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    Quote Originally Posted by 7sins View Post
    yeah right!! if panya played next 5 overs he could have ended the match by 14 overs
    such wickets shouldn't require the services of a no. 5 at all it is Rajkot. India's best batting ground

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    I certainly wont want a Pandya or Faheem like batsman at no 4. No 4 is a position for genuine batsmen who can hit centuries someone like haris for Pak and Pandey for Ind. Considering how Pandya is batting at 4 his bowling is going down (was bowling at 127kmph today) and he might go the Irfan Pathan way.

    Both Pak and India require a hard hitting batsman down the order who can play as 3rd/4th seamer too and atleast is reliable to bowl 7 overs. 'Allrounder' like Faheem or Pandya bring much balance to the side rather than only as bowler or as top/middle order batsmen.
    I don't think Pandya will play at #4 in the long-term. I believe that he has been used in that position in ODIs because India wants to develop his range as a batsman, and not just pigeon-hole him as a slogger. He is long-term position will probably be #6, a position where you need to do plenty of repair work as well as slogging. He has the characteristics for that role.

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    Great performance by future Indian captain and world's best all-rounder

    Too sad he is not getting the recognition he deserves due to his nationality

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    Hardik Sobers didn't even complete his quota of overs today.

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    The problem with this thread is that Fahim has no performances - good or bad - to which Pandya can be compared. So as long as Fahim has not done anything of note with the bat, I don't see the purpose of bumping this comparison thread.

    Pandya has 2-3 dedicated threads that can be used to track his performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Great performance by future Indian captain and world's best all-rounder

    Too sad he is not getting the recognition he deserves due to his nationality
    Yup couldnt even make the runs he conceded in one over.

    But still he is a force to be reckoned with. Come the SA tour and the beast will be unleashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The problem with this thread is that Fahim has no performances - good or bad - to which Pandya can be compared. So as long as Fahim has not done anything of note with the bat, I don't see the purpose of bumping this comparison thread.

    Pandya has 2-3 dedicated threads that can be used to track his performance.
    Yeh sun lo bhai.... no performance "good or bad"


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    1 run in 2 innings for Hardik "better than Afridi" Pandya


    Also went for 14 runs in his solitary over



    ATG Alrounder


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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Looks like Pandya Dev can't even play spin now.

    Two first ballers against Sodhi.
    Please don't insult Kapil who was a very good bowler. Pandya may be a better batsman one day but as a bowler he's not in the same league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yeh sun lo bhai.... no performance "good or bad"


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    Janab yahan pe balebaazi ki baat ho rahi hai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Janab yahan pe balebaazi ki baat ho rahi hai.
    Yes Hardik Sober is setting the world on fire with his 1 run in 2 innings


    #Mein inko rolaonga

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    Imagine if Pandya was Pakistani.

    A young Pakistani all-rounder scoring a 70 in 40 balls vs India and then follows it up with an 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls vs Australia. In addition, a run a ball Test century vs SL in SL.

    The forum will probably crash due to the immense hype and he will end up getting compared to every great all-rounder that has walked the Earth, and anyone criticizing him will be a bitter Indian who cannot digest the talent of this young all-rounder and keeps comparing him to Fahim (who will be Indian in this scenario) even though he has not done anything notable so far.

    The bias and hypocrisy is shocking to say the least. It is understandable to an extent because it is a Pakistani forum, but this one is clearly off limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    It was a second string attack, yes, but still better than the majority of attacks in world cricket; with the likes of NCN and Cummins.

    Corey Anderson has fallen away and was exposed for his lack of temperament and natural ability with the bat. How do you expect someone to be hyped when he isn't even the best A/R in his country?

    Gunaratne's bowling would be completely nullified in OD cricket and not to mention he's already 32 years old. This is as good as he's going to get- it's unfortunate he never made the side when he was younger as he's a decent batsman with excellent mental strength. The reason he isn't hyped as much as he hasn't done much on the world stage. Again, he just has the solitary half century and century to got his name.
    Corey scored a match winning 50 in World Cup semi final and together with Elliot chased a mammoth 299 in 43 overs and has a 35 ball century too. I can bet you if he was Indian he would have hyped to the moon. He got injured and then his form declined plus NZ has 3 all rounders in Neesham, Collin De Grandhome and Corey.

    As I have said, Pandya hasn't done anything special yet to be hailed as world's best allrounder and better/(at par) than Stokes. As far as 'potential' goes, Gavaskar rightly said today that teams have realized that dont pitch the ball up to Pandya otherwise he will smack you out of the park. The kid needs a lot of work to do. There are weaknesses in his game. Bowling is on the decline too. He was bowling at 127 kmph today and bowled only 1 over. India promoted him up the order as he was struggling to hit pacers down the order (not because they see him as next no 4/5) but now he is struggling even against spinners.
    Last edited by SarfiBabarHaris; 4th November 2017 at 16:10.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yes Hardik Sober is setting the world on fire with his 1 run in 2 innings
    And his other threads can be used to track his performances. What is the point and the purpose of this thread when Fahim has not done anything yet?

