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    Raise your words, not voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder... (Rumi)

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    Raise your words, not voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder... (Rumi)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post

    Looks like all the uppity Feminists have got her back, will be fun watching them all burn, cos this does not look good for Asma at all.

    Could be a hat trick of bad tweets for Sharmeen, following wanting to force people into refugee camps and then calling Imran a Womanizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    Looks like all the uppity Feminists have got her back, will be fun watching them all burn, cos this does not look good for Asma at all.

    Could be a hat trick of bad tweets for Sharmeen, following wanting to force people into refugee camps and then calling Imran a Womanizer.
    Tired of these hypocrite feminists wanabe liberals and how they protect each other when their sins are exposed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Tired of these hypocrite feminists wanabe liberals and how they protect each other when their sins are exposed.
    I've tried understanding them, seeing where they're coming from, but their politics are more suited to a more developed society, not one with rampant poverty where the majority of women are below the bread line,and care more about getting 3 meals and day and not whether a female politician should get 12 months or 9 months maternity leave.

    There's more bottles of hairspray than poor people invited to talk in their circles and society gatherings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    Looks like all the uppity Feminists have got her back, will be fun watching them all burn, cos this does not look good for Asma at all.

    Could be a hat trick of bad tweets for Sharmeen, following wanting to force people into refugee camps and then calling Imran a Womanizer.
    You can now trust fake liberals like Asma and Sharmeen to invoke "auraton ki izzat" wala argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    I've tried understanding them, seeing where they're coming from, but their politics are more suited to a more developed society, not one with rampant poverty where the majority of women are below the bread line,and care more about getting 3 meals and day and not whether a female politician should get 12 months or 9 months maternity leave.

    There's more bottles of hairspray than poor people invited to talk in their circles and society gatherings
    These feminists have more fruit in their shampoo than a poor woman does on her plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post

    Can you give some background to this story.

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    Look at this clown how he changed his views about rallies and jalsas because this time his PMLN is on roads...



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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Look at this clown how he changed his views about rallies and jalsas because this time his PMLN is on roads...

    I remember we raised voice when this clown was abducted by agencies and still think no one has any right to kidnap people like that regardless of their views.

    I can still tolerate likes of Raza Rumi who are at least somewhat decent and at times try to balance things. This Waqas Goraya is pure filth, pure propaganda machine using filthy language and abusive towards MOST people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    I remember we raised voice when this clown was abducted by agencies and still think no one has any right to kidnap people like that regardless of their views.

    I can still tolerate likes of Raza Rumi who are at least somewhat decent and at times try to balance things. This Waqas Goraya is pure filth, pure propaganda machine using filthy language and abusive towards MOST people.
    There is a whole group of these clowns posting trash and offensive stuff on social media and protecting each other. Goraya, Gul Bukhari and that Punjabi German girl are a few examples...


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    There is a whole group of these clowns posting trash and offensive stuff on social media and protecting each other. Goraya, Gul Bukhari and that Punjabi German girl are a few examples...
    Oh yeah, if there is anyone who is more annoying and filthy than Goraya, that's Gul Bukhari. I was blocked by her long time ago but still see her tweets appearing here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Oh yeah, if there is anyone who is more annoying and filthy than Goraya, that's Gul Bukhari. I was blocked by her long time ago but still see her tweets appearing here and there.
    She is writing qaseede about mian sahab rally on Twitter and heard she is in the rally on bike Bughaz-e-Imran main yeh liberals lete ja rahe hen someone should show them their earlier tweets and views about this type of road politics.


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    I called her Gul Patwari, sadly the name hasn't taken off like I thought it would, but I live in hope. Probably explains why she hasn't blocked me. But I live in hope for that too.

    Have you noticed the number of rent a liberals who keep using the "huge" to describe the crowds? every other word is "huge". Word of the day, as set by Maryam Safdar no doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    I called her Gul Patwari, sadly the name hasn't taken off like I thought it would, but I live in hope. Probably explains why she hasn't blocked me. But I live in hope for that too.

    Have you noticed the number of rent a liberals who keep using the "huge" to describe the crowds? every other word is "huge". Word of the day, as set by Maryam Safdar no doubt
    After seeing PATHETIC propaganda by this liberal group, i almost changed my twitter handle to "Liberal Patwari" but didn't want to lose my identity so kept my current one

    Check Imtiaz Alam's timeline, he called the first day rally as "HISTORIC" and kept bragging as if Nawaz Sharif has exposed the judges with these rallies.

    I feel liberal and educated community has responsibility of educating others but this Liberal Patwari group has totally changed the narrative to "Establishment conspiracy" in their hatred for fauj. Ironically many of these have called Nawaz Sharif a corrupt Zia's son as they have soft corner for PPP (which is more understandable).

