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    Kevin Pietersen vs Alastair Cook - Who will go down as the better Test player?

    While one of them is widely regarded as a big match player, better against top quality bowling attacks and has an all round game,
    the other guy has longevity and temperament to survive longer.

    Who do you think is a superior test batsmen between the two?

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    Kevin. as he can singlehandedly dominate and change the match

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    Cook,due to the sheer amount of runs he has scored.

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    Cook is an ATG in tests for me. I don't rate KP as an ATG

    Cook will go down as the better test batsmen imo.

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    KP, easily.

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    KP.

    Though Cook often built the foundation for KP's big innings.

    Cook will be the biggest English test run scorer in history by a big margin.

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    Cook. KP has made his name as a big hitter in T20s whereas Cook has been a Test veteran. Yes KP could take you to the cleaners but Cook will constantly whittle you away at his pedestrian pace. Not to mention the a,ount of runs Cook has scored.

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    KP, modern Sir Viv. Would have had an even better career if Vaughan handled him a bit longer then he did


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    This is a tough one, I obviously prefer watching Pietersen bat as he was truly box office. However, both batsmen were instrumental in Australia and India in 2010 and 2012 respectively, Cook perhaps more so. If Cook manages to have a great tour at the end of the year, I'd probably plump for him. As it stands it's probably KP for sheer exuberance.

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    Cook can't play quality seamers if his life depended on it.


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    Cook shouldn't have gotten the extended run he had when he was [and may still be] very inconsistent and failed long enough to be dropped.

    Cook reminds of Ian Bell but marginally better. Cook wouldn't have gotten a longer rope than Bell if he wasn't captain when there were no obvious alternatives.

    Kevin is the best batsman England has produced in the last 25 years or more.

    Dominant, destructive and a clear match winner. Has won England test matches on the back of his bat. Few batsmen have done it in his generation in Tests. Has played arguably the best innings by an English batsman [e.g. Mumbai] since the oldie days.

    Cook's a poor man's Chanderpaul. Or a luckier Collingwood. Hard working grafter, ugly to watch and crucial in the top 6. Shiv single-handedly carried WI's batting post-Lara. Cook's been luckier and isn't really among the best 6 batsmen in England for a while.

    Dropping KP over Cook is a major failure of the ECB's management. He seemed get along fine with every other team he played in and had the respect of the Surrey management and dressing room, and various T20 leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefthanded View Post
    Dropping KP over Cook is a major failure of the ECB's management. He seemed get along fine with every other team he played in and had the respect of the Surrey management and dressing room, and various T20 leagues.
    Notts? Hampshire? England? Started to build up a trend at any team he spent a significant time around and wasn't just there practically solely as a t20 mercenary for a short period. Managed to annoy the management so much at Notts that the coach chucked his bag off the dressing room balcony, left Hampshire in a bit of a tantrum after they refused to pick him for a game as a warm up prior to the ashes and for the domestic t20 final and then obviously the saga with England.

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    I choose Pieterson. His innings against India on rank turners was out of this world. He also plays seamers pretty well.

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    Apple to orange comparison..

    Different positions different roles

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    KP hands down. When KP came to bat, you would see the opposition team's worried face. They way he carried himself around, striked fear. Cook on the other hand, is a Polite, soft boy who quietly scores runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Notts? Hampshire? England? Started to build up a trend at any team he spent a significant time around and wasn't just there practically solely as a t20 mercenary for a short period. Managed to annoy the management so much at Notts that the coach chucked his bag off the dressing room balcony, left Hampshire in a bit of a tantrum after they refused to pick him for a game as a warm up prior to the ashes and for the domestic t20 final and then obviously the saga with England.
    Can't argue with your post and appreciate you correcting me.

    So he was clearly difficult, but not unmanageable as notable in some teams at least.

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    [Also, his ex-captain Michael Vaughan has consistently argued that he was not impossible and completely manageable.]

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    I don't know who KP is but I'll go for chef

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Notts? Hampshire? England? Started to build up a trend at any team he spent a significant time around and wasn't just there practically solely as a t20 mercenary for a short period. Managed to annoy the management so much at Notts that the coach chucked his bag off the dressing room balcony, left Hampshire in a bit of a tantrum after they refused to pick him for a game as a warm up prior to the ashes and for the domestic t20 final and then obviously the saga with England.
    You can't do that in cricket,it's a team sport and KP is deluded to that fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefthanded View Post
    Cook shouldn't have gotten the extended run he had when he was [and may still be] very inconsistent and failed long enough to be dropped.

    Cook reminds of Ian Bell but marginally better. Cook wouldn't have gotten a longer rope than Bell if he wasn't captain when there were no obvious alternatives.

    Kevin is the best batsman England has produced in the last 25 years or more.

