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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasim_Waqar View Post
    Faheem is also special. Saw him win a game from dead v Ban before CT. hit the ball miles. Very talented. I think he will be a key for Pakistan in the World Cup. Needs to play every game.
    Sir the boundaries were really small. By all means give him opportunities, but people are setting the bar too high for him by comparing him to the likes of Pandya. If he can become half the hitter Pandya is he will do well for the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Sir the boundaries were really small. By all means give him opportunities, but people are setting the bar too high for him by comparing him to the likes of Pandya. If he can become half the hitter Pandya is he will do well for the team.
    Bhai iím quite sure Saj said that the majority of the hits were on the longer boundary and would have been 6 anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasim_Waqar View Post

    Faheem is better than the other guys we've had in the last few years. He's still very raw but I'm optimistic he will be very good. He is more a no8 hitter and good fast medium.

    Faheem will develop given a consistent run.
    Pretty much this. Faheem is someone who I would play at no 8 for now or when situation requires hitting from the word go.. Have seen few times on TV and he needs work on how to build an innings.. most of the time you see him try to smash bowlers from the start and in process losing his wicket thats why average domestic stats.. Faheem is not a finished product my any means right now but certainly has potential especially in hitting... Pandya on the other hand is kind of proper batsman excellent against spin and inferior hitter against pace compare to Faheem.. India realized this and thats why he is coming at 4 or 5 for their odi side now.
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    Pandya doesn't really have a performance of note, neither does Fahim, let's just wait a year and come back to this thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Pretty much this. Faheem is someone who I would play at no 8 for now or when situation requires hitting from the word go.. Have seen few times on TV and he needs work on how to build an innings.. most of the time you see him try to smash bowlers from the start and in process losing his wicket thats why average domestic stats.. Faheem is not a finished product my any means right now but certainly has potential especially in hitting... Pandya on the other hand is kind of proper batsman excellent against spin and inferior hitter against pace compare to Faheem.. India realized this and thats why he is coming at 4 or 5 for their odi side now.
    Any proof of this superior hitting of Faheem against pace? Dude, he couldnt even get Lankan second string trundlers away let alone competing with Pandya.Pandya had smoked the likes of Rabada,Cummins and Boult many times in IPL.

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    Both seem promising but are clearly not at the level of Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes and Shakib al Hassan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Any proof of this superior hitting of Faheem against pace? Dude, he couldnt even get Lankan second string trundlers away let alone competing with Pandya.Pandya had smoked the likes of Rabada,Cummins and Boult many times in IPL.
    Watch Faheem's domestic performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Fahim is in the team because the management have hopes from his batting. They believe that he has more potential than the other all-rounders when it comes to batting. Unless he develops his bowling to an extent where he can make the team purely on his bowling, he is going to be judged on his batting contributions.

    Based on evidence so far, he seems to be cut from the same cloth as the other pretenders that we have had in the past. Of course, people are free to believe that he will develop into a Pandya or Stokes if given the time. I, however, do not share the optimism.
    Too much mumbo jumbo and you're own opinion without any actual fact's like Faheem batting below Imad

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    Faheem bats at number 9!!! Oh dear! How big of line up we Pakistan have! It would be so much better if our 1 to 8 batsmen were more dynamic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don't know about "ferocious hitter" when he is catching thin air against 80 mph half-volleys. There is no point in bickering over this now. We shall revisit this thread in 4-5 years time, and if Fahim develops into a Pandya or Stokes level player, you can call me out throw eggs on my face.
    I think it's better if you took off your bluetinted glasses and read Cricinfo's commentary of the "Half Volley".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Both seem promising but are clearly not at the level of Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes and Shakib al Hassan.



    Watch Faheem's domestic performances.
    Cummins,Boult,Rabada>>>> Pakistan domestic trundlers.Hence, he is not at the level of Pandya yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Fahim is in the team because the management have hopes from his batting. They believe that he has more potential than the other all-rounders when it comes to batting. Unless he develops his bowling to an extent where he can make the team purely on his bowling, he is going to be judged on his batting contributions.

