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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Is Abbas really being preferred over Shady?!?!?

    This senior mentality is killing us.


    Thank You Inzi
    how is it senior mentality? both debuted a few months ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by fazleefridi View Post
    Shadab is a good find. But, still finding his feat in ODIs. India and Sri lanka, play spin well. Also England is not a good place for a spinner to bowl. Especially for a leg spinner, who is a rookie.

    Above all, bowling at a big stage, might make him nervous.

    Would you play him against Ind and Sl?
    As expected, good thought by the management to replace him with Abbas.

    He wouldn't be much of a threat, against INDIA and SRL. And it would be ridiculous, to keep him in tje squad for just one match against SA.

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    Looks like the Abbas for Shadab reports are false...https://mobile.twitter.com/ZAbbasOff...48908120875008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Is Abbas really being preferred over Shady?!?!?

    This senior mentality is killing us.


    Thank You Inzi
    How is he a senior, to Shadab?

    Analytically, Shadab is a senior, to Abbas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady View Post
    Looks like the Abbas for Shadab reports are false...https://mobile.twitter.com/ZAbbasOff...48908120875008
    Sigh of relief

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    Edgbaston does nothing for spin, we aren't playing at The Oval but Cardiff is the most spin-friendly venue in the UK so there you'd want to play both Shadab and Imad.

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    Shadab is a better spinner than Imad and has taken more wickets than him in recent times. If a spinnerhas to sit out it should be Imad.

    We need atleast 1 wicket taking spinner.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by sl-fan-of-pak View Post
    Thank you. Your wish seems to have been granted, UA has failed the fitness test YET AGAIN.
    Hahahahahhaahah it was truly from heart thank you Mickey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    How can a seamer replace a leg spinner?
    Because we are playing in England

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    Quote Originally Posted by SM1989 View Post
    Because we are playing in England
    No, we need a quality leg spinner in England.

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    Shadab should play. Abbas will be a failure in white ball cricket.

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    Worst zone has been middle overs when team hasn't been able to take enough wickets.

    From overs 10-40 I would rather have Shadab 3/70 than Hafeez/Malik 0/40 off 10.

    I just hope that Sarfaraz continue to use Imad with new ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    Worst zone has been middle overs when team hasn't been able to take enough wickets.

    From overs 10-40 I would rather have Shadab 3/70 than Hafeez/Malik 0/40 off 10.

    I just hope that Sarfaraz continue to use Imad with new ball.
    Opening the bowling with a left-arm spinner in England is a terrible idea. We have four pace bowlers and a pace-bowling all-rounder. I simply do not understand the logic behind some of you guys still being wimps and wanting to have a spin-centric attack.

    Really hope Sarfaraz makes the bold decision of playing just the one spinner and using the part-timers, if the English pitches suddenly start turning square.


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    Pakistan should play bowlers according to surface. Imad darting bowling can be useful on certain surface.

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    He can bat and bowl. Shouldn't be cowards over playing our best talent.

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    Abbass should replace Junaid

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    Play Shadab, definitely he LL do better , btw Indians aren't good at playing spin, Lois especially

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    Shady needs to play, along with Maddy / Juni /Amir and Hassan......Need the boys to be fired up as much as they can and then sledge the bhartis !!!!

    Plus I believe all of them wear the customary swagger filled neck chain that is essentially needed to bring back our 90s dominating style of play.....

    Enough of this Acha Bacha Nonsense....

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    Concerned about Shadab.

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    Never judge a spinner based on his performance against West Indies. West Indian players r atrocious against spin.

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    Fahim competing with Shadab.

    From the press conference it looked Fahim would be playing against INDIA

    But he would be playing as a 4th seamer.

    Either Imad or Shadab has to play. Imad would be preferred, as Mickey rates him highly and his batting is proven in England.

    Good that Shadab would be benched against India.

    It would be like this

    7.Imad
    8.Fahim
    9.Hasan
    10.Amir
    11.Junaid.

    Hafeez is a sure starter. So, he might be the 6th bowler and the second spinner.

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    Both Fahim and Imad have outperformed him with their batting. I don't think he will get a game in CT.

    Hafeez, Imad, Malik are sufficient spin bowling options in England and all 3 can bat better.

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    Of course he should play. He took Imrul's and Tamim's match changing wickets when they were going easily and 375 was on the cards.

    He is the only wicket taker in our side. Hasan and Amir takes wickets at the death. You need someone to take wickets in the middle overs. Shady is the man.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    I would play him . Imads darts are predictable.

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    Dont really understand the point of not playing him he was the one who provided vital breakthroughs for us today and under pressure

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    Shadab should, Imad should not

    Azhar
    Shehzad
    Babar
    Hafeez
    Malik
    Sarfraz
    Fahim Ashraf
    Shadab
    Hasan Ali
    Amir
    Junaid


    Pakistan fan from Bangladesh.

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    Thos deliveries to babar azam tho

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    the Pakistani teams of the 90s would routinely throw in young, talented and inexperienced players in big games, and those players turned into some of the best we've ever produced

    Shadab is very talented, and dominated the WI. He absolutely must play .. stars are made in big tournaments against tough opposition's

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Shadab is a better spinner than Imad and has taken more wickets than him in recent times. If a spinnerhas to sit out it should be Imad.

    We need atleast 1 wicket taking spinner.
    Imad does well in first few games against sides that haven't faced him.
    I'm thinking risk it
    1 Fakhar
    2 hafeez
    3 babar
    4 malik
    5 sarfaraz
    6 shadab
    7 imad
    8 fahim
    9 hasan
    10 amir
    11 junaid

    So one of imad shadab fahim will not play for the other opener and hafeez would drop to 4.
    But is Azhar or shahzad really gonna deliver at a good enough rate. They may score a 40 off 60 but is that good?
    I'm taking the risk going with the options. U never know shadab may land the first couple of googlies.
    We need imad for reason stated above. And we need hafeez the bowler in case the imad shadab fahim combo doesn't work wuth the ball as it could. Fahim has to be in after that hitting show, especially if he follows it up with a 30 (16) type effort 2maw


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadida97 View Post


    Thos deliveries to babar azam tho
    I liked the way Ian Bishop said "Shadab 'Superstar' Khan".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    Imad does well in first few games against sides that haven't faced him.
    I'm thinking risk it
    1 Fakhar
    2 hafeez
    3 babar
    4 malik
    5 sarfaraz
    6 shadab
    7 imad
    8 fahim
    9 hasan
    10 amir
    11 junaid

    So one of imad shadab fahim will not play for the other opener and hafeez would drop to 4.
    But is Azhar or shahzad really gonna deliver at a good enough rate. They may score a 40 off 60 but is that good?
    I'm taking the risk going with the options. U never know shadab may land the first couple of googlies.
    We need imad for reason stated above. And we need hafeez the bowler in case the imad shadab fahim combo doesn't work wuth the ball as it could. Fahim has to be in after that hitting show, especially if he follows it up with a 30 (16) type effort 2maw
    I will play Shady, Maddy and Fahim all unless the conditions are excellent for pacers. Fahim brings more value to side than Junaid and Wahab.

    Azhar , Shehzad and Hafeez are the biggest problems.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    I will play Shady, Maddy and Fahim all unless the conditions are excellent for pacers. Fahim brings more value to side than Junaid and Wahab.

    Azhar , Shehzad and Hafeez are the biggest problems.
    Fahim can't be the 3rd seamer. We need more especially if conditions are like 2day


    If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you always got #improve

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    Looked more potent than Imad Wasim in the one practice game so far and Bangla
    are good players of spin. Always good to evaluate performance on the big stage,
    and the CT is at least not the World Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    Looked more potent than Imad Wasim in the one practice game so far and Bangla
    are good players of spin. Always good to evaluate performance on the big stage,
    and the CT is at least not the World Cup.
    Bowling wise, Shadab is a lot more threatening. However batting wise Imad is far superior. I hear a lot of 'Shadab is a natural with the bat' but no such innings have manifested on the international stage.
    Then again, Fahim isn't good enough to be the 3rd seamer.

    I wouldn't say it's a 'good' problem to have, since you'll get complaints if x y z don't play vs India, but none have really been a standout performer with both bat and ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    Bowling wise, Shadab is a lot more threatening. However batting wise Imad is far superior. I hear a lot of 'Shadab is a natural with the bat' but no such innings have manifested on the international stage.
    Then again, Fahim isn't good enough to be the 3rd seamer.

    I wouldn't say it's a 'good' problem to have, since you'll get complaints if x y z don't play vs India, but none have really been a standout performer with both bat and ball
    How many opportunities has Shadab had with the bat at the international stage?

    If you watched him in the U-19 WC you'd know that he's a natural batsman.

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    Big decision to be made, on 4th june.

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    Chances are slim now according to reports :'(


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Chances are slim now according to reports :'(
    I think Mickey would be tempted to go with Fahim

    7.Imad
    8.Fahim
    9.Amir
    10.Hassan
    11.Junaid

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    Quote Originally Posted by fazleefridi View Post
    I think Mickey would be tempted to go with Fahim

    7.Imad
    8.Fahim
    9.Amir
    10.Hassan
    11.Junaid
    han yar yehi lag ra hai but is mai to koi wicket taker nai middle overs mai


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    amongst the misery, we forgot that Shadab didn't do badly at all, had a catch dropped, Mr AGRESSIVE leaking runs and was bowling with a wet ball against the world's best players of spin yet came out okay.

    Probably the only player in the team who could walk with his head held up


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    The best player on show yesterday. Players like Shadab , Babar , Haris give me hope to follow Pak cricket.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    one wicket he got was going for a six, that was a lucky wicket

    was not much threatening to be honest as well

    his short balls went for six i think it was the first six of the match

    did decent to contain the runs

    was very similar to imad wasim
    Last edited by Macho Mann; 5th June 2017 at 20:54.

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    doesnt seem to be long term solution for the team, i just wanted to add

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    Shadab is automatic selection. Problem lies in the batting...from the fodder left one can safely increase batting depth
    Fakhar
    Azhar
    Babar
    Malik
    Harris
    Hafeez
    Sarfaraz
    Fahim
    Shadab
    Amir
    Hassan Ali
    .....Sacrificing Junaid ...can't see him fitting in the squad due to batting woes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macho Mann View Post
    doesnt seem to be long term solution for the team, i just wanted to add
    he is 18, relax

    the signs have been positive from him thus far


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    Should have had 2 wickets. He will become world class for sure.

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    I can not predict the future but the lot that played against India he was the best bowling with wet ball and showed good control.

    He got a good future only if we keep him playing. Immad is a limited player only suited for subcontinent or may be in Australia. but nothing more its about time we consider Shadab as our number 1 spin bowler in one day game and keep immad as a third option or for T 20.

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    I liked him. Not in the same league as Rashid, Tahir or Keshav, but should do well for Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    I liked him. Not in the same league as Rashid, Tahir or Keshav, but should do well for Pakistan.
    But keep in mind he's also a more than capable batsman. A top 6 bat. He's that good.

    Fantastic fielder as well.

    Hopefully in a couple year's time, we'll all be willing to have Shadab over Rashid/Tahir/Keshav due to the overall package Shadab provides us with.
    Last edited by Square Drive; 6th June 2017 at 08:57.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    I liked him. Not in the same league as Rashid, Tahir or Keshav, but should do well for Pakistan.
    Which rashid are u talking about?

    Shadab will become better than all of them anyway. He was bowling with a wet ball to players who take pride in calling themselves as best players of spin. Yuvraj's straight forward catch was dropped off his bowling as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Which rashid are u talking about?

    Shadab will become better than all of them anyway. He was bowling with a wet ball to players who take pride in calling themselves as best players of spin. Yuvraj's straight forward catch was dropped off his bowling as well.
    The Afgan Rashid. As for Indians being the best against spin, you only hear this from commies who haven't done their homework. We have been poor against spin for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    The Afgan Rashid. As for Indians being the best against spin, you only hear this from commies who haven't done their homework. We have been poor against spin for a while now.
    I think Indians are mediocre against spin in tests but not in LOIs with the flat pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macho Mann View Post
    one wicket he got was going for a six, that was a lucky wicket

    was not much threatening to be honest as well

    his short balls went for six i think it was the first six of the match

    did decent to contain the runs

    was very similar to imad wasim
    The only batsman after Dhawan who got after him was Yuvi who was dropped sitter by Hassan. Rohit and Kohli and Yuvi are world class players of spin and Shadab didn't let them free their arms. It takes some doing.

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    Needs to improve his control but as mentioned above, arguably the only player who can hold his head up high after that debacle.

    Not easy bowling with a wet ball and on a very flat deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coy0607 View Post
    the Pakistani teams of the 90s would routinely throw in young, talented and inexperienced players in big games, and those players turned into some of the best we've ever produced

    Shadab is very talented, and dominated the WI. He absolutely must play .. stars are made in big tournaments against tough opposition's
    This is a myth. For every special talent like razzaq (and even him) Pakistan's inability to develop and polish players meant that any young talent was destroyed after 1 or 2 years and then settled into mediocrity. Think of afridi, farhats, imran nazir, hasan raza etc etc

    Btw who in the early 90's can you think of apart from inzi and Yousuf?

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    Shadab is a good prospect but just bowls one or two garbage balls per over. Has to be captained well if he is used as a wicket taker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    The Afgan Rashid. As for Indians being the best against spin, you only hear this from commies who haven't done their homework. We have been poor against spin for a while now.
    The Indians have been poor against finger spinners in the recent past, the leg spinners have rarely troubled India, and on flat pitches in ODIs, even the finger spinner won't cause much issues to Indian batsmen

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    Indians were batting with caution till about 37th over, and so Shadab Khan benefitted and he did not go for too many runs. His one wicket was a lucky wicket. He could have got the wicket of Yuvraj Singh, but that would not have made much difference at that stage.

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    In fact the Afghan leg break bowler Rashid Khan appears a much better prospect to me than Shadab Khan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    The only batsman after Dhawan who got after him was Yuvi who was dropped sitter by Hassan. Rohit and Kohli and Yuvi are world class players of spin and Shadab didn't let them free their arms. It takes some doing.
    all are currently not in form

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarecut View Post
    Indians were batting with caution till about 37th over, and so Shadab Khan benefitted and he did not go for too many runs. His one wicket was a lucky wicket. He could have got the wicket of Yuvraj Singh, but that would not have made much difference at that stage.
    Yes it would have. Yuvi hadn't started hitting when he skied it and Yuvi's innings provided breathing space for Kohli to take his time who was struggling during that time.

    In any case the runs on the board were already too much for our batsmen when Yuvi was dropped so its a moot point.


    However, Shadab is the only Pakistani player who appeared to be playing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macho Mann View Post
    all are currently not in form
    yet they scored heavily against us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    yet they scored heavily against us.
    they scored due to drop catches and poor death bowling due to inexperienced players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    I liked him. Not in the same league as Rashid, Tahir or Keshav, but should do well for Pakistan.

    Shadab will be better than Rashid

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    Good decision to drop Shadab

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    Pathetic decision to drop Shadab Khan. I would have loved to have Fahim in the side but never at the cost of Shadab. Hafeez was the man to replace him with.

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    Stupid decision to include an untested bowler Fahim Ashraf in a KO match over Shadab Khan who has bowled pretty well till now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Pathetic decision to drop Shadab Khan. I would have loved to have Fahim in the side but never at the cost of Shadab. Hafeez was the man to replace him with.
    Drop a batsman for a bowler?

    You drop a bowler for a bowler and doubt the wicket will assist shadab so don't see what's all the outrage about.


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    Haha, this decision once again proves idiotic this management is.

    Sri Lankans are awful players of leg spin, EVERYBODY knows that, look at what Tahir managed to do couple days ago against the Lankans.

    That dents Pakistans chance in this match now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khalil1986 View Post
    Drop a batsman for a bowler?

    You drop a bowler for a bowler and doubt the wicket will assist shadab so don't see what's all the outrage about.
    Since when Hafeez became a batsman?
    He is a railukatta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalil1986 View Post
    Drop a batsman for a bowler?

    You drop a bowler for a bowler and doubt the wicket will assist shadab so don't see what's all the outrage about.
    I can bet that Fahim Ashraf is 10 times the batsman Hafeez is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I can bet that Fahim Ashraf is 10 times the batsman Hafeez is.
    Sure he is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CricFan2012 View Post
    Haha, this decision once again proves are ****ing idiotic this management is.

    Sri Lankans are awful players of leg spin, EVERYBODY knows that, look at what Tahir managed to do couple days ago against the Lankans.

    That dents Pakistans chance in this match now.
    Either one of Azhar or Hafeez should have been swapped out for Faheem; ideally both should have been dropped and a place given to Haris..

    To drop Shadab instead is just awful. He is at least as useful as a batsman as either of these jokers. Awful awful tactics by management, and Sarfraz has to take responsibility surely.

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    What a waste.

    Hafeez has been picked over him for his tuktuks

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