    Dominant, destructive and a clear match winner. Has won England test matches on the back of his bat. Few batsmen have done it in his generation in Tests. Has played arguably the best innings by an English batsman [e.g. Mumbai] since the oldie days.

    Cook's a poor man's Chanderpaul. Or a luckier Collingwood. Hard working grafter, ugly to watch and crucial in the top 6. Shiv single-handedly carried WI's batting post-Lara. Cook's been luckier and isn't really among the best 6 batsmen in England for a while.

    Dropping KP over Cook is a major failure of the ECB's management. He seemed get along fine with every other team he played in and had the respect of the Surrey management and dressing room, and various T20 leagues.
    A bit harsh on chef although I would agree that KP was definitely a superior player of the two.

    Cook has mostly been overshadowed by KP in the first half of his career and now Root in his second half. In between there was a two year gap i.e. 2013 and 2014 where he struggled heavily with the bat and also with captaincy although he did well to make a comeback from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefthanded View Post
    Cook shouldn't have gotten the extended run he had when he was [and may still be] very inconsistent and failed long enough to be dropped.

    Cook reminds of Ian Bell but marginally better. Cook wouldn't have gotten a longer rope than Bell if he wasn't captain when there were no obvious alternatives.

    Kevin is the best batsman England has produced in the last 25 years or more.

    Dominant, destructive and a clear match winner. Has won England test matches on the back of his bat. Few batsmen have done it in his generation in Tests. Has played arguably the best innings by an English batsman [e.g. Mumbai] since the oldie days.

    Cook's a poor man's Chanderpaul. Or a luckier Collingwood. Hard working grafter, ugly to watch and crucial in the top 6. Shiv single-handedly carried WI's batting post-Lara. Cook's been luckier and isn't really among the best 6 batsmen in England for a while.

    Dropping KP over Cook is a major failure of the ECB's management. He seemed get along fine with every other team he played in and had the respect of the Surrey management and dressing room, and various T20 leagues.
    Eh?

    Cook is better than Bell because he has constructed so many platforms for England innings down the yearis, instead of failing to do a repair job and only getting a ton after some one else does higher up.

    If Cook is a poor man's Chanderpaul, he is doing the decent thing and copping all the flak at #1 instead of hiding down the order behind the lesser players.

    No such thing as luck over a career. Cheffy is an England hero.

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    Props always to the guy who played multiple formats.

    Cook = one trick pony who averaged under the watermark number of 50 in the one format he chose to feature in.

    As captain he has been defeated badly in India (4-0), UAE (2-0), West Indies (1-1), Australia (5-0), New Zealand (0-0).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Props always to the guy who played multiple formats.

    Cook = one trick pony who averaged under the watermark number of 50 in the one format he chose to feature in.

    As captain he has been defeated badly in India (4-0), UAE (2-0), West Indies (1-1), Australia (5-0), New Zealand (0-0).
    Wow, I forgot about those searing 1-1 and 0-0 losses. What a massive margin of defeat.

    Conveniently you omit his Ashes win and his victory in India, the first in over twenty years.

    We English and Pakistanis look forward to the day when he goes past Tendulkar's run aggregate!

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    KP easily

    No comparison


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    Cook. A personal favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Cook can't play quality seamers if his life depended on it.
    This statement is an oxymoron.

    Everyone struggles vs quality seam bowling. If said bowling is getting smashed it ain't quality.

    Cook gets the job done and scores like there is no tomorrow. That too, in England

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    Cook was better against spin but KP had the ability to dominate pace attacks in a way Cook could not. Take his innings against SA at Headingley in 2012.

    Cook is a nudger and a nurdler, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'd buy a ticket to watch KP every day.

    Cook though is as stubborn and mentally resilient as they come. He's been written off so many times but has always bounced back.

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    It's like comparing Boycott with Gower. Stylistically and temperamentally very different, both very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Wow, I forgot about those searing 1-1 and 0-0 losses. What a massive margin of defeat.
    Losing a game in the West Indies in this day and age should be a searing loss to remember. And the tour to New Zealand came around when they were #8 and England was #1 - another opportunity missed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Conveniently you omit his Ashes win and his victory in India, the first in over twenty years.
    Beating Australia at home is hardly a feat, it's the 5-0 that counts especially when Cook and more or less the same teammates had won there the last time around under Strauss. The win in India was admittedly good in spite of India's decline, but it was Cook's first series as test captain and at that point he didn't have too much mental baggage.

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    Beating Australia at home is hardly a feat, it's the 5-0 that counts especially when Cook and more or less the same teammates had won there the last time around under Strauss. The win in India was admittedly good in spite of India's decline, but it was Cook's first series as test captain and at that point he didn't have too much mental baggage.
    Beating Australia is tough in England. Look at their record here.