    Very surprised to see Hamid Mir's role though, he is the person to blame establishment but has played totally neutral role even saying many times establishment is very neutral and they have nothing to do with this at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    I called her Gul Patwari, sadly the name hasn't taken off like I thought it would, but I live in hope. Probably explains why she hasn't blocked me. But I live in hope for that too.

    Have you noticed the number of rent a liberals who keep using the "huge" to describe the crowds? every other word is "huge". Word of the day, as set by Maryam Safdar no doubt
    Gul Patwari LMAO thanks will use it next time i see her posting trash


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    After seeing PATHETIC propaganda by this liberal group, i almost changed my twitter handle to "Liberal Patwari" but didn't want to lose my identity so kept my current one

    Check Imtiaz Alam's timeline, he called the first day rally as "HISTORIC" and kept bragging as if Nawaz Sharif has exposed the judges with these rallies.

    I feel liberal and educated community has responsibility of educating others but this Liberal Patwari group has totally changed the narrative to "Establishment conspiracy" in their hatred for fauj. Ironically many of these have called Nawaz Sharif a corrupt Zia's son as they have soft corner for PPP (which is more understandable).

    Very surprised to see Hamid Mir's role though, he is the person to blame establishment but has played totally neutral role even saying many times establishment is very neutral and they have nothing to do with this at all.
    The biggest disappointment so far for me is Mubashir Zaidi the dawn guy from zera hat ke show. He thinks Panama Leaks is global conspiracy created by our establishment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    After seeing PATHETIC propaganda by this liberal group, i almost changed my twitter handle to "Liberal Patwari" but didn't want to lose my identity so kept my current one

    Check Imtiaz Alam's timeline, he called the first day rally as "HISTORIC" and kept bragging as if Nawaz Sharif has exposed the judges with these rallies.

    I feel liberal and educated community has responsibility of educating others but this Liberal Patwari group has totally changed the narrative to "Establishment conspiracy" in their hatred for fauj. Ironically many of these have called Nawaz Sharif a corrupt Zia's son as they have soft corner for PPP (which is more understandable).

    Very surprised to see Hamid Mir's role though, he is the person to blame establishment but has played totally neutral role even saying many times establishment is very neutral and they have nothing to do with this at all.
    I've noticed that the majority of the 'rent a liberal' crowd are people I recognise as being fiercely pro Bhutto- Zardari/PPP on tv talk shows from 5-10 years ago, who've switched allegience to the fiercely right wing/conservative PMLN just to counteract all the left of centre support Imran Khan/PTI have gained in that time.

    And Hamid Mir is a strange one, one of the few people that Imran Khan follows on twitter, don't know if that plays a role in his rather neutral stance on issues concerning PTI in comparison to his other colleagues, in fact he backtracked on his comments on the Ayesha Gulalai messages he claimed he'd seen.

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    Panama Leaks exposed many specially some of these patwari liberals blaming deep state for everything 24/7. They are like those typical maulvis finding american sazish behind everything happening to muslims and pakistan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    I've noticed that the majority of the 'rent a liberal' crowd are people I recognise as being fiercely pro Bhutto- Zardari/PPP on tv talk shows from 5-10 years ago, who've switched allegience to the fiercely right wing/conservative PMLN just to counteract all the left of centre support Imran Khan/PTI have gained in that time.

    And Hamid Mir is a strange one, one of the few people that Imran Khan follows on twitter, don't know if that plays a role in his rather neutral stance on issues concerning PTI in comparison to his other colleagues, in fact he backtracked on his comments on the Ayesha Gulalai messages he claimed he'd seen.
    Funny to see conservatives and liberals sitting on same table to defend the mafia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Panama Leaks exposed many specially some of these patwari liberals blaming deep state for everything 24/7. They are like those typical maulvis finding american sazish behind everything happening to muslims and pakistan.
    No, that actually happens

    Idealism is in short supply in Pakistan, let alone just politics or journalism, It's why I rate Imran Khan, he atleast tries to stick to his principles, despite two parties and pretty much every journalist in the land trying to trip him over. There's an intense dislike and hatred for anyone who's solution oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    No, that actually happens

    Idealism is in short supply in Pakistan, let alone just politics or journalism, It's why I rate Imran Khan, he atleast tries to stick to his principles, despite two parties and pretty much every journalist in the land trying to trip him over. There's an intense dislike and hatred for anyone who's solution oriented.
    Some of our maluvi think ke unka lota be amreeka ne chori kerwaya he Imran isn't diplomatic he says whatever comes in his mind and what is right instead of selecting his words carefully to make everyone happy...

    Munafiq leaders are more successful in our country for a reason!


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Some of our maluvi think ke unka lota be amreeka ne chori kerwaya he Imran isn't diplomatic he says whatever comes in his mind and what is right instead of selecting his words carefully to make everyone happy...