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    Both the players have to prove themselves but the difference between Fahim and Hardik is that Hardik has been overhyped by his fans. Every performance of Hardik Sobers will be highlighted from now onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Imagine if Pandya was Pakistani.

    A young Pakistani all-rounder scoring a 70 in 40 balls vs India and then follows it up with an 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls vs Australia. In addition, a run a ball Test century vs SL in SL.

    The forum will probably crash due to the immense hype and he will end up getting compared to every great all-rounder that has walked the Earth, and anyone criticizing him will be a bitter Indian who cannot digest the talent of this young all-rounder and keeps comparing him to Fahim (who will be Indian in this scenario) even though he has not done anything notable so far.

    The bias and hypocrisy is shocking to say the least. It is understandable to an extent because it is a Pakistani forum, but this one is clearly off limits.
    We had A Razzaq give bigger performances still noone got crazy about him..you are underestimating Pak fans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The problem is that the failures of all-rounders are highlighted more because they are more involved in the game. If they fail with the bat they have to do well with the ball and vice versa, and when it doesn't happen in either disciple for a few games, they become overrated.

    Stokes was the butt of jokes on PP for months after his string of low scores and poor spells in 2014, but it was obvious that he had serious potential who would win many games for England in the future.

    The same people are having issues with Pandya now. He certainly has the potential to match if not better Stokes. His batting potential is superior but his bowling is inferior, and both are excellent fielders.
    Don't know if Pandaya will be better than Stokes but definitely he will turn out to be a good player for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Imagine if Pandya was Pakistani.

    A young Pakistani all-rounder scoring a 70 in 40 balls vs India and then follows it up with an 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls vs Australia. In addition, a run a ball Test century vs SL in SL.

    The forum will probably crash due to the immense hype and he will end up getting compared to every great all-rounder that has walked the Earth, and anyone criticizing him will be a bitter Indian who cannot digest the talent of this young all-rounder and keeps comparing him to Fahim (who will be Indian in this scenario) even though he has not done anything notable so far.

    The bias and hypocrisy is shocking to say the least. It is understandable to an extent because it is a Pakistani forum, but this one is clearly off limits.
    That's your tainted glaces that makes you see he scored 80 from 50 balls...

    A great all rounder probably has something to show with the ball also?
    Pandya is a nothing player and people who know cricket can see it from the start. You even mentioned him with Stokes who is the most valuable player in the world at the moment.

    Fahim Ashraf will also prove to be a better player than Pandya, witch is not hard in itself, so bad is Pandya. Fahim is a lot superior bowler than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The problem with this thread is that Fahim has no performances - good or bad - to which Pandya can be compared. So as long as Fahim has not done anything of note with the bat, I don't see the purpose of bumping this comparison thread.

    Pandya has 2-3 dedicated threads that can be used to track his performance.
    But the problem is some fans still trying to hype him. He is an ordinary players goes all out to spinners to hit most of his boundries and when pacer came he choke but trying to hit spinners he already lost his wicket 2 times in this series and his bowling is out of this world captain cant even trust which he will get in the game from him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    That's your tainted glaces that makes you see he scored 80 from 50 balls...

    A great all rounder probably has something to show with the ball also?
    Pandya is a nothing player and people who know cricket can see it from the start. You even mentioned him with Stokes who is the most valuable player in the world at the moment.

    Fahim Ashraf will also prove to be a better player than Pandya, witch is not hard in itself, so bad is Pandya. Fahim is a lot superior bowler than him.
    Imagine an all rounder from india take a hat trick in his 4 odi and in previous odis bowl economical spells and when batting comes he can also hit few sixes so they will hype him as much as your doing to hardik pandya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Both the players have to prove themselves but the difference between Fahim and Hardik is that Hardik has been overhyped by his fans. Every performance of Hardik Sobers will be highlighted from now onwards.
    100 percent aree with you too much hype on one player with nothing special performance in 1.5 year

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    Even though I'm not a fan of Pandya but he was superb with the bat and ball in the Aus series no doubt about that. I think he can get to that level as he grows as a player just needs to keep his head down. But I hope Fahim can turnout as a better allrounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    We had A Razzaq give bigger performances still noone got crazy about him..you are underestimating Pak fans...
    Back then were no social media and PP was not what it is today. If an all-rounder today produces the type of performances that a young Razzaq did, the hype will be immense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    That's your tainted glaces that makes you see he scored 80 from 50 balls...

    A great all rounder probably has something to show with the ball also?
    Pandya is a nothing player and people who know cricket can see it from the start. You even mentioned him with Stokes who is the most valuable player in the world at the moment.

    Fahim Ashraf will also prove to be a better player than Pandya, witch is not hard in itself, so bad is Pandya. Fahim is a lot superior bowler than him.
    Let alone Fahim, Anwar Ali, Bhatti, Sohail Tanvir, Hammad Azam etc. I am sure even you are a better all-rounder than nothing cricketer Pandya.

    Unfortunately, as I have said before, you have a phobia of Indian players. You generally make insightful comments but you lose the plot when an Indian player is involved. The phobia is so severe that in the Shehzad vs Rahane comparison thread back in 2013, you picked Shehzd as the better talent, even though a blind man could see that Rahane was a player of superior ability and technique.

