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    Virat Kohli's ODI average by country

    Away nations

    Australia- 50.05
    Bangladesh- 80.83
    England- 52.46
    New Zealand- 62.16
    South Africa- 45.57
    Sri Lanka- 35.56
    West Indies- 45.46
    Zimbabwe- 60.83

    Guess where he has the worst average? His favourite opponent, Sri Lanka LOL. The only place where is average is below 45, by the way

    And finally, India- 58.39

    Away average overall- 48.89
    Neutral average- 60.03

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    Virat sucks bro. He pads his stats against weak opponents.

    Remember, he choked in the CT finals against Pak? The knock against Pak just 1 week before that does not count.



    All of the above stats are made up by Virat fan boys.

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    Narrow minded fans are limited to eating up statistical propaganda which lacks context.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Virat sucks bro. He pads his stats against weak opponents.

    Remember, he choked in the CT finals against Pak? The knock against Pak just 1 week before that does not count.



    All of the above stats are made up by Virat fan boys.
    What the hell...all these stats are from cricinfo. If Kohli sucks who's better than him in ODIs right now? Nobody except Amla and ABD are even comparable

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    ok so one bad stat in one country that so on dead wickets. But on wickets like NZ, SA, Eng, and Aus, those are magnificent avgs.

    You really gonna define Virat's career based upon his innings in Sri Lankan and not based upon the other 4 mentioned countries where the pitches assist pace, swing and bounce.


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    Great. So how did these averages help him in the CT 2017 Final and the CWC 15 Semi as well as the 8 ODI Tournament Finals in which he averages a monumental 22? BUTBUT a magnificent 123* chasing SLs 247 in the 2nd ODI of a meaningless series is all it takes to be a great player, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    Great. So how did these averages help him in the CT 2017 Final and the CWC 15 Semi as well as the 8 ODI Tournament Finals in which he averages 22?
    The only active players who average above 40 in tournament finals (min 5 matches) are Dhoni and Warner....

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    The only active players who average above 40 in tournament finals (min 5 matches) are Dhoni and Warner....

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
    And how many average above Virat Kohli's monumental 22? BTW, LOL on the fact that I had to go to Page 3 to finally find his name. Just sums up his absolute lack of fight when the stakes are high tbh.
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    So he failed in SL and also failed in one match in CT final. Useless player.


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    Some people who bash Kohli for choking in finals secretly worship Amla (for different reasons) and that's highly hypocritical.

    Anyway Kohli deserves all of the criticism he's getting. I don't care but it's important that two faced people are exposed.


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    Elementary level statistics hide a lot of Kohli's flaws. Let's start by looking at his averages in Australia, England and South Africa against the HOME team. Bashing Lankan trundlers in Australia is no big feat.

    Then let's try and look at his average in wins under the abovementioned parameters. You'll find that he averages a measly 20 in such wins, leading us to the conclusion that Kohli is yet to win his team a match in Australia, England and South Africa, against their respective home teams.

    Not to mention his absolutely hilarious chokes at the biggest stages such as the 2015 WC semi-final and the iconic 2017 CT final.

    Great at chasing 300 in India though.


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    The reason why Kohli's record in high-stake games is questioned is because there are a group of his fans that proclaim he is already an ATG, or go as far as to say that he is the GOAT in ODIs.

    No point in making such claims until the end of his career.

    If he continues doing what he's doing, he will definitely finish amongst the top ODI players ever. But I don't think he can be called the greatest without a monumental knock on the biggest stage, or at least some good performances overall. Currently, there is a disparity between his ODI record and his record in tournament finals that he needs to rectify. The ball is in his court because he probably has a long career ahead of him.


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    These stats means nothing as far as odis are concerned.

    In odis what matters is:

    Performance in WC and big tournaments
    Performance vs quality bowling attack
    Match winning ability
    Ability to score as per situation demands i.e. to pace the inning and then go all guns blazing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Elementary level statistics hide a lot of Kohli's flaws. Let's start by looking at his averages in Australia, England and South Africa against the HOME team. Bashing Lankan trundlers in Australia is no big feat.

    Then let's try and look at his average in wins under the abovementioned parameters. You'll find that he averages a measly 20 in such wins, leading us to the conclusion that Kohli is yet to win his team a match in Australia, England and South Africa, against their respective home teams.

    Not to mention his absolutely hilarious chokes at the biggest stages such as the 2015 WC semi-final and the iconic 2017 CT final.

    Great at chasing 300 in India though.

    Amla's scores in his last 3 50 over icc knockout games.

    10 vs NZ in WC semi 2015
    1 vs England in CT semi final
    7 vs NZ WC quater final WC 2011

    So what do you call these scores? You will find every excuse instead of calling it choking. If you want to call Kohli a choker that's upto you, but if he's a choker for failing in 2 icc knockout games , why isn't Amla?

    It's clear you have double standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Amla's scores in his last 3 50 over icc knockout games.

    10 vs NZ in WC semi 2015
    1 vs England in CT semi final
    7 vs NZ WC quater final WC 2011

    So what do you call these scores? You will find every excuse instead of calling it choking. If you want to call Kohli a choker that's upto you, but if he's a choker for failing in 2 icc knockout games , why isn't Amla?

    It's clear you have double standards.
    It's the opposite actually. No surprise that you're not bright enough to get it. If a few of you posters are always attacking Amla and AB for their chokes, how can you not call Kohli out for the same thing?

