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    Best ever Test all-rounder from Asia

    So Ravi Ashwin has 1903 runs @ 32.25 and 275 wickets at 25.22. Can he match or overtake Imran Khan as the best allrounder from Asia ?

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    Nope, Imran is the best and will remain the best.

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    Please don't tell me I just read what I just read. Ashwin - sorry to say - is not worth the dirt on Imran Khan's 30 year old sneakers.

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    Of course Ashwin > Imran.




















    Imran is 60+. How fast he can bowl now? On top of that I don't think he is fit to bowl 4 overs at one go. I bet he would needed glasses to bat as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Please don't tell me I just read what I just read. Ashwin - sorry to say - is not worth the dirt on Imran Khan's 30 year old sneakers.
    You are seriously uderestimating Ashwin. He can easily end up with 4000 test runs @ 35 and 500 wickets @ 25.

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    His fellow countryman Kapil Dev was a better allrounder

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    You are seriously uderestimating Ashwin. He can easily end up with 4000 test runs @ 35 and 500 wickets @ 25.
    You are wasting your time discussing this here.Let them rejoice history and live in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarmfast View Post
    You are wasting your time discussing this here.Let them rejoice history and live in the past.
    IK averaged 50 with bat and 19 with ball in his last 10 years of international cricket. 'Live in the past' is hardly what we're doing. To compare a very good player to a legend is obnoxious to say the least.

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    Ashwin first has to match the batting aesthetics of Yasir Shah.



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    No, but he can easily become the third best Asian all-rounder after Imran and Kapil. Terrific cricketer, definitely a legend in the making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    IK averaged 50 with bat and 19 with ball in his last 10 years of international cricket. 'Live in the past' is hardly what we're doing. To compare a very good player to a legend is obnoxious to say the least.
    Wow. I thought cricket was played over a whole career instead of 'last 10 years'. But what can you say about a team which has fallen so far that fans have to keep finding solace in the achievements of players who retired 30 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No, but he can easily become the third best Asian all-rounder after Imran and Kapil. Terrific cricketer, definitely a legend in the making.
    I think, in terms of stats and records he will surpass Imran easily, but he lacks the charisma and aura of IK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    I think, in terms of stats and records he will surpass Imran easily, but he lacks the charisma and aura of IK.
    Not even in stats and records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    Wow. I thought cricket was played over a whole career instead of 'last 10 years'. But what can you say about a team which has fallen so far that fans have to keep finding solace in the achievements of players who retired 30 years ago.
    No solace, just facts. And I thought we're talking about allrounders, not current teams? If you want to discuss about my team nowadays then I'd be glad to.

    I merely mentioned IK's averages because OP mentioned Ashwins. If you want his overall numbers then he averages 38 and 23 with bat and ball resoectively. A time where IK was facing the best fast bowling attacks in the world. I especially said his last 10 years since usually that's when you decline, but IK just got better. Can't say the same about most people.

    If the thread was rephrased then I'd agree that he probably is the current best allrounder in Asia.

    Just don't get salty when IK is and will always will be better than Ashwin unless he manages to average under 15 with the ball and over 75 with the bat from here on out. He's undoubtedly the best Pakistani to ever play the game and to say Ashwin will be better than that is, like I said, obnoxious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Not even in stats and records.
    What, if he ends up with 4000+ runs @ 35 and 500 wickets @ 25 ? An average of 25 is great for a spinner. IK had a batting average of 37 and bowling average of 22, but he was a fast bowler.

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    Imran played in a totally different era when there weren't many flat tracks. He didn't get tracks that were seaming miles to get his wickets.

    No disrespect to Ashwin, he is very good, but Imran is a legend.

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    Imran is the undisputed GOAT all rounder from Asia.

    Ashwin is good but won't come close to Imran as an all rounder.

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    The key in measuring alrounders skills are the difference between the average of Batting and bowling. A player must play certain amount of games, score certain amount of runs, and take certain number of wickets.

    50 test, 2k runs, 100+ wickets.

    Surely Ashwin will get his 50th test in near future.
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    Ashwin's difference of average is 7.0.

    Imran's difference of average is 14.88. lol. Double and some. What stat are we talking about now?

    To put in to prospective here are the other greats:

    Sobers 23.74.
    Kallis 22.61.


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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    IK averaged 50 with bat and 19 with ball in his last 10 years of international cricket.
    Quite a remarkable performance!

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/guru?c...ields=viewtype

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    Ashwin the batsman is not genuine quality.

    His bowling is world class but won't rate him as an AR.

    This is ofcourse without considering stats only. I think one can tell that Ashwin is not a quality batsman. I am aware he has some useful knocks but if he was in the side only for his batting how well would he have performed often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    You are seriously uderestimating Ashwin. He can easily end up with 4000 test runs @ 35 and 500 wickets @ 25.
    Still worse stats than Imran who averages 36 and 22....

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    Still he is not better than shakib overall,let alone IK,KD.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No, but he can easily become the third best Asian all-rounder after Imran and Kapil. Terrific cricketer, definitely a legend in the making.
    He would need to have better stats than Mushtaq Mohammad and Wasim Akram....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Still he is not better than shakib overall,let alone IK,KD.
    Ashwin is better than Shakib statistically....

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    Imran Khan can walk into any XI on basis of his bowling alone. I think that says enough about his ability as an all-rounder.

    Different class than these pseudo all-rounders ;)
    Last edited by WhenSultansBowled; 19th May 2017 at 16:25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoniInsafian View Post
    Ashwin is better than Shakib statistically....
    Nope.


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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    What, if he ends up with 4000+ runs @ 35 and 500 wickets @ 25 ? An average of 25 is great for a spinner. IK had a batting average of 37 and bowling average of 22, but he was a fast bowler.
    Imran was a fast bowler but he played on dead Pakistani tracks.... He took wickets all over the world.... Ashwin is good on Indian dust bowls and West Indies but he fails everywhere else....
    There is zero comparison between them as bowlers... As batsman Imran has a higher average so again he wins....

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    It is a disgrace considering him as proper all rounder ,let alone comparing him with IK,KD


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Nope.

    Shakib averages 40 and 33. Difference 7.

    Ashwin averages 32 and 25. Difference 7.

    They are the same but in this batsman dominated era you prefer someone who averages 25...

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    @Nil Dhumrojal I agree that, if Shakib played on Indian dustbowls, he would average much lower.... But I said that "statistically Ashwin is better" which is true...

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    Mushtaq Mohammad

    Batting average: 39
    Bowling average: 29

    Difference: 10

    Greatest spin all-rounder from Asia???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoniInsafian View Post
    Mushtaq Mohammad

    Batting average: 39
    Bowling average: 29

    Difference: 10

    Greatest spin all-rounder from Asia???
    But how many matches he played?

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    But how many matches he played?
    57 test matches.... 3600 runs and 70 wickets.... But at that time Pakistan didn't play a lot....

    He has similar averages in county cricket... 30 000 FC runs and 936 wickets....

    So you know his international averages aren't a fluke....

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    Even Shakib is galaxies ahead of Ashwin as a batsman. Ask Ashwin to score a double hundred in lethal conditions of NZ and then we can speak.

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    He is neck and neck with Shakib. Both have played 49 matches too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoniInsafian View Post
    57 test matches.... 3600 runs and 70 wickets.... But at that time Pakistan didn't play a lot....

    He has similar averages in county cricket... 30 000 FC runs and 936 wickets....

    So you know his international averages aren't a fluke....
    Lol, 70 wickets is too small a sample size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    Lol, 70 wickets is too small a sample size.
    And almost a thousand FC wickets from county cricket.... 79 wickets isn't small for the era... And he was a batting all-rounder (39 batting average)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoniInsafian View Post
    Shakib averages 40 and 33. Difference 7.

    Ashwin averages 32 and 25. Difference 7.

    They are the same ...
    Why lose the decimal? 7.02 for your beloved. 7.88 for Shakib. That's why.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BD-fan View Post
    Why lose the decimal? 7.02 for your beloved. 7.88 for Shakib. That's why.
    The decimal doesn't prove who's better. It just shows who is a more genuine all-rounder. Whoever has a lower decimal, is more genuine. In this case, it's Ashwin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    The decimal doesn't prove who's better. It just shows who is a more genuine all-rounder. Whoever has a lower decimal, is more genuine. In this case, it's Ashwin.
    are you serious? So an average of 25 and 25 or (30 and 30) would be the BEST GENUINE alrounder? Since the difference is zero? Wow!! Learn something knew everyday. Thanks Rayyman.


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    hahaha wat a blind joke... ashwin.. lol .... ashwin is an amazing bowler (only in sub-continent) and resonable batsman (on flat pitches) .... Imran was amazing all over the world, batting and bowling... plzzz...

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    Nice bait thread to ridicule Ashwin.


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    Truly Ashwin is the best test opener currently.

    But comparing with IK.

