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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    No way. He isn't going to win any more votes than he won last time. While he may have gained support through electables, he has also lost a lot of support due to introducing corrupt elements, rubbish policies, and his behaviours. There is no way I am voting for anyone who is knowingly financing Taliban seminaries, that single policy should put just about every objectively thinking person off.
    If he gets the same amount of votes as in 2013 in Punjab; he will win the GE. 2013 was rigged; all 4 boxes opened revealed this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    There is no way I am voting for anyone who is knowingly financing Taliban seminaries, that single policy should put just about every objectively thinking person off.
    This will indeed disturb many. The Darul Uloom Haqqania is a notorious seminary with links even to Benazir Bhutto's assassination. Imran Khan's alliance with Maulana Samiul Haq, the seminary's infamous chancellor, is bound to cause consternation amongst many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Imran This Imran that,can he do this,can he drink a glass of water! It depends on a system FGS!!!
    and who is going to change this system? the current lot of crooks in parliament? FYI they recently came up with an amendment for a disqualified person to throw out a SC order

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    What would he gain by handing out cash to people who would allegedly create havoc in province his party rules?

    So when you objectively think about it, MAYBE he does have a point that only REAL way of reducing extremism is by bringing millions of madrassah students into mainstream?

    No money given to Madressah Haqqania, claims PTI

    ISLAMABAD: Amid criticism of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government’s funding to Maulana Samiul Haq’s Darul Uloom Haqqania, the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) has claimed that no cash transaction was involved and the seminary was being assisted only in building infrastructure.

    Talking to Dawn after a meeting between Chief Minister Pervez Khattak and PTI chairman Imran Khan here on Monday, party’s information secretary Fawad Chaudhry claimed that the infrastructure development was being carried out by the provincial communications and works department and no funds had been given directly to Darul Uloom Haqqania.

    Mr Chaudhry termed the criticism in some political and media circles “unjustified”. He said the funds had been allocated by the KP government to provide assistance to the religious seminaries as part of its policy to mainstream madrasahs.

    “We have already spent some Rs270 million on construction of various buildings and establishment of computer labs in the seminaries, being run under the control of Darul Uloom Haqqania,” he said, explaining that the funds were not being spent on just one seminary as there was a chain of seminaries functioning under Darul Uloom Haqqania.

    KP chief minister briefs Imran on steps for mainstreaming seminaries

    Darul Uloom Haqqania is headed by Maulana Samiul Haq, chief of his own faction of the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam.

    The PTI information secretary said that the administration of Darul Uloom Haqqania wanted to construct a complex for which it had demanded an additional amount of Rs300m.

    He admitted that Imran Khan should have clarified all these points during his Sunday’s news conference instead of only defending the KP government’s act when a journalist had put a question in this regard.

    Mr Chaudhry further said the KP government had offered all the seminaries functioning in KP to adopt the curriculum developed by the Elementary Secondary Education Department and the examination system under the department to receive financial assistance. He claimed that Darul Uloom Haqqania was the first seminary which had accepted this offer.

    Earlier in the day, according to a handout issued by the party’s central media department, Chief Minister Khattak briefed the PTI chairman on the measures taken by his government to mainstream madrasahs in the province. He also informed Mr Khan “about the funds being issued to Darul Uloom Haqqania”.

    Speaking on the occasion, Imran Khan said that more than 2.5 million children were studying in different madrasahs. He said the funds and support would help the seminary students assimilate in society, bring them to the mainstream and keep them away from radicalisation.

    Lauding the KP government, he said that progressive reforms were being implemented by the provincial government to better integrate seminary students into the mainstream.

    Mr Khattak said the KP government had provided comprehensive support to Jamia Haqqania for the development of infrastructure.

    Use of helicopter

    Meanwhile, the KP chief minister submitted a reply to the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) on the issue of alleged misuse of official helicopter of the provincial government.

    In his reply, he claimed that the helicopter had been used for 39 trips in which ministers/advisers had also accompanied Imran Khan. He said the chopper had been used for only 72 flying hours against fuel charges of Rs2.1m in four-and-a-half years.

    He welcomed the NAB’s inquiry and said he would fully cooperate with the bureau.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1391981
    First of all, various sources over the years have specifically mentioned that Darul Uloom Haqqania received monetary grants from the KPK government.

    The provincial government of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) is set to approve a Rs277 million grant for Darul Uloom Haqqania, DawnNews learnt on Friday.

    A summary for the grant to be given to the madressah headed by Maulana Samiul Haq from the chief minister's discretionary funds has been sent to Pervez Khattak, religious affairs minister Habibur Rehman disclosed.

    The funds are being disbursed on special directives of chief minister Khattak himself.

    This is not the first time that the madressah would be on the receiving end of a gracious grant from Pakistan Tekhreek-i-Insaf (PTI) led KP government as Rs300m were allocated for it in the budget for financial year 2016-17.