    Secondly, you don't have to tell me that Stokes is a valuable player and the best all-rounder in the world today. However, Pandya is a far from a nothing cricketer and he has the potential to reach Stokes' level at least with the bat, but yes with the ball, he needs a lot of work. Anyway, his bowling is that important for India. They are clearly more interested in his development as a batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7sins View Post
    But the problem is some fans still trying to hype him. He is an ordinary players goes all out to spinners to hit most of his boundries and when pacer came he choke but trying to hit spinners he already lost his wicket 2 times in this series and his bowling is out of this world captain cant even trust which he will get in the game from him
    He is not an ordinary player. He is a very good talent who can be world class in the future if he develops properly. The only reason people are eager to write him off as soon as possible is because he is Indian.

    Every team in the world would like to invest in a player like him.

    Obviously except Pakistan of course. He won't even make a PSL team, since we have 5-6 better all-rounders than him in every F/C team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The problem with this thread is that Fahim has no performances - good or bad - to which Pandya can be compared. So as long as Fahim has not done anything of note with the bat, I don't see the purpose of bumping this comparison thread.

    Pandya has 2-3 dedicated threads that can be used to track his performance.
    Premature thread but I still think it isn’t a ridiculous comparison.

    It’s more reasonable than Pandya vs Stokes or saying that Pandya > Razzaq

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    @Mamoon
    Why do u keep on referring to HP as a all rounder when he doesn't bowl even half of his qoata.

    Pandya in batting is the new Yusuf Pathan, his line and length is like Mohammed Sami with the pace of Anwar Ali.

    India would be better of investing in a proper batsman for the number 4 role, maybe give KL Rahul 15-20 games there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Premature thread but I still think it isn’t a ridiculous comparison.

    It’s more reasonable than Pandya vs Stokes or saying that Pandya > Razzaq
    Not it is not. Let Fahim play before comparing him to any all-rounder; he has not played a single meaningful knock yet. At least Pandya has four high quality innings in the space of four months.

    Razzaq was a great talent but career wise he is no benchmark. He had a very sharp decline and apart from his first 2-3 years he was nothing special. His bowling declined rapidly after 2004, and his batting become inconsistent around the same time as well.

    However, he was world class from 1999 to 2003. Stokes is better than him already and Pandya can have a better career as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    @Mamoon
    Why do u keep on referring to HP as a all rounder when he doesn't bowl even half of his qoata.

    Pandya in batting is the new Yusuf Pathan, his line and length is like Mohammed Sami with the pace of Anwar Ali.

    India would be better of investing in a proper batsman for the number 4 role, maybe give KL Rahul 15-20 games there.
    He is technically much better than Pathan who was a hack. He will go a lot further in his career. He is not going to be a long-term number 4 but they are using him there to develop his temperament. I think he will play at number 6 in the long haul.

    I have said many times now that his bowling is not that important for India. They are clearly more interested in his development as a batsman. However, his bowling might improve in the future and he is capable of bowling at 140 clicks. He is very gifted physically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Corey scored a match winning 50 in World Cup semi final and together with Elliot chased a mammoth 299 in 43 overs and has a 35 ball century too. I can bet you if he was Indian he would have hyped to the moon. He got injured and then his form declined plus NZ has 3 all rounders in Neesham, Collin De Grandhome and Corey.

    As I have said, Pandya hasn't done anything special yet to be hailed as world's best allrounder and better/(at par) than Stokes. As far as 'potential' goes, Gavaskar rightly said today that teams have realized that dont pitch the ball up to Pandya otherwise he will smack you out of the park. The kid needs a lot of work to do. There are weaknesses in his game. Bowling is on the decline too. He was bowling at 127 kmph today and bowled only 1 over. India promoted him up the order as he was struggling to hit pacers down the order (not because they see him as next no 4/5) but now he is struggling even against spinners.
    Only a fool would say that he's one of the best all-rounders in the world. Potentially, yes. Currently, no.

    He is far from the finished product but there's no doubt that the raw ingredients he had presented are something anybody can get excited over.

    I've already said that Faheem is the superior bowler a couple of pages back on this very thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Only a fool would say that he's one of the best all-rounders in the world. Potentially, yes. Currently, no.

    He is far from the finished product but there's no doubt that the raw ingredients he had presented are something anybody can get excited over.

    I've already said that Faheem is the superior bowler a couple of pages back on this very thread.
    your views on fahim's batting ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadida97 View Post
    your views on fahim's batting ?
    Haven't seen much of his batting TBH. But from the little I've seen he seems to be a good timer of the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Imagine if Pandya was Pakistani.

    A young Pakistani all-rounder scoring a 70 in 40 balls vs India and then follows it up with an 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls vs Australia. In addition, a run a ball Test century vs SL in SL.

    The forum will probably crash due to the immense hype and he will end up getting compared to every great all-rounder that has walked the Earth, and anyone criticizing him will be a bitter Indian who cannot digest the talent of this young all-rounder and keeps comparing him to Fahim (who will be Indian in this scenario) even though he has not done anything notable so far.