    If I'm being serious, Amla ans Kohli are both on the same level as of now. They have their strengths and are two of the great ODI players but also have their weaknesses which prevents them from getting to the level of Viv, AB, Sachin and Ponting. Yes, they haven't shined at the biggest stages but then again, several great players haven't (Inzamam, Dhoni and even Sachin for his twin WC final failures) barring the odd innings here and there.

    Kohli is only 28 so he'll get a few more chances to rectify this but Amla only has one more shot in 2019.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    ok so one bad stat in one country that so on dead wickets. But on wickets like NZ, SA, Eng, and Aus, those are magnificent avgs.

    You really gonna define Virat's career based upon his innings in Sri Lankan and not based upon the other 4 mentioned countries where the pitches assist pace, swing and bounce.
    I was a hater before he scored a magnificent 100 against us in Napier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    The reason why Kohli's record in high-stake games is questioned is because there are a group of his fans that proclaim he is already an ATG, or go as far as to say that he is the GOAT in ODIs.

    No point in making such claims until the end of his career.

    If he continues doing what he's doing, he will definitely finish amongst the top ODI players ever. But I don't think he can be called the greatest without a monumental knock on the biggest stage, or at least some good performances overall. Currently, there is a disparity between his ODI record and his record in tournament finals that he needs to rectify. The ball is in his court because he probably has a long career ahead of him.
    Don't agree with your assessment. By that assessment there a lot of ODI ATG's who never scored in tournament semi-finals/finals or never got the opportunity to play in them.

    With all due respect, these are double standards from Pak fans. Where inzi's repeated failure in 1999 WC , 2003 WC & 2007 WC are washed away because of his 1992 innings and he is regularly hailed as clutch player right? But virat's performances in ever WC since 2011 aren't counted because he could not make it big in semi-final of two of the four limited overs WC he has played in despite heavily performing in the rest of the tournament

    His fault in him being not being rated in PP is not because of his lack of clucth innings but that he is not a pakistani. If we can make inzi god after 1992 and wash his sins in the rest of the 4 WC's & CT's he got to play in his 378 match career, we would surely made a god out of virat had he played for us.

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    Kohli has failed in BIG matches of late because of captaincy, where so many other things goes around in his mind besides batting. Remember he did so well last World T20 under Dhoni... (of course he had a bad 2015 WC) But he can do well in such big matches if he is relieved from captaincy... It is not just big matches, he is failing even in normal matches as captain (Easy Pitches/Matches where someone like Nair scored 300, so he should have scored 500!)

    Kohli is just not a good captain-batsman for sure! You will continue to see his downfall!

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    Easily an ATG ODI batsman.

    The rest of his career will determine if he ends as the GOAT. A great WC 2019 would seal the deal in my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    Don't agree with your assessment. By that assessment there a lot of ODI ATG's who never scored in tournament semi-finals/finals or never got the opportunity to play in them.

    With all due respect, these are double standards from Pak fans. Where inzi's repeated failure in 1999 WC , 2003 WC & 2007 WC are washed away because of his 1992 innings and he is regularly hailed as clutch player right? But virat's performances in ever WC since 2011 aren't counted because he could not make it big in semi-final of two of the four limited overs WC he has played in despite heavily performing in the rest of the tournament

    His fault in him being not being rated in PP is not because of his lack of clucth innings but that he is not a pakistani. If we can make inzi god after 1992 and wash his sins in the rest of the 4 WC's & CT's he got to play in his 378 match career, we would surely made a god out of virat had he played for us.
    Well, you need to understand that the bar set for Kohli is not Inzy. There is no comparison between the two.Kohli is levels ahead.Even Pakistanis would accept.

    When the bar set is as big as Viv, then such criticism are about to come.Now that bar is set by the fans and when results arent up to that level, such criticism are bound to come.Same was the case with ABD in 2015 when he was at his all time peak and same posters were critising his fans for the comparison with Viv which itself wasn't unfair at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Well, you need to understand that the bar set for Kohli is not Inzy. There is no comparison between the two.Kohli is levels ahead.Even Pakistanis would accept.

    When the bar set is as big as Viv, then such criticism are about to come.Now that bar is set by the fans and when results arent up to that level, such criticism are bound to come.Same was the case with ABD in 2015 when he was at his all time peak and same posters were critising his fans for the comparison with Viv which itself wasn't unfair at that time.
    Sure I agree with you but the statement that he isn't an ODI ATG doesn't hold any weight. Being GOAT is up for discussion & that can only be stated clearly when he has hung up his boots. We may never know what he might do or not do in the future considering that he still has lots of time to play international cricket.

    When you say that Viv is superior to him, it holds completely true at this point in kohli's career but when somebody says that he isn't even an odi ATG, then they are completely wrong & biased & should switch to watch some other sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    Sure I agree with you but the statement that he isn't an ODI ATG doesn't hold any weight. Being GOAT is up for discussion & that can only be stated clearly when he has hung up his boots. We may never know what he might do or not do in the future considering that he still has lots of time to play international cricket.

    When you say that Viv is superior to him, it holds completely true at this point in kohli's career but when somebody says that he isn't even an odi ATG, then they are completely wrong & biased & should switch to watch some other sports
    Most posters here will agree that kohli is an odi ATG. Its just that people go to a limit where they try to put down the idols of other fans who are putting down or discarding the achievements of formers idols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    It's the opposite actually. No surprise that you're not bright enough to get it. If a few of you posters are always attacking Amla and AB for their chokes, how can you not call Kohli out for the same thing?

