at # 8 ranking

    Wondering what was our test ranking when he took over ?

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    So victory in the Caribbean has resulted in Pak being further demoted. Wonderful!


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    According to the rankings predictor, SA can be no.1 again if they whitewash England in England 4-0 and then whitewash BD 2-0.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    So victory in the Caribbean has resulted in Pak being further demoted. Wonderful!
    Because as per ranking Pakistan was expected to win 2-0 or better and they did not.

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    No worries, we'll be top 3 again soon enough.

    Only issue is, next year's annual update will be even worse, as (correct me if I'm wrong, but) 2016-17 results will now be weighted more, and that's where we were pretty crap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Pakistan need to arrange next 10 series in a row in the UAE and not play any away series to gain number 1 ranking.. might aswell follow the India route to test number 1 spot.
    , tbh I'd rather us play teams of high caliber home or away. Think SL at home is a perfect opportunity to get new players in (not the toughest of opponents) and from then on we'll see how other series go.

    Even when we play at challenging environments (like NZ, Aus), I'd still watch that even if we lose. It's a test for batsmen and bowlers and if we play all games at home we'll have this illusion that we're the best in the world when we're clearly not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    India is going to remain #1 for many years. Come back and check this post in a year's time.
    If you think India will beat SA in SA then I expect Pakistan football club to beat France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    So we lost points despite winning the series. Makes sense considering how trash this WI team is. @Markhor [this is after annual update]

    Anyways its certain India is set for a long reign as #1
    India vs SA series could well be the battle for no.1 spot and being an away series, results are pretty much expected anyways.

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    That UAE loss to WI (that too after winning toss!!!!!), cost big time. Not sure, how our points went up by 3 - only reason can be that in the last year of previous year's calculation, we lost to low ranked teams which is annulled.

    If IND remains at No. 1, after SAF Series, they indeed deserve undisputed best Test team's title - otherwise it'll be proved that the ranking system is flawed without factoring home & away results. Any of the top 5/6 teams will reach to Top 1/2 spot if they play majority Tests at home in sequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    According to the rankings predictor, SA can be no.1 again if they whitewash England in England 4-0 and then whitewash BD 2-0.

    They're missing Steyn and AB and Amla Isn't the same in tests

    Lol at 4-0

    They'll be happy with a 2-1 or sth

    It's kinda unbelievable though that they have won their last three concsrcutive series in Australia and can now win three consecutive series in England

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If IND remains at No. 1, after SAF Series, they indeed deserve undisputed best Test team's title - otherwise it'll be proved that the ranking system is flawed without factoring home & away results.
    SA lost their #1 ranking after they lost to India in India.
    If India lose their #1 ranking after losing to SA in SA, it will prove that the current ranking system is fair.

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    Not too far from third position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    So we lost points despite winning the series. Makes sense considering how trash this WI team is. @Markhor [this is after annual update]

    Anyways its certain India is set for a long reign as #1
    Certain? South Africa face them later this year and if they can manage to beat England before that, India won't be #1 by the end of the year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Are you talking about India beating SA in SA?? - Unless SA plays their U15 team, that aint going to happen
    Sadly, I would have to agree with you. The pace battery of Steyn, Rabada, Ngidi and co are certain to feed chin music to India. One thing going in India's favor which was never the case previously is the fact that they have a captain who is ready to use 5 bowlers and they have a decent bowling unit. Atleast they can give themselves a chance. Though India's technique is going to be severely tested and dare i say bounced out


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Certain? South Africa face them later this year and if they can manage to beat England before that, India won't be #1 by the end of the year.
    A year is long enough for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Yes, it is always possible that I may retreat back to the real world. Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to @sensible-indian-fan?
    Sorry to side track, but yes, what happened to him and street cricketer?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Either you are ignorant or a blatant liar.

    He had an average of 40 and scored one hundred plus two fifties on the England tour.
    Stop spinning stats to hide the number of times Misbah failed in England. Do you need to be reminded of the number of innings he scored single digits? Misbah was complete failure in Australia and has abysmal record in South Africa as well.
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    New Zealand and England are certainly not better than Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    SA lost their #1 ranking after they lost to India in India.
    If India lose their #1 ranking after losing to SA in SA, it will prove that the current ranking system is fair.
    Stop putting arguments that fits your bill - Test cricket is the most home dominant sports, because of the factors associated with it. Unless, home & away is factored, nobody bothers about ranking apart from the supporters of the team at No. 1. Now IND is no. 1 after a long home season, so you are talking bullish, few months back PAK was there & they were hyping - truth is that only 2 teams in modern history could break that home & away barrier - everyone respects those 2 teams; rest are passers by.

    South Africa proved only what I said - home bullying teams that are dominant at home, not the fairness of the ranking system. I gave current Indian team a great opportunity to break that barrier - looks like you are not comfortable in that bet.