    The bias and hypocrisy is shocking to say the least. It is understandable to an extent because it is a Pakistani forum, but this one is clearly off limits.
    How are you different then? You are doing the same even though you are not an Indian.

    Pandya is a very promising cricketer and there is no doubt about it but the way you throw tantrums just because somebody dared to compare Faheem with him is comical.

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    It's amazing how an all-rounder is only supposed to be a good batsman now to be compared to one of the best all-rounders in world cricket today. Stokes bowling kara ke time pass kar raha hai shayad. Pandya just has to average 40+ to be considered a great all-rounder it seems.

    Modern cricket has progressed a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    It's amazing how an all-rounder is only supposed to be a good batsman now to be compared to one of the best all-rounders in world cricket today. Stokes bowling kara ke time pass kar raha hai shayad. Pandya just has to average 40+ to be considered a great all-rounder it seems.

    Modern cricket has progressed a lot.
    Because a special messenger was sent to Mamoon by BCCI and Kohli that a country which has immense batting talent but rather poor fast bowlers are not interested in Pandya's bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Because a special messenger was sent to Mamoon by BCCI and Kohli that a country which has immense batting talent but rather poor fast bowlers are not interested in Pandya's bowling.
    For the majority I'm sure an all-rounder's definition is a player who has the ability to influence a match through either a batting or a bowling performance. A genuine all-rounder. Ye bhai saab is definition ko redefine karne mein lagay hain.

    Food for thought, Fahim Ashraf won't be playing as an all-rounder in the Pakistan team if he becomes a gun batsman but a mediocre bowler.

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    Pandya a baaaaad man. The composure he showed in the CT final was scary. Big stage player.


    A skilled hawk conceals its talons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Because a special messenger was sent to Mamoon by BCCI and Kohli that a country which has immense batting talent but rather poor fast bowlers are not interested in Pandya's bowling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    For the majority I'm sure an all-rounder's definition is a player who has the ability to influence a match through either a batting or a bowling performance. A genuine all-rounder. Ye bhai saab is definition ko redefine karne mein lagay hain.

    Food for thought, Fahim Ashraf won't be playing as an all-rounder in the Pakistan team if he becomes a gun batsman but a mediocre bowler.
    Pandya's ability with the bat is much greater than his ability with the ball. He can improve with the ball and make an impact, but he can become the real deal with the bat. Obviously India would love him to be world class with both bat and ball, but the main focus is on his batting and that is what has generated the hype over the last few months.

    Fahim would serve Pakistan really well if he becomes a gun batsman but a mediocre bowler. Unless he delivers with the bat big time, he is not going to bring something new to the team. There is no shortage of bowlers in Pakistan, but we are desperately in need of hard hitting lower-order batsman. Every contender in the last few years has failed to make that role his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Pandya's ability with the bat is much greater than his ability with the ball. He can improve with the ball and make an impact, but he can become the real deal with the bat. Obviously India would love him to be world class with both bat and ball, but the main focus is on his batting and that is what has generated the hype over the last few months.

    Fahim would serve Pakistan really well if he becomes a gun batsman but a mediocre bowler. Unless he delivers with the bat big time, he is not going to bring something new to the team. There is no shortage of bowlers in Pakistan, but we are desperately in need of hard hitting lower-order batsman. Every contender in the last few years has failed to make that role his own.
    Then Pandya will play for India as a BATSMAN, not as an all-rounder. We bash Hafeez and Malik for being pseudo all-rounders, yet it's okay if Pandya is a good batsman but a poor bowler? To be a compared to a genuine all-rounder like Ben Stokes, Hardik Sobers needs to improve massively as a bowler. When you are not good enough to finish your quota of overs consistently and getting smashed all over the place, you know you have a long way to go before you are considered as a genuine all-rounder.

    Same goes for Fahim Ashraf. Yes Pakistan has decent stock of fast bowling options, but if he becomes a good batsman and Anwar Ali-esque with the ball, Pakistan will play him as a batter and he will not be considered as an all-rounder.

    For a Stokes fan, you really don't rate him much if you're willing to compare him to Hardik Pandya. Stokes is very much over-rated IMO but it's a fact that he makes the team as both a batsman and a bowler. Impact player who can influence games with either suit. He is in a different league altogether and sorry, Pandya as an all-rounder hasn't shown potential to come close to him at the moment. Maybe as a batter he can have days comparable to Stokes, but as a bowler there's a universe separating them right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Then Pandya will play for India as a BATSMAN, not as an all-rounder. We bash Hafeez and Malik for being pseudo all-rounders, yet it's okay if Pandya is a good batsman but a poor bowler? To be a compared to a genuine all-rounder like Ben Stokes, Hardik Sobers needs to improve massively as a bowler. When you are not good enough to finish your quota of overs consistently and getting smashed all over the place, you know you have a long way to go before you are considered as a genuine all-rounder.

    Same goes for Fahim Ashraf. Yes Pakistan has decent stock of fast bowling options, but if he becomes a good batsman and Anwar Ali-esque with the ball, Pakistan will play him as a batter and he will not be considered as an all-rounder.

    For a Stokes fan, you really don't rate him much if you're willing to compare him to Hardik Pandya. Stokes is very much over-rated IMO but it's a fact that he makes the team as both a batsman and a bowler. Impact player who can influence games with either suit. He is in a different league altogether and sorry, Pandya as an all-rounder hasn't shown potential to come close to him at the moment. Maybe as a batter he can have days comparable to Stokes, but as a bowler there's a universe separating them right now.
    Pandya Sobers averages 9 after 13 T20Is innings with the highest total of 31. It is as bad as Khalif Latif's initial performance in T20s. Even Anwar Ali has done better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is not an ordinary player. He is a very good talent who can be world class in the future if he develops properly. The only reason people are eager to write him off as soon as possible is because he is Indian.

    Every team in the world would like to invest in a player like him.

    Obviously except Pakistan of course. He won't even make a PSL team, since we have 5-6 better all-rounders than him in every F/C team.
    well for your information he has been coached by ricky ponting sachin in mumbai indians for last 2 to 3 years in India A tours hes been coached by rahul dravid and in india hes been coached by Kumble and now ravi shastri do you have any more excuses? or these guys or should i say legends are not good enough coaches to turn NEXT ALL TIME GREAT HARDIK PANDYA into a finish article in last 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Pandya Sobers averages 9 after 13 T20Is innings with the highest total of 31. It is as bad as Khalif Latif's initial performance in T20s. Even Anwar Ali has done better.
    but according to mamoon he is still learning even after playings tons of t20 cricket in ipl. khalid latif was turning out to be agood t20 batsmen in the last few matches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Back then were no social media and PP was not what it is today. If an all-rounder today produces the type of performances that a young Razzaq did, the hype will be immense.
    I am pretty sure we had internet in 2010 when A.Razzaq smashed 100 vs SA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Back then were no social media and PP was not what it is today. If an all-rounder today produces the type of performances that a young Razzaq did, the hype will be immense.
    Brah Pak Passion was 10 years old when A Razzaq battered South Africa in 2010.

    Everyone including their next door neighbour also had Facebook 7 years ago.

    What are you going on about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    I am pretty sure we had internet in 2010 when A.Razzaq smashed 100 vs SA
    And PP had threads like,

    Kapil Dev v Abdul Razzaq (ODIs)

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...-Razzaq-(ODIs)


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    Was playing cricket video game today.

    Scored 22*(7) with Faheem. 2 fours and 2 sixes in the last over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyman View Post
    was playing cricket video game today.

    Scored 22*(7) with faheem. 2 fours and 2 sixes in the last over.
    dbc 17?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendAli View Post
    Brah Pak Passion was 10 years old when A Razzaq battered South Africa in 2010.

    Everyone including their next door neighbour also had Facebook 7 years ago.

    What are you going on about?
    Oh bhai, Razzaq was not an up and coming youngster in 2010. Many sections of Pakistani fans had labeled him a TTF by that time because he hardly performed after 2004-2005. In his last 4-5 years, he was a freeloader who rode on his past reputation and random flash in the pan performances every now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    I am pretty sure we had internet in 2010 when A.Razzaq smashed 100 vs SA

    Please read post #445.

    I am talking about Razzaq the exciting youngster (1999-2004) not Razzaq the TTF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7sins View Post
    well for your information he has been coached by ricky ponting sachin in mumbai indians for last 2 to 3 years in India A tours hes been coached by rahul dravid and in india hes been coached by Kumble and now ravi shastri do you have any more excuses? or these guys or should i say legends are not good enough coaches to turn NEXT ALL TIME GREAT HARDIK PANDYA into a finish article in last 5 years.
    What excuses? He is only 24 years old, and has been the most exciting up and coming all-rounder since Stokes. He is coming along nicely, and Indians know how to develop their batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Then Pandya will play for India as a BATSMAN, not as an all-rounder. We bash Hafeez and Malik for being pseudo all-rounders, yet it's okay if Pandya is a good batsman but a poor bowler? To be a compared to a genuine all-rounder like Ben Stokes, Hardik Sobers needs to improve massively as a bowler. When you are not good enough to finish your quota of overs consistently and getting smashed all over the place, you know you have a long way to go before you are considered as a genuine all-rounder.

    Same goes for Fahim Ashraf. Yes Pakistan has decent stock of fast bowling options, but if he becomes a good batsman and Anwar Ali-esque with the ball, Pakistan will play him as a batter and he will not be considered as an all-rounder.

    For a Stokes fan, you really don't rate him much if you're willing to compare him to Hardik Pandya. Stokes is very much over-rated IMO but it's a fact that he makes the team as both a batsman and a bowler. Impact player who can influence games with either suit. He is in a different league altogether and sorry, Pandya as an all-rounder hasn't shown potential to come close to him at the moment. Maybe as a batter he can have days comparable to Stokes, but as a bowler there's a universe separating them right now.
    Hafeez and Malik have not been world class batsmen, although Malik has been pretty much world class in the last two years. However, his career is coming to an end so there isn't much excitement over his performances. I rate both Stokes and Pandya highly. I didn't think we will see a young all-rounder who can compete with Stokes any time soon before the emergence of Pandya, who has the potential to be a top player.