    Defending the move, PTI chief Imran Khan had said that the funds and support would help the seminary students assimilate in our society, bring them in to the mainstream and keep them away from radicalisation.

    "The same Darul Uloom was supported and financed by ANP, even the late Wali Khan went there," the PTI chief had said.

    Samiul Haq is also being backed by the PTI to receive a berth in the Senate on a seat from KP in elections to be held on March 3.
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1391213

    Ok, let's say I believe that money hasn't been given, and the madrassah is simply being modernized. Should we not question, is this madrassah even deserving? Modernizing does not simply just mean adding computer labs and equipment. Modernizing means that if there is extremism being taught at these madrassah's, then the extremist elements need to be removed. The seminary is beng run by Maulana Sami-ul-Haq, who is known as 'the father of the Taliban' because so many Taliban leaders studied at his seminary. If PTI wants to modernize the seminary, first remove the extremist elements, and implement a PROPER school curriculum. This is an interesting editorial on the topic - https://www.dawn.com/news/1391733

    Second of all, let's again say that the madrassah is simply being 'modernised'. What the hell is Imran Khan doing forming an electoral alliance with the so called 'father of the Taliban'? Does is not bother you that "the father of the Taliban" said that PTI and JUI-S have ideological similairties, and that PTI has made "pro-islamic" steps? Does it also not bother you that PTI is forming an alliance with an extremist right wing party, with a man with so much blood on his hands as the leader? Is this justified in any way?

    ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) and the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Sami (JUI-S) have agreed to formulate a “joint strategy” for the next general elections.

    The decision was made by the leaderships of the two parties at a meeting also attended by JUI-S chief Maulana Samiul Haq and PTI chairman Imran Khan, said a handout issued by the PTI’s media department here on Sunday.

    The leaders of the two parties agreed to continue consultations and contacts with each other so that they could come closer before the next elections.


    Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Pervez Khattak, Information Minister Shah Farman, Maulana Hamidul Haq Haqqani and Maulana Syed Samar Yousuf were present on the occasion.

    “In the meeting, the leaderships of both the parties in principle agreed to continue consultative meetings to prepare a joint strategy for the next elections so that the two parties could jointly struggle to bring the country out of the present crises and difficulties,” said the statement.

    The PTI chief was of the view that the country could not make any progress without eradicating corruption.

    Maulana Sami praised the KP government’s “pro-Islamic steps” in the province. He said the country had been besieged by enemies and there was a need for a united struggle to face the current situation.

    The Maulana, who is also known as the “father of Taliban”, said the ideologies of the two parties had similarities and they could work together.

    Some analysts thought the meeting between Maulana Sami and Mr Khan was an important event as it had taken place at a time when the country’s key religious parties had launched efforts to revive the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal, a political alliance.

    The JUI-S was an important part of the nine-party MMA that had been formed by the religious parties to contest the general elections in 2002 from a joint platform.
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1391733

    To top things off, PTI gave the Jamaat-e-Islami the very important ministry of education, the result of witch all progressive education reforms have been scrapped, and kids in KPK are now studying a Zia-ul-Haq era curriculum, with chapters about Jihad, a negative rhetoric against and a destorted view on the formation of Pakistan. Why on earth did PTI give education of all things to JI of all parties? It is literally a policy so dangerous, that it alone puts me off voting for PTI. People are blinded by Imran Khan's "anti corruption talk", they don't reaize that rubbish policy is 100x worse than corruption.

    PESHAWAR: As teenage education activist Malala Yousafzai prepares to receive her Nobel Peace Prize, the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa — her hometown — is pushing for Islamic content in school textbooks that critics claim promotes violent jihad.

    Malala, 17, is set to be awarded for her struggle against religious extremism and for the right of children, especially girls, to an education K-P — where Taliban militants tried to kill her two years ago.

    The challenge is enormous: some 25 million children aged from five to 16 in Pakistan are out of school, 14 million of them girls, according to education campaign group Alif Ailaan.

    But the biggest debate surrounding education in KP is not how to improve attendance, hire more teachers or repair dilapidated infrastructure: instead, the regional government is attempting to determine how best to reclaim the curriculum in the name of Islam.

    The move is being led by Jamaat-e-Islami, the junior member of the coalition led by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI).

    “There are errors in current text books which go against our values,” Inayatullah Khan, local governance minister, told AFP.

    The project foresees, for example, reintroducing verses of the Koran that deal with jihad (holy war), and adding passages on the divine creation of the universe into science textbooks.

    It also envisages rolling back changes made during the last period of reform, 2006, when authorities “removed religious chapters on social science texts” to replace them with “chapters on Nelson Mandela, Karl Marx, Marco Polo, Vasco de Gama and Neil Armstrong,” according to the minister.

    They also want to pull primary school textbooks that depict girls without veils.

    “We live in an Islamic society, women don't wear skirts here,” said Khan.