    If I'm being serious, Amla ans Kohli are both on the same level as of now. They have their strengths and are two of the great ODI players but also have their weaknesses which prevents them from getting to the level of Viv, AB, Sachin and Ponting. Yes, they haven't shined at the biggest stages but then again, several great players haven't (Inzamam, Dhoni and even Sachin for his twin WC final failures) barring the odd innings here and there.

    Kohli is only 28 so he'll get a few more chances to rectify this but Amla only has one more shot in 2019.

    Amla and ABD get attacked for choking because they have played a lot of icc tournaments and failed in most knockout games. At least Kohli has scored in some knockout games and also in the world t20.

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    The only ATG batsmen who played well in finals were Ponting and Viv.
    Tendulkar was horrible when it came to pressure matches. So really can't blame Kohli

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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    Don't agree with your assessment. By that assessment there a lot of ODI ATG's who never scored in tournament semi-finals/finals or never got the opportunity to play in them.

    With all due respect, these are double standards from Pak fans. Where inzi's repeated failure in 1999 WC , 2003 WC & 2007 WC are washed away because of his 1992 innings and he is regularly hailed as clutch player right? But virat's performances in ever WC since 2011 aren't counted because he could not make it big in semi-final of two of the four limited overs WC he has played in despite heavily performing in the rest of the tournament

    His fault in him being not being rated in PP is not because of his lack of clucth innings but that he is not a pakistani. If we can make inzi god after 1992 and wash his sins in the rest of the 4 WC's & CT's he got to play in his 378 match career, we would surely made a god out of virat had he played for us.
    You didn't get my post at all.

    I said I don't want to apply these tags at the moment (he's 28 and has several years ahead of him), and that he would undoubtedly be an all-time great in ODI cricket if he kept up his performances. This is a separate issue to my initial point.

    Anyway, your comparison with Inzi is not relevant here because no one ever said he is the greatest of all-time, which are assertions being thrown around about Kohli freely. Inzi is considered a great by most, but there is a difference standard for a 'great' and the 'greatest of all time'. There's plenty of cricketers who are considered greats of the game but only a select few who are considered to be contenders for the greatest.

    My main point is that to be rated amongst the very best, i.e. the likes of Viv, Sachin, etc., he'll need to do a lot better in high-stake games. I don't doubt his ability to do so. But his current record in these games is relatively poor compared to his overall record, which is why many disagree with blanket statements about Kohli being the GOAT.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    Don't agree with your assessment. By that assessment there a lot of ODI ATG's who never scored in tournament semi-finals/finals or never got the opportunity to play in them.

    With all due respect, these are double standards from Pak fans. Where inzi's repeated failure in 1999 WC , 2003 WC & 2007 WC are washed away because of his 1992 innings and he is regularly hailed as clutch player right? But virat's performances in ever WC since 2011 aren't counted because he could not make it big in semi-final of two of the four limited overs WC he has played in despite heavily performing in the rest of the tournament

    His fault in him being not being rated in PP is not because of his lack of clucth innings but that he is not a pakistani. If we can make inzi god after 1992 and wash his sins in the rest of the 4 WC's & CT's he got to play in his 378 match career, we would surely made a god out of virat had he played for us.


    Just to add to your point. Inzzy is touted as a big pressure player.

    Inzzy in WC ---- avg 23 [ 35 ODIs ]
    Inzzy in Finals - avg 29 [ 35 ODIs ]

    That's 60-70 sample size. Inzzy even went missing in all venues against top 2 sides of his career.


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    Throw dirt as much as you can, VIRAT is already GOAT and pakistan can suck up we dont have a batter like him adios. Babar has potential to be half virat kohli

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    unbelievable record by an unbelievable player
    All that Kohli nahi huta tujh se Chase was for fun because internally each Pakistani knew that if one batsman in the universe could chae 340 in the Final it was Kohli ..
    All of those bashing for a low avg in the Final are hypocrites because if its Final it shouldn't matter whatever the format is and i remember VK scoring 70 in world t20 final and VK has also consistently performed in Semis too..that Knock vs SA in world t20 SF 2014 was Def of a GOAT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana View Post
    All of those bashing for a low avg in the Final are hypocrites because if its Final it shouldn't matter whatever the format is and i remember VK scoring 70 in world t20 final and VK has also consistently performed in Semis too..that Knock vs SA in world t20 SF 2014 was Def of a GOAT
    Sorry but T20Is are a different format.

    Otherwise let's anoint Marlon Samuels as the GOAT for having played two brilliant knocks in WT20 finals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakCricket View Post
    Throw dirt as much as you can, VIRAT is already GOAT and pakistan can suck up we dont have a batter like him adios. Babar has potential to be half virat kohli
    Not yet. He either gets underrated or overrated in PP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Narrow minded fans are limited to eating up statistical propaganda which lacks context.

    I agree,Can't even play swing

    Don't know why people rate him more then Sachin when Sachin was a much better player

    Virat is just an immature toddler that feels he can swear,Scream,Misbehave,Act aggressive with bad intent and he makes stupid bold decisions in the hope it pays off so everyone can say Virat,Virat,Virat,Virat,Virat and also he is a show off.