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    We are on par with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe now.

    Even in the UAE, we'll struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Now IND is no. 1 after a long home season
    India became #1 while playing in WI and would have remained #1 if rain had not washed out the 4th Test. It was after their WI series that their home stretch of playing NZ, Eng, Ban and Aus began.

    South Africa proved only what I said - home bullying teams that are dominant at home, not the fairness of the ranking system... truth is that only 2 teams in modern history could break that home & away barrier
    SA plays the kind of game that is suited to winning in Aus and Eng. However they got properly thrashed in India. So one can't say they broke the "away barrier" unless you don't count games played in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    India became #1 while playing in WI and would have remained #1 if rain had not washed out the 4th Test. It was after their WI series that their home stretch of playing NZ, Eng, Ban and Aus began.

    SA plays the kind of game that is suited to winning in Aus and Eng. However they got properly thrashed in India. So one can't say they broke the "away barrier" unless you don't count games played in India.
    You should know by now that the only Away games involve India playing outside Asia and WI ... win in SL and WI are no longer away wins even though its been ages since either won a SINGLE test in India ... whater floats the boat and such like


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    India's number #1 ranking is solely due to not playing any better test team outside home. For more than a year, Indian team has only played home series and one series each in WI and SL.

    India deserve the #1 ranking for now but I do not see them retaining it after 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    India became #1 while playing in WI and would have remained #1 if rain had not washed out the 4th Test. It was after their WI series that their home stretch of playing NZ, Eng, Ban and Aus began.



    SA plays the kind of game that is suited to winning in Aus and Eng. However they got properly thrashed in India. So one can't say they broke the "away barrier" unless you don't count games played in India.
    Again you are arguing for the sake of it - IND didn't became No. 1 only for that WI tour, before that it almost clean swept No. 1 team at home; some thing PAK did few years back - which indicates the monopoly of home teams, that should be factored in the ranking.

    I am writing this, because International schedule isn't balanced - ideally, if the ranking wan't a continuous process, rather a one of event like every 5 years with each team plays each others equal number of matches on H & A basis, it won't have been an issue. That's the way FIFA filters it's WC qualifiers in every Zone; or that's the way every Pro league runs.

    In Test (Or any ICC ranking), they don't factor H & A, & calculate No.1 on match by match basis, which is not fair. SAF, after IND tour for few weeks went down to probably 6th, and they can regain No. 1 after losing to ENG, but beating IND by big margin at home. Another reason is, the ranking is done on match by match, not series by series basis - PAK played 3 & 2 Test series against ENG, AUS & SAF at home, then 1 Test more in away, every time home team had a better result (there was couple of 2-2 & 1-1 series as well), which isn't fair again - because AUS got more points for 3-0 at home than PAK got for 2-0 in UAE, just one example.

    SAF didn't break away barrier, for their loss in IND, but they did win in SRL & drew in UAE - if this IND team can come with even draws in at least 3 of the 4 series in next SAF, AUS, ENG & NZ - they'll indeed march a long way to break "away barrier", unless you don't count SRL & UAE as adverse condition for SAF.

    Anyway, my point was regarding the limitation of the ranking system, not to judge who in deserving No. 1 - everyone is deserving No. 1, as per the ranking system, even that Indian team of early 1980s, with 4 spinners & Amarnath opening the bowling with Kapil, for their home bashing of Packer reject WI & AUS.

    Hope it explains my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Again you are arguing for the sake of it - IND didn't became No. 1 only for that WI tour, before that it almost clean swept No. 1 team at home; some thing PAK did few years back - which indicates the monopoly of home teams, that should be factored in the ranking.
    Yes, it almost swept SA at home, but at the same time if it had not won one match in England and drawn one, and also drawn two in Australia, then it would not have become #1. The reason it became #1 is that it beat teams at home by bigger margins than other teams beat India at their homes.

    Anyway, my point was regarding the limitation of the ranking system, not to judge who in deserving No. 1 - everyone is deserving No. 1, as per the ranking system, even that Indian team of early 1980s, with 4 spinners & Amarnath opening the bowling with Kapil, for their home bashing of Packer reject WI & AUS.
    I am not saying that the Indian #1 ranking with other nations depleted by Packer was creditable. Packer was a different issue, nothing to do with home and away. However India's #1 ranking for 15 months from April 73 to June 74 was indeed impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    They're missing Steyn and AB and Amla Isn't the same in tests

    Lol at 4-0

    They'll be happy with a 2-1 or sth

    It's kinda unbelievable though that they have won their last three concsrcutive series in Australia and can now win three consecutive series in England
    They did not have Steyn/AB and were carrying a past it Amla in OZ as well and I had written them off completely but they still managed to win. I think England are quite a weak team now as well. Their bowling attack looks overworked and toothless and their batting is mainly Cook/Root. Will be an interesting serirs for sure.


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