    The project, confirmed by provincial education minister Atif Khan, pertains to public schools as well as those private schools which do not have the means to procure their own texts — covering the vast majority of students in the province.

    Emphasis on Islam in non-religion related school texts began as early as the 1960s, but increased in the 1980s under the rule of hardline military dictator Ziaul Haq. The PPP and the PML-N, project a more moderate vision.


    Fightback?
    In response to the provincial government's plan, Sharif has launched a counter-attack by ordering the Higher Education Commission to seek changes to all texts, from primary to university level, to promote the country's “democratic” heritage over its history of coups.

    The main problem however is that following recent devolution steps it is the provinces, not the central government, that have the final say on curriculum in order to cater to the region's particular cultural and linguistic values.

    “There is a lot of confusion at the moment,” with some provinces refusing to allow the central government to participate in the writing of texts, explains A.H. Nayyar, an academic and leading voice for reform.

    Current textbooks are already heavily criticised by liberals, who say they project a revisionist version of history that is highly nationalistic, especially over the country's rival India, while also being dismissive towards religious minorities.

    Sardar Hussain Babak, a spokesman for the Awami National Party that sits in opposition in KP, blamed PTI for striking a deal with the Jamaat-i-Islami to ensure its fragile ruling coalition survived.

    “There is a compromise between Tehreek-i-Insaaf and Jamaat-i-Islami. Now Jamaat-i-Islami points will be part of curriculum,” he said.

    “Jamaat-i-Islami is a radical religious party which is provoking jihad, definitely now jihadi elements will be part of curriculum.”

    A recent US study of 100 Pakistani school texts found that minorities — especially Hindus — were depicted as “second-class” citizens and “enemies of Islam”.


    The rhetoric is even more worrying for the country's liberals than the rising number of attacks on religious minorities, saying it lays the groundwork for further radicalisation.

    Even the country's Western donors, who give millions of dollars in education aid, are privately worried about the “re-Islamisation trend”.

    Others see it as simply a populist move with little chance of succeeding in the short term. After the last set of reforms in 2006, authorities took seven years to print new editions, according to one Western diplomat.
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1149956

    To me, one thing is very clear. Either Imran Khan is a massive right wing sympthizer, or he is willing to do just about anything to become prime minisiter, even if it means dithching is ideology and values. Neither things are acceptable to me, and therefore, I am extremely unlikely to vote for PTI will Imran Khan still leads the party.


    “It is not defeat that destroys you, it is being demoralized by defeat that destroys you.”
    ― Imran Khan

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    MQM MNA, former Q-league MNA from Jhang joins the PTI.

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    Whoever is allowed by the jernails and cernails, will win the election. What difference does it make.

    Its the "COAS" and "ISPR" who will play the tune to which the election winner will be forced to dance to anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    MQM MNA, former Q-league MNA from Jhang joins the PTI.
    Chaudheries are really unhappy and not going to form any alliance with Imran before or after the elections. PTI is taking all their big wickets from their remaining strongholds. (Chakwal, Attock, Jhang, Bahawalpur etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Chaudheries are really unhappy and not going to form any alliance with Imran before or after the elections. PTI is taking all their big wickets from their remaining strongholds. (Chakwal, Attock, Jhang, Bahawalpur etc)
    But are those ppl like to beat the Noonies

    I can't wait for NS conviction things are really going to get interesting then. It is now or never for IK. Should make everyday count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    But are those ppl like to beat the Noonies

    I can't wait for NS conviction things are really going to get interesting then. It is now or never for IK. Should make everyday count.
    They are electables and with combined PTI votebank we can beat noonies. Looking at by elections to get the next general election idea is wrong its always hard to beat sitting government dont forget PPP from 2008 to 2013 when in govt was known as the most corrupt incompetent party of our history and media was doing their trial daily but still PPP was winning almost every by election and pmln was finding it hard to beat them but in GE2013 we saw what happened to them. PTI on the other side showed far better results in by elections against a siting govt.

    Once NS is convicted it will be really hard for noonies to bounce back but PTI also need to prepare some strategy to counter their dirty tricks of rigging and media propaganda. I am afraid this election is going to be the most bloody election in our history and also lto of propaganda is going to happen targeting Imran's personal life after failing to find him guilty in any corruption. Rumors of Reham upcoming book are already out in market its coming a few months before GE and there is going to be lot of masala including bedroom stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    But are those ppl like to beat the Noonies

    I can't wait for NS conviction things are really going to get interesting then. It is now or never for IK. Should make everyday count.
    Most of the runner ups in 2013 elections in Punjab (some who lost by few thousand as independents or PMLQ ticket) are now in PTI which gives them MUCH better chance of beating than 2013. It doesn't mean they will easily win but surely put up much better fight.