    Munafiq leaders are more successful in our country for a reason!
    What a Jaahil ignorant people we are, if only the Pakistani populace knew the power they hold in making sure these politicians are accountable to them, that they have to keep the promises they make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    The biggest disappointment so far for me is Mubashir Zaidi the dawn guy from zera hat ke show. He thinks Panama Leaks is global conspiracy created by our establishment.
    Mubashir Zaidi was always a bit iffy but stays within tolerance level, i have had many conversations with him on twitter.

    Zarrar Khuhro is much neutral and balanced anchor, watch Zara Hut Kay mainly because of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Laal are hardcore communists which is a far cry from liberalism. The values espoused by communists are the exact opposite of liberalism. Waseem Altaf is an individual(fake profile), not some page or movement and his views are in no way representative of the average liberal.

    That said, I can understand liberals criticising IK more than they do others because while the others get their fair share of criticism and then some from all quarters, IK isn't held to anywhere near the same standard and his Modi-like fanbase has a tendency to gang up on and personally attack anyone critical of IK, regardless of how valid the criticism may be, which does fuel a lot of resentment, especially when you consider that unlike the others, whose supporters at least somewhat acknowledge their leaders' flaws, IK's supporters don't and instead personally attack his critics.

    In short, while your average liberal isn't a fan of Nawaz or Zardari any more than he is of IK, it's the in your face, uncivilized behavior of IK supporters that triggers people. I was going to say the best Urdu term to describe such supporters in bad tamper but honestly, badtahzeeb sounds more appropriate.
    I Know Waseem Altaf is a fake Id and thats why I wrote it as a page not a person because he hides his identity so me its just a page like Pakistani meme etc.Yes Laal are cmmunists but Taimur Rehman or his admins in pasts liked posts in which they are being called liberals.

    Btw a kid killed by Nawaz Shareef convoy but majority Paistani liberals as usual will remain mum.. If something similar had happened from Imran Khan's they would have taken social media by storm ..

    Kher my point is simple majority liberals in Pakistan have their own agendas and they are not what liberalism is, atleast for me; flexibility, open to hear different opinions/views..!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    I Know Waseem Altaf is a fake Id and thats why I wrote it as a page not a person because he hides his identity so me its just a page like Pakistani meme etc.Yes Laal are cmmunists but Taimur Rehman or his admins in pasts liked posts in which they are being called liberals.
    So if I called you an *insert expletive here*, would that make you one? There is nothing liberal about communism and the people who make these claims usually don't even know what liberalism is. These are the people who go around saying stuff like desi liberals, pseudo liberals and, my personal favorite, so called liberals.

    Btw a kid killed by Nawaz Shareef convoy but majority Paistani liberals as usual will remain mum.. If something similar had happened from Imran Khan's they would have taken social media by storm ..
    And what makes you say that? Nawaz Sharif represents the most extreme form of conservatism and is no friend of liberals. Man's a wahabi who's in bed with several terrorist organizations, the Saudi monarchy, and owes his existence to Zia ul Haq of all people. That pretty much checks every box needed to make liberals hate your guts. The claim of not a peep from liberals seems to be similar to how they're accused of ignoring Kashmir or Palestine every time they condemn persecution of minorities in Pakistan, i.e. a sweeping statement with no basis in fact but one that would stick nonetheless because (a) no one bothers to correct them and (b) the sheer disparity in numbers between liberals and conservatives means that enough people repeat it often enough for it to become true.

    Kher my point is simple majority liberals in Pakistan have their own agendas and they are not what liberalism is, atleast for me; openness , flexibility, acceptance of different opinions/views..!!!
    You don't get to pick and choose people's causes for them. The ground realities in Pakistan mean that liberals, who are already a minuscule minority in Pakistan with space for them shrinking every day, have to take positions that are, for lack of a better term, unconventional because, simply put, Pakistan is an unconventional place with very unique issues.


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    Correct me if i am wrong but who is standing next to Nawaz Sharif in Gujrat Jalsa? LEJ's Abid Raza Kotla? Why no uproar by "Liberal Brigade"? His pictures were there on all the welcome banners...



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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Correct me if i am wrong but who is standing next to Nawaz Sharif in Gujrat Jalsa? LEJ's Abid Raza Kotla? Why no uproar by "Liberal Brigade"? His pictures were there on all the welcome banners...

    Certainly looks like him, other sources reported as well.

    Teaches these liberals a good lesson, let's see how many of them speak up now or maybe it's all fine to defeat the bigger enemy i.e. Pak fauj.

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    Gul Patwari defending his beloved noora



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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Correct me if i am wrong but who is standing next to Nawaz Sharif in Gujrat Jalsa? LEJ's Abid Raza Kotla? Why no uproar by "Liberal Brigade"? His pictures were there on all the welcome banners...