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    Virat lets get Anderson and Broad

    Putar bat for A day I'll rate you

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    Its quite hilarious to see Pakistani fans dismiss Non-ICC event stats as useless and at the same time they swear by 73-52 when talk shifts to India-Pakistan comparison and try to water down the 6-0 WC streak ... funny people


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Amla and ABD get attacked for choking because they have played a lot of icc tournaments and failed in most knockout games. At least Kohli has scored in some knockout games and also in the world t20.
    No one cares about T20s and no one is accusing Kohli of choking in the mickey mouse format, just like no one in their right mind would question Amla and AB's mental fortitude and determination in the premier format. Don't mix formats here.

    As for ODIs, there is no difference between the performances of Amla and Kohli in the big tournaments. If one is a choker then so is the other. AB has done quite well so he's not part of the discussion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    Sure I agree with you but the statement that he isn't an ODI ATG doesn't hold any weight. Being GOAT is up for discussion & that can only be stated clearly when he has hung up his boots. We may never know what he might do or not do in the future considering that he still has lots of time to play international cricket.

    When you say that Viv is superior to him, it holds completely true at this point in kohli's career but when somebody says that he isn't even an odi ATG, then they are completely wrong & biased & should switch to watch some other sports
    How is he an ATG when he hasn't won his team a single game in Australia, England, South Africa or Pakistan against the home team?

    Those are four of the best cricketing teams along with India, against whom he obviously can't bat, and the best bowling attacks as well. If he is yet to play a single match-winning knock against any of them away, how is he already an ATG?

    Let's wait until Kohli's average of 20 in wins against Australia, England and South Africa increases before anointing him with the same tag that bonafide match-winners like Viv, AB and Sachin have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    No one cares about T20s and no one is accusing Kohli of choking in the mickey mouse format, just like no one in their right mind would question Amla and AB's mental fortitude and determination in the premier format. Don't mix formats here.

    As for ODIs, there is no difference between the performances of Amla and Kohli in the big tournaments. If one is a choker then so is the other. AB has done quite well so he's not part of the discussion.

    People do are about t20s stop acting as though it's an irrelevant format. Obviously it's irrelevant when Kohli scores in it.

    Kohli scored in the semi final vs Bangladesh, Amla has failed in all knockout games LOL. You will come with excuses that it was a low score etc. But Amla couldn't even score when chasing 200 odd vs NZ. So scoring in a low scoring game in a knockout game isn't as easy as you will make out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    People do are about t20s stop acting as though it's an irrelevant format. Obviously it's irrelevant when Kohli scores in it.

    Kohli scored in the semi final vs Bangladesh, Amla has failed in all knockout games LOL. You will come with excuses that it was a low score etc. But Amla couldn't even score when chasing 200 odd vs NZ. So scoring in a low scoring game in a knockout game isn't as easy as you will make out.
    "Scored against BANGLADESH"

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    "Scored against BANGLADESH"
    Reminds me of when I used to wrestle with my brother pretending that I was wrestling Kevin Owens but in fact it was a a little kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    People do are about t20s stop acting as though it's an irrelevant format. Obviously it's irrelevant when Kohli scores in it.

    Kohli scored in the semi final vs Bangladesh, Amla has failed in all knockout games LOL. You will come with excuses that it was a low score etc. But Amla couldn't even score when chasing 200 odd vs NZ. So scoring in a low scoring game in a knockout game isn't as easy as you will make out.
    Yes, people who don't know anything about cricket care about T20s just as much as they care about ODIs. Fo answer this though, if T20s are being brought into this, why not test matches? Just because Kohli has choked in test matches as well? LOL. Remember the Adelaide game?

    200-odd? Are you talking about the 2011 WC QF where he got terrible unlucky? Any batsman would have scored the soft runs Kohli scored in that semi-final against a team clearly out of their depth. Oh, and one more thing, Kohli has zero centuries in the CT and just a single one in WCs against a decent team. That too after Pakistan gifted his three chances and it was the most scratchy Kohli innings ever. 28 centuries and just one against a decent team in WCs or CTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Its quite hilarious to see Pakistani fans dismiss Non-ICC event stats as useless and at the same time they swear by 73-52 when talk shifts to India-Pakistan comparison and try to water down the 6-0 WC streak ... funny people
    Was it you that was laughing when Pakistan lost to India in the opening match and was arrogant just like your Indian media and ex players that pakistan can never beat India in a big match what happend now eh.
    And you are calling us funny people haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistan cricket fan View Post
    Was it you that was laughing when Pakistan lost to India in the opening match and was arrogant just like your Indian media and ex players that pakistan can never beat India in a big match what happend now eh.
    And you are calling us funny people haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    "Scored against BANGLADESH"

    That's who the semi final was against. It's not Kohli's fault that Australia or NZ couldn't qualify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Reminds me of when I used to wrestle with my brother pretending that I was wrestling Kevin Owens but in fact it was a a little kid.



    Yes, people who don't know anything about cricket care about T20s just as much as they care about ODIs. Fo answer this though, if T20s are being brought into this, why not test matches? Just because Kohli has choked in test matches as well? LOL. Remember the Adelaide game?

    200-odd? Are you talking about the 2011 WC QF where he got terrible unlucky? Any batsman would have scored the soft runs Kohli scored in that semi-final against a team clearly out of their depth. Oh, and one more thing, Kohli has zero centuries in the CT and just a single one in WCs against a decent team. That too after Pakistan gifted his three chances and it was the most scratchy Kohli innings ever. 28 centuries and just one against a decent team in WCs or CTs.

    But when Amla scored against Sri Lanka, you was praising that knock. Bangladesh are a better team than SL plus it was a semi final.