    Is it ideal to include all suhc candidates who jump ships? NO

    Is there any alternative especially in Punjab and interior Sindh? DEFINITELY NOT!

    if Imran Khan can announce name of ticket holders in some constituencies and start visiting there educating people how Sharif/Zardari's corruption impacts their lives (in language they understand) there is a chance that he could win around 50 seats seats in Punjab/interior Sindh. He can win another 40 from rest of Pakistan but he will still need to form alliances.

    ^^ This is best case scenario.

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    Jahangir Tareen may not be liked by everyone even in PTI but he deserves the credit for convincing more than half of heavyweights in Punjab to join PTI.

    There are many ideological and honest people who may not like Tareen but fact is most of them did not have ANY influence in Punjab and ideology alone is not enough to win elections against such an organised mafia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Jahangir Tareen may not be liked by everyone even in PTI but he deserves the credit for convincing more than half of heavyweights in Punjab to join PTI.

    There are many ideological and honest people who may not like Tareen but fact is most of them did not have ANY influence in Punjab and ideology alone is not enough to win elections against such an organised mafia.
    Completely agree with you he is the right hand of IK it's because of him electables are joining from last 2 years in Punjab he knows the local politics of Punjab really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Chaudheries are really unhappy and not going to form any alliance with Imran before or after the elections. PTI is taking all their big wickets from their remaining strongholds. (Chakwal, Attock, Jhang, Bahawalpur etc)
    He lost by two thousand votes against an independent candidate in Jhang.He is a very strong candidate.It should not be difficult to win this seat this time for the PTI.

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    Massive wicket.

    PML-N MNA Raza Hayat joins Imran Khan’s party.A huge victory for the PTI from Punjab.

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    Khan's Last Stand.

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    Heard of Pomi Butt? Gujranwala's deputy mayor? The guy who stoned PTI's long march three years back?

    He has a rival who goes by the name of Rizwan Aslam Butt, he is willing to join PTI provided he gets a fair deal.
    Rizwan , as an independent candidate had won 24000 votes against Imran Khalid Butt's 34000 (Pomi's younger brother ). That's despite all the rigging. So, in the fort of N league , he is the best candidate in the urban area. Although Rizwan always wanted to join PML N after winning that election yet his performance shows his popularity.

    But the problem is that the runner up of the 2008 elections and number 4th in 2013, Rana Faisal ditched his old party PPP 2/3 years back and joined PTI. He has also been working on grass roots level. It would be ethically wrong to prefer Rizwan for this ticket with all the work Rana Faisal did during last 2-3 years

    These are the issues which need to be managed very carefully. These decisions and maneuverings might make all the difference in the upcoming elections.


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    http://www.merawatan.pk/elections/pp-91

    This is the 2013 result of the constituency I am discussing in the above post.


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    Our boy Immy doing membership drive in every district of the country. Started off from Karachi, then Peshawar. He was in Faisalabad yesterday and Gujrat today (Noora strong holds) and wherever he does this membership drive it turns into impromptu jalsas with massive participation of people. You can see the videos/pics on the Imran Khan (official) facebook page.


    I hope the trend continues. Beating the mafia won't be easy, but if there is one man who can do it, its Imran.


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    elections arent going to happen. even if its going to be election thn it will be dhandhli on massive scale and IK wont win, the situation will be out of control and thn establishment have to take its decision.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    @Waseem @Bewal Express


    Our boy Immy doing membership drive in every district of the country. Started off from Karachi, then Peshawar. He was in Faisalabad yesterday and Gujrat today (Noora strong holds) and wherever he does this membership drive it turns into impromptu jalsas with massive participation of people. You can see the videos/pics on the Imran Khan (official) facebook page.


    I hope the trend continues. Beating the mafia won't be easy, but if there is one man who can do it, its Imran.
    The Kaptaan is a born winner and if anyone can do it, he can. IK has done his bit, lets see the people do theirs.

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    IK already did enough for this country so now even if he lose the elections thats fine he already exposed nooras and the corrupt system so now people will think twice before doing corruption of that level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    IK already did enough for this country so now even if he lose the elections thats fine he already exposed nooras and the corrupt system so now people will think twice before doing corruption of that level
    It's not just corruption... IK is fighting for the basic rights of the people for health and education which the Nooras haven't provided in their 30 year rule and won't provide even if they rule for 50 more years.


    IMO, accepting that "IK has already done enough" is defeatist mentality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    It's not just corruption... IK is fighting for the basic rights of the people for health and education which the Nooras haven't provided in their 30 year rule and won't provide even if they rule for 50 more years.


    IMO, accepting that "IK has already done enough" is defeatist mentality.
    True the awareness he created among masses is enough now the educated class is standing up for their rights and we will get more leaders from this educated middle class in upcoming years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    elections arent going to happen. even if its going to be election thn it will be dhandhli on massive scale and IK wont win, the situation will be out of control and thn establishment have to take its decision.
    Things might get interesting in couple of months.

    A lot depends on court decisions.

    Will Nawaz be cleared by the court?

