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    Should Shadab Khan play against India and Sri Lanka at the Champions Trophy?

    Shadab is a good find. But, still finding his feat in ODIs. India and Sri lanka, play spin well. Also England is not a good place for a spinner to bowl. Especially for a leg spinner, who is a rookie.

    Above all, bowling at a big stage, might make him nervous.

    Would you play him against Ind and Sl?

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    He is a risky option against India, but it doesn't mean much because the alternatives are probably worse. I'd play him in all three group games.

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    Obviously. He is our secret weapon. Remember his googly is mighty hard to pick. He made Pakistan's premier batsman (Babar Azam) look like a tailender twice in two consecutive balls across two innings by dismissing him bowled and lbw. Indians are good players of spin but their famed batting line up has been demolished by unknown spinners in the past well.


    On top of everything, Shadab has that never say die attitude and aggressive attitude that reminds us of the Pakistani flair of the 90s. He is not one of those "good boys" who accept respectful defeat over going for victory.


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    Definitely, just because they play spin better doesn't mean the can't get out to him. Plus, India have flopped against spin before, Sri Lanka have some inexperienced players so he has a chance to get wickets there too.

    My attack for all the games, unless there's an injury would be:

    Imad
    Shadab
    Hasan
    Amir
    Junaid

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    I would not play him.

    Would rather go with this attack, against the 2 Asian teams.

    7.Imad
    8.Fahim/Wahab(Wouldn't mind, giving debut to Fahim, as he would not do worse than Wahab, and his batting would be an added advantage. The least said about the No balls from Wahab, the better. Bowling Fahim would atleast save 5 runs, as Wahab would bowl atleast 5 no balls)
    9.Amir
    10.Hassan
    11.Junaid/Wahab(Junaid should be a starter, though.)

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    Yes he should play.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fazleefridi View Post
    Shadab is a good find. But, still finding his feat in ODIs. India and Sri lanka, play spin well. Also England is not a good place for a spinner to bowl. Especially for a leg spinner, who is a rookie.

    Above all, bowling at a big stage, might make him nervous.

    Would you play him against Ind and Sl?
    I'd play him as an allrounder not specialist spinner. In the few outings he has had he has looked a better batsman than half of the existing top order. In ODIs I'd even try him as opener over someone like Shehzad.

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    Both Shadab and Imad should play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I'd play him as an allrounder not specialist spinner. In the few outings he has had he has looked a better batsman than half of the existing top order. In ODIs I'd even try him as opener over someone like Shehzad.
    is there anyone left in the team that has not been suggested to be tried out as opener???

    only thing that pp experts can think these days


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    He should play all 3 games. Currently cricket is in its worst phase of playing spin so Pakistan should take advantage of this and play Shadab. Furthermore Shadab has some mystery about him. His batting is another plus point.

    If Pakistan opted to play one spinner, I'll take Shadab over Imad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasihulhaq94 View Post
    is there anyone left in the team that has not been suggested to be tried out as opener???

    only thing that pp experts can think these days
    The best was when Umar Akmal apologists kept harping that the only remedy for Akmal's lack of performance was to play him as opener, but these folks conveniently forget that Akmal hasn't even opened in domestics and even in the recent Pakistan Cup he was the captain of the Punjab side and played himself at number 4.


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    Play him and utilise his batting as much as possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a risky option against India, but it doesn't mean much because the alternatives are probably worse. I'd play him in all three group games.
    I agree. He can't be worse than Yasir is in ODIs.

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    Obviously he is a match winner with both bat and bowl.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Against Ind it is better to go bowling heavy attack. should go with a four men pace attack is a must. Earlier I said only imad or shadab to play. Also thinking they should go with Hafeez Azhar Babar Sarfraz Malik Imad shadab Amir wahab Hasan junaid. Batting however relies on middle order and lower middle order.

    If they go with this above line up. Azhar's 80 off 100 balls will be mighty useful as the 7 bowlers are much capable of rolling India below 250 for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fazleefridi View Post
    I would not play him.