    Lol so if you want to bring tests into why not bring his winning performances vs England recently? Why not talk about Amla's choke today then? At least Kohli got a century LOL.

    Yes everytime Kohli scores it's soft but when Amla scores the wickets become minefields and the bowlers become atgs and world beaters .

    And Amla has never scored in an icc knockout game LOL. Scoring against in an India vs Pakistan game is a big thing as it's a pressure game. Doesn't matter how many chances he got he still scored. Amla was dropped vs India in the recent CT game still couldn't take advantage. Kohli's job isn't to worry about the fielding. Also plenty of great innings have had catches dropped in them, will you downplay those innings? No you won't because it doesn't suit your agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Nope wasn't me.
    Ok sorry then.

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    How come the average is low against SL despite many hundreds against them? Be interesting to see, What's his amount of centuries vs each countries..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    That's who the semi final was against. It's not Kohli's fault that Australia or NZ couldn't qualify.
    Yeah sure, he's the goat now for scoring runs against mighty Bangladesh who were arguably team of the tournament


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Yeah sure, he's the goat now for scoring runs against mighty Bangladesh who were arguably team of the tournament

    I never said he is the goat for that innings. The point I was making was he scored in the semi final which is a pressure game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    I never said he is the goat for that innings. The point I was making was he scored in the semi final which is a pressure game.
    What happened in the next game? it would have been nice if BD were playing in the final


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    What happened in the next game? it would have been nice if BD were playing in the final

    Yes he failed . I am capable of admitting when a favourite of mine does badly. Unlike you and Bilal who find every excuse under the sun when your favourite players fail.

    I don't have a problem with your opnion on Kohli. You don't need to think he is an atg. But when you make out as though he's some sort of amutuer who can't hold a bat and say he's never scored under pressure that's what I have problem with. Yes he does need to improve in icc tournaments, but he has scored in some important games and he has carried India's LO batting for a while now. He deserves credit for that.


    If he carries on like he is now he will finish as an atg imo. For him to finish as the odi goat, he will need to score big an icc final.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    What happened in the next game? it would have been nice if BD were playing in the final

    Lol what I have realised is once I say something you agree with , you will stop debating and wait till I say something which you don't agree with and carry on debating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Yes he failed . I am capable of admitting when a favourite of mine does badly. Unlike you and Bilal who find every excuse under the sun when your favourite players fail.

    I don't have a problem with your opnion on Kohli. You don't need to think he is an atg. But when you make out as though he's some sort of amutuer who can't hold a bat and say he's never scored under pressure that's what I have problem with. Yes he does need to improve in icc tournaments, but he has scored in some important games and he has carried India's LO batting for a while now. He deserves credit for that.


    If he carries on like he is now he will finish as an atg imo. For him to finish as the odi goat, he will need to score big an icc final.
    Not really you do a bhangra over a guy who scores against the likes of Bangladesh and you call that being objective, it's sickening and disgusting if am totally honest. I've always been balanced regardless of who the player is, he's a good batsman I've never said he's an amateur but when people advocate his greatness based on superficial statistics out of context and making wild predictions then that doesn't sit well with me.

    He's lucky to have played in 8 finals yet has a HS of just 43 in a game reduced to 20 overs but I give him credit for that knock. Has a big weakness against lateral movement and most of his big performances have been in soft situations, he also has the luxury of a pro-batting era and is not in a class of his own compared to contemparies.

    So I won't throw around the atg tag so easily or make predictions that he will be an atg, I have many favourites you ever see me claim they will be atg etc I don't make premature comments having studied this sports history.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Not really you do a bhangra over a guy who scores against the likes of Bangladesh and you call that being objective, it's sickening and disgusting if am totally honest. I've always been balanced regardless of who the player is, he's a good batsman I've never said he's an amateur but when people advocate his greatness based on superficial statistics out of context and making wild predictions then that doesn't sit well with me.

    He's lucky to have played in 8 finals yet has a HS of just 43 in a game reduced to 20 overs but I give him credit for that knock. Has a big weakness against lateral movement and most of his big performances have been in soft situations, he also has the luxury of a pro-batting era and is not in a class of his own compared to contemparies.

    So I won't throw around the atg tag so easily or make predictions that he will be an atg, I have many favourites you ever see me claim they will be atg etc I don't make premature comments having studied this sports history.

    Come on if someone is as consistent as he is in odis people will start to talk about him as a great player. It's peoples opnion at the end of the day.

    He has a problem vs the moving ball but it's something which can be corrected and most odi games are played on flat pitches so it's not like he gets a chance to perform regularly on such pitches.

    So calling someone a future great is enough to wind you up? Wow didn't know you was so sensitive . If scoring 28 centuries by the age of 28 isn't someone on his way to being a great I don't know what is. Before you bring flat pitches and rubbish bowlers excuses. Why has no one else done the same if so easy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Come on if someone is as consistent as he is in odis people will start to talk about him as a great player. It's peoples opnion at the end of the day.

    He has a problem vs the moving ball but it's something which can be corrected and most odi games are played on flat pitches so it's not like he gets a chance to perform regularly on such pitches.