    Cook's side in Australia was creaking at many seams. He had no settled opening partner; the KP explosion was imminent; Trott was mentally ill; Bell, Prior and Swann were finished as test players; Anderson played two tests with a cracked rib; Flower was at the end of his job life and out of ideas.

    Australia managed to get their Rhino and their Johnno firing at the same time and the whole edifice split apart. Only Broad and Stokes did well.

    Cook came back from that drubbing to rebuild in two years and win the Ashes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Cook can't play quality seamers if his life depended on it.
    Do you remember KP trying to play Asif?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Beating Australia is tough in England. Look at their record here.
    Australia's record in England this century:

    2001: Win
    2005: Loss
    2009: Loss
    2013: Loss
    2015: Loss

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    By the way, I forgot to mention the test match loss to Bangladesh as well. Not too flash as captain was Cook.

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    kp any day. cook is an average player like anderson and broad who have good stats because of playing so many matches at home. kp is one of the best batsman in history. right handed lara.

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    I will take KP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FreePalestine View Post
    Do you remember KP trying to play Asif?
    do you remember kp smashing mcgrath and steyn? asif was a genius and any batsman can struggle against him. cook fails against any pacer who can swing the ball at a decent pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Eh?

    Cook is better than Bell because he has constructed so many platforms for England innings down the years, instead of failing to do a repair job and only getting a ton after some one else does higher up.

    If Cook is a poor man's Chanderpaul, he is doing the decent thing and copping all the flak at #1 instead of hiding down the order behind the lesser players.

    No such thing as luck over a career. Cheffy is an England hero.
    Fair enough. It wasn't fair to compare him to Bell. I think Collingwood was better at those repair jobs than Bell.

    I can’t ask that question without taking some things into account.

    Cook had a devotee style backing of a professional board, before and all through his captaincy. With an unenviable amount of support. Think of how stupidly they wanted Cook to be captain in WC '15 that they persisted with him till the last minute. No one thought that was a good idea, but that's how absurdly devoted the ECB has been to Cook.

    On the other hand, Shiv didn’t have that for most, if not all of his career.

    We all know how the WICB handles things. How they've ruined or shortened more than one career.

    Cook didn’t deal with that kind of professional instability. The only career ECB has ruined in the recent memory, is KP’s. And we know that was eventually settled by ECB putting up their Chef on a pedestal. [Remember the weird ye olde England, ‘noble’ and ‘good’ man with ‘values’ that ECB said made him the best choice?].

    Cook, for most of his career has batted in an XI with Strauss, Trott, KP, Collingwood*, and now the likes of Root, Bairstow, etc. Bowlers have included a world class attack: Anderson, Broad, Flintoff, Graeme Swann etc.

    Cook ‘won’, in India because of the spinners and KP.

    Shiv was beginning his career when Walsh/Ambrose were in their twilight, Lara was ascendant and in Shiv's last dozen years, WI didn’t have a threatening bowling attack at all.

    We know that as Lara's star grew, around him were only the likes of underdeveloped talents like Marlon Samuels, and Ronnie Sarwan.

    Heck, even Darren Sammy was batting at #7 and bowling dibbly dobblies. Gayle was around for most of it, but threw his wicket a lot or scored too quickly too often to leave West Indies with too much time in the game they couldn't win.

    So, It’s hard for me to imagine how Cook would succeed if he had played for a similar board in a similarly ****** team.

    Purely on the terms of batting order, I can't disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    A bit harsh on chef although I would agree that KP was definitely a superior player of the two.

    Cook has mostly been overshadowed by KP in the first half of his career and now Root in his second half. In between there was a two year gap i.e. 2013 and 2014 where he struggled heavily with the bat and also with captaincy although he did well to make a comeback from it.

    Good point and I don't disagree at all.

    For me it's a good way to talk about Cook. A very good player dwarfed one great, and one on the foothills of greatness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Wow, I forgot about those searing 1-1 and 0-0 losses. What a massive margin of defeat.

    Conveniently you omit his Ashes win and his victory in India, the first in over twenty years.

    We English and Pakistanis look forward to the day when he goes past Tendulkar's run aggregate!
    Go on Robert !
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    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Go on Robert !
    @KingKhanWC
    Rabbit punch by Robert, what a legend

    I agree with him it's only a matter of time before Cook passes Tendu's runs in test cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Rabbit punch by Robert, what a legend

    I agree with him it's only a matter of time before Cook passes Tendu's runs in test cricket.
    It's actually a blessing that Root is the captain now, my only concern is that Cook is no where near as selfish as Sachin which may hinder him going past that record. England cricket players do not hang around when the writing is on the wall, the team always comes first.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    It's actually a blessing that Root is the captain now, my only concern is that Cook is no where near as selfish as Sachin which may hinder him going past that record. England cricket players do not hang around when the writing is on the wall, the team always comes first.
    Yes this is the big issue, a lean spell for Cook and he will hang up his boots. Sachin didn't think of retiring until he reached his century milestone. Cook is still physically very fit, has great mental strength so could do it.