    Would rather go with this attack, against the 2 Asian teams.

    7.Imad
    8.Fahim/Wahab(Wouldn't mind, giving debut to Fahim, as he would not do worse than Wahab, and his batting would be an added advantage. The least said about the No balls from Wahab, the better. Bowling Fahim would atleast save 5 runs, as Wahab would bowl atleast 5 no balls)
    9.Amir
    10.Hassan
    11.Junaid/Wahab(Junaid should be a starter, though.)

    Fahim hasn't been impressed me with both bat and ball. Both are avg, must be equal to Anwar ali. May be he can trouble the domestic batsmen which also he failed to do so in the recently concluded ONe day cup.

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    He is a bit over-hyped by most Pakistani fans. I obviously would play our 4 frontline pacers against India: Amir, Junaid, Hasan and Riaz. These guys have good records against India and will hopefully be supported by the conditions in UK. Also, Kohli, Yuvraj and Dhoni are very good against in spin. Leg-spin in particular.

    If Shadab does play, I wish him all the best. He should bowl in the middle overs. In batting, obviously should come in at 8. 7 is too high. 9 is too low.

    Sri Lanka match is last match of group stages. So it depends on what happens before that.


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    Yes. The problem is, who do you drop and who do you play. Amir is our best bowler but Junaid and Wahab have good performances vs India. Hasan Ali is in peak form and you need Imad to finish.

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    Indians are not good players of spin.

    Pak your team with Imad, Shadab and Yasir.

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    Shady is better bowler than Imad and a 'wicket taker'.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    yes, he will be the trump card for us.

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    Absolutely. He could be a match winner on his day which can't be said about most of the other players.

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    The guy is young and very talented.

    Pakistan should start rebuilding and Shadab can become a much needed allrounder in the Pakistani squad

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Indians are not good players of spin.

    Pak your team with Imad, Shadab and Yasir.
    Calling Inzi bhai right now


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Indians are not good players of spin.

    Pak your team with Imad, Shadab and Yasir.
    No thanks. http://www.espncricinfo.com/australi...ch/656405.html


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    He is risky option against India, because we cannot play 3 seamers against them, we must play 4 seamers against India, its early June in ENG, day game, you got to play 4 seamers...One of them (Immad or Shadab) would sit out that game. I am tempted to sit Immad out for Shadab, because he is leggy, who has very good googlie...Look at IPL, how effective were Imran and Rashid...He is wicket taker, not easy to hit. Please don't compare to Yasir in ODI, they are very different bowlers.

    Other games, no brainer...SA is weak against spin, he must play.


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    Hafeez should sit out. Shadab should play in his place.

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    In the 2015 WC match, they were able to see off Irfan and then just feast on the rest of the line up. We were able to start winning matches once we deployed four pacers.

    We must do exactly the same thing here. As has been noted about a thousand times at this point, Sohail Khan should have been selected but was not as he could have played a bowling all rounder role at #8.

    Bowling plan should be to play Riaz and Amir during the first 10 overs of the power play, and have Hasan Ali as first change. The fourth pacer should be Junaid Khan or Fahim Ashraf, whoever is in form. If Khan is fit I would rather play him, because he's quicker.

    Batting wise, open with Azhar and Zaman (yes, seriously), then Azam at #3, and Sarfraz at #4. Play Malik at #5, then Wasim and Khan at #6 and #7 respectively, unless we seriously think Hafeez can actually play at #6.

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    Yes ,don't think Indian team has done its homework on him,hopefully Kumble atleast noticed something in the West Indian tour and can help our batsmen.


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    Yes, I think Kohli is susceptible to legspin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahson8 View Post
    Yes, I think Kohli is susceptible to legspin.
    Most batsmen in the world would rather face an off-spinner, a left arm spinner or a spray gun pacer like Wahab than an accurate leggie with a potent googly. In terms of attacking options a leggie is right up there with a fast pacer who can swing/seam the ball.

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    The positive move would be to play him. Indians on flat pitches will murder the pacers. Shadab will be better off for the experience.

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    Shadab has to be accomodated at the cost of Fahim Ashraf or Hafeez. This would be a superb combo. With so much of variety and sufficient fire power lower down the order.

    I hope Mickey Arthur tries this..

    1. Azhar Ali / Ahmed Shehzad
    2. Fakhar Zaman / Umar Akmal
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Sarfraz Ahamed
    5. Shoaib Malik
    6. Fahim Ashraf / Mohammad Hafeez
    7. Imad Wasim
    8. Shadab Khan
    9. Wahab Riaz / Junaid Khan
    10. Mohammad Amir
    11. Hasan Ali

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    100% especially against India


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    Definitely.

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    Team should be:

    Fakhar Zaman
    Mohammed Hafeez
    Babar Azam
    Shoaib Malik
    Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(WK)
    Umar Akmal
    Imad Wasim
    Shadab Khan
    Mohammed Amir
    Hasan Ali
    Junaid Khan

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    for some reason i have more confidence in Fahim 'the allrounder' then Junaid and Wahab the bowlers.
    I find it weird because I havent seen him much and havent followed his career but somehow I feel he will bring more balance to Pak side from his late order hitting and seam bowling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    Team should be:

    Fakhar Zaman
    Mohammed Hafeez
    Babar Azam
    Shoaib Malik
    Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(WK)
    Umar Akmal
    Imad Wasim
    Shadab Khan
    Mohammed Amir
    Hasan Ali
    Junaid Khan
    I don't think Hafeez would be good enough when the ball swings, especially the new ball.

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    against india play six bowlers 4 batsmen and wk..

    Azhar
    Hafeez
    Babar
    Sarfraz
    Malik
    Imad
    Shadab
    Amir
    Wahab
    Hasan
    Junaid...

    Anything beyond 250 pak cannot chase against ind...

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    hafeez and malik are liabilities with the bat. i would rather play Shadab and Wahab in their place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    against india play six bowlers 4 batsmen and wk..

    Azhar
    Hafeez
    Babar
    Sarfraz
    Malik
    Imad
    Shadab
    Amir
    Wahab
    Hasan
    Junaid...

    Anything beyond 250 pak cannot chase against ind...
    M Hafeez is a bowler too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    M Hafeez is a bowler too.
    He's not a specialist bowler just a bits and pieces player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sl-fan-of-pak View Post
    I don't think Hafeez would be good enough when the ball swings, especially the new ball.
    What good are Shehzad and Azhar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    What good are Shehzad and Azhar?

    Shehzad is still young and deserves a chance. Azhar is a far better batsman than hafeez can ever be. no comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    He's not a specialist bowler just a bits and pieces player.
    His batting is much worse than his bowling, so it's better to consider him a bowler than a batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    He should play all 3 games. Currently cricket is in its worst phase of playing spin so Pakistan should take advantage of this and play Shadab. Furthermore Shadab has some mystery about him. His batting is another plus point.

    If Pakistan opted to play one spinner, I'll take Shadab over Imad.
    When mickey came into scene.. i was very happy thinking that now pak will also make strategic policies and decisions but he too disappointed me

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    Our bowling attack should not be one-dimensional and should consist of variety so I would include Shadab here. I'd say he'll have a good game against SL and SA but against Ind anything can happen. Everytime I watched Afridi play against India (from Mohali up to his retirement) he got smacked everywhere.

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    He will get Yuvraj out stumped off a googly.

    The current Indian team's ability against spin is severely overrated. Get Kohli out early and Shadab, Imad and Malik will choke the middle order. It will take some lusty blows down the order against Wahab/Junaid to get them a respectable total /chase the target.

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    Yes. He is a quality bowler, Indian and Lankan battters will be bamboozled playing him for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    What good are Shehzad and Azhar?
    I don't mean Hafeez doesn't warrant a place in the XI, I mean, he can bat in the middle order.

    Azhar or Shehzad, one of the two can bat as an opener, whilst I would prefer Azhar out of the two.