    Stokes is a wonderful impact player but you are overrating his bowling. He doesn't make any good team based on his bowling alone; he gets smashed 9/10 times and has no control. However, he has the talent to make things happen out of nowhere. All-rounders are all about impact, they don't necessarily have to make the team in either disciple.

    If we talk about all-rounders who will make most good teams either as a batsman or as a bowler, then Shakib is probably the only one who fits the bill. He can slot into the middle-order of most teams and he is an excellent left-arm orthodox bowler, better than the specialist spinners of most teams.

    Pandya has the spark in his game too; he can make things happen. Easily the most exciting young all-rounder in the world today. Stokes is also young but he is an established world class performer, so I am not considering him young per se. People are quick to write him off as a bowler but he has age on his side and an excellent athlete. He can certainly improve as a bowler, but yes batting will remain his strong suit. After all, he only took up bowling two years ago.

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    So Indians who have historically struggled as fast bowlers are gonna develop a bilawal bhatti level bowler into the next Steyn?

    Pandya is the better batsman, Faheem is the better bowler. Pandya is also not some razzle dazzle ATG potential all rounder to be hella excited over and he's not got the capabilites of rivalling Stokes who can turn the game with either bat/ball, has 100s vs peak Mitch, 200s in SA and multiple 5fers lol.

    Both these allrounders need to show they're superior to the likes of Faulkner, Anderson, Holder, Neesham, Russel before people even think of naming them with Stokes. Of course you have the one apologist who's gonna go neck out to call out biased Pakistani fans, but still fails to see he has worse bias against Pakistani players.

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    all i cee just one poster hailing pandya..but i think both of them has to prove themselves..HP has shown some promise but has been poor in bw .fahim has been great with the ball so far but his batting has to be tested i see more potentail in fahim but we have to wait.

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    Oh gosh, this thread is still alive. Imagine the scenes when Pandya actually fails and gets dropped from the team while a particular poster is hailing him as possibly the future captain of India.

    Pandya though is a great talent. Anybody who disagrees with this should not watch cricket. But Pandya is not an all-rounder I'm sorry. Right now his bowling is as good as Thisara Perera's.

    Coming to the comparison of Fahim vs Pandya, I can bet that Fahim will never hit the heights of Pandya as a batsman because batsmen in our country are not groomed to become batsmen with great technique that can also hit out. We just don't have that in our DNA. We should consider ourselves to be blessed if we can get Fahim to score 30 off 15 balls every 3-4 games at the death. We don't produce batting allrounders that bowl pace. It's always a bowling allrounder who can bat a bit.

    If Fahim can become that dependable pacer in the team, combined with a bit of power hitting at the death will make him a far more valuable commodity than Pandya will to India's cause. I still believe India sticks with Pandya because he provides them a fast bowling option. They don't really need Pandya's power hitting. Sharma and Kohli if they stay till the end are more than enough for power hitting. In fact every Indian batsman can power hit. But what India banks on is that one day Pandya's bowling will help them win matches. With the way Pandya is progressing as a bowler, I don't see that happening unless they enlist a Pakistani bowling coach. Pandya is pretty useless as a bowler.

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    This thread is comical ONLY because of one poster and it's funny because he makes fun of Pakistanis for overhyping (which is true in many cases).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    And PP had threads like,

    Kapil Dev v Abdul Razzaq (ODIs)

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...-Razzaq-(ODIs)
    Kapil Dev was an ordinary all rounder..A.Razzaq could certainly be compared to him at that time....K Dev was as good as W.Akram with the bat..
    Both great bowlers though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What excuses? He is only 24 years old, and has been the most exciting up and coming all-rounder since Stokes. He is coming along nicely, and Indians know how to develop their batsmen.
    Again..India does NOT need another batsman..they would rather have an all rounder who averages 20 but could bowl well..Pandya bowls worse than Bhatti...if his bowling cannot benefit India then he is of no use...Similar for Fahim,Pakistan needs his batting to click..Both are equally excitable all rounders and are on the same stage..

    Stop hyping Pandya..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What excuses? He is only 24 years old, and has been the most exciting up and coming all-rounder since Stokes. He is coming along nicely, and Indians know how to develop their batsmen.
    Just saying but it can be argued, historically speaking, Pakistan know how to develop their all-rounders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Again..India does NOT need another batsman..they would rather have an all rounder who averages 20 but could bowl well..Pandya bowls worse than Bhatti...if his bowling cannot benefit India then he is of no use...Similar for Fahim,Pakistan needs his batting to click..Both are equally excitable all rounders and are on the same stage..

    Stop hyping Pandya..
    They need a lower order hitter IMHO and he fits the bill perfectly. Ever since the decline of Dhoni and Yuvraj, from the little snippets of cricket I have seen from India, their innings seem to peter out if the top order big guns depart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What excuses? He is only 24 years old, and has been the most exciting up and coming all-rounder since Stokes. He is coming along nicely, and Indians know how to develop their batsmen.
    Faheem is the most exciting up and coming all-rounder since Imran Khan.