    Will the court find Nawaz gulity ? And if it finds him guilty, shall it have the courage to hand out a sentence to former PM? And if Nawaz is sentenced will the political mafia accept this? Won't they try to discredit and even wrap up this system to save their souls?

    If the court absolves him then it will be a travesty of justice and won't take Pakistan any further. And if he is put behind bars for few months will the elections be held and a democratic set up continue?

    I think the end game would be that establishment will convince few big names and electables from Punjab to ditch N league and join PTI/Q league alliance. It will help in creating a electorate wave in favor of PTI.
    If Shahbaz manages to gain some say in N league and distance himself from Nawaz's mission then establishment might allow a fair election. The chances of Shahbaz doing so are minimal.

    The system (establishment) does not want Nawaz. It is quite clear now that all those defections in Baluchistan were to stop N league from getting a clear majority in the senate.

    Okay, I am being Shahid Masood for tonight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    @Waseem @Bewal Express


    Our boy Immy doing membership drive in every district of the country. Started off from Karachi, then Peshawar. He was in Faisalabad yesterday and Gujrat today (Noora strong holds) and wherever he does this membership drive it turns into impromptu jalsas with massive participation of people. You can see the videos/pics on the Imran Khan (official) facebook page.


    I hope the trend continues. Beating the mafia won't be easy, but if there is one man who can do it, its Imran.
    I like this campaign much more than his tv interviews, he needs to connect to the people and attend such rallies everywhere and even i was shocked to see such a response given that multiple membership camps were setup all around Gujrat and massive crowds attended everywhere. Faisalabad was quite good too so great to see this campaign.

    I think next step (in 2nd round) should be to confirm candidates for constituencies and attend small rallies in different towns so people know who their candidates are. In many surveys, people complain that they would vote for PMLN because they don't even know who PTI candidate is and main reaosn to vote for PMLN is because "Noon k hi zor shor hai yahan" so he will need to create hype for his candidates as well.

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    For PML N to form next government, it is necessary for Nawaz to get sidelined. This observation is based upon two things. Despite him being quite popular, his image has been tarnished. More over, he is unacceptable to establishment.

    Shahbaz still has a favorable image in the eyes of establishment and masses.

    Shahbaz as a front-runner of PML N will make it easier for PML N to form next government. But this can't happen without the consent of Nawaz.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    I like this campaign much more than his tv interviews, he needs to connect to the people and attend such rallies everywhere and even i was shocked to see such a response given that multiple membership camps were setup all around Gujrat and massive crowds attended everywhere. Faisalabad was quite good too so great to see this campaign.

    I think next step (in 2nd round) should be to confirm candidates for constituencies and attend small rallies in different towns so people know who their candidates are. In many surveys, people complain that they would vote for PMLN because they don't even know who PTI candidate is and main reaosn to vote for PMLN is because "Noon k hi zor shor hai yahan" so he will need to create hype for his candidates as well.

    The battle ground is the marginals in Punjab and to win IK must attend each of these himself. The drive for membership will also people feel part of the party. Good work PTI. SMQ and other leaders must do the same in their areas

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    PML-N MPA from Faisalabad joins PTI.


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    So, four sitting N league parliamentarians have joined PTI in past 10 days. They certainly consider their chances improving this way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by waqar goraya View Post
    So, four sitting N league parliamentarians have joined PTI in past 10 days. They certainly consider their chances improving this way.
    No doubt these people are opportunists and will leave PTI if they feel they have better chance elsewhere but there is not much options for PTI.

    This is right strategy and should stick to the electable game in Punjab. It was disappointing to see so many first timers in KPK selling their votes in senate elections but PTI should give ticket to more newbies and youngsters with good reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    No doubt these people are opportunists and will leave PTI if they feel they have better chance elsewhere but there is not much options for PTI.

    This is right strategy and should stick to the electable game in Punjab. It was disappointing to see so many first timers in KPK selling their votes in senate elections but PTI should give ticket to more newbies and youngsters with good reputation.
    Yaar youngster strategy failed in 2013... you can only change the system if you are in it. I say get as many electables as possible, keep in mind these people are joining PTI with the full knowledge of Khan's anti-corruption stance so they would think a thousand times before indulging in corruption.

    Khan's best bet is to get as many electables as he can manage so that he atleast forms the next government and then he can improve the system such that electables aren't required thereafter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    No doubt these people are opportunists and will leave PTI if they feel they have better chance elsewhere but there is not much options for PTI.

    This is right strategy and should stick to the electable game in Punjab. It was disappointing to see so many first timers in KPK selling their votes in senate elections but PTI should give ticket to more newbies and youngsters with good reputation.
    Any person with an education now realises that IK is up against a mafia that will not lie down and accept its demise without a fight to the death. The corruption cuts across every ethnicity, class and occupation and he is virtually on his own. You would have thought that there are some honest people in PPP and amongst the Nooras but where are they? Why have they not spoken up for PK and against the mafia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Any person with an education now realises that IK is up against a mafia that will not lie down and accept its demise without a fight to the death. The corruption cuts across every ethnicity, class and occupation and he is virtually on his own. You would have thought that there are some honest people in PPP and amongst the Nooras but where are they? Why have they not spoken up for PK and against the mafia?