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    Yes he should play all the group games. His batting is very underrated here. I have a feeling that he will play atleast one match winning innings. My line up will be.

    1 Hafeez
    2 Azhar
    3 Babar
    4 Sarfaraz
    5 Malik
    6 Umar
    7 Shadab
    8 Hassan
    9 Amir
    10 Wahab
    11 Junaid

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    Pakistan should play four pace bowlers against India

    With the luxury of having four pace bowlers in decent form and the inclusion of a promising pace bowling all-rounder by the Pakistani selectors, the team management would be making a fatal error by not having four pace options in the side that faces India in the Champions Trophy.

    When you look at names like Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Fhoni and Yuvraj and are asked to list the bowlers who have managed to get on top of these wonderful ODI batsmen, the names that will be thrown around will almost always be of pace bowlers, not spinners. When you limit the search criteria to matches that were played outside Asia, this is only compunded.

    So even though, Shadab Khan is the flavor of the month and Pakistan fans, whether they know it or not, are missing Saeed Ajmal and trying to find a spinner of similar quality, the team would be much better served with four pace bowlers leading the charge and ably supported by Imad Wasim, rather than playing two spinners against a side that has built a fearsome reputation against the slower bowlers.

    Pakistan's bowling attack against India (and Sri Lanka because everything I said here holds true in their case as well):

    Amir - ace.
    Junaid - opening bowler.
    Hassan - first change.
    Riaz - the primary option at the death.
    Wasim - the defensive spinner.
    Malik/Hafeez - backup spin options.


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    Riaz will be a liability, he will concede 100+ runs against India, he's a spray gun


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Yes he should play all the group games. His batting is very underrated here. I have a feeling that he will play atleast one match winning innings. My line up will be.

    1 Hafeez
    2 Azhar
    3 Babar
    4 Sarfaraz
    5 Malik
    6 Umar
    7 Shadab
    8 Hassan
    9 Amir
    10 Wahab
    11 Junaid
    y play the dud @ 6... might as well ask junaid khan to bat at 6 rather having the dud there.

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    shadab needs to play... no point hidding a player of teams .... he has to learn to be good against the best, if indians are the best , which is def not the case....

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    100%. Pakistan need to surprise India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Play him and utilise his batting as much as possible.
    Please merge the thread I created with this one. I did not see this before it was recently bumped.

    On topic, playing both Shadab and Imad would be shooting ourselves in the foot. We have a good pace attack and that is what the Indians and Sri Lankans will not want to come up against. We should play four pacers and save Shadab for the semi-finals which will likely be against one of Australia or England.


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    pakistan should play

    Hassan , Aamir , Fahim as seaming options.

    Pakistan made huge mistake by not playing Sohail Khan , he was good with new ball , plus would have added batting depth.

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    Ill play him, yasir shah's gamble failed because shah is one dimensional player and shadab is a smart cookie. My money is on shadab to take kohli back to delhi

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChinMusic View Post
    y play the dud @ 6... might as well ask junaid khan to bat at 6 rather having the dud there.
    He is among few players in the squad who can clear the inner circle against fast bowlers in depth overs . Rest of them do not even have that ability. So have to play him .

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    Wahab at the death. Lol India will take him apart.

    If your going to play a 4 man pace attack may as well play Fahim, he offers something with the bat as well.

    Personally I would play 2 spinners and 3 pacers. India may not want to play 4 fast bowlers but they wouldn't mind facing Wahab and Junaid.

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    Hard to fit in all three of Hafeez, Imad, and Shadab in one team that is going to play in England. These are just too many spin options considering that Malik can bowl too.

    I will play Imad in Shadab's place as he had a very good English tour last time. Hafeez is undroppable so there is no point of even discussing Shadab's utility over Hafeez.

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    He should play.Amir,Hasan Ali and Junaid should be our quicks and Shadab,Imad and Hafeez can be our spin options.
    This is the best possible XI,IMO:

    Azhar
    Fakhar
    Babar
    Hafeez
    Malik
    Sarfraz
    Imad
    Shadab
    Amir
    Hasan
    Junaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sl-fan-of-pak View Post
    Shadab has to be accomodated at the cost of Fahim Ashraf or Hafeez. This would be a superb combo. With so much of variety and sufficient fire power lower down the order.