    He is only 23 and is coming along nicely, and Pakistanis know how to develop their pace bowling all rounders unlike India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    Oh gosh, this thread is still alive. Imagine the scenes when Pandya actually fails and gets dropped from the team while a particular poster is hailing him as possibly the future captain of India.

    Pandya though is a great talent. Anybody who disagrees with this should not watch cricket. But Pandya is not an all-rounder I'm sorry. Right now his bowling is as good as Thisara Perera's.

    Coming to the comparison of Fahim vs Pandya, I can bet that Fahim will never hit the heights of Pandya as a batsman because batsmen in our country are not groomed to become batsmen with great technique that can also hit out. We just don't have that in our DNA. We should consider ourselves to be blessed if we can get Fahim to score 30 off 15 balls every 3-4 games at the death. We don't produce batting allrounders that bowl pace. It's always a bowling allrounder who can bat a bit.

    If Fahim can become that dependable pacer in the team, combined with a bit of power hitting at the death will make him a far more valuable commodity than Pandya will to India's cause. I still believe India sticks with Pandya because he provides them a fast bowling option. They don't really need Pandya's power hitting. Sharma and Kohli if they stay till the end are more than enough for power hitting. In fact every Indian batsman can power hit. But what India banks on is that one day Pandya's bowling will help them win matches. With the way Pandya is progressing as a bowler, I don't see that happening unless they enlist a Pakistani bowling coach. Pandya is pretty useless as a bowler.
    Pandya hit high 140s in the SL test series in hot and humid conditions and snapped 4 wickets at an average of 23.75 whereas your 'phasht' bowlers trundled at 130s against same Lankans with even more depleted batting line up in UAE So in Tests, he is much better than even your main fast bowlers with current performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Faheem is the most exciting up and coming all-rounder since Imran Khan.

    He is only 23 and is coming along nicely, and Pakistanis know how to develop their pace bowling all rounders unlike India.
    Except that Fahim has done absolutely nothing so far, and he is being hyped up due to his batting potential and not bowling.

    Pakistan doesn't need Fahim's bowling; they need Fahim's batting. We will always have enough bowlers, but it is the lower-order hitting that is severely lacking.

    People are trying extremely hard to put Fahim and Pandya on an equal footing but the fact is that as of today, they are not. Pandya has played some brilliant knocks in the last few months and as long as Fahim doesn't replicate them, a comparison cannot be established much to the agony of our fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asif khan View Post
    Just saying but it can be argued, historically speaking, Pakistan know how to develop their all-rounders.
    Yeah, but we haven't been able to do it for a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Again..India does NOT need another batsman..they would rather have an all rounder who averages 20 but could bowl well..Pandya bowls worse than Bhatti...if his bowling cannot benefit India then he is of no use...Similar for Fahim,Pakistan needs his batting to click..Both are equally excitable all rounders and are on the same stage..

    Stop hyping Pandya..
    India definitely needs some batsmen in the middle-order. The likes of Dhoni and Yuvraj are almost done and Raina's best days are behind him. In addition, Jadhav, Pandey etc. are short-term answers, and they are even giving chances to a TTF like Karthik. India's masterclass top three is papering over the cracks, but their middle-order is certainly in a bit of a crisis at the moment.

    I am not hyping Pandya, I simply pointing out the fact that some of our fans are extremely desperate to kill off his hype but are failing miserably. Unfortunately their problem is not with Pandya but the fact that he is Indian. Learn to appreciate good talent irrespective of where it comes from.

    To say that both are "on the same stage" is a such a bad joke that it is not even funny. No, they are not on the same stage. Fahim is a completely nobody at the moment and no one even knows him outside Pakistan, while Pandya has made the headlines in the last few months with some fantastic innings. He has a huge head-start on
    Fahim.

    Fahim might struggle to play better knocks in his entire career. They are certainly not equally excitable at this stage, and unless Fahim manages to play the type of knocks that Pandya has, there is no point of comparing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Pandya hit high 140s in the SL test series in hot and humid conditions and snapped 4 wickets at an average of 23.75 whereas your 'phasht' bowlers trundled at 130s against same Lankans with even more depleted batting line up in UAE So in Tests, he is much better than even your main fast bowlers with current performance.
    He can walk into any team with his blowing alone.

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    Yes offcourse, Fahim hasn't done anything because he's hardly got a chance to bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    Yes offcourse, Fahim hasn't done anything because he's hardly got a chance to bat.
    True, but it doesn't mean that if he gets a chance he will replicate Pandya. He may or may not, but let's compare him only when he has some innings under his belt.

    Some people are convinced that Fahim is better than Pandya by default because he is Pakistani.

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    Why can't we just come back to this thread after a year or so? Both these players haven't played much. In Fahim's case the sample size is very small.