    So calling someone a future great is enough to wind you up? Wow didn't know you was so sensitive . If scoring 28 centuries by the age of 28 isn't someone on his way to being a great I don't know what is. Before you bring flat pitches and rubbish bowlers excuses. Why has no one else done the same if so easy?
    So now after being exposed you are saying that you advocate Kohli scoring soft runs to "wind people up" very pathetic to be honest, but at least you have admitted your ignorance. A narrow minded future ATG prediction is your best retort says it all really, your views are supported by hypothetical fantasies which also explains why you overly rate Chokli at present


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    So now after being exposed you are saying that you advocate Kohli scoring soft runs to "wind people up" very pathetic to be honest, but at least you have admitted your ignorance. A narrow minded future ATG prediction is your best retort says it all really, your views are supported by hypothetical fantasies which also explains why you overly rate Chokli at present

    My opnion is this. He is on his way to being atg, for him to finish as a goat he needs to score in an icc final. That is my opnion. This is an opnion which most hold on this forum.

    If a player who has scored nearly 30 centuries by 28 isn't on his way to being an atg I don't know who is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    My opnion is this. He is on his way to being atg, for him to finish as a goat he needs to score in an icc final. That is my opnion. This is an opnion which most hold on this forum.

    If a player who has scored nearly 30 centuries by 28 isn't on his way to being an atg I don't know who is.
    Well if majority of Ameicans think Muslims are terrorists it doesn't make it true does it. He's a world class batsman and I give him credit for his feats, but not like he's performing in the likeness of Bradman compared to others so I can't say he is better then Viv etc I also have to factor in how well has has done in the few instances he is met with a real challenge because it is a pro-batting era while others had it tougher in the past. Based on what I've seen so far I can't say he will end as an ATG but am not saying he can't get there either, and statistics can be misleading; that is not the metric I use alone


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Well if majority of Ameicans think Muslims are terrorists it doesn't make it true does it. He's a world class batsman and I give him credit for his feats, but not like he's performing in the likeness of Bradman compared to others so I can't say he is better then Viv etc I also have to factor in how well has has done in the few instances he is met with a real challenge because it is a pro-batting era while others had it tougher in the past. Based on what I've seen so far I can't say he will end as an ATG but am not saying he can't get there either, and statistics can be misleading; that is not the metric I use alone

    Lol I never said he was better than Viv or Bradman.

    Most of the batting pitches nowadays are flat anyway so he hardly gets a chance to play on a sporting pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol I never said he was better than Viv or Bradman.

    Most of the batting pitches nowadays are flat anyway so he hardly gets a chance to play on a sporting pitch.
    I could pull the threads full of worship after that hundred against WI's in fact you claimed I had been exposed after he scored that hundred lmao Am not sure if people are actually serious.

    I was comparing how far ahead Bradman was with his contemparies to Kohli in this era, there's not as big a gulf between Kohli, ABDV, Smith, ABDV etc

    Yeah they are but he needs to do well when met with a challenge, it was flat in the final but Amir still got the ball to do a bit somehow and if he had done well I'd have taken my hat off to him honestly
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I could pull the threads full of worship after that hundred against WI's in fact you claimed I had been exposed after he scored that hundred lmao Am not sure if people are actually serious.

    I was comparing how far ahead Bradman was with his contemparies to Kohli in this era, there's not as big a gulf between Kohli, ABDV, Smith, ABDV etc

    Yeah they are but he needs to do well when met with a challenge, it was flat in the final but Amir still got the ball to do a bit somehow and if he had done well I'd have taken my hat off to him honestly

    Lol it was all banter brother. I knew Virat would score in the final game after a failure in the 4th one.

    Okay fair enough. I rate Smith as the best batsmen in the world right now anyway.

    Honestly India never had a chance of chasing that score in the final vs that Pakistan attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol it was all banter brother. I knew Virat would score in the final game after a failure in the 4th one.

    Okay fair enough. I rate Smith as the best batsmen in the world right now anyway.

    Honestly India never had a chance of chasing that score in the final vs that Pakistan attack.
    It was tough ask but at the very least I do respect what he has achieved in this era so he was a key wicket and the one player who had potential to chase that target so when he failed I had to criticise him for not standing up and he doesn't get a pass; if it had been any Pakistani player whom I had high expectations from then I'd have said the same. All the Indians had faith in him if not in any other player in their line up as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    It was tough ask but at the very least I do respect what he has achieved in this era so he was a key wicket and the one player who had potential to chase that target so when he failed I had to criticise him for not standing up and he doesn't get a pass; if it had been any Pakistani player whom I had high expectations from then I'd have said the same. All the Indians had faith in him if not in any other player in their line up as well.

    Lol I think Indians gave him enough critiscm. And we saw from the 1st game in the tournament what happens when Pakistan fail vs India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    How is he an ATG when he hasn't won his team a single game in Australia, England, South Africa or Pakistan against the home team?

    Those are four of the best cricketing teams along with India, against whom he obviously can't bat, and the best bowling attacks as well. If he is yet to play a single match-winning knock against any of them away, how is he already an ATG?

    Let's wait until Kohli's average of 20 in wins against Australia, England and South Africa increases before anointing him with the same tag that bonafide match-winners like Viv, AB and Sachin have.
    His odi stats speak for themselves in those countries. Regarding AUS, his bowlers have always been clobbered there and india has lost on more than occasion despite posting 300 plus scores. For england, he was exceptionally good in 2011 odi series, again the england team as whole was better than india in series & didn't let them win single game. Regarding winning matches against pakistan in pak, he will probably never get a chance to do that in his career because we gonna need more than decade to convince other teams to visit us let alone india.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    How is he an ATG when he hasn't won his team a single game in Australia, England, South Africa or Pakistan against the home team?

    Those are four of the best cricketing teams along with India, against whom he obviously can't bat, and the best bowling attacks as well. If he is yet to play a single match-winning knock against any of them away, how is he already an ATG?

    Let's wait until Kohli's average of 20 in wins against Australia, England and South Africa increases before anointing him with the same tag that bonafide match-winners like Viv, AB and Sachin have.
    This nonsense has been going on for a while that only performances against these select countries in their backyard count. Brainwashing much ?

    But to answer your question here is why Kohli is regarded as the best chaser

    List of players involved in most 300+ chases in ODI's :
    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team

    As you can see Kohli is already at No.3

    Now it doesnt mean that MSD did well in all those 11 ODIs ... it just means that he played in those matches where India succesfully chased more than 300 runs batting 2nd

    Now lets look at Kohli's contributions in each of those 9 inngs

    Link:
    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...m;view=results

    So I went thru each match and noted Kohli's contribution and the target

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/535798.html 329 VK=183

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/467886.html 314 VK=0

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/895815.html 331 VK=8

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/518966.html 321 VK=133* ( Chased in 36.4 Overs due to NRR Situation needed for qualification to final )

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...h/1034819.html 350 VK=122

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/647259.html 350 VK=115

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/430889.html 315 VK=107

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/647251.html 359 VK=100 of 52 chased in 43.3

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521220.html 298 VK=35

    While we are at it I also looked the matches we lost/tied batting second but the team still crossed 300+

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/895813.html 348 VK=106 (Lost)

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/565812.html 325 VK=15 (lost)

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...h/1034823.html 320 VK=55 (lost)

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/667645.html 314 VK=6 (tied)

    I see a total of 6+1 = 7 hundreds batting second in chases involving more than 300 runs.

    Now a question to you ... go find me another player that comes even remotely close in terms hundreds and 50s. Not Ponting not Tendulkar Not Lara Not AB and certainly Not Viv have manged this. This is why he is rated highly as the best chaser in the history of the game.

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    BUMP, Kohli now has 40+ ODI average in every single nation he has played

    Australia- 50.05
    Bangladesh- 80.83
    England- 52.46
    India- 58.39
    New Zealand- 62.16
    South Africa- 45.57
    Sri Lanka- 40.68
    West Indies- 45.46
    Zimbabwe- 60.83

    It's the same as Tendulkar's Test record (40+ average in all countries)

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    ^

    Means nothing when you choke twice in 2 balls in an ODI tournament final and average 22 in 8 ODI Tournament Finals overall. Meaningless stats in an era of tons of meaningless ODIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    This nonsense has been going on for a while that only performances against these select countries in their backyard count. Brainwashing much ?

    But to answer your question here is why Kohli is regarded as the best chaser

    List of players involved in most 300+ chases in ODI's :
    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team

    As you can see Kohli is already at No.3

    Now it doesnt mean that MSD did well in all those 11 ODIs ... it just means that he played in those matches where India succesfully chased more than 300 runs batting 2nd

    Now lets look at Kohli's contributions in each of those 9 inngs

    Link:
    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...m;view=results

    So I went thru each match and noted Kohli's contribution and the target

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/535798.html 329 VK=183

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/467886.html 314 VK=0

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/895815.html 331 VK=8

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/518966.html 321 VK=133* ( Chased in 36.4 Overs due to NRR Situation needed for qualification to final )

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...h/1034819.html 350 VK=122

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/647259.html 350 VK=115

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/430889.html 315 VK=107

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/647251.html 359 VK=100 of 52 chased in 43.3

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/521220.html 298 VK=35

    While we are at it I also looked the matches we lost/tied batting second but the team still crossed 300+

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/895813.html 348 VK=106 (Lost)

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/565812.html 325 VK=15 (lost)

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...h/1034823.html 320 VK=55 (lost)

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/667645.html 314 VK=6 (tied)

    I see a total of 6+1 = 7 hundreds batting second in chases involving more than 300 runs.

    Now a question to you ... go find me another player that comes even remotely close in terms hundreds and 50s. Not Ponting not Tendulkar Not Lara Not AB and certainly Not Viv have manged this. This is why he is rated highly as the best chaser in the history of the game.

    QED


    The top TEN in that list features EIGHT Indian batsmen. The other two are Indian bowlers. Do you know why Viv, AB, Ponting, Amla, Lara, Bevan etc haven't chased as many 300+ scores?

    It is because none of those guys play their home matches on the easiest ODI batting tracks in the world. As expected, not a single one of those seven centuries in wins has come in Australia, England, South Africa or the UAE against the home team.

    Virat Kohli will be nothing more than a great FTB/HTB if all he does is bully teams at home or on the flat tracks of countries like Australia and Bangladesh. He does have time on his side, so I feel that he will eventually get over this hurdle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post


    The top TEN in that list features EIGHT Indian batsmen. The other two are Indian bowlers. Do you know why Viv, AB, Ponting, Amla, Lara, Bevan etc haven't chased as many 300+ scores?

    It is because none of those guys play their home matches on the easiest ODI batting tracks in the world. As expected, not a single one of those seven centuries in wins has come in Australia, England, South Africa or the UAE against the home team.

    Virat Kohli will be nothing more than a great FTB/HTB if all he does is bully teams at home or on the flat tracks of countries like Australia and Bangladesh. He does have time on his side, so I feel that he will eventually get over this hurdle.
    So only Pitches in India are flat ? this is your cricketing logic ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post


    The top TEN in that list features EIGHT Indian batsmen. The other two are Indian bowlers. Do you know why Viv, AB, Ponting, Amla, Lara, Bevan etc haven't chased as many 300+ scores?