    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Certainly looks like him, other sources reported as well.

    Teaches these liberals a good lesson, let's see how many of them speak up now or maybe it's all fine to defeat the bigger enemy i.e. Pak fauj.
    cc @DW44


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Gul Patwari defending his beloved noora

    She's right, he has become larger than life, but not how she wishes, he's a literal walking talking meme, the one of him giving his speech out of the container behind glass will carry on forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    cc @DW44
    My views on the Punjab brothers' links to terrorists are well known here. Never been an N League supporter, especially since they keep screwing over my province repeatedly to benefit theirs. I am anti army, not pro PML but I have only shame in admitting that if I have to chose between army and PML with a gun to my head, I'll take Nooras over those animals any day.

    That said, LeJ has so much legitimacy to begin with because they're army backed. Can a TTP member attend a political event like that? I still remember DG Rangers meeting openly with the head of ASWJ last moharram and uniformed army personnel at LeJ rallies last bakra eid
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    Edit^^ No shame, not 'only shame'.

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    Asma Jahangir now retweeting conspiracy theories against Jemima and Imran. Some of these liberals are showing their true face after Panama. They are typical maulvis by heart always finding conspiracies behind everything.

    Jemima reply




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    ^ but you are still a noora aka patwari goraya so education did no good to you...


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post



    Hahahahhaha so this goraya soraya has a degree from Oxford AND was a successful CEO of a multinational conglomerate. Hahahahah

    These liberal LMAO

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    Some of these liberals and atheists are no better thn extreme mullahs. Here are the 2 tweets that he deleted later and here he has clearly endangered the life of someone with 'murtad' allegations. I can't even post the screenshots of his other tweets the language he used to attacks Musharraf wife and daughter. If this is liberalism we most of Pakistanis are better without it. We don't need this $ht thanks





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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Some of these liberals and atheists are no better thn extreme mullahs. Here are the 2 tweets that he deleted later and here he has clearly endangered the life of someone with 'murtad' allegations. I can't even post the screenshots of his other tweets the language he used to attacks Musharraf wife and daughter. If this is liberalism we most of Pakistanis are better without it. We don't need this $ht thanks



    To be fair to liberals, this guy is a complete nutcase and extremist of liberals. Each and every of his post is against Army and mostly abusive and gets personal with everyone.

    Like most liberal these days, he is found defending and promoting Maryam Nawaz Sharif and PMLN in general and when he fails to defend them he disowns them and like Black Zero and others says "I am not a PMLN supporter"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    To be fair to liberals, this guy is a complete nutcase and extremist of liberals. Each and every of his post is against Army and mostly abusive and gets personal with everyone.

    Like most liberal these days, he is found defending and promoting Maryam Nawaz Sharif and PMLN in general and when he fails to defend them he disowns them and like Black Zero and others says "I am not a PMLN supporter"
    But but i am not a PMLN supporter is the defense of these desi liberals


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Hahahahhaha so this goraya soraya has a degree from Oxford AND was a successful CEO of a multinational conglomerate. Hahahahah

    These liberal LMAO
    What is IK's qualification?

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    Lol this guy is hilarious, spews filth everytime he opens his mouth and then blames others for trapping him

    Uses worst possible language against Musharaff and others but demands respect in return!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post



    Lol this guy is hilarious, spews filth everytime he opens his mouth and then blames others for trapping him

    Uses worst possible language against Musharaff and others but demands respect in return!
    Isterah ke logon ko koi ferq nae perta ke inki maa behen ko koi kia bole that's why they use this language for others because inka konsa deen imaan he jo ferq perega.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Some of these liberals and atheists are no better thn extreme mullahs. Here are the 2 tweets that he deleted later and here he has clearly endangered the life of someone with 'murtad' allegations. I can't even post the screenshots of his other tweets the language he used to attacks Musharraf wife and daughter. If this is liberalism we most of Pakistanis are better without it. We don't need this $ht thanks



    He used quote around the word Murad.
    On surface, it seems he is criticizing pakistani islamic laws.
    (may be related to current change in khatam nabowat law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    He used quote around the word Murad.
    On surface, it seems he is criticizing pakistani islamic laws.
    (may be related to current change in khatam nabowat law)
    It's murtad (Apostasy) writte nthere not murad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    It's murtad (Apostasy) writte nthere not murad.
    Sorry, murtad was changed to murad by auto correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    To be fair to liberals, this guy is a complete nutcase and extremist of liberals. Each and every of his post is against Army and mostly abusive and gets personal with everyone.