    Lost for words

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    Quote Originally Posted by fazleefridi View Post
    Truly Ashwin is the best test opener currently.

    But comparing with IK.

    Lost for words
    Opener ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD-fan View Post
    are you serious? So an average of 25 and 25 or (30 and 30) would be the BEST GENUINE alrounder? Since the difference is zero? Wow!! Learn something knew everyday. Thanks Rayyman.
    You're welcome. Glad you understood.

    Just in case you were being sarcastic, I did not state who is better. I just stated who is more of a rounded player. While the other is more of a "batting" all-rounder. As shown by the stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    Opener ?
    I mean AR

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    And yeah, Shakib > Ashwin.

    Salty Indians like @geraltofrivia can suck it up - they'll never find anyone like Imran. Whether they compare their jobbers with Imran's first 10 years, last 10 years, first 10 days, etc. won't matter - Imran will be Imran and you won't catch up to him. @shaz619


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    Quote Originally Posted by Square Drive View Post
    And yeah, Shakib > Ashwin.

    Salty Indians like @geraltofrivia can suck it up - they'll never find anyone like Imran. Whether they compare their jobbers with Imran's first 10 years, last 10 years, first 10 days, etc. won't matter - Imran will be Imran and you won't catch up to him. @shaz619
    Well said and Shakib is in fact much superior tohenAshwin and we've seen that over a bigger sample


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Well said and Shakib is in fact much superior tohenAshwin and we've seen that over a bigger sample
    Shakib carries his team, whereas Ashwin gets dropped on overseas tours to protect his numbers and try to make them comparable to Imran in some shape or form.


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    After 49 tests,

    Imran Khan

    Matches 49
    Runs 1853
    HS 123
    Batting Average 29.88
    100's 2
    Wickets 232
    BBI 8/58
    Bowling average 22.91
    5WI 16
    Average Difference - 6.97

    Ravichandran Ashwin
    Matches 49
    Runs 1903
    HS 124
    Batting Average 32.25
    100's 4
    Wickets 275
    BBI 7/59
    Bowling average 25.22
    5WI 25
    Average Difference 7.03


    Some people (read most) here talking as if they saw Imran from day one of his cricketing career and he was this god level all rounder with a batting average of 50 and bowling average of 20 from day 1. After 49 matches (clearly a pedastal which the 'same fans' use while comparing say a Babar vs Kohli), one can clearly see Ashwin is ahead of Imran. So unless, they can peep into their crystal ball and tell how Ashwin is going to do the next few years, i suggest they refrain from making silly statements like dirt on sneakers and all.

    Yes Imran is an ATG, no doubt about it, I am just pointing at the double standards of our friendly neighbors over here who jump on the defensive when an upcoming pak batsman is compared with an indian great, and quote performances after 'x' games.

    Rest my case!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Square Drive View Post
    Shakib carries his team, whereas Ashwin gets dropped on overseas tours to protect his numbers and try to make them comparable to Imran in some shape or form.
    Ashwin isn't even a better all rounder then Ashley Giles, these comparisons with ATG's are far fetched


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynical View Post
    After 49 tests,

    Imran Khan

    Matches 49
    Runs 1853
    HS 123
    Batting Average 29.88
    100's 2
    Wickets 232
    BBI 8/58
    Bowling average 22.91
    5WI 16
    Average Difference - 6.97

    Ravichandran Ashwin
    Matches 49
    Runs 1903
    HS 124
    Batting Average 32.25
    100's 4
    Wickets 275
    BBI 7/59
    Bowling average 25.22
    5WI 25
    Average Difference 7.03


    Some people (read most) here talking as if they saw Imran from day one of his cricketing career and he was this god level all rounder with a batting average of 50 and bowling average of 20 from day 1. After 49 matches (clearly a pedastal which the 'same fans' use while comparing say a Babar vs Kohli), one can clearly see Ashwin is ahead of Imran. So unless, they can peep into their crystal ball and tell how Ashwin is going to do the next few years, i suggest they refrain from making silly statements like dirt on sneakers and all.

    Yes Imran is an ATG, no doubt about it, I am just pointing at the double standards of our friendly neighbors over here who jump on the defensive when an upcoming pak batsman is compared with an indian great, and quote performances after 'x' games.