    It is because none of those guys play their home matches on the easiest ODI batting tracks in the world. As expected, not a single one of those seven centuries in wins has come in Australia, England, South Africa or the UAE against the home team.

    Virat Kohli will be nothing more than a great FTB/HTB if all he does is bully teams at home or on the flat tracks of countries like Australia and Bangladesh. He does have time on his side, so I feel that he will eventually get over this hurdle.
    Someone pls tell me that this guy is kidding. England and Australia has some of the flattest tracks in the world.

    Remember 444???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    So only Pitches in India are flat ? this is your cricketing logic ?
    Pitches r flat almost everywhere these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterfall View Post
    Someone pls tell me that this guy is kidding. England and Australia has some of the flattest tracks in the world.

    Remember 444???
    Quote Originally Posted by Waterfall View Post
    Pitches r flat almost everywhere these days.
    Exactly !! But its hard for him to accept reality as that would mean he can no longer do India bashing ... lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post


    The top TEN in that list features EIGHT Indian batsmen. The other two are Indian bowlers. Do you know why Viv, AB, Ponting, Amla, Lara, Bevan etc haven't chased as many 300+ scores?

    It is because none of those guys play their home matches on the easiest ODI batting tracks in the world. As expected, not a single one of those seven centuries in wins has come in Australia, England, South Africa or the UAE against the home team.

    Virat Kohli will be nothing more than a great FTB/HTB if all he does is bully teams at home or on the flat tracks of countries like Australia and Bangladesh. He does have time on his side, so I feel that he will eventually get over this hurdle.


    hilarious self contradiction

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    kohli is the best odi batsman of this generation by a mile and a certified atg

    on that there is no debate and if he wins india a world cup he will become the greatest odi batsman ever

    some pathetic posts in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post


    hilarious self contradiction

    His logic is ridiculous. Pitches become flat in Australia when Kohli bats but become bowling friendly when Amla bats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post


    The top TEN in that list features EIGHT Indian batsmen. The other two are Indian bowlers. Do you know why Viv, AB, Ponting, Amla, Lara, Bevan etc haven't chased as many 300+ scores?

    It is because none of those guys play their home matches on the easiest ODI batting tracks in the world. As expected, not a single one of those seven centuries in wins has come in Australia, England, South Africa or the UAE against the home team.

    Virat Kohli will be nothing more than a great FTB/HTB if all he does is bully teams at home or on the flat tracks of countries like Australia and Bangladesh. He does have time on his side, so I feel that he will eventually get over this hurdle.
    So ODI Pitches are not flat in England, SA, UAE, NZ, etc? or you have not watched ODI cricket in those places for the past several years?

    You yourself mentioned Aus has flat wicket, now again why are you crying that Virat doesnot have any winning century in Aus. anyway you are going to call him FTB even if he had scored one. How does winning or not winning change the type of the pitches? flat track is flat track whether India win or not. Seriously man, stop fooling people here that you are someone who knows about cricket. your posts only filled with hatred and childish comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    His logic is ridiculous. Pitches become flat in Australia when Kohli bats but become bowling friendly when Amla bats.
    haha I had forgotten about that gem .. where he dismissed Kohli's Test hundreds in Aus because he declared them to be flat pitches


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    Kohli is already the 3rd best odi batsman I have ever seen behind Viv and Sachin.

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    Virat is already a legend , some people can't digest that... 1 or 2 failure doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Virat sucks bro. He pads his stats against weak opponents.

    Remember, he choked in the CT finals against Pak? The knock against Pak just 1 week before that does not count.



    All of the above stats are made up by Virat fan boys.
    Talk about being biased. Either you're ignorant about cricinfo's database or are just trolling here. Either way, get yourself well informed before posting silly stuffs like this man. Just cause you don't want to COUNT his knock against Pak, that does not mean it's not registered in the history book.

    Apart from SL, his stats are all hovering way above 45 against each country ... let me write that again for you in capital letters: EACH COUNTRY!!! (and wooping 80 against Bangladesh). If that's not good enough for you, you must be living in some wonder land.

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    Virat will finish as one of the greatest ODI cricketer of all time. He will continue getting better. Batsmen hit their peak at the age of 30. This guy is only 28 already only a 1000 odd short of 10000 runs. These world cup final, uncle gumbi final runs are straw man argument. It is a feather in the cap. Not the cap itself. Collis King made 86 in final. He is a great batsman? Brathwhite is a great batsman. Your consistency and several match winning efforts over a long period will define your greatness.

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    Don't understand why some Pakistani fans try to show national pride by hating on Indians. Love for Pakistan does not mean hate for India. Kohli is an established ATG in ODIs and quite possibly the best ODI batsman of all time after Viv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Virat will finish as one of the greatest ODI cricketer of all time. He will continue getting better. Batsmen hit their peak at the age of 30. This guy is only 28 already only a 1000 odd short of 10000 runs. These world cup final, uncle gumbi final runs are straw man argument. It is a feather in the cap. Not the cap itself. Collis King made 86 in final. He is a great batsman? Brathwhite is a great batsman. Your consistency and several match winning efforts over a long period will define your greatness.
    Exactly. Couldn't have been more precise.

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    For years I have seen Pak posters claiming Tendulkar chokes under pressure , inspite of his amazing stats in ICC tournaments and Tournament finals , a much bigger sample than Virats 8 matches based on which even hes a choker now ?


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