    Based on evidence so far, he seems to be cut from the same cloth as the other pretenders that we have had in the past. Of course, people are free to believe that he will develop into a Pandya or Stokes if given the time. I, however, do not share the optimism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don't know about "ferocious hitter" when he is catching thin air against 80 mph half-volleys. There is no point in bickering over this now. We shall revisit this thread in 4-5 years time, and if Fahim develops into a Pandya or Stokes level player, you can call me out throw eggs on my face.
    Lol Mamoon you are completely lost.
    As if Pandya and Stokes are on the same level first. Stokes is the most valuable cricketer in the world at the moment where as Pandya will most certainly not play the next test match for India.

    It will be like saying a player in the Shehzad Kohli league...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    Too much mumbo jumbo and you're own opinion without any actual fact's like Faheem batting below Imad
    Oh bhai, I am not comparing him to Imad. He might be better than him, and Iím not even saying that heís a bad player.

    Iím simply objecting the comparisons with players like Pandya and Stokes just because ours fans are extremely desperate for a quality all-rounder, and hype up every tom, dick and harry.

    Let him first prove that he is a better batsman than Imad, Anwar Ali etc., and then we can start comparing him to actual all-rounders.

    Considering the hype, if Fahim plays a couple of cameos people will start comparing him to Botham and Sobers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Lol Mamoon you are completely lost.
    As if Pandya and Stokes are on the same level first. Stokes is the most valuable cricketer in the world at the moment where as Pandya will most certainly not play the next test match for India.

    It will be like saying a player in the Shehzad Kohli league...
    Stokes is better than Pandya at the moment but he has been around for years now. Heís a quality batsman but his bowling is still very raw. He gets smashed like no tomorrow 8/10 times.

    Stokes is the best all-rounder in the world today but Pandya can become as good or even better. He has shown a lot of promise with the bat, and Indians know how to develop batsmen better than anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Pandya doesn't really have a performance of note, neither does Fahim, let's just wait a year and come back to this thread.
    Yeah his innings against Pakistan and the twin knocks against Australia werenít noteworthy performances. If Fahim produces anything close to that, this forum will crash because of the traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yeah his innings against Pakistan and the twin knocks against Australia werenít noteworthy performances. If Fahim produces anything close to that, this forum will crash because of the traffic.
    Still waiting for note-worthy bowling performances. Although Stokes is also over-rated, but he is on a different planet altogether to Pandya. Pandya isn't even a genuine all-rounder lol. His bowling is the definition of trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Still waiting for note-worthy bowling performances. Although Stokes is also over-rated, but he is on a different planet altogether to Pandya. Pandya isn't even a genuine all-rounder lol. His bowling is the definition of trash.
    Neither Stokes, nor Pandya and nor Fahim would make into most teams based on their bowling.

    Stokes has the knack of taking wickets, but considering how he gets smashed most of the times, he will be a liability without his explosive batting.

    Similarly, Pandya is a mediocre bowler who wonít keep out superior bowlers like Shami and Yadav on the bench if it wasnít for his hitting. Iím sure there are quite a few better bowlers than him in India.

    Similarly, there are many bowlers in Pakistan who are better than Fahim.

    All three are in the team because of what they can do with the bat, and unless Fahim develops his bowling to a level where he can make the team purely as a bowler, it is his batting that will keep his place in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Neither Stokes, nor Pandya and nor Fahim would make into most teams based on their bowling.

    Stokes has the knack of taking wickets, but considering how he gets smashed most of the times, he will be a liability without his explosive batting.

    Similarly, Pandya is a mediocre bowler who wonít keep out superior bowlers like Shami and Yadav on the bench if it wasnít for his hitting. Iím sure there are quite a few better bowlers than him in India.

    Similarly, there are many bowlers in Pakistan who are better than Fahim.

