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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    And the winner for the joke of the day is you mate. The Pakistan fans donít rate Faheem too highly, we know he is a decent limited overs bowler who needs to prove his metal in batting and also in test matches, but to see Faheem being called a trundler by a Pandya fan could possibly be the most silly thing I heard on this forum for weeks.
    Before you call someone a joke please check your facts first:

    1. It seems you've been stuck in a cave then if that's what you believe. Faheem is the most overrated player on PP by a country mile.

    2. I'm not a Pandya fan, I'm a Pakistan fan who acknowledges good cricket unlike the hype circle like yourself. But yes, hypothetically if I had the chance to swap Faheem with Pandya, I would do it in a heartbeat because our batting would improve. Don't need a 4th seamer who happens to be a trundler when the frontline trio of the pace attack are good enough.

    3. It also appears you haven't watched enough cricket because Pandya has hit 90mph on multiple occasions including the CT final. Faheem hasn't hit 90mph even in T10 or T20 and seldomly hits 140. His normal pace is 130 - 136, so he is a medium pace aka trundler. Simple logic!

    Come back to me when you've done your homework like a good school kid "mate".

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Before you call someone a joke please check your facts first:

    1. It seems you've been stuck in a cave then if that's what you believe. Faheem is the most overrated player on PP by a country mile.

    2. I'm not a Pandya fan, I'm a Pakistan fan who acknowledges good cricket unlike the hype circle like yourself. But yes, hypothetically if I had the chance to swap Faheem with Pandya, I would do it in a heartbeat because our batting would improve. Don't need a 4th seamer who happens to be a trundler when the frontline trio of the pace attack are good enough.

    3. It also appears you haven't watched enough cricket because Pandya has hit 90mph on multiple occasions including the CT final. Faheem hasn't hit 90mph even in T10 or T20 and seldomly hits 140. His normal pace is 130 - 136, so he is a medium pace aka trundler. Simple logic!

    Come back to me when you've done your homework like a good school kid "mate".
    I doubt any other Pakistan fan would want this kachra player anywhere near our team. I won't swap him even for Mohammad Nawaz at the moment. Heck, I won't swap him even for the maalish karne wala bhai in the Pakistan team

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    His normal pace is 130 - 136, so he is a medium pace aka trundler. Simple logic!

    Come back to me when you've done your homework like a good school kid "mate".
    Listen kid, you were probably not born in 92 when I was watching the team win the glory, a bowler who bowls 130-136 is not a trundler, a bowler who has a trundler mentality is trundler. There are many 130-136 bowlers in the history of the game who I would happily swap with 140-145 bowlers. Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I doubt any other Pakistan fan would want this kachra player anywhere near our team. I won't swap him even for Mohammad Nawaz at the moment. Heck, I won't swap him even for the maalish karne wala bhai in the Pakistan team
    Hardik Pandya would walk into Pakistan's LOI sides as a batsman alone. He is the best middle to late order hitter in Asia.

    Before you suggest Asif Ali - his only knock of note was his 37* off 18 balls against Australia since he has only been around for 4 months and hasn't played much against decent opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Listen kid, you were probably not born in 92 when I was watching the team win the glory, a bowler who bowls 130-136 is not a trundler, a bowler who has a trundler mentality is trundler. There are many 130-136 bowlers in the history of the game who I would happily swap with 140-145 bowlers. Hope this helps!
    If they have the skills and height such as Mcgrath and Asif then yes but Faheem possesses neither of these physical or technical attributes to his game. You might be older than me but I've watched the game for 20 years to know what I'm talking about mate. Hope that helps!
    Last edited by topspin; 10th August 2018 at 21:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Hardik Pandya would walk into Pakistan's LOI sides as a batsman alone.
    OMG, do you realise you may have just posted the most bumpable post in the history of Pakpassion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Hardik Pandya would walk into Pakistan's LOI sides as a batsman alone. He is the best middle to late order hitter in Asia.

    Before you suggest Asif Ali - his only knock of note was his 37* off 18 balls against Australia since he has only been around for 4 months and hasn't played much against decent opposition.
    Check his averages in the England and South Africa ODI series. I donít need to bring up anyone else to prove Hardik Pandya is a rubbish player in all formats of the game.

    Well, maybe not IPL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    OMG, do you realise you may have just posted the most bumpable post in the history of Pakpassion..
    Would be happy to be proven wrong if Asif Ali reaches his potential but for now the best lower order hitter in Asia is currently Hardik Pandya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Hardik Pandya would walk into Pakistan's LOI sides as a batsman alone. He is the best middle to late order hitter in Asia.