    Like most liberal these days, he is found defending and promoting Maryam Nawaz Sharif and PMLN in general and when he fails to defend them he disowns them and like Black Zero and others says "I am not a PMLN supporter"
    There's also the fact that he was abducted and tortured by the military for publicly criticizing their illegal activities not too long ago so he won't exactly be complimentary about them. Several others who went missing along with him and weren't fortunate enough to be citizens of an EU state like he is are still missing and at least some of them may well turn up dead in a few years like other critics of the army who disappeared like them have in the past. His criticism of the army has usually been on point and valid even if it's not presented in the most polite way (I like to think of him as the liberal counterpart of our very own Mian in terms of their manners), which, again, is understandable given the nature of their crimes in general and against his person specifically.

    Not aware of his pro PML-N comments but those don't concern me since he doesn't speak for me if he is indeed pro PML, a claim I'd still take with a grain of salt given the tendency here to label anti army views as pro PML.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    There's also the fact that he was abducted and tortured by the military for publicly criticizing their illegal activities not too long ago so he won't exactly be complimentary about them. Several others who went missing along with him and weren't fortunate enough to be citizens of an EU state like he is are still missing and at least some of them may well turn up dead in a few years like other critics of the army who disappeared like them have in the past. His criticism of the army has usually been on point and valid even if it's not presented in the most polite way (I like to think of him as the liberal counterpart of our very own Mian in terms of their manners), which, again, is understandable given the nature of their crimes in general and against his person specifically.

    Not aware of his pro PML-N comments but those don't concern me since he doesn't speak for me if he is indeed pro PML, a claim I'd still take with a grain of salt given the tendency here to label anti army views as pro PML.
    How conveniently you ignored his "murtad" tweet and consequences for the person mentioned in the tweet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    How conveniently you ignored his "murtad" tweet and consequences for the person mentioned in the tweet.
    Almost as conveniently as most posters of a certain political bend ignoring what the military did to him and the accompanying media campaign, started not coincidentally by Bol, labeling him and other abductees blasphemers. Almost as conveniently as how the same people defend the most corrupt and unaccountable entity in the country because it doesn't get along with the politicians these people hate. The faux concern over that tweet is a little ironic considering the kind of people usually responsible for the "consequences" you mentioned consider him a blasphemer and aren't likely to attack someone living in the UK based on claims made in a tweet by someone they want dead for his own perceived anti religion views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Almost as conveniently as most posters of a certain political bend ignoring what the military did to him and the accompanying media campaign, started not coincidentally by Bol, labeling him and other abductees blasphemers. Almost as conveniently as how the same people defend the most corrupt and unaccountable entity in the country because it doesn't get along with the politicians these people hate. The faux concern over that tweet is a little ironic considering the kind of people usually responsible for the "consequences" you mentioned consider him a blasphemer and aren't likely to attack someone living in the UK based on claims made in a tweet by someone they want dead for his own perceived anti religion views.
    Let me sum up your post in short "I will keep defending him and his extreme views because extremism is only deadly when a mullah with beard try to spread it".

    Thanks for your response i got my answer not going to quote you again on this topic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Let me sum up your post in short "I will keep defending him and his extreme views because extremism is only deadly when a mullah with beard try to spread it".

    Thanks for your response i got my answer not going to quote you again on this topic.
    Intellectual dishonesty all round. In no way, shape or form is he comparable to an extremist mullah. A mullah actively preaching that certain individuals or members of a certain community should be killed simply can't be compared to someone with strong anti army views that are backed by genuine concerns over their excesses. At no point has his brand of extremism, if we even accept the ridiculous premise that it is "extremism", resulted in someone getting killed.


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    These liberals are so confused





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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    These liberals are so confused




    First we should tell him that canada is not part of usa.

    Yesterday I was watching TV during lunch and there was no mention of pakistan in headlines.

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    Two major news related to 2 main liberal parties in Pakistan. PPP grabbing land owned by eidhi. ANP nazim threatening Mashal case witnesses.

    But but army is bad...


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Two major news related to 2 main liberal parties in Pakistan. PPP grabbing land owned by eidhi. ANP nazim threatening Mashal case witnesses.

    But but army is bad...
    And Taliban Khan delivering best speech by a Pak leader in support of minorities and against extremism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    And Taliban Khan delivering best speech by a Pak leader in support of minorities and against extremism.
    oh yea but thn he was captain obvious!


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    Massive SIX by Klasra!


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    Hahahha... front foot pe ahke cover drive


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    Two faced Asma.... bhai inn jaisay logon ko paisa khilao yeh kuch bhi bol diengaye...


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    Pak liberals touching new heights of hypocrisy and MUNAFIQAT, i mean i might be coming out as an extremist (even though i relate to genuine liberal views lot more) for pointing out munafiqat of our "Roshan khayaal" liberals

    I can't post what singer Qurat ul Ain Baloch said about Imran Khan as post will be deleted (worst possible language used) due to Ayesha Gulali's allegation that have so far been proven as fake, malicious propaganda and lies. She obviously got extreme reaction for her abusive tweet from PTI supporters and look at munafiqat of so called liberals who consider public figure QB's abuse as "opinion" and average supporters response as "abuse":








    There are countless other tweets from liberals who i can't post (unverified accounts) but these people are filthy, brainless and extremely biased. My problem is they have huge influence on media and unfortunately their negative mindset is impacting narrative in Pakistan.

    Asad Munir is actually quite decent but these people simply back each other for the sake of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Pak liberals touching new heights of hypocrisy and MUNAFIQAT, i mean i might be coming out as an extremist (even though i relate to genuine liberal views lot more) for pointing out munafiqat of our "Roshan khayaal" liberals

    I can't post what singer Qurat ul Ain Baloch said about Imran Khan as post will be deleted (worst possible language used) due to Ayesha Gulali's allegation that have so far been proven as fake, malicious propaganda and lies. She obviously got extreme reaction for her abusive tweet from PTI supporters and look at munafiqat of so called liberals who consider public figure QB's abuse as "opinion" and average supporters response as "abuse":








    There are countless other tweets from liberals who i can't post (unverified accounts) but these people are filthy, brainless and extremely biased. My problem is they have huge influence on media and unfortunately their negative mindset is impacting narrative in Pakistan.

    Asad Munir is actually quite decent but these people simply back each other for the sake of it.
    Yes just like Qazi Hamza Ali Abbasi saying 'koi thookta nahi hai Pakistan kay passport par' but never apologized for it and youthiyas started defending it. Then when asked about it they said 'theek hi tou bolraha hai'

    That was pretty filthy too. Is that really a tweet from a PTI supporter who never abuses anything? Not even our passport.

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    Klasra Sahab the same guy who posted a 'fake summon' from FIA against Mubashir Zaidi from Dawn News... a fake twitter account and a photoshopped summon that Zaidi never even received haha!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Klasra Sahab the same guy who posted a 'fake summon' from FIA against Mubashir Zaidi from Dawn News... a fake twitter account and a photoshopped summon that Zaidi never even received haha!!
    Lol Rauf Klasra is one of the few respected and neutral journalists around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Lol Rauf Klasra is one of the few respected and neutral journalists around.
    You can check his tweet history regarding this fake summon on MUbashir Zaidi

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Yes just like Qazi Hamza Ali Abbasi saying 'koi thookta nahi hai Pakistan kay passport par' but never apologized for it and youthiyas started defending it. Then when asked about it they said 'theek hi tou bolraha hai'

    That was pretty filthy too. Is that really a tweet from a PTI supporter who never abuses anything? Not even our passport.
    Hold on, where did Hamza Abbasi came into this? You are going on the basis of "Us vs them" like most extremists (liberals or mullahs) rather than logical debate. I didn't only criticise Hamza Abbasi on this issue but also his support for Hafiz Saeed, who said i will support everything he supports/says? He also took a brave stance that not many media personalities could take on tv i.e. to support Ahmadi rights and we all appreciated him.

    We were discussing hypocrisy and extreme bias of SOME liberals who defend pathetic language and abuse from a public figure terming it "Opinion" but they criticise response of average online supporters using similar or less offensive language.

    Salute if people can't see extreme hypocrisy and bias there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    You can check his tweet history regarding this fake summon on MUbashir Zaidi
    And that one mistake makes him completely dubious like the rest of the lifafa journalists?


    Do tune into his shows from time to time... he bashes everyone equally yet fairly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    And that one mistake makes him completely dubious like the rest of the lifafa journalists?


    Do tune into his shows from time to time... he bashes everyone equally yet fairly.
    Yes all journalists are lifafa besides the one who don't criticize PTI, or are in fact part of PTI.

    Klasra Sahab apparently has all insights on how Mohammad Nawaz Sharif gossips, talks, and he has all 'insiders.' You can't even tell if he's telling the truth sometimes. Most of the time what he says is 'hearsay' from his sources
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    While we are at it, let me show another example of what has happened on social media in last few hours.

    PMLN/GEO and affiliated liberals running another propaganda campaign against Imran Khan. Liberals like Marvi Sirmed and buddies insulting him calling all sorts of names because he criticises VIP culture and protocol. Imran Khan has been seen many times driving himself or with one car all around Pakistan but still he is compared with people who travel with 50 cars (even disqualified and disgraced former PM Sharif and his whole family).




    Now Khan is visiting a new police station and there are few policemen around him, what else do you expect to see in a police station? Police and security?

    Is this what you call protocol?
    Is this what he speaks against?
    Is this what you call VIP culture?