    I hope Mickey Arthur tries this..

    1. Azhar Ali / Ahmed Shehzad
    2. Fakhar Zaman / Umar Akmal
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Sarfraz Ahamed
    5. Shoaib Malik
    6. Fahim Ashraf / Mohammad Hafeez
    7. Imad Wasim
    8. Shadab Khan
    9. Wahab Riaz / Junaid Khan
    10. Mohammad Amir
    11. Hasan Ali
    I like this line-up just remove umar akmal

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    He will be a better option than Junaid I think. He's definitely a better batter than him and so will add value with the bat atleast. Aamir/Hassan/Wahab will have to do the primary damage though.


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    The Indians struggle vs off spin. Shadab will likely do either really well or get mullered....prolly the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    He is among few players in the squad who can clear the inner circle against fast bowlers in depth overs . Rest of them do not even have that ability. So have to play him .
    play 1 good shot, then play a brainless stupid shot and get out, put pressure on the team and then leave the field making a face like "i didint do it, the devil made me do it" .... no thank u .. would honestly play hassan ali in his place..atleast hassan ali uses some brain while he is batting...

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    Azhar Ali.
    Fakhar Zaman.
    Babar Azam.
    Shoaib Malik.
    Sarfaraz Ahmad.
    Umar Akmal.
    Shadab Khan.
    Imad Wasim.
    Mohammad Amir.
    Hassan Ali.
    Wahab Riaz.

    I wouldn't have played Riaz, but he steps up at the big level. Our left handers have a knack of playing well against India so I hope Fakhar does the same.

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    Shadab will be trump card against India because of his cunny variations unlike Yasir Shah. I can see him getting few wickets off his googlies against India.

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    I would like to see him during power play or with the new ball

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    It is risky against India but what other options do we have? He and Imad both should be in our stating line up.

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    pak must play shadab

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetSmart View Post
    I like this line-up just remove umar akmal
    Thank you. Your wish seems to have been granted, UA has failed the fitness test YET AGAIN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fazleefridi View Post
    Shadab is a good find. But, still finding his feat in ODIs. India and Sri lanka, play spin well. Also England is not a good place for a spinner to bowl. Especially for a leg spinner, who is a rookie.

    Above all, bowling at a big stage, might make him nervous.

    Would you play him against Ind and Sl?
    Now I have heard it all. Why shield a talent like Shadab? So what if Ind are good against spin? How else will he learn & develop?

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    Surely he plays.


    Now that you feel it, you don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    Now I have heard it all. Why shield a talent like Shadab? So what if Ind are good against spin? How else will he learn & develop?
    I said it right. Even team management has the same idea, as mine. It's not good to play him against IND and SRL, and it's rubbish to include him in the squad just for one match against SA. Even Africans, play spin well.

    Hope this helps


    The team management has also asked for pacer Mohammad Abbas’ inclusion in the squad in place of young leg-spinner Shadab Khan.

    Abbas produced impressive performances in the recent Test series against West Indies, claiming 15 wickets in three matches at an average of less than 20.

    The changes to the final squad are unlikely to need ratification from the ICC as according to tournament rules, teams are allowed to tweak their squads until May 24.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1415571...mpions-trophy/
    Last edited by fazleefridi; 21st May 2017 at 18:05.

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    No, he does not have the game yet to exceed in 50 overs cricket as was seen after he was drafted into the ODI series in WI.

    He's yet to play much 50 overs cricket domestically to get used to bowling 10 overs in a game and how to use his variations, speed and angles.

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    As expected, about to be dropped fromthe squad.

    No use, to keep him, just to play against RSA.

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    Is Abbas really being preferred over Shady?!?!?

    This senior mentality is killing us.


    Thank You Inzi

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    How can a seamer replace a leg spinner?

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