    Comparisons based on potential and talent are useless in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Pandya hit high 140s in the SL test series in hot and humid conditions and snapped 4 wickets at an average of 23.75 whereas your 'phasht' bowlers trundled at 130s against same Lankans with even more depleted batting line up in UAE So in Tests, he is much better than even your main fast bowlers with current performance.
    Yea okay Pandya is ATG might as well induct him into Hall of Fame already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    True, but it doesn't mean that if he gets a chance he will replicate Pandya. He may or may not, but let's compare him only when he has some innings under his belt.

    Some people are convinced that Fahim is better than Pandya by default because he is Pakistani.
    i think the comparison is valid though i do believe Pandya is the better batsmen and fahim is the better bowler. It's not like pandya has achieved so much that he can't be compared to faheem. Plus he is not being compared to someone like anwar ali. Only time will tell who will make it big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    i think the comparison is valid though i do believe Pandya is the better batsmen and fahim is the better bowler. It's not like pandya has achieved so much that he can't be compared to faheem. Plus he is not being compared to someone like anwar ali. Only time will tell who will make it big.
    Anwar Ali has done more with the bat so far than Fahim. Fahim's first challenge would be to prove that he is better than the other fake all-rounders we have tried in the recent past. Yes he hasn't had the opportunity yet, but let's wait till he actually does something before putting the cart before the horse.

    Whatever Pandya has achieved is still more than what Fahim has so far. He has played some outstanding innings and we have to see if Fahim gets anywhere close to that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Faheem is the most exciting up and coming all-rounder since Imran Khan.

    He is only 23 and is coming along nicely, and Pakistanis know how to develop their pace bowling all rounders unlike India.
    Yes which is why we have produced a dozen quality pace bowling all-rounders in the last two decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Anwar Ali has done more with the bat so far than Fahim. Fahim's first challenge would be to prove that he is better than the other fake all-rounders we have tried in the recent past. Yes he hasn't had the opportunity yet, but let's wait till he actually does something before putting the cart before the horse.

    Whatever Pandya has achieved is still more than what Fahim has so far. He has played some outstanding innings and we have to see if Fahim gets anywhere close to that level.
    Just to remind you that they are being compared as all rounders, not just as batsmens. You seem to act as if it's disrespectul for fahim to be compared to him. whatever pandya has achieved is that he has batted 20 times more then fahim. i am not saying fahim would achieve what pandya has achieved but, the comparison is valid as both of them are all rounders not batsmen.

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    According to new rules, all rounders are only judged on one of their skills. 🙃

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Except that Fahim has done absolutely nothing so far, and he is being hyped up due to his batting potential and not bowling.

    Pakistan doesn't need Fahim's bowling; they need Fahim's batting. We will always have enough bowlers, but it is the lower-order hitting that is severely lacking.

    People are trying extremely hard to put Fahim and Pandya on an equal footing but the fact is that as of today, they are not. Pandya has played some brilliant knocks in the last few months and as long as Fahim doesn't replicate them, a comparison cannot be established much to the agony of our fans.
    Faheem is the best lower order hitter in Pakistan which why he’s being hyped.

    Fully expecting him to play some brilliant knocks if given the opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Kapil Dev was an ordinary all rounder..A.Razzaq could certainly be compared to him at that time...
    Here you go ...


    "If this happens I will swim across the Charles River! In winter!" -- OZGOD on NZ batting 6 sessions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Anwar Ali has done more with the bat so far than Fahim. Fahim's first challenge would be to prove that he is better than the other fake all-rounders we have tried in the recent past. Yes he hasn't had the opportunity yet, but let's wait till he actually does something before putting the cart before the horse.

    Whatever Pandya has achieved is still more than what Fahim has so far. He has played some outstanding innings and we have to see if Fahim gets anywhere close to that level.
    Anwar Ali has done more than Pandya too in T20s. Pandya averages like 9 in 13 T20I innings.

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    I don't know much about Faheem and wouldn't want to comment on him. I don't believe in the theory that he is better than Hardik just because he did well against SL. I feel that Hardik has a long way to go before he can be compared to someone like Stokes. He needs to improve his bowling a lot and his batting needs to be more tighter if he needs to succeed in tests. His ODI batting is fine as he is expected to score quickly, he may or may not come off but again if we are depending on his batting then we are in trouble. His bowling though needs to be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Here you go ...
    Well if people can compare young Steyn with Akram then why not?

    statistically K.Dev was an average all rounder as good as Pollock but a legendary bowler no doubt..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Anwar Ali has done more with the bat so far than Fahim. Fahim's first challenge would be to prove that he is better than the other fake all-rounders we have tried in the recent past. Yes he hasn't had the opportunity yet, but let's wait till he actually does something before putting the cart before the horse.

    Whatever Pandya has achieved is still more than what Fahim has so far. He has played some outstanding innings and we have to see if Fahim gets anywhere close to that level.
    A.Ali played the best knock against SA in SA in 2013...I am pretty sure we had FB back then...You did not see anyone hyping him
    That knock was better than what Pandya has done in his entire career bashing spinners like Zaman and a third grade Aussie line up LOL

    You are disproving your own self and your idea about Pak fans is deluded...


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