    Now VIP culture hasn't completely finished in KPK, takes years to change mentality but enough has been done to minimise it. KPK CM has been guilty of using helicopters and many PTI supporters called him out, he even apologised.
    Many KPK ministers (Education and health) have been stopped in Punjab without any protocol and even police couldn't recognise them, Punjab police even asked for money from one KPK minister

    Instead of appreciating step by step improvements, these so called educated liberals (full of hatred for Imran) criticise for anything and everything just because he speaks out against corruption Kings Nawaz and Zardari.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Hold on, where did Hamza Abbasi came into this? You are going on the basis of "Us vs them" like most extremists (liberals or mullahs) rather than logical debate. I didn't only criticise Hamza Abbasi on this issue but also his support for Hafiz Saeed, who said i will support everything he supports/says? He also took a brave stance that not many media personalities could take on tv i.e. to support Ahmadi rights and we all appreciated him.

    We were discussing hypocrisy and extreme bias of SOME liberals who defend pathetic language and abuse from a public figure terming it "Opinion" but they criticise response of average online supporters using similar or less offensive language.

    Salute if people can't see extreme hypocrisy and bias there.
    Yes Hamza Ali Abbasi is part of the same media industry. Granted he gets flak time to time for his unabashed views, however his supporters defend him time to time from whatever he says. QB used some words against Imran Khan, which are definitely condemnable. I don't think anyone has come out to defend her from her media industry. Even the so-called flagbearers of feminism like Mawra Hocane, Mahira Khan, Meesha Shafi that elite elite community'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    While we are at it, let me show another example of what has happened on social media in last few hours.

    PMLN/GEO and affiliated liberals running another propaganda campaign against Imran Khan. Liberals like Marvi Sirmed and buddies insulting him calling all sorts of names because he criticises VIP culture and protocol. Imran Khan has been seen many times driving himself or with one car all around Pakistan but still he is compared with people who travel with 50 cars (even disqualified and disgraced former PM Sharif and his whole family).




    Now Khan is visiting a new police station and there are few policemen around him, what else do you expect to see in a police station? Police and security?

    Is this what you call protocol?
    Is this what he speaks against?
    Is this what you call VIP culture?

    Now VIP culture hasn't completely finished in KPK, takes years to change mentality but enough has been done to minimise it. KPK CM has been guilty of using helicopters and many PTI supporters called him out, he even apologised.
    Many KPK ministers (Education and health) have been stopped in Punjab without any protocol and even police couldn't recognise them, Punjab police even asked for money from one KPK minister

    Instead of appreciating step by step improvements, these so called educated liberals (full of hatred for Imran) criticise for anything and everything just because he speaks out against corruption Kings Nawaz and Zardari.
    This is a protocol bhai jaan what else do you see here?

    If you looked at another picture this guy was speaking to the media while the police DG was standing behind him with his hands folded. In what capacity is Khan Sahab speaking here?

    Secondly I wouldn't mind Imran Khan hanging out with police officers but apparently Khan Sahab directly tweets about Maryam Nawaz whenever she has police constable with her. Remember that incident where that police officer presented phool to Maryam NAwaz during JIT proceedings? What was that?

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    Maybe thread title can be changed to "Hypocrisy of Pakistani liberals"? It's not even about Klasra or any individual.

    I am not against liberals in general (or liberalism) but these are opinion makers and their opinions form certain narratives. Their hypocrisy and bias make thing worse for Pakistan and must be highlighted.

    Our opinion on other extreme i.e. Mullahs is well documented on this forum so it doesn't hurt if we discuss other extreme as well i.e. Liberals who adopt same mantra "Either you agree with everything we say or you are an EXTREMIST" just like Mullahs "Either you support everything we say or you kafir".

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    This is a protocol bhai jaan what else do you see here?

    If you looked at another picture this guy was speaking to the media while the police DG was standing behind him with his hands folded. In what capacity is Khan Sahab speaking here?

    Secondly I wouldn't mind Imran Khan hanging out with police officers but apparently Khan Sahab directly tweets about Maryam Nawaz whenever she has police constable with her. Remember that incident where that police officer presented phool to Maryam NAwaz during JIT proceedings? What was that?
    No i am sorry, this is NOT protocol bhai jaan. He is visiting a newly opened police station and what you see around him is 8-10 police officers, many police stations have been attacked in the area and not everyone is there to give him so called VIP protocol, they are accompanying him as would doctors in hospital or teachers in a school.

    Please don't even start me on Maryam and Sharif family, do you know there are around 3000 security people protecting Sharif family? Do you know they spend hundreds of millions of rs on personal security? Even policemen get fired for failing to find their peacock and those who do find get rewarded? Maryam roams around with dozens of cars for being Sharif's daughter. These are the people who block roads and people even die while ambulances are blocked due to their movement??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    No i am sorry, this is NOT protocol bhai jaan. He is visiting a newly opened police station and what you see around him is 8-10 police officers, many police stations have been attacked in the area and not everyone is there to give him so called VIP protocol, they are accompanying him as would doctors in hospital or teachers in a school.