    Rest my case!
    @Napa @JaDed @geraltofrivia


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    Kallis bowling isn't that great. He was an average bowler. His batting was world class. I still think Sober, Imran and Botham were the best all-rounders of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynical View Post
    After 49 tests,

    Imran Khan

    Matches 49
    Runs 1853
    HS 123
    Batting Average 29.88
    100's 2
    Wickets 232
    BBI 8/58
    Bowling average 22.91
    5WI 16
    Average Difference - 6.97

    Ravichandran Ashwin
    Matches 49
    Runs 1903
    HS 124
    Batting Average 32.25
    100's 4
    Wickets 275
    BBI 7/59
    Bowling average 25.22
    5WI 25
    Average Difference 7.03


    Some people (read most) here talking as if they saw Imran from day one of his cricketing career and he was this god level all rounder with a batting average of 50 and bowling average of 20 from day 1. After 49 matches (clearly a pedastal which the 'same fans' use while comparing say a Babar vs Kohli), one can clearly see Ashwin is ahead of Imran. So unless, they can peep into their crystal ball and tell how Ashwin is going to do the next few years, i suggest they refrain from making silly statements like dirt on sneakers and all.

    Yes Imran is an ATG, no doubt about it, I am just pointing at the double standards of our friendly neighbors over here who jump on the defensive when an upcoming pak batsman is compared with an indian great, and quote performances after 'x' games.

    Rest my case!
    Wow, Imran really improved his batting stats at the later end of his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    Kallis bowling isn't that great. He was an average bowler. His batting was world class. I still think Sober, Imran and Botham were the best all-rounders of all time.
    Kallis was a batting all-rounder. The difference between his batting and bowling averages is a massive 22.3, which is only 2nd to Sir Garfield Sobers.

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    Right now Ashwin is behind Imran khan unless he improves a lot in upcoming years especially his overseas performance then he can challenge Imran khan. Very unlikely but can happen..

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Right now Ashwin is behind Imran khan unless he improves a lot in upcoming years especially his overseas performance then he can challenge Imran khan. Very unlikely but can happen..
    What do you mean by 'right now'. Does it mean Imran after his entire career and Ashwin after 49 tests? If yes then I agree.

    I already put out stats after 49 tests and Ashwin is ahead.

    Yes, Ashwin may not or rather , most likely,will not be able to up his game to reach what Imran did at latter stages of his career, but that is a whole different story.

    This is a classic bait thread and sadly everyone has fallen for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    Kallis was a batting all-rounder. The difference between his batting and bowling averages is a massive 22.3, which is only 2nd to Sir Garfield Sobers.
    If a batting all-rounder averages 50 with the bat and 35 with the ball, his difference will be 15... If a bowling all-rounder averages 18 with the ball and 30 with the bat, his difference will be only 12.... But the bowling all-rounder is obviously better.... It is easier for batting all-rounders to have a big difference between averages.... Because the batting average has a bigger range, 50 to 60 is the same thing as 18 to 23....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynical View Post
    What do you mean by 'right now'. Does it mean Imran after his entire career and Ashwin after 49 tests? If yes then I agree.

    I already put out stats after 49 tests and Ashwin is ahead.

    Yes, Ashwin may not or rather , most likely,will not be able to up his game to reach what Imran did at latter stages of his career, but that is a whole different story.

    This is a classic bait thread and sadly everyone has fallen for it.
    Ofcourse Imran has finished his career and his overall career is far better than what Ashwin has achieved so far... Ashwin still has 6-7 years probably so you never know what he can achieve.. It's highly unlikely he will surpass Imran but who knows what future holds..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoniInsafian View Post
    If a batting all-rounder averages 50 with the bat and 35 with the ball, his difference will be 15... If a bowling all-rounder averages 18 with the ball and 30 with the bat, his difference will be only 12.... But the bowling all-rounder is obviously better.... It is easier for batting all-rounders to have a big difference between averages.... Because the batting average has a bigger range, 50 to 60 is the same thing as 18 to 23....
    Still, people rate batting all-rounders higher, thats why Garry Sobers is universally regarded as the best all-rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Ofcourse Imran has finished his career and his overall career is far better than what Ashwin has achieved so far... Ashwin still has 6-7 years probably so you never know what he can achieve.. It's highly unlikely he will surpass Imran but who knows what future holds..
    what ever he does in my opinion he will be below even kapil dew,,his batting technique would not be that he will win u matches with the bat like kapil and imran did,,,,,he will be 3rd best allrouder at his best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Ofcourse Imran has finished his career and his overall career is far better than what Ashwin has achieved so far... Ashwin still has 6-7 years probably so you never know what he can achieve.. It's highly unlikely he will surpass Imran but who knows what future holds..
    Well, what if he scores 4000 + test runs @35 and gets 500 wickets @25? Imran scored 3807 runs at 37.69 and took 362 wickets @ 22.81. I think 500 wickets @ 25 > 362 wickets @ 23. And I certainly think Ashwin can achieve those stats as he can play 6-7 years more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    Well, what if he scores 4000 + test runs @35 and gets 500 wickets @25? Imran scored 3807 runs at 37.69 and took 362 wickets @ 22.81. I think 500 wickets @ 25 > 362 wickets @ 23. And I certainly think Ashwin can achieve those stats as he can play 6-7 years more.
    How exactly is 25 better than 22??? Overall wickets doesn't matter since people used to play less then.... Imran played 20 years and took as many wickets as possible (365 is a lot for the time)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    So Ravi Ashwin has 1903 runs @ 32.25 and 275 wickets at 25.22. Can he match or overtake Imran Khan as the best allrounder from Asia ?
    Ashwin can't be the best allrounder FROM Asia, not even close but he could the best IN Asia, has he performs only in Asia and not in Australia, NZL, SA and England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    Well, what if he scores 4000 + test runs @35 and gets 500 wickets @25? Imran scored 3807 runs at 37.69 and took 362 wickets @ 22.81. I think 500 wickets @ 25 > 362 wickets @ 23. And I certainly think Ashwin can achieve those stats as he can play 6-7 years more.