    Before you suggest Asif Ali - his only knock of note was his 37* off 18 balls against Australia since he has only been around for 4 months and hasn't played much against decent opposition.
    And fahim will walk into the indian side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Check his averages in the England and South Africa ODI series. I don’t need to bring up anyone else to prove Hardik Pandya is a rubbish player in all formats of the game.

    Well, maybe not IPL...
    If Faheem Ashraf can match the same averages and SRs after the same number of games, I would be a happy Pakistan fan.

    Pandya has made a decent start to his test career and made an excellent 90 odd in SA in which he truly deserved to score a ton against the best pace bowling attack in the toughest conditions to face pace. Now let that sink in.

    In ODIs and T20Is he's been inconsistent but his SR is excellent. Stokes was also quite inconsistent in LOIs and look where he is now.

    If you don't rate him fair enough but don't pretend he's accomplished nothing with the bat like Faheem has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    And fahim will walk into the indian side.
    As a batsman or bowler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Before you call someone a joke please check your facts first:

    1. It seems you've been stuck in a cave then if that's what you believe. Faheem is the most overrated player on PP by a country mile.

    2. I'm not a Pandya fan, I'm a Pakistan fan who acknowledges good cricket unlike the hype circle like yourself. But yes, hypothetically if I had the chance to swap Faheem with Pandya, I would do it in a heartbeat because our batting would improve. Don't need a 4th seamer who happens to be a trundler when the frontline trio of the pace attack are good enough.

    3. It also appears you haven't watched enough cricket because Pandya has hit 90mph on multiple occasions including the CT final. Faheem hasn't hit 90mph even in T10 or T20 and seldomly hits 140. His normal pace is 130 - 136, so he is a medium pace aka trundler. Simple logic!

    Come back to me when you've done your homework like a good school kid "mate".
    This post sums up your understanding of modern cricket. You need 5 solid bowling options in all formats. No team will play 4 specialist fast bowlers, that makes the tail very long. Faheem is at least good enough to play as 4th seamer. What is Pandya's role in the team? Can't bat and can't bowl. To this date, he has played only one inning of note in SA and that too when he was dropped. He feasted on Shadab and Fakhar in CT final when the game was already lost. Even Aamer has played similar inning against England. The Australian attack he faced was B-grade without Starc and Hazlewood. SL is not even a strong bowling team.

    Faheem "trundler" Ashraf averages in 20s in FC and List A. Phaast bowler, Pandya averages almost 40 in FC and List A. No wonder, Faheem has been brilliant with ball in international cricket, whereas Pandya, the bowler, does not even have the trust of his own captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If Faheem Ashraf can match the same averages and SRs after the same number of games, I would be a happy Pakistan fan.

    Pandya has made a decent start to his test career and made an excellent 90 odd in SA in which he truly deserved to score a ton against the best pace bowling attack in the toughest conditions to face pace. Now let that sink in.

    In ODIs and T20Is he's been inconsistent but his SR is excellent. Stokes was also quite inconsistent in LOIs and look where he is now.

    If you don't rate him fair enough but don't pretend he's accomplished nothing with the bat like Faheem has.
    Still averaged 19..83 with bat and 54.00 with ball (in the same toughest conditions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    This post sums up your understanding of modern cricket. You need 5 solid bowling options in all formats. No team will play 4 specialist fast bowlers, that makes the tail very long. Faheem is at least good enough to play as 4th seamer. What is Pandya's role in the team? Can't bat and can't bowl. To this date, he has played only one inning of note in SA and that too when he was dropped. He feasted on Shadab and Fakhar in CT final when the game was already lost. Even Aamer has played similar inning against England. The Australian attack he faced was B-grade without Starc and Hazlewood. SL is not even a strong bowling team.

    Faheem "trundler" Ashraf averages in 20s in FC and List A. Phaast bowler, Pandya averages almost 40 in FC and List A. No wonder, Faheem has been brilliant with ball in international cricket, whereas Pandya, the bowler, does not even have the trust of his own captain.
    With the greatest of respect wasn't it you who falsely claimed the following:

    1. Kohli's biggest game was the CT final
    2. Kohli got out twice against India in the same
    3. Compared Kohli's batting abilities with Sarfraz

    You had to be corrected and ridiculed by 3 posters including myself and an admin, so before you try to act like you're the most knowledgeable poster on PP - I will kindly advise that this will backfire spectacularly.
    Last edited by topspin; 10th August 2018 at 22:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I doubt any other Pakistan fan would want this kachra player anywhere near our team. I won't swap him even for Mohammad Nawaz at the moment. Heck, I won't swap him even for the maalish karne wala bhai in the Pakistan team
    You are underestimating him. He is having a dip in form.
    11 Pandyas can easily defeat Pakistan or any other team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    And fahim will walk into the indian side.
    If they play Zimbabwe day in day out, yes he will. I have a huuuge soft spot for Faheem and think both he and shahdab are gonna do great things for Pakistan cricket across all formats, but it’s just too difficult to compare pandya with faheem. Pakistan just doesn’t get to play the big boys as often as the Indian players.
    I would rather say that Azhar Ali, and Shafiq can walk in to this test line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If Faheem Ashraf can match the same averages and SRs after the same number of games, I would be a happy Pakistan fan.

    Pandya has made a decent start to his test career and made an excellent 90 odd in SA in which he truly deserved to score a ton against the best pace bowling attack in the toughest conditions to face pace. Now let that sink in.

    In ODIs and T20Is he's been inconsistent but his SR is excellent. Stokes was also quite inconsistent in LOIs and look where he is now.

    If you don't rate him fair enough but don't pretend he's accomplished nothing with the bat like Faheem has.
    I havenít said a thing about Faheem Ashraf so far, so you are off there by a country mile. Pandya has had a few good knocks in his career, but has gone missing more often than not. Lately he has been shocking with the bat, not just rubbish. Remove that 90, and watch his average nose-dive in that same SAF series. Absolute disaster in the ODI series. Worse than a disaster so far on the England tour. And this is his strongest suit that I have had a chance to complete rip apart ruthlessly. His batting is going from bad to worse.

    My gripe is Pandya being called an all-rounder. My other gripe is Pandya being called one of the best all-rounders in world cricket. Has cricket become so lame that no-hopers like Pandya are good enough to be called all-rounders? Just because you can bowl filth at Ď90 mphí (a speed I personally havenít seen him bowl at so far), you are suddenly an all-rounder? His bowling is so bad, Sohail Tanvir on one leg would bowl better than him. Tendulkar, Ganguly and Sehwag were better bowlers than this joke, no one even considers them as Ďall-roundersí.

    Yes I donít rate him and having watched him play for a consistent period of time, donít believe he is an international class all-rounder. Iím quite certain Pandya wonít survive this five match test series as a test cricketer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    With the greatest of respect wasn't it you who falsely claimed the following:

    1. Kohli's biggest game was the CT final
    2. Kohli got out twice against India in the same
    3. Compared Kohli's batting abilities with Sarfraz

    You had to be corrected and ridiculed by 3 posters including myself and an admin, so before you try to act like you're the most knowledgeable poster on PP - I will kindly advise that this will backfire spectacularly.
    1. First final as captain and the greatest batsman in the world against arch rivals - watched by more people than the 2015 WC semi-final against Australia
    2. Got out twice is an expression. Anyone above the age of 10 should know what it implies.
    3. Never compared Sarfraz's batting with Kohli's. That's a lie. I highlighted the double standards that how Sarfraz is bashed for every single thing but Kohli;s gets away with any flaw, be it poor captaincy or choking in tournament finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I haven’t said a thing about Faheem Ashraf so far, so you are off there by a country mile. Pandya has had a few good knocks in his career, but has gone missing more often than not. Lately he has been shocking with the bat, not just rubbish. Remove that 90, and watch his average nose-dive in that same SAF series. Absolute disaster in the ODI series. Worse than a disaster so far on the England tour. And this is his strongest suit that I have had a chance to complete rip apart ruthlessly. His batting is going from bad to worse.

    My gripe is Pandya being called an all-rounder. My other gripe is Pandya being called one of the best all-rounders in world cricket. Has cricket become so lame that no-hopers like Pandya are good enough to be called all-rounders? Just because you can bowl filth at ‘90 mph’ (a speed I personally haven’t seen him bowl at so far), you are suddenly an all-rounder? His bowling is so bad, Sohail Tanvir on one leg would bowl better than him. Tendulkar, Ganguly and Sehwag were better bowlers than this joke, no one even considers them as ‘all-rounders’.

    Yes I don’t rate him and having watched him play for a consistent period of time, don’t believe he is an international class all-rounder. I’m quite certain Pandya won’t survive this five match test series as a test cricketer.
    There are some overhyped IPL fans who on other forums and social media platforms who have made some outrageous claims such as associating his calibre with the likes of Sobers but these type of fans should never be taken seriously.

    I think the excessive hype comes from that Bangladesh game in the 2016 WT20 where he defended 3 runs or something in that final over and the fact that Indian bowlers historically haven't been blessed with pace.

    I do think his bowling can improve with the right guidance he has potential to be a handy 4th seamer with his pace - we saw glimpses of it also in the CT final when Pakistan batsmen were making the other bowlers toil.

    Stokes didn't have great looking stats at the same stage of his career and I still remember many of the posters at the time didn't see him fit to play for England.

    Ganguly knows talent when he sees one and if you've read what he said recently about Pandya, he rates him highly.

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    Pandya will walk into Pakistani team with his batting average of 20 (with dropped catches) and bowling average of 69 (in extremely bowling friendly conditions of SA and England). Delusion has no cure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I havenít said a thing about Faheem Ashraf so far, so you are off there by a country mile. Pandya has had a few good knocks in his career, but has gone missing more often than not. Lately he has been shocking with the bat, not just rubbish. Remove that 90, and watch his average nose-dive in that same SAF series. Absolute disaster in the ODI series. Worse than a disaster so far on the England tour. And this is his strongest suit that I have had a chance to complete rip apart ruthlessly. His batting is going from bad to worse.

    My gripe is Pandya being called an all-rounder. My other gripe is Pandya being called one of the best all-rounders in world cricket. Has cricket become so lame that no-hopers like Pandya are good enough to be called all-rounders? Just because you can bowl filth at Ď90 mphí (a speed I personally havenít seen him bowl at so far), you are suddenly an all-rounder? His bowling is so bad, Sohail Tanvir on one leg would bowl better than him. Tendulkar, Ganguly and Sehwag were better bowlers than this joke, no one even considers them as Ďall-roundersí.

    Yes I donít rate him and having watched him play for a consistent period of time, donít believe he is an international class all-rounder. Iím quite certain Pandya wonít survive this five match test series as a test cricketer.
    Sohail Tanveer on one leg
    Thatís a bit exaggeration yaar, Pandya ainít that bad but he is certainly not the next Kapil Dev.
    He is a useful number 7 provided he can bowl the same quality as Faheem (the so called trundler by topspin).

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    There are some overhyped IPL fans who on other forums and social media platforms who have made some outrageous claims such as associating his calibre with the likes of Sobers but these type of fans should never be taken seriously.

    I think the excessive hype comes from that Bangladesh game in the 2016 WT20 where he defended 3 runs or something in that final over and the fact that Indian bowlers historically haven't been blessed with pace.

    I do think his bowling can improve with the right guidance he has potential to be a handy 4th seamer with his pace - we saw glimpses of it also in the CT final when Pakistan batsmen were making the other bowlers toil.

    Stokes didn't have great looking stats at the same stage of his career and I still remember many of the posters at the time didn't see him fit to play for England.

    Ganguly knows talent when he sees one and if you've read what he said recently about Pandya, he rates him highly.
    Haven't read what Ganguly has said about him, but I'm sure he's not daft enough to back Pandya as an all-rounder. He might have commented on his batting prowess, which all trolling aside, has potential to improve. He should focus on being a batsman rather than something he will never be at international level.

    I don't believe he can ever improve as a bowler. Whenever I have seen him bowl, he has been quite bad to say the least. Last test, Shami, Yadav and Ishant looked threatening all day while Pandya turns up and proceeds to make a joke out of test cricket. If his role is to provide breathing space to these pace bowlers, fair enough. Just don't hammer him down our throats as one of the best all-rounders in world cricket today.

    Stokes is still inconsistent, but he has always looked like a cricketer who could contribute to the team with BOTH bat and ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Sohail Tanveer on one leg
    Thatís a bit exaggeration yaar, Pandya ainít that bad but he is certainly not the next Kapil Dev.
    He is a useful number 7 provided he can bowl the same quality as Faheem (the so called trundler by topspin).
    Nah he will never be as good as Faheem as a bowler

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    Like Ganguly said, Pandya is talented and should without be presisted with. He has the ability and quality to be a real star. Will he be on the level of Stokes? maybe, only time will tell, he will learn under the right guidance and the more he plays the better he will likely get. The same goes for Faheem but he won't be another Stokes cause Ashraf is an bowling allrounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    As a batsman or bowler?
    What do you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    What do you think.
    I think we are on the same page. Faheem will walk into Indian team and Pandya can walk into Pakistan team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    If they play Zimbabwe day in day out, yes he will. I have a huuuge soft spot for Faheem and think both he and shahdab are gonna do great things for Pakistan cricket across all formats, but it’s just too difficult to compare pandya with faheem. Pakistan just doesn’t get to play the big boys as often as the Indian players.
    I would rather say that Azhar Ali, and Shafiq can walk in to this test line up.
    I know. I didnt mean in that way people think pandya will walk in our side as much as I dislike malik,hafeez etc they are still better options then pandya for us.

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    Pandya is going to be very good, and is already better than Faheem. We all enjoy trolling Indians, but saying that Nawaz is better

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    The indians have given up on pandya , so we have a Pakistani defending him to keep this thread going 😂😂

    Keep hearing about this 90 odd pandya scored against the saffas in a losing cause. In that case zulqarnain Haider is the best ever wicketkeeper batsman from asia.

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    I'd actually take Dada's bowling over Pandya, he had the golden arm to break partnerships and kept it quite tight IIRC

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    If we are talking about test matches, First Class (minus test matches) statistics would give us a fair picture

    From 18 innings, Pandya has 24 wickets at average of 35.66 and strike rate of 66. In 27 innings he has scored 746 runs at average of 27.6

    From 60 innings, Faheem has 105 wickets at an average of 26.51 and strike rate of 52. In 50 innings, Faheem has scored runs 1309 at an average of 30.44


    obviously there will be some increased competition at international level and figures will change, but Faheem is a better prospect for Tests then Pandya.

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    Pandya got some roasting today from Holding


    If you want to do things that are certain to succeed, you are doing very obvious thing - E Musk

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    We will have a better idea after Pakistan’s upcoming season. I have really high hopes for Faheem

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Pandya got some roasting today from Holding
    Pandya is getting a roasting from all quarters right now. Rightfully so. Itís time people call out his mediocrity for what it really is. He has been woeful to say the least on two consecutive overseas tours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    We will have a better idea after Pakistanís upcoming season. I have really high hopes for Faheem
    With Faheem, its clear that he is a bowler who can bat. He still and should focus on his bowling to be first choice test allrounder. He will be tested in both Department in SA, that's where we are going to know where he stands...

    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Pandya is getting a roasting from all quarters right now. Rightfully so. Itís time people call out his mediocrity for what it really is. He has been woeful to say the least on two consecutive overseas tours.
    Pandya's bowling is not where it should be to guarantee his place. I am not sure if he is getting that feed back from the management and coaching staff


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Pandya's bowling is not where it should be to guarantee his place. I am not sure if he is getting that feed back from the management and coaching staff
    Its embarrassing for India to play him as a third seamer. Heís not even a Bangladesh-level pace bowler, aur us pe bhi bhai ke bharam khatam nahi hote

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    Wow wow wow Pandya turning it on with the ball.


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    Pandyaaaaaa Pandya . Pandyaaaaaa Pandya

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    I guess Pandya fans deserve something to cheer about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    I guess Pandya fans deserve something to cheer about.
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    We should not be bitter hardik have bowl outstandingly

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    Good performance. Needs to be more consistent.

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    But it have come after 5 to 6 test so he needs to be more consistent

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    Faheem's batting average - (excluding Ireland and Zimbabwe)

    13 in ODIs
    13 in Tests

    How does this guy even qualify to be an allrounder? Even his bowling is as trash if you take out matches against Zimbabwe.

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    OMG..proved us all wrong
    The king of comebacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Faheem's batting average - (excluding Ireland and Zimbabwe)

    13 in ODIs
    13 in Tests

    How does this guy even qualify to be an allrounder? Even his bowling is as trash if you take out matches against Zimbabwe.
    What is the average of Pandya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.shah View Post
    What is the average of Pandya?
    30 in ODIs, 29 in Tests after a lot bigger sample size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    30 in ODIs, 29 in Tests after a lot bigger sample size.
    Pandya has been batting in the middle order as a batsman
    Faheem lower order normally comes in with a couple of overs to bat, been playing as a bowling All-rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    Pandya has been batting in the middle order as a batsman
    Faheem lower order normally comes in with a couple of overs to bat, been playing as a bowling All-rounder.
    Middle order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    Pandya has been batting in the middle order as a batsman
    Faheem lower order normally comes in with a couple of overs to bat, been playing as a bowling All-rounder.
    My question is, what has Faheem done to qualify as an all-rounder?

    Exclude Zimbabwe, and even his bowling average plummets down to 37.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Faheem's batting average - (excluding Ireland and Zimbabwe)

    13 in ODIs
    13 in Tests

    How does this guy even qualify to be an allrounder? Even his bowling is as trash if you take out matches against Zimbabwe.
    This sums up why Faheem is the most overrated cricketer on PP.

    Concerning all rounders, Pakistan fans should switch their attention to Shadab rather than this short trundling tail ender of a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Faheem's batting average - (excluding Ireland and Zimbabwe)

    13 in ODIs
    13 in Tests

    How does this guy even qualify to be an allrounder? Even his bowling is as trash if you take out matches against Zimbabwe.
    Fahim have not even played against england,South afriCa and aus so i don.t what is your logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    This sums up why Faheem is the most overrated cricketer on PP.

    Concerning all rounders, Pakistan fans should switch their attention to Shadab rather than this short trundling tail ender of a player.
    Lmao what is pandya bowling averages in test and odis .

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Lmao what is pandya bowling averages in test and odis .
    Pandya is a batting all rounder. His bowling is a bonus but if he can take the odd wicket or two like the last game and take a 4/5fer every series and bat 35+ average (which he isn't far off) then he's doing very well.

    Faheem's bowling doesn't make a big difference because he isn't a frontline bowler; those are Amir, Abbas, Hasan Ali and in the near future Shaheen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Fahim have not even played against england,South afriCa and aus so i don.t what is your logic
    My logic is that this guy averages 13 with bat in both formats against non-minnows. How is he even an allrounder? Why are we comparing him to Pandya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Faheem's batting average - (excluding Ireland and Zimbabwe)

    13 in ODIs
    13 in Tests

    How does this guy even qualify to be an allrounder? Even his bowling is as trash if you take out matches against Zimbabwe.
    If you take out Ireland, his test batting average is 13. His Bowling average is a respectable 29.75 thanks to one good England test where he bowled well.

    If you take out Zimbabwe from ODIs, he averages 15.6 with the bat, 36.85 with the ball.

    Last T20s, his best format by a clear margin. If you take out Zimbabwe, Scotland, ICC world XI, his batting average is 11.50, bowling average of 19.35. That bowling average is good. However is very much proped up by a very weak Sri Lankan team, it was pretty much their C team with virtually all their main players rested. Take that out, and his bowling average jumps to 29.42.

    All in all what has been very clear that so far Faheem really hasn't done well against anyone except for Minnows. He's gone missing for the most part against everyone else. I think it's stupid to compare to Pandya as at least he has some memorable performances against non-minnows on him.

    Faheem's potential can be mentioned, but you can not compare them on actual performance. Faheem's done nothing of yet. If anything he's been a passenger on the team against the non-minnow sides. Faheem wasn't even trusted to bowl much until Zimbabwe came along, and it was decided it was now safe to bowl him.

    Pandya's being attacked left right and centre on both his batting and bowling. And he's been given actual responsibility, so he's culpable. Faheem bats at 8, and hardly bowls. He's given no pressure. Been saying for ages, bat Faheem at 7, and give him full quota of overs in ODIs (shouldn't be playing tests, he has no role there). Until that happens, I find it funny how posters can herald Faheem's performances while bashing Pandya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Pandya is a batting all rounder. His bowling is a bonus but if he can take the odd wicket or two like the last game and take a 4/5fer every series and bat 35+ average (which he isn't far off) then he's doing very well.

    Faheem's bowling doesn't make a big difference because he isn't a frontline bowler; those are Amir, Abbas, Hasan Ali and in the near future Shaheen.
    Fahim is bowling allrounder his batting is bonus if fahim score fifty after every 4 to 5 test i will be more than happy he is not frontline batsmen
    Pandya batting doesnot makes difference because he is not frontline batsmen
    I can continue all day with excuses if you want

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    My logic is that this guy averages 13 with bat in both formats against non-minnows. How is he even an allrounder? Why are we comparing him to Pandya?
    What is sample size of your stats how many matches have fahim played in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Lmao what is pandya bowling averages in test and odis .
    Faheem's bowling average is same as Pandaya's if you exclude matches against Zimbabwe.

    Only worthy performance of Faheem's career is 3 wickets against England on a green-top. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Faheem's bowling average is same as Pandaya's if you exclude matches against Zimbabwe.

    Only worthy performance of Faheem's career is 3 wickets against England on a green-top. That's all.
    Hahahahahhahah and pandya fifer was in flat pitch lol.i have never seen that much swing and seam in a single pitch where pandya was bowling today
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    People need to understand that both players havenít faced quality ODI opposition for the better part of a year.

    To discredit a performance simply because it has come across a weak opponent does not take away from either the effort, result, or bearing effect on their respective averages.

    When all said and done, if you want to compare the two in ODIís, wait until after the Asia Cup or World Cup.

    If you want to compare them in Tests, wait until after Pakistan have played SA later this year.

    Regardless, at least I can attest that Pandya has bowled fantastic this Test and gotten a five-ferí.

    Bitter Indian fans who accuse Pakistanis of harping about a one-off Faheem performance need not go back on their principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    What is sample size of your stats how many matches have fahim played in that?
    Faheem has played 3 Tests, 12 ODIs.

    Has failed against everyone else but Zimbabwe.

    So, how is this guy comparable to Pandya? Why do we even have this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Its embarrassing for India to play him as a third seamer. Heís not even a Bangladesh-level pace bowler, aur us pe bhi bhai ke bharam khatam nahi hote
    Are you all right mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Hahahahahhahah and pandya fifer was in flat pitch lol
    Give me the highlight of Faheem's career in matches that don't involve Zimbabwe.

    He can't bat, he can't bowl ...so what exactly justifies this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Faheem has played 3 Tests, 12 ODIs.

    Has failed against everyone else but Zimbabwe.

    So, how is this guy comparable to Pandya? Why do we even have this thread?
    So you are saying fahim is not allrounder because he is medicore batsmen with sample size of 12 odis and 2 test but ignore the fact he is yet to play against eng(odis)SA and Aus
    But pandya is proper alltrounder with bowling averages of 40 in odis and 37 in test that too after playing more 40 odis and 9 test good fair judgement sir i salute you

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Give me the highlight of Faheem's career in matches that don't involve Zimbabwe.

    He can't bat, he can't bowl ...so what exactly justifies this thread?
    May be fahim is yet to play handy number of matches against top side

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Give me the highlight of Faheem's career in matches that don't involve Zimbabwe.

    He can't bat, he can't bowl ...so what exactly justifies this thread?
    Patience.

    Until yesterday, Pandya was getting abuse from Indian fans and plenty wanted him dropped.

    Pace-bowling all-rounders don't grow on trees, they have to be given a long-run and invested in.

    The main reason this thread is heading towards its 20th page is because everyone loves an India vs Pakistan comparison


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Fahim is bowling allrounder his batting is bonus if fahim score fifty after every 4 to 5 test i will be more than happy he is not frontline batsmen
    Pandya batting doesnot makes difference because he is not frontline batsmen
    I can continue all day with excuses if you want
    If Faheem is a bowling all rounder then unfortunately in tests he has a limited role because his bowling is certainly not good enough in UAE or Asia for that matter. The only way he can get a place in the team in Asian tests if he can bat well against spin but going by his averages he isn't a good enough batsmen.

    Pandya on the other hand is certainly good enough to play in India (and Asia) with his ability to destroy spin. Outside Asia he has shown he can deliver with both bat and ball as evident from today and his 90 odd in SA - he just needs to be a bit more consistent.

    Faheem for now is just a limited overs cricketer and at best maybe play in swing + seam friendly test wickets like England and SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    So you are saying fahim is not allrounder because he is medicore batsmen with sample size of 12 odis and 2 test but ignore the fact he is yet to play against eng(odis)SA and Aus
    But pandya is proper alltrounder with bowling averages of 40 in odis and 37 in test that too after playing more 40 odis and 9 test good fair judgement sir i salute you
    Pandya is poor bowler, so is Faheem.

    Pandya can bat, Faheem cannot.

    Don't take it personally, but try to understand my point. So far, Faheem has been beyond poor against non-minnows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I haven’t said a thing about Faheem Ashraf so far, so you are off there by a country mile. Pandya has had a few good knocks in his career, but has gone missing more often than not. Lately he has been shocking with the bat, not just rubbish. Remove that 90, and watch his average nose-dive in that same SAF series. Absolute disaster in the ODI series. Worse than a disaster so far on the England tour. And this is his strongest suit that I have had a chance to complete rip apart ruthlessly. His batting is going from bad to worse.

    My gripe is Pandya being called an all-rounder. My other gripe is Pandya being called one of the best all-rounders in world cricket. Has cricket become so lame that no-hopers like Pandya are good enough to be called all-rounders? Just because you can bowl filth at ‘90 mph’ (a speed I personally haven’t seen him bowl at so far), you are suddenly an all-rounder? His bowling is so bad, Sohail Tanvir on one leg would bowl better than him. Tendulkar, Ganguly and Sehwag were better bowlers than this joke, no one even considers them as ‘all-rounders’.

    Yes I don’t rate him and having watched him play for a consistent period of time, don’t believe he is an international class all-rounder. I’m quite certain Pandya won’t survive this five match test series as a test cricketer.
    This needs be to re-assessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Patience.

    Until yesterday, Pandya was getting abuse from Indian fans and plenty wanted him dropped.

    Pace-bowling all-rounders don't grow on trees, they have to be given a long-run and invested in.

    The main reason this thread is heading towards its 20th page is because everyone loves an India vs Pakistan comparison
    Pandya is still a sub-par Test bowler, today's performance doesn't change that.

    My point is that an "all-rounder" tag needs to be earned. There is nothing yet to suggest that Faheem can be an allrounder. His batting is pretty much non-existent and even his bowling has only clicked against a depleted Zimbabwe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If Faheem is a bowling all rounder then unfortunately in tests he has a limited role because his bowling is certainly not good enough in UAE or Asia for that matter. The only way he can get a place in the team in Asian tests if he can bat well against spin but going by his averages he isn't a good enough batsmen.

    Pandya on the other hand is certainly good enough to play in India (and Asia) with his ability to destroy spin. Outside Asia he has shown he can deliver with both bat and ball as evident from today and his 90 odd in SA - he just needs to be a bit more consistent.

    Faheem for now is just a limited overs cricketer and at best maybe play in swing + seam friendly test wickets like England and SA.
    I think you seems to be fortune teller because fahim is yet to play test match in uae but you know already he won.t be sucessed .if you are keen pakistan cricket you would have already knows how much fahim have got the chance to bat which he has not and if you want to see his batting he was good in psl with solid batting performances.

    Pandya is not that much great either his stats are proof he have failed numerious time if india have other allrounder he would have been already replaced in test after 3 to 4 test failure

    Again fahim have just played 3 test so cannot say much if he will sucessed in test or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Pandya is poor bowler, so is Faheem.

    Pandya can bat, Faheem cannot.

    Don't take it personally, but try to understand my point. So far, Faheem has been beyond poor against non-minnows.
    Dude fahim have played only one odi series against top side nz so you are judging him with one series hahhaha very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    I think you seems to be fortune teller because fahim is yet to play test match in uae but you know already he won.t be sucessed .if you are keen pakistan cricket you would have already knows how much fahim have got the chance to bat which he has not and if you want to see his batting he was good in psl with solid batting performances.

    Pandya is not that much great either his stats are proof he have failed numerious time if india have other allrounder he would have been already replaced in test after 3 to 4 test failure

    Again fahim have just played 3 test so cannot say much if he will sucessed in test or not
    This is my point, let's stop playing fortune teller and judge players based on what they have achieved.

    Exclude Zimbabwe, and so far Faheem has been a tailender who averages 37 with the ball.

    So, let's be patient and compare him to Pandya when a comparison is valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Dude fahim have played only one odi series against top side nz so you are judging him with one series hahhaha very good
    I am not judging him, I am only suggesting that a comparison isn't valid yet. In his very short career, he has failed everytime he hasn't played Zimbabwe. Let him change that, and then this thread will make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    This is my point, let's stop playing fortune teller and judge players based on what they have achieved.

    Exclude Zimbabwe, and so far Faheem has been a tailender who averages 37 with the ball.

    So, let's be patient and compare him to Pandya when a comparison is valid.
    Pandya test batting average against top side
    20
    Pandya odi batting average against top side
    29
    Pandya test bowling average against top side
    27
    Pandya odi bowling average against top side
    43
    Looks very good from pandya isn.t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    I am not judging him, I am only suggesting that a comparison isn't valid yet. In his very short career, he has failed everytime he hasn't played Zimbabwe. Let him change that, and then this thread will make sense.
    Wrong again
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    This is a silly comparison thread both are not all that great and here's Pak and india fans defending them till they are blue in the face. You would think they are comparing Imran Vs Kapil

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Pandya test batting average against top side
    20
    Pandya odi batting average against top side
    29
    Pandya test bowling average against top side
    27
    Pandya odi bowling average against top side
    43
    Looks very good from pandya isn.t?
    Pandya in Tests - (against non-minnows)

    Bowling average - 28 (better than Amir's)
    Batting average - 32


    Pandya in ODIs - (against non-minnows)

    Bowling average - 40
    Batting average - 29 (SR of 115)


    He qualifies to be an allrounder, no? Faheem doesn't YET. So please understand my point and let's stop dragging this for no reason.


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