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    South African pacer Duanne Olivier - Performance Watch

    Been looking forward to seeing Duanne Olivier in this Test between England and South Africa. He played one Test vs Sri Lanka in the winter at home but this will be a sterner challenge against better opposition.

    He's 25 years old, has taken 259 wickets at an average of 20 in 63 FC matches which is an exceptional record. Allan Donald says he can bowl 145kph+ and is adept at getting the ball to swing away late. Hits the deck hard and has done well even on flat pitches in South African domestic.

    However in the few overs I've seen him bowl today, his pace is between 80-85mph and he's struggled to find his line. He's getting away swing but its easy for the batsmen to leave. Ended up bowling too straight and got picked off by Joe Root.

    Still early days and the first time he's bowled in England. Let's see how he does.

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    First impressions suggest that he isn't quite test quality, but early days as you stated and it might have been just nerves holding him back. However, he came across as the quintessential trundler that chugs away at the level between club and first class cricket. Essentially those first class numbers are a tad questionable because records in non-franchise cricket in South Africa are given equal billing to the premier domestic competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    First impressions suggest that he isn't quite test quality, but early days as you stated and it might have been just nerves holding him back. However, he came across as the quintessential trundler that chugs away at the level between club and first class cricket. Essentially those first class numbers are a tad questionable because records in non-franchise cricket in South Africa are given equal billing to the premier domestic competition.
    I'm surprised at his pace, from what I've read he has a reputation for being much quicker. Maybe he's compromising on pace and focusing on getting the ball to swing in these conditions.

    Olivier however possesses a strong record in SAF's premier domestic competition - in the 2016-17 Sunfoil Series he took 52 wickets in 8 matches at an average of 18. That's 14 more wickets than the second leading wicket-taker who played the same number of matches.

    Michael Holding making a good point on commentary about Olivier's seam position. Its slanted towards the slip so the ball swings earlier and its easier for the batsmen to leave, compared to Philander who keeps the seam more upright and gets the ball to swing later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    I'm surprised at his pace, from what I've read he has a reputation for being much quicker. Maybe he's compromising on pace and focusing on getting the ball to swing in these conditions.

    Olivier however possesses a strong record in SAF's premier domestic competition - in the 2016-17 Sunfoil Series he took 52 wickets in 8 matches at an average of 18. That's 14 more wickets than the second leading wicket-taker who played the same number of matches.

    Michael Holding making a good point on commentary about Olivier's seam position. Its slanted towards the slip so the ball swings earlier and its easier for the batsmen to leave, compared to Philander who keeps the seam more upright and gets the ball to swing later.
    The point about seam position is really interesting and something any decent bowling coach should be able to fix in the nets. Obviously he hasn't bowled a lot in English conditions and is probably over-compensating with the wrist position to try to get the ball to swing, which is why it's all coming out a bit telegraphed. It's classic conditions for swing bowling though and you don't really need to do a lot to get it to swing on such days.

    On the pace point, it is a bit reminiscent of the coterie of Pakistani bowlers who have stellar first class records and when they are first thrust into international cricket, everyone just assumes that we've unearthed a star with express pace. I know I've been guilty of such wishful thinking on a couple of occasions, not least with Rahat Ali.

    Olivier reminds me a lot of Andrew Hall, who could crank it up to 87-88 mph when the mood took him but usually averaged 81-82 and was nothing more than a support act for the other bowlers apart from when the ball was reversing due to his ability to bowl cutters.

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    Was a nice touch of Faf du Plessis to give Olivier a crack at England's tail and give him confidence.

    However in his short spell today in the 2nd innings, he wasn't much better. Lacked accuracy and control over line and length.

    Will be a straight swap for Rabada at The Oval.

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    Looks a slightly taller version of Hardik Pandya; pace is decent but apart from that there is nothing to his bowling.

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    Like the look of him even though he was pretty ordinary this game. Hits the pitch hard and has a good seam.

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    South Africa had a very good fast bowler who has disappeared of the scene Marchant de Lange, he looked a really good prospect

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    South Africa had a very good fast bowler who has disappeared of the scene Marchant de Lange, he looked a really good prospect
    Playing in England...

    Marchant de Lange to join Glamorgan in latest example of South African exodus

    The raft of international players joining English counties from South Africa is set to continue with Glamorgan close to signing the 26-year-old fast bowler Marchant de Lange on a long-term deal, despite him not qualifying under the controversial Kolpak ruling.

    Seven recent internationals have joined counties as Kolpaks in the close season, but De Lange is not eligible to play as one because he has played an insufficient amount of international cricket in the past two years. Kolpak registrations require the player to have appeared in one Test match or 15 limited-overs internationals in the 24 months before signing. In that period, De Lange has played one ODI and one T20 international.

    Instead, pending the awarding of a visa and ECB approval, he will be registered as a local player as his wife has a British passport.

    The ramifications of this are more severe than for a Kolpak registration. While, like a Kolpak, he would be ending his South Africa career to make the move, he would only be eligible to play as a local player in one country’s domestic competitions. Thus, if he wants to continue playing South African domestic cricket, it would have to be as an overseas player.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...n-south-africa


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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    South Africa had a very good fast bowler who has disappeared of the scene Marchant de Lange, he looked a really good prospect
    He had an injury and never looked the same again. Essentially his spot was taken by Abbott before Rabada came into the scene. It's unfortunate but that's just how it is.

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    Better performance from him today, coming in after Philander's injury.

    He kept the seam more upright whereas at Trent Bridge it was towards second slip. Bowled in the right channel more often. Still needs to improve his accuracy - you feel he always has one hit-me delivery every over or so.
    Last edited by Markhor; 4th August 2017 at 17:54.

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    Needs to improve his accuracy, but he used the conditions far better than Morris did in the last test.

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    Really nothing special. Hustles and Bustles in like he's going to bowl 90 mph and he throws one down at 82. He doesn't have accuracy either, all over the place.


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    Bowler better thus far compared to previous outings

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    Finally was consistent with his line and length in this innings and got the reward with the wicket of Stokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    He had an injury and never looked the same again. Essentially his spot was taken by Abbott before Rabada came into the scene. It's unfortunate but that's just how it is.
    He signed a Kolpak deal afaik

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    Reminds me of Mike Watkinson from Lancashire all those years ago.

    Just taken his 3rd wkt.


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    Been a lot better in this test as he appears to have found the right length to bowl in England. Nowhere near the world-beater his first class record seemed to suggest though.

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