    Imran would still be better.. In his primary discipline which is bowling Imran is arguably a top 5 bowler ever.. Ashwin is not that level unless in he next 6-7 years he performs at 18-22 average in bowling with multiple top notch performances abroad he won't reach Imran's level..

    Number of wickets don't matter when both bowlers have more than 300 wickets otherwise people will consider Walsh as a better bowler than ambrose but I doubt you will find anyone in PP who considers that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    what ever he does in my opinion he will be below even kapil dew,,his batting technique would not be that he will win u matches with the bat like kapil and imran did,,,,,he will be 3rd best allrouder at his best...

    Ashwin has saved or won few games by scoring crucial centuries or half centuries in last few years.. His batting is good for tests and can still get better.. Kapil ofcourse is the best AR from India and he was a fast bowling AR and one of a kind so far in Indian cricket history, but Ashwin can overtake him depending on his future performances..

    People won't rate Ashwin because he plays most of his matches on so called rank turners in India against opposition who are very poor against spin.. So it's very tough for Ashwin to overtake KD Or IK

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Imran would still be better.. In his primary discipline which is bowling Imran is arguably a top 5 bowler ever.. Ashwin is not that level unless in he next 6-7 years he performs at 18-22 average in bowling with multiple top notch performances abroad he won't reach Imran's level..

    Number of wickets don't matter when both bowlers have more than 300 wickets otherwise people will consider Walsh as a better bowler than ambrose but I doubt you will find anyone in PP who considers that..
    But Ashwin is a spinner. Warne also has a bowling average of 25, and he is an automatic selection in most all time XI's. So, I certainly feel that if Ashwin can maintain his current bowling average over the course of 500 wickets, he certainly will go down as an ATG bowler and if he also keeps up his batting, that would make him an ATG all-rounder too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    But Ashwin is a spinner. Warne also has a bowling average of 25, and he is an automatic selection in most all time XI's. So, I certainly feel that if Ashwin can maintain his current bowling average over the course of 500 wickets, he certainly will go down as an ATG bowler and if he also keeps up his batting, that would make him an ATG all-rounder too.

    Warne played his home matches in Australia and it is my opinion that the quality of batsmen against spin was much higher in Warne's era than it is today in Ashwin's era.. Ashwin's true test would have been a series against Pakistan with YK in decent form.. If he had performed well in that series I would have rated him very highly..

    There is no denying Ashwin can go down as an ATG AR however your question was comparing him to IK which will be nearly impossible for him to achieve..

    Also if you ask someone like @harsh thokar or @MMHS or @Junaids the old guys here they will probably rate Bedi or Prassana as the best spinner to come out of India instead of Ashwin.. I might be wrong about that but my dad rates Bedi and Prassana above Ashwin..

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    Ashwin is a fantastic allrounder right now but no way is he better than Imran.

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    There is a better chance of Ahmed Shehzad averaging 90+ in all formats for the next ten years. Like someone else said, Ashwin isn't worth the dust on Imran's shoes as a cricketer. His bowling average is built solely upon conditions that are tailor-made for him and his batting although decent, is not at the level of Imran.