    Please don't even start me on Maryam and Sharif family, do you know there are around 3000 security people protecting Sharif family? Do you know they spend hundreds of millions of rs on personal security? Even policemen get fired for failing to find their peacock and those who do find get rewarded? Maryam roams around with dozens of cars for being Sharif's daughter. These are the people who block roads and people even die while ambulances are blocked due to their movement??
    Didn't people die in PTI rally in october 2016?

    Yes they have security, so does Imran Khan when he has a 40 car protocol going from Peshawar. Have you seen the videos? In what capacity does he have that security? Or in what capacity does he fly in a helicopter to avoid traffic? Isn't that what VVIP protocol is?

    You can give the same excuse for Sharifs : that there is life is in danger wherever they go?? But maybe its only halal in IK's case
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Didn't people die in PTI rally in october 2016?

    Yes they have security, so does Imran Khan when he has a 40 car protocol going from Peshawar. Have you seen the videos? In what capacity does he have that security? Or in what capacity does he fly in a helicopter to avoid traffic? Isn't that what VVIP protocol is?

    You can give the same excuse for Sharifs : that there is life is in danger wherever they go?? But maybe its only halal in IK's case
    Lol EXACTLY what i mentioned above, comparing 3000 people that guard THE SHARIFS and VIP protocols day in day out to one incident where some ministers came to receive Imran Khan at airport bringing their own security. Imran Khan asked minister not to receive him again after PTI supporters themselves raised the issue and it has stopped ever since at least in Imran Khan's case.
    This is just like i was discussing Pakistani and Australian police performance with an uncle the other day who defended Pakistani police saying, kya yahan Melbourne main kum chorian hoti hain?? I mean he wasn't entirely wrong but when you look at bigger picture, there is simply NO COMPARISON and it was amusing just like your comparison.

    Oh bhai it doesn't hurt if you appreciate Imran Khan's steps to reduce VIP protocols and massive wastage of government funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Lol EXACTLY what i mentioned above, comparing 3000 people that guard THE SHARIFS and VIP protocols day in day out to one incident where some ministers came to receive Imran Khan at airport bringing their own security. Imran Khan asked minister not to receive him again after PTI supporters themselves raised the issue and it has stopped ever since at least in Imran Khan's case.
    This is just like i was discussing Pakistani and Australian police performance with an uncle the other day who defended Pakistani police saying, kya yahan Melbourne main kum chorian hoti hain?? I mean he wasn't entirely wrong but when you look at bigger picture, there is simply NO COMPARISON and it was amusing just like your comparison.

    Oh bhai it doesn't hurt if you appreciate Imran Khan's steps to reduce VIP protocols and massive wastage of government funds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZldjtt0W30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bkoCbxaWoc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRA-JeEOWsA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FEY7KPsOE4


    Imran Khan - head of the PTI, a minister who is subserving a party chairman, why is the minister bound to provide security to a chairman of the party? In only one case, because the he is the only dictator/autocratic leader of the party, and you don't wanna be in the bad books of the leader.

    Imran khan can say no to protocol but he choses against it.

    All these examples are above of a party chairman, abusing his position in the party, and using government resoruces to his use.

    Pervez Khattak and his followers then follow suit, Imran Khan himself isn't aginst VIP protocol, so his ministers who are his sub-servient are also not against it. Example of Pervez Khattak landing with a helicopter in a domestic cricket match. If he is so against it why are his ministers not avoiding it whenever they get? Why are they still in command despite repeated misuse of resources

    VIP protocol is only not used when the camera is around by IK. Remember the Karachi Dharna of 2014... Imran Khan lands in Karachi in a Jehangir Tareen private jet, and then calls out against VIP protocol, and then goes in a line when going back to Islamabad, in a line to show he is going around without protocol.

    Just like his hypocrisy of introducing 'civil disobedience' to not pay electricity bills but then going back and paying his own electricity bills when he realized he won't electricity back home
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG1skgdgVNw

    The most hilarious and ridiculous thing you will see all day is Jahangir Tareen justifying his use of private jets.

    I mean he is acting as if him and Khan Sahab locking down cities was the right thing to do.

    Remember his Dharna ended up being a bust because of the Army Pubic school attack?

    Imran Khan was so busy trying to hold the whole country hostage, that all of the province's priorities were focused towards Islamabad and the APS happened.

    Mr. Private jet and his cronies are probably even embarrassed to talk about what happened during the and aftermath of Pakistan Dharnas of 2014.

    Many times questions are evaded from PTi regarding civil disobedience and how he wanted Nawaz Sharif to resign/rather than talking about rigging of elections

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