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    Do you think Cook has surpassed KP in tests now?

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    Kp is better

    Cook's recent perfo's makes the gap wider imo

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    This is very close. They're both neck and neck but only Cook still has a chance to push on ahead and become England's best batsman of this decade.

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    Close really. I thought of picking Cook because of longevity but then I cant really recall a single inning of Cook and say this was a masterclass like I can say for KP's Mumbai, Oval and Headingley.

    Ofcourse, it is always consistency which bothers me more than those random great innings but Cook doesn't have that much enough to put him ahead of KP.

    KP it is for me. I might pick Cook some other day though. Both impactful for England but with plenty of flaws too.

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    Who is England's greatest modern-day batsmen - Kevin Pietersen or Alastair Cook?

    Arguably two of the best batsmen of their generation, who is the England greatest modern-day batsmen between the two- KP or Cook?

    While KP thrived against the best bowling attacks, Cook has longevity on his side. Who would you pick?

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    Cook in tests, KP overall.

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    KP. But remember that he benefitted from the platforms which Strauss and Cook built for him, wearing the bowlers down.

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    KP was more dominant player but premature end to his English career counldnt fulfil his potentials.

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    Cook in Tests,Pietersen in LOI’s,although he was quite good in tests as well.

    If we simply have to choose between them I would choose KP as he was a more dynamic batsman who could simply take the game away from the opposition

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    KP by a distance, but still did not quite fulfil his potential. He falls short of the ATG status because he did not finish with a 50+ average in Test cricket and therefore was not a player who contributed consistently. But certainly he was a big match player and is one of the first names on the teamsheet in an all-time England XI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    KP. But remember that he benefitted from the platforms which Strauss and Cook built for him, wearing the bowlers down.
    NOnsense. That would be true for gilchrist or ponting.

    COok won’t survive good bowlers to tire them down.

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    Difficult choice but I will go for KP. He had much bigger impact than Cook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thejedi View Post
    NOnsense. That would be true for gilchrist or ponting.

    COok won’t survive good bowlers to tire them down.
    12,000 runs and 32 test centuries say otherwise.

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    Pietersen over Cook and not because he scores quicker.

    Against strong bowling attacks Pietersen is much more likely to score runs than Cook. Against moderate to weak bowling attacks both will do well but Cook likely to cash in more, which is why he only averages 2 less than pietersen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    KP by a distance, but still did not quite fulfil his potential. He falls short of the ATG status because he did not finish with a 50+ average in Test cricket and therefore was not a player who contributed consistently. But certainly he was a big match player and is one of the first names on the teamsheet in an all-time England XI.
    Thanks to ECB and others for not letting KP finish on a high.

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    It has to be Pieterson but again Cook isn't a bad player either. One of the best opening batsmen in world cricket.

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    KP dominated ATG bowlers. Cook is a walking wicket against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Rabbit punch by Robert, what a legend

    I agree with him it's only a matter of time before Cook passes Tendu's runs in test cricket.

    Sadly I don’t think Chef will make it. The gap is still 3500 runs and I don’t think he has enough gas left in the tank. He has slowed down a lot in the last two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    12,000 runs and 32 test centuries say otherwise.
    Says that he can score against weak attacks.

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    KP slight edge due to quality knocks. Pretty close however

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thejedi View Post
    Says that he can score against weak attacks.
    Oh come on. You don’t get that many test runs without overcoming some very good bowling at least some of the time. He got 766 runs in an Ashes series featuring Johnson, Harris and Siddle. That was the Johnson who had just monstered SA away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Oh come on. You don’t get that many test runs without overcoming some very good bowling at least some of the time. He got 766 runs in an Ashes series featuring Johnson, Harris and Siddle. That was the Johnson who had just monstered SA away.
    Why won't you pick Cook over KP given KP has 4K lesser runs and also averages just slightly more than Cook even though latter is the opener?

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    Seems like Kevin Pieterson is ahead of this one and rightfully so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Why won't you pick Cook over KP given KP has 4K lesser runs and also averages just slightly more than Cook even though latter is the opener?
    More destructive player, scored faster, demoralised the opposition, got England into winning positions very fast. My point is he would have found these things harder without Strauss and Cook, and Trott too. It’s a team game.
    Last edited by Robert; 14th June 2018 at 05:49.

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    They are both very good but I would have to say Kevin Pietersen as he is capable of changing a game in just 1 or 2 sessions.

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    KP was perhaps globally the best batsman from 2005-15, and not just england. The number of matches he has won by himself and the presence he had on the pitch was comparable to Viv Richards.


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