    Imran Khan is the greatest all-rounder of all time. Ashwin would do well to match Shakib ul Hasan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    But Ashwin is a spinner. Warne also has a bowling average of 25, and he is an automatic selection in most all time XI's. So, I certainly feel that if Ashwin can maintain his current bowling average over the course of 500 wickets, he certainly will go down as an ATG bowler and if he also keeps up his batting, that would make him an ATG all-rounder too.
    What's his average in Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand? Oh, and what is his average against Pakistan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    What's his average in Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand? Oh, and what is his average against Pakistan?
    Meh, Warne's avg in India and WI were equally horrible too. Ash just has a bad experience in Australia. His Eng avg even though at a paltry sample set of 2 games is much better than Warne's avg in WI and India

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    But Ashwin is a spinner. Warne also has a bowling average of 25, and he is an automatic selection in most all time XI's. So, I certainly feel that if Ashwin can maintain his current bowling average over the course of 500 wickets, he certainly will go down as an ATG bowler and if he also keeps up his batting, that would make him an ATG all-rounder too.
    That's because Warne has performed in more conditions than indian dustbowls and west indies spin tracks..... What ATG bowler has averages like Ashwin's in Australia and England???

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    Guy averages 55 in Australia and 33 in England.... Doesn't have an average in South Africa since he couldn't take a wicket there.... But according to some he is an ATG bowler already because he has the same average as Warne

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynical View Post
    After 49 tests,

    Imran Khan

    Matches 49
    Runs 1853
    HS 123
    Batting Average 29.88
    100's 2
    Wickets 232
    BBI 8/58
    Bowling average 22.91
    5WI 16
    Average Difference - 6.97

    Ravichandran Ashwin
    Matches 49
    Runs 1903
    HS 124
    Batting Average 32.25
    100's 4
    Wickets 275
    BBI 7/59
    Bowling average 25.22
    5WI 25
    Average Difference 7.03


    Some people (read most) here talking as if they saw Imran from day one of his cricketing career and he was this god level all rounder with a batting average of 50 and bowling average of 20 from day 1. After 49 matches (clearly a pedastal which the 'same fans' use while comparing say a Babar vs Kohli), one can clearly see Ashwin is ahead of Imran. So unless, they can peep into their crystal ball and tell how Ashwin is going to do the next few years, i suggest they refrain from making silly statements like dirt on sneakers and all.

    Yes Imran is an ATG, no doubt about it, I am just pointing at the double standards of our friendly neighbors over here who jump on the defensive when an upcoming pak batsman is compared with an indian great, and quote performances after 'x' games.

    Rest my case!
    Congrats, Ashwin had a better start to his career but that doesn't guarantee success. A career is called a career for a reason but yes I agree it was a bait thread, and is a stupid one at that. It's like comparing Sachin with QDK - like, really?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoniInsafian View Post
    Guy averages 55 in Australia and 33 in England.... Doesn't have an average in South Africa since he couldn't take a wicket there.... But according to some he is an ATG bowler already because he has the same average as Warne
    Well, no one is saying that he is an ATG bowler already, all I am saying that if he maintains his current bowling average over his whole career and let's say end up with 500 test wickets, he will certainly be an ATG bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanzcool View Post
    Meh, Warne's avg in India and WI were equally horrible too. Ash just has a bad experience in Australia. His Eng avg even though at a paltry sample set of 2 games is much better than Warne's avg in WI and India
    I counted five places where Ashwin has been horrible or hasn't shown that he won't be horrible. Warne, on the other hand, only failed in two countries. I believe you know that five is greater than two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    Well, no one is saying that he is an ATG bowler already, all I am saying that if he maintains his current bowling average over his whole career and let's say end up with 500 test wickets, he will certainly be an ATG bowler.
    If Babar Azam maintains his current average for the next 400 games, he'll be the best ODI batsman from Asia. What exactly is the point of these statements? Any batsman or bowler who maintains a great average over a long period of time goes down as an ATG. The point is that only a very small minority end up doing so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    If Babar Azam maintains his current average for the next 400 games, he'll be the best ODI batsman from Asia. What exactly is the point of these statements? Any batsman or bowler who maintains a great average over a long period of time goes down as an ATG. The point is that only a very small minority end up doing so.
    Well, thats the point, ofcourse time will tell, but I certainly feel that its not beyond the scope of Ashwin's ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szrana007 View Post
    Well, thats the point, ofcourse time will tell, but I certainly feel that its not beyond the scope of Ashwin's ability.
    He's already 31.... He won't be taking 500 wickets....

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