    There are plenty of decent folks in PPP and PML-N and I'm shocked when I'm listening to them on talk shows as to why they are siding with the mafia. Folks like Aitzaz Ahsan are a gem for any nation but he has chosen to follow the leadership of Billo and his Mr.10% daddy.


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    How do you defeat someone who doesnt give up ? IK is a once in a lifetime individual, his chances increase by the day. People said he didnt understand politics...


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    Quote Originally Posted by waqar goraya View Post
    So, four sitting N league parliamentarians have joined PTI in past 10 days. They certainly consider their chances improving this way.
    What incentive do they have for joining the PTI? Considering that the PML(N) are favourites to win Punjab, is it money to make the switch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    What incentive do they have for joining the PTI? Considering that the PML(N) are favourites to win Punjab, is it money to make the switch?
    Sometimes these parliamentarians listen to their constituents and in some districts there might be a PTI wave going and hence they decided to jump onboard the PTI ship to ensure victory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Sometimes these parliamentarians listen to their constituents and in some districts there might be a PTI wave going and hence they decided to jump onboard the PTI ship to ensure victory.
    How is IK doing in Punjab? One of my relatives went to the jalsas in Lahore and Jhelum but didn't say anything about yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    How is IK doing in Punjab? One of my relatives went to the jalsas in Lahore and Jhelum but didn't say anything about yet.
    IDK... he is doing his membership camps these days in every small and big town/city of the country and these impromptu camps are turning into big jalsas because of turnout of people. That's a good sign.


    Let us know when your relative reports back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    How is IK doing in Punjab? One of my relatives went to the jalsas in Lahore and Jhelum but didn't say anything about yet.
    So far doing great based on PTI's own votebank but PTI need more and more electables to make winning possible by combining party votebank+electable vote bank thats the only way to win Punjab and form govt in federal Punjabis and Sindhis never vote for new faces.

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    Membership campaign in Multan today




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    So far doing great based on PTI's own votebank but PTI need more and more electables to make winning possible by combining party votebank+electable vote bank thats the only way to win Punjab and form govt in federal Punjabis and Sindhis never vote for new faces.
    Great news! Heard there was a lot of security checking going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    What incentive do they have for joining the PTI? Considering that the PML(N) are favourites to win Punjab, is it money to make the switch?
    Money is not a catalyst at all.

    Some constituencies are being redrawn. That puts some of these people against their N league party colleagues. So, they will take their chances with PTI who also have a vast popular vote bank.

    PML N are not as strong as in 2013. Their popularity is restricted to certain areas while in other constituencies people give more weight to personalities than the party.


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    Standing like this in Karachi? This man is a tiger.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Standing like this in Karachi? This man is a tiger.


    I recently read somewhere - that PTI was runner-up in 17 out of 20 seats in Karachi last time. They won one, and didn't contest in two others. Being a runner-up despite the heavy rigging that happened (there are cellphone videos all over social media).


    Now MQM is no where to be seen. I hope to God he manages to eek out 10-12 of the 20 seats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    IDK... he is doing his membership camps these days in every small and big town/city of the country and these impromptu camps are turning into big jalsas because of turnout of people. That's a good sign.


    Let us know when your relative reports back.
    Apparently, he said he was standing behind the guy that threw the shoe. Now my grandmother has barred him from attending any future jalsas out of fear. But he won't stop anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Standing like this in Karachi? This man is a tiger.


    For some reason this brings back memories of 2013 when IK fell from the stage due to a mishap. Ya Allah I hope it doesn't happen again. He needs to be careful and not have so many people alongside him on the top of the car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I recently read somewhere - that PTI was runner-up in 17 out of 20 seats in Karachi last time. They won one, and didn't contest in two others. Being a runner-up despite the heavy rigging that happened (there are cellphone videos all over social media).


    Now MQM is no where to be seen. I hope to God he manages to eek out 10-12 of the 20 seats.
    That post was by me we were runner up on 17 seats, won one seat (Dr Alvi) and didn't contested on 2 seats. There were a total of 20 seats and now after new halqa bandyan there are 21 seats in Karachi (1 new seat added to every provincial capital)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Apparently, he said he was standing behind the guy that threw the shoe. Now my grandmother has barred him from attending any future jalsas out of fear. But he won't stop anytime soon.
    He should take care of his safety and listen to his elders


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    That post was by me we were runner up on 17 seats, won one seat (Dr Alvi) and didn't contested on 2 seats. There were a total of 20 seats and now after new halqa bandyan there are 21 seats in Karachi (1 new seat added to every provincial capital)
    IA IK will win 21 off 21 of the biggest city of Pakistan (One can hope )