    All three are in the team because of what they can do with the bat, and unless Fahim develops his bowling to a level where he can make the team purely as a bowler, it is his batting that will keep his place in the team.
    Are you for real man? Stokes and Fahim are superior bowlers than Pandya no matter how you look at it. Rather than sit here and spew out rubbish posts one after another, go check out Fahim's domestic cricket statistics which show he has been one of the best bowlers around in recent seasons. His batting got a big boost thanks to that massacre of Bangladesh while a few of us have seen his brutal hitting in domestic cricket aswell. He will do much better when he has a proper chance to bat, not six balls coming in on a difficult pitch. But no sane individual would say I picked Fahim Ashraf in the team for his batting rather than his bowling prowess. His batting is an asset that should be utilized at number 7 or 8.

    Coming back to the point, you cannot compare the output of all-rounders based on one suit. Pandya seems a better batsman than Fahim, while Fahim seems a better bowler right now. Let them play a bit and then we can form a opinion. To mention Stokes in the same sentence as these two right now is an insult to a rare genuine all-rounder in world cricket. You have got to be trolling, your posts are just so ridiculous and daft.

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    Pandya will be better than Stokes. There's no doubt about it. He's got that killer instinct like Kohli, technique of a top order batsman and striking ability to match the best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Neither Stokes, nor Pandya and nor Fahim would make into most teams based on their bowling.

    Stokes has the knack of taking wickets, but considering how he gets smashed most of the times, he will be a liability without his explosive batting.

    Similarly, Pandya is a mediocre bowler who won’t keep out superior bowlers like Shami and Yadav on the bench if it wasn’t for his hitting. I’m sure there are quite a few better bowlers than him in India.

    Similarly, there are many bowlers in Pakistan who are better than Fahim.

    All three are in the team because of what they can do with the bat, and unless Fahim develops his bowling to a level where he can make the team purely as a bowler, it is his batting that will keep his place in the team.
    From

    Hadlee
    Imran
    Botham
    Proctor
    Rice
    Kallis

    To

    Pandya
    Ashraf
    Woakes
    Ben Stokes

    World cricket is in trouble if these r the best all rounders.
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    We have enough bowlers. Saying that Fahim is in the team for his bowling will eventually lead him to becoming a liability. Fahim is majorly in the team as a finisher or a pinch-hitter. His bowling will be a bonus.

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    Don't know why are we comparing two cricketers who haven't achieved much in their careers.

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    Pandaya has shown quite a lot already as a batsman with his hitting of Spinners probably the best in the world but although he has pace as a bowler, he is obsessed with the short ball and hence he isnt developing as quickly he should.
    Faheem is unknown quantity and bar a few overs in international cricket we dont know much and hence there is no real comparison but there may be in a years time.

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    Gonna be honest, I thought Faheem does overdo the leg-side slog. If you're a middle-order batsmen at least expand your shot selection. He's too easy to bowl at.

    Pandya on the other hand is as dangerous with the bat as Stokes. Stokes is probably the most elegant all-rounder alongside Moeen Ali when he bats.

    Faheem is no where near the top echelons of world cricket, yet anyway.


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    Faheem Ashraf is still young. He will improve. Both with the bat and the bowl. Hope he gets drafted into a decent PSL side and learn superb skills.

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    I think he will Improve with confidence. He seems like a really humble and nice bloke. Although I am not asking him to become as fiery as Ben Stokes, I certainly would like to see him taking the charge in the field as a leader figure the way Stokes does. Maybe its too early for this and he is yet to cement his place in all three formats. But with confidence will come his good performances and Improvement. Soon you will see him swing the ball a bit more, that will add a new dimension in his bowling. A couple of quick fire 50s would also do him no harm, out of all the fringe batsman I have seen, I am sure he is the most talented. He will most certainly bat ahead of Imad and Shadab and maybe Sarfaraz as well in the near future


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    Pretty disgusting how people already have already written off Faheem Ashraf while he hasn't even got a decent run.

    This guy has pretty good skills for Pakistani standards yet people are already making fun of him. In a way I am glad that Mickey doesn't listen to others and gives his players a decent run in the team before discarding them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    Pretty disgusting how people already have already written off Faheem Ashraf while he hasn't even got a decent run.

    This guy has pretty good skills for Pakistani standards yet people are already making fun of him. In a way I am glad that Mickey doesn't listen to others and gives his players a decent run in the team before discarding them.
    Thats a general problem all over the world with our community. always looking for a quick solution/quick fix to everything instead of having patience for the overall product.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Are you for real man? Stokes and Fahim are superior bowlers than Pandya no matter how you look at it. Rather than sit here and spew out rubbish posts one after another, go check out Fahim's domestic cricket statistics which show he has been one of the best bowlers around in recent seasons. His batting got a big boost thanks to that massacre of Bangladesh while a few of us have seen his brutal hitting in domestic cricket aswell. He will do much better when he has a proper chance to bat, not six balls coming in on a difficult pitch. But no sane individual would say I picked Fahim Ashraf in the team for his batting rather than his bowling prowess. His batting is an asset that should be utilized at number 7 or 8.

    Coming back to the point, you cannot compare the output of all-rounders based on one suit. Pandya seems a better batsman than Fahim, while Fahim seems a better bowler right now. Let them play a bit and then we can form a opinion. To mention Stokes in the same sentence as these two right now is an insult to a rare genuine all-rounder in world cricket. You have got to be trolling, your posts are just so ridiculous and daft.
    I am not interested in domestic stats of our bowlers. A lot of bowlers have ATGs stats on those pitches. Hammad Azam averages 21, Rahat averages 23, Asad Ali averages 22, and a 40 year old Aizaz Cheema is running riot. We don't need to discuss the caliber of these bowlers.

    The domestic stats of Pakistani pacers are meaningless. I am not saying that Fahim is a trash bowler, but my point is that his domestic stats are nothing to rely on.

    You can call him as bowling all-rounder if you wish, but the fact is that he has been picked for his potential as a batsman. We have been yearning for a hard hitting all-rounder for years, and Fahim has impressed with his hitting in domestic cricket, and that is why he has been picked; he has not been picked because of his great potential as a bowler.

    Pandya doesn't "seem" to be a better batsman than Fahim; he is a much, much better batsman, but yes you can flatly deny that because Fahim hasn't had much of a chance to impress with the bat, but it is only a matter of time before reality sinks in.

    The only genuine all-rounder in the world is Shakib, because he gets into most teams either as a batsman or a bowler. Stokes hardly makes any team due to his bowling alone, but he is the most high impact all-rounder in the world today.

    Pandya is a fantastic talent and yes he can be better than Stokes. Your main issue with him is that he plays for India. If the shoe was on the other foot, i.e. Fahim playing for India and Pandya playing for Pakistan, you would be laughing at this comparison.

    In the last 4 months, Pandya has played 4 innings (vs PAK, vs AUS (x2), vs SL) that Fahim will probably struggle to match in his entire career. Let him first prove that he is international material and not just another fake Pakistani all-rounder, and then perhaps we can start comparing him to one of the most exciting young players in the world today.

    Fahim is being hyped up due to our desperation for a top class all-rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    Pretty disgusting how people already have already written off Faheem Ashraf while he hasn't even got a decent run.

    This guy has pretty good skills for Pakistani standards yet people are already making fun of him. In a way I am glad that Mickey doesn't listen to others and gives his players a decent run in the team before discarding them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Thats a general problem all over the world with our community. always looking for a quick solution/quick fix to everything instead of having patience for the overall product.
    No one is writing him off. We are just laughing at the stupidity of comparing him to Pandya so early.

    He has to first prove that he is not another Anwar Ali, Sohail Tanvir or Bilawal Bhatti, and perhaps then we can start comparing him to the likes of Pandya and Stokes.

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    @Mamoon I think Shadab has a better chance of being world class genuine all rounder compared to anyone else.

    Boy is class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    @Mamoon I think Shadab has a better chance of being world class genuine all rounder compared to anyone else.

    Boy is class.
    Yes, but we need a fast-bowling world class all-rounder more. It is a great luxury because it allows you to play an additional batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I am not interested in domestic stats of our bowlers. A lot of bowlers have ATGs stats on those pitches. Hammad Azam averages 21, Rahat averages 23, Asad Ali averages 22, and a 40 year old Aizaz Cheema is running riot. We don't need to discuss the caliber of these bowlers.

    The domestic stats of Pakistani pacers are meaningless. I am not saying that Fahim is a trash bowler, but my point is that his domestic stats are nothing to rely on.

    You can call him as bowling all-rounder if you wish, but the fact is that he has been picked for his potential as a batsman. We have been yearning for a hard hitting all-rounder for years, and Fahim has impressed with his hitting in domestic cricket, and that is why he has been picked; he has not been picked because of his great potential as a bowler.

    Pandya doesn't "seem" to be a better batsman than Fahim; he is a much, much better batsman, but yes you can flatly deny that because Fahim hasn't had much of a chance to impress with the bat, but it is only a matter of time before reality sinks in.

    The only genuine all-rounder in the world is Shakib, because he gets into most teams either as a batsman or a bowler. Stokes hardly makes any team due to his bowling alone, but he is the most high impact all-rounder in the world today.

    Pandya is a fantastic talent and yes he can be better than Stokes. Your main issue with him is that he plays for India. If the shoe was on the other foot, i.e. Fahim playing for India and Pandya playing for Pakistan, you would be laughing at this comparison.

    In the last 4 months, Pandya has played 4 innings (vs PAK, vs AUS (x2), vs SL) that Fahim will probably struggle to match in his entire career. Let him first prove that he is international material and not just another fake Pakistani all-rounder, and then perhaps we can start comparing him to one of the most exciting young players in the world today.

    Fahim is being hyped up due to our desperation for a top class all-rounder.
    Okay, you are clearly trolling. No way can you miss the irony in that statement. Your main issue with Faheem Ashraf is that he plays for Pakistan and someone made the huge mistake of comparing him as an all-rounder to Hardik Pandya, going by your over-excited posts so far. You are laughing at a player, calling him names, when he hasn't even played ten international matches, all formats included, for Pakistan.

    I reiterate, for the millionth time, let both of them play for a year or two and then judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Okay, you are clearly trolling.
    He just trolls now..the boy is good at heart :p I wont be surprised he starts supporting and praising Faheem when majority goes against the kid after some failures :d


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    @Mamoon Fahim can be a good hitter. Potential to average 30@100SR, This is good for #8 in ODIs.

    Should look to average 28-29 with ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No one is writing him off. We are just laughing at the stupidity of comparing him to Pandya so early.

    He has to first prove that he is not another Anwar Ali, Sohail Tanvir or Bilawal Bhatti, and perhaps then we can start comparing him to the likes of Pandya and Stokes.
    You're acting as if comparing him to Pandya is like comparing him to Imran Khan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    @Mamoon Fahim can be a good hitter. Potential to average 30@100SR, This is good for #8 in ODIs.

    Should look to average 28-29 with ball.
    Batting average 27-30 with SR of ~115 will be good for us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Okay, you are clearly trolling. No way can you miss the irony in that statement. Your main issue with Faheem Ashraf is that he plays for Pakistan and someone made the huge mistake of comparing him as an all-rounder to Hardik Pandya, going by your over-excited posts so far. You are laughing at a player, calling him names, when he hasn't even played ten international matches, all formats included, for Pakistan.

    I reiterate, for the millionth time, let both of them play for a year or two and then judge.
    Yes because Hasan, Shadab, Babar, Imam, Shinwari etc. etc. play for India.

    You don't have to reiterate for a millionth time because I get your point. However, your logic is failing you because you are making it sound as if both Pandya and Fahim are on the same footing at the moment, who can only be judged after a year or two.

    Unfortunately, that is not the case. Pandya is well ahead of Fahim at this point because of the fantastic knocks that he has played, and Fahim has a lot of catching up to do. Your statement would have made sense if both were starting from scratch at the same time, but Pandya has already made a big name for himself.

    Just because both are all-rounders doesn't mean that they are comparable, and they will be comparable only if Fahim plays some special knocks like Pandya. He hasn't had much of an opportunity yet, but that does not mean that he will replicate Pandya's performance if he gets the opportunity, unless we assume that both are equally talented, which is a baseless assumption at this point driven by a mix of desperation and delusion.

    You can call me a troll or a daft or anything you want, but this is my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    You're acting as if comparing him to Pandya is like comparing him to Imran Khan.
    It is not, but Pandya has played some breathtaking knocks in a very short time period. You may have a problem with Indians, but he is the most exciting young all-rounder at the moment and he has been the breakthrough star of the year alongside Hasan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is not, but Pandya has played some breathtaking knocks in a very short time period. You may have a problem with Indians, but he is the most exciting young all-rounder at the moment and he has been the breakthrough star of the year alongside Hasan.
    I have no problems with Indian players, I think Kohli is the best batsmen in the world. That said, I have no problems with Pakistan either, I can see cricket from a neutrals point of view.

    Fahim has had like 3 international innings so I don't really see a valid comparison, whether you think Pandya is better or Fahim is better. There just isn't a big enough sample size to say such statements.


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    LOL Pandya is miles ahead of Faheem Ashraf who are these posters kidding ...

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    I don't rate Pandya but I'm not sure about Faheem either. Best thing to do is wait until the next World Cup and then see where these two players stand.

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    Pandya is due a round of overseas tours over the next year or so. We will know how good he is by the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Fahim is in the team because the management have hopes from his batting. They believe that he has more potential than the other all-rounders when it comes to batting. Unless he develops his bowling to an extent where he can make the team purely on his bowling, he is going to be judged on his batting contributions.

    Based on evidence so far, he seems to be cut from the same cloth as the other pretenders that we have had in the past. Of course, people are free to believe that he will develop into a Pandya or Stokes if given the time. I, however, do not share the optimism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is not, but Pandya has played some breathtaking knocks in a very short time period. You may have a problem with Indians, but he is the most exciting young all-rounder at the moment and he has been the breakthrough star of the year alongside Hasan.
    Are you paid by BCCI?
    First you name him with Ben Stokes and now as a cricketer with Hasan Ali.

    You keep on saying his innings vs Australia, can you please show the world witch brilliant two innings you are talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Are you paid by BCCI?
    First you name him with Ben Stokes and now as a cricketer with Hasan Ali.

    You keep on saying his innings vs Australia, can you please show the world witch brilliant two innings you are talking about?
    Forget it. Pandya himself would brush away such undeserved praise. An Australian attack missing Starc and Hazlewood, wirh Stoinis as one of the main seamers is the barometer for success now it seems. His desperation for Pandya to become a 'world class all-rounder' is funny, since he is accusing Pakistan fans of the same rubbish. An all-rounder being judged solely for his batting performances is weird to say the least, considering Pandya's bowling has been extremely ordinary so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Forget it. Pandya himself would brush away such undeserved praise. An Australian attack missing Starc and Hazlewood, wirh Stoinis as one of the main seamers is the barometer for success now it seems. His desperation for Pandya to become a 'world class all-rounder' is funny, since he is accusing Pakistan fans of the same rubbish. An all-rounder being judged solely for his batting performances is weird to say the least, considering Pandya's bowling has been extremely ordinary so far.
    So! doesn't the perofmrance against such "Australian attack" count at all? You consider the perfomance of a Bastman outstanding only when scores against 2 individual bowlers ? Then what about the ongoing tournament against Rookie Srilankan Bowlers ? I saw some PP'er started a thread "Do the runs against this Srilankan Team" count at al when they were playing against Indial? Well! I get the point now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    So! doesn't the perofmrance against such "Australian attack" count at all? You consider the perfomance of a Bastman outstanding only when scores against 2 individual bowlers ? Then what about the ongoing tournament against Rookie Srilankan Bowlers ? I saw some PP'er started a thread "Do the runs against this Srilankan Team" count at al when they were playing against Indial? Well! I get the point now!
    Should that performance be a barometer for success for a 'world class all-rounder'? Answer this question honestly and you might get the point I'm trying to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Should that performance be a barometer for success for a 'world class all-rounder'? Answer this question honestly and you might get the point I'm trying to make.
    Then tell me what kind of performances would you consider as a "Testament for success" for an Allrounder? Should be playing against only Starc, Rabada, Hazzlewoods? and discard his match winning performances against other Bowlers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Then tell me what kind of performances would you consider as a "Testament for success" for an Allrounder? Should be playing against only Starc, Rabada, Hazzlewoods? and discard his match winning performances against other Bowlers ?
    Let me give you an example. The gentleman this troll is mentioning alongside Pandya, has massacred and destroyed world-class bowling attacks enroute to some absolutely crazy knocks in the recent past. The most recent example being in the Champions Trophy 2017. Those are world-class performances. Has Pandya even achieved 10% of what Ben Stokes has to be mentioned in the same breath? Do we know he is capable of that given the small sample size and his struggles against genuine fast bowling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Let me give you an example. The gentleman this troll is mentioning alongside Pandya, has massacred and destroyed world-class bowling attacks enroute to some absolutely crazy knocks in the recent past. The most recent example being in the Champions Trophy 2017. Those are world-class performances. Has Pandya even achieved 10% of what Ben Stokes has to be mentioned in the same breath? Do we know he is capable of that given the small sample size and his struggles against genuine fast bowling?
    You mean the Stokes (the allrounder) who's world class bowling performance in the final over of WT20 2016 against Brathwaite helped Windies to lift the T20 world cup? Well! If you nitpick these lil details about an All arounder being world class in both the departments, then I do have matches to show you the shambolic performances of Stokes. But my question to you was not about if Pandya is in the same lines of Stokes or Shakib. My question was very specific to "discarding performances against other bolwers and considering world class only when a batsman performs aginst few individuals". That is totally illogical and I don't buy that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    You mean the Stokes (the allrounder) who's world class bowling performance in the final over of WT20 2016 against Brathwaite helped Windies to lift the T20 world cup? Well! If you nitpick these lil details about an All arounder being world class in both the departments, then I do have matches to show you the shambolic performances of Stokes. But my question to you was not about if Pandya is in the same lines of Stokes or Shakib. My question was very specific to "discarding performances against other bolwers and considering world class only when a batsman performs aginst few individuals". That is totally illogical and I don't buy that!
    Where did I mention 'few individuals'? My point is, Pandya has to perform over a period of time against good bowling attacks to deserve the same adulation as Ben Stokes, who is on a different level to be honest. A level which Pandya is constantly getting elevated to in this thread if you see. A level which Fahim Ashraf cannot touch in his dreams apparently.

    Also on another note, maaf kardo ab mujhe bhai. Pandya nahi ho gaya, Imran Khan ho gaya ye. Bus ho gayi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Where did I mention 'few individuals'? My point is, Pandya has to perform over a period of time against good bowling attacks to deserve the same adulation as Ben Stokes, who is on a different level to be honest. A level which Pandya is constantly getting elevated to in this thread if you see. A level which Fahim Ashraf cannot touch in his dreams apparently.

    Also on another note, maaf kardo ab mujhe bhai. Pandya nahi ho gaya, Imran Khan ho gaya ye. Bus ho gayi.
    Haha! Usman! The final note is funny! I get your point and I'm not comparing Pandya with Stokes or Shakib either. He's relatively new and picking up and only time has the answer if he reaches the levels of other genuine allrounders. And I have no clue about Fahim's caliber as an Allrounder either. He might surpass Pandya or falls short, only time will tell! Until that I do feel these comparisons irrelelvant at this point of time! Pandya is still a work-in-progress and in no way a Superstar in my books at the moment. But I'm not taking anything away from the performances he had against Aus or SL in the recent past, irrespective of the quality of bowlers he faced!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Haha! Usman! The final note is funny! I get your point and I'm not comparing Pandya with Stokes or Shakib either. He's relatively new and picking up and only time has the answer if he reaches the levels of other genuine allrounders. And I have no clue about Fahim's caliber as an Allrounder either. He might surpass Pandya or falls short, only time will tell! Until that I do feel these comparisons irrelelvant at this point of time! Pandya is still a work-in-progress and in no way a Superstar in my books at the moment. But I'm not taking anything away from the performances he had against Aus or SL in the recent past, irrespective of the quality of bowlers he faced!
    Exactly my point. Let both of them play for a year or two before forming any sort of opinion. Demeaning a player based on four international games is highly unfair.

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    Overrated pandya he is not that good enough i dont know why they compare him to stokes

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    haha. Pandya still has a lot to learn

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    Faheem can't hit, he is useless


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    Pandya is poor man's Faheem.

    Stokes is English Faheem.

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    Faheem <3 best lower order hitter in Pakistan.


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    'Useless', 'Can't hit' Faheem Ashraf may have ended Imad Wasim's career this series alone.

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    Last six from Fahim was brutal.

    Amazing pick up

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    Fahim smacking air as some people said

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    Fahim coming in the final over is criminal, he needs to be there with atleast 5-6 overs to spare.

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    So where is everyone with the Fahim Dev or Payndya? So much for giving someone a decent run before judging him.


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    For goodness sake, 2 sixes and people are claiming Faheem is better

    Pandya has played more matches and has already amassed dozens of sixes, that innings against us in the final was brutal.

    Would be a dream come true if Faheem fulfills his potential and becomes the number 6 power hitter we needed badly.


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    Lol .
    He can strike a long ball , was apparent last night when that whip carried all the way to long on.
    Still very early days though
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    Yes he is better than Pandya after two sixes. India wish they could swap the two.

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    lol pandya being taken to the cleaners


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yes he is better than Pandya after two sixes. India wish they could swap the two.
    Don't you mean two lucky sixes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yes he is better than Pandya after two sixes. India wish they could swap the two.
    It's just short term excitement, people get emotional


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    Quote Originally Posted by CricFan2012 View Post
    For goodness sake, 2 sixes and people are claiming Faheem is better

    Pandya has played more matches and has already amassed dozens of sixes, that innings against us in the final was brutal.

    Would be a dream come true if Faheem fulfills his potential and becomes the number 6 power hitter we needed badly.
    No one is saying that but you have to see him more to recognize his hitting talent .. He is better hitting pace than Pandya.. Can hit yorkers, can hit bouncers.
    On other hand Padya is not good as Faheem hitting pace while exceptional hitting spin. India already kind of gave up on his pace hitting and now he is batting at no 4 or 5.. They realized he is not good hitting from the word go against pacers and batting up the order now when overs are left.


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    If you have a reputation for being a "lower order hitter" - I think you ought to be putting away two full tosses in the final over of a T20.

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    No one has a problem with Fahim and no one has a problem with him getting a decent run in the side. The only problem is that he is being compared to Pandya before he has done anything.

    It is a simple point which seems to have flown over the heads of many people like his two sixes in the last over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricFan2012 View Post
    For goodness sake, 2 sixes and people are claiming Faheem is better

    Pandya has played more matches and has already amassed dozens of sixes, that innings against us in the final was brutal.

    Would be a dream come true if Faheem fulfills his potential and becomes the number 6 power hitter we needed badly.
    Someone who can hit sixes this easily and bowls really well and with good pace. What's not to like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yes he is better than Pandya after two sixes. India wish they could swap the two.
    Just got Hatrick in last match and hit two sixes in two balls to finish the innings but still how can he beat the legends of Pandya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Don't you mean two lucky sixes?
    No fluke.

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    Things getting exciting. Could be a huge rivalry in the making here Faheem v Pandya

    Bret v HBK
    Cena V Randy Orton
    Hogan v Rick Flair
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    He may or may not be better than Pandya but exactly the player we need.

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    Dont remember pandya hitting this well against pacers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Don't you mean two lucky sixes?
    Well he would have preferred full tosses to yorkers, but you still got to put them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyObnoxious View Post
    Someone who can hit sixes this easily and bowls really well and with good pace. What's not to like?
    Sample size is very very small, he's played less matches than the fingers I have on my hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Well he would have preferred full tosses to yorkers, but you still got to put them away.
    He has the helicopter shot to dispatch yorkers


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