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    For some reason this brings back memories of 2013 when IK fell from the stage due to a mishap. Ya Allah I hope it doesn't happen again. He needs to be careful and not have so many people alongside him on the top of the car.
    Yea he should be careful there are many forces after his head and one small mistake here can be a disaster fro whole party and country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    IA IK will win 21 off 21 of the biggest city of Pakistan (One can hope )
    My bet is on 5 seats if MQM and PSP join hands and make an alliance otherwise we will take 8 to 10 seats in case of split urdu speaking vote between mqm and psp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    He should take care of his safety and listen to his elders
    "Young men love taking risks because they can't imagine the consequences".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    My bet is on 5 seats if MQM and PSP join hands and make an alliance otherwise we will take 8 to 10 seats in case of split urdu speaking vote between mqm and psp

    PTI is the only national party left. Noon league is only in Punjab while PPP is only in Sindh. PTI wins from KPK and is runner-up in Punjab and Karachi. They will hotly contest in interior Sindh this time too. I hope they make a huge dent to Zardari party.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Yea he should be careful there are many forces after his head and one small mistake here can be a disaster fro whole party and country.
    Don't want to make the mistake Benazir did. Last time he fell from the scaffold. This time, hopefully, nothing happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    PTI is the only national party left. Noon league is only in Punjab while PPP is only in Sindh. PTI wins from KPK and is runner-up in Punjab and Karachi. They will hotly contest in interior Sindh this time too. I hope they make a huge dent to Zardari party.
    True even in Islamabad PTI is the strongest party but in new halqa bandyan they tried their best to dent PTI urban vote in Islamabad by joining rural constituencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Don't want to make the mistake Benazir did. Last time he fell from the scaffold. This time, hopefully, nothing happens.
    Yea we can't afford to lose another leader and that too just before elections

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    Look at the energy level at the age of 65/66. He covered 7 cities in 10 days and there were 50+ speeches by him in this membership campaign. Not to forget just a month ago he had 10+ Jalsas in 1 month. I guess that 126 days long dherna with daily speeches helped him practice this


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    What’s Imran Khan’s social media strategy like? As we’ve seen all over the world, including South Asia, social media is now a huge tool when it comes to elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    What’s Imran Khan’s social media strategy like? As we’ve seen all over the world, including South Asia, social media is now a huge tool when it comes to elections.
    PTI pretty much rules the social media circle in Pakistani politics, so much so that his rivals call Imran Khan "Facebook ka Prime Minister". He regularly holds social media summits and have huge group of talented professionals who run it voluntarily.

    PMLN in response organised their own social media team but there is a HUGE difference between the two. PMLN social media workers are MOSTLY paid and get guidance and support from Maryam Safdar but they lack the passion and take it as a job only.

    PMLN social media team has huge advantage of being associated with Geo (one of most watched channels), their journalists pretty much work as a team. They are more organised than PTI in a way that everything comes with planning and their campaigns are much more structured being supervised by media houses like Geo.

    PTI core team is somewhat organised but most of the activists are overseas Pakistanis so they act based on their feelings and passion rather than instructions, this is why they are not liked by many due to their disorganised and ultra emotional activism at times. In sheer numbers though no one can match PTI, they pretty much win every possible survey on social media by HUGE margins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    What’s Imran Khan’s social media strategy like? As we’ve seen all over the world, including South Asia, social media is now a huge tool when it comes to elections.
    PTI is well ahead of the game when it comes to social media. Imran has been the PM on Facebook and Twitter since 2013, and the PTI social media pages are extremely good at propagating the pro-PTI propaganda and selling lies to overseas Junoonis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    PTI pretty much rules the social media circle in Pakistani politics, so much so that his rivals call Imran Khan "Facebook ka Prime Minister". He regularly holds social media summits and have huge group of talented professionals who run it voluntarily.

    PMLN in response organised their own social media team but there is a HUGE difference between the two. PMLN social media workers are MOSTLY paid and get guidance and support from Maryam Safdar but they lack the passion and take it as a job only.

    PMLN social media team has huge advantage of being associated with Geo (one of most watched channels), their journalists pretty much work as a team. They are more organised than PTI in a way that everything comes with planning and their campaigns are much more structured being supervised by media houses like Geo.

    PTI core team is somewhat organised but most of the activists are overseas Pakistanis so they act based on their feelings and passion rather than instructions, this is why they are not liked by many due to their disorganised and ultra emotional activism at times. In sheer numbers though no one can match PTI, they pretty much win every possible survey on social media by HUGE margins.
    PTI is strong on Twitter but they need to be active on Facebook too thats where they can access common man

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    Check this video guys This PMLN leader Arbab Khizar Hayat from Peshawar deserves an award for "Embarrassment on the Face"




    He is the same guy whose house was raided by Health & WHO officials last year where massive amount of Dengue Larva was recovered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Check this video guys This PMLN leader Arbab Khizar Hayat from Peshawar deserves an award for "Embarrassment on the Face"




    He is the same guy whose house was raided by Health & WHO officials last year where massive amount of Dengue Larva was recovered
    Lol that was epic embarrassment for Noon leader.

    Ask anyone in Peshawar lol, what was he thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Check this video guys This PMLN leader Arbab Khizar Hayat from Peshawar deserves an award for "Embarrassment on the Face"




    He is the same guy whose house was raided by Health & WHO officials last year where massive amount of Dengue Larva was recovered
    Whole Peshawar is junooni @Mamoon

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    Not in a million years.

    Imran Khan is always going to loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza_ View Post
    Not in a million years.

    Imran Khan is always going to loose.
    He may do, but he has humiliated the thieving family and their jahil supporters.

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    Charsadda the stronghold of ANP and the city of Bacha Khan aka Sarhadi Gandhi is getting out of ANP's hand and if we go by recent feedback from different cities of KP it looks like PTI is going to change the history and become the party to win KP twice in a row. Only way i can see them losing is if is a big alliance of MMMA+PMLN+ANP join hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Charsadda the stronghold of ANP and the city of Bacha Khan aka Sarhadi Gandhi is getting out of ANP's hand and if we go by recent feedback from different cities of KP it looks like PTI is going to change the history and become the party to win KP twice in a row. Only way i can see them losing is if is a big alliance of MMMA+PMLN+ANP join hands.

    PTI will beat any alliance in KPK. PTI will in shallah form next govt in Pakistan. They will take a lot of seats in Punjab, clean sweep KPK and win a few from Baluchistan. Wait and see PMLN will be in tatters in the next few months

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    Three sitting MPAs joined PTI today and one sitting MNA is expected to join tomorrow but media isn't going to give any big coverage to it they will only give a headline if a councilor level leader leave PTI calling him another senior nazryaati founding pti member

    PTI ke itne founding members kahan se le aate hen yeh media waale @Waseem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Three sitting MPAs joined PTI today and one sitting MNA is expected to join tomorrow but media isn't going to give any big coverage to it they will only give a headline if a councilor level leader leave PTI calling him another senior nazryaati founding pti member

    PTI ke itne founding members kahan se le aate hen yeh media waale @Waseem
    Which MNA?


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    Quote Originally Posted by waqar goraya View Post
    Which MNA?
    The rumor is it's going to be Makhdoom Khusro Bakhtia from RYK he was Ind and joined PMLN. Makhdoom Syed Ahmad Alam Anwer is also joining he was in PMLN got 79k votes and lost NA-192 by only 1000 votes against the PPP candidate.

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    All those 100 MNAs aka electables who joined PMLN before 2013 GE will fly as soon as they see PMLN chances decreasing. These electables are only loyal to their seat not party

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Three sitting MPAs joined PTI today and one sitting MNA is expected to join tomorrow but media isn't going to give any big coverage to it they will only give a headline if a councilor level leader leave PTI calling him another senior nazryaati founding pti member

    PTI ke itne founding members kahan se le aate hen yeh media waale @Waseem
    For Geo news, some completely unknowns like Akbar S Babar are founding members or anyone who leaves PTI is founding member, Imran Khan is just power hungry otherwise rest are all nazriyati founding members.

    Did you hear what Imran Khan said in interview with Nadia Mirza "There was a time when we would go running to even UC chairman who wished to join PTI and instead of joining they would still lecture us on politics and then asked for more time to think about joining"

    No one would take you seriously if you didn't have big names and at one stage whole party could fit in one van but as soon as people started joining, old workers starting questioning why are new people joining and NAZRIYATI workers are being neglected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    For Geo news, some completely unknowns like Akbar S Babar are founding members or anyone who leaves PTI is founding member, Imran Khan is just power hungry otherwise rest are all nazriyati founding members.

    Did you hear what Imran Khan said in interview with Nadia Mirza "There was a time when we would go running to even UC chairman who wished to join PTI and instead of joining they would still lecture us on politics and then asked for more time to think about joining"

    No one would take you seriously if you didn't have big names and at one stage whole party could fit in one van but as soon as people started joining, old workers starting questioning why are new people joining and NAZRIYATI workers are being neglected.
    Yea saw that interview and these nazryaati are so insecure they know their value will decrease they dont have the votebank so big names will take bigger roles in party

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    @Syed1 amazing response of PTI's membership campaign inside interior sindh i know it's almost impossible to take Sindh away from PPP but even if PTI can win 5 seats from Interior that will be a massive victory. Winning Punjab is far easier then winning Sindh. Even before and after 2013 PTI always tried to stay away from holding Jalsas in interior Sindh because they never enjoyed great support there it looks like things are getting better.

    Wese do you think deep state is helping him to win Sindh? ISI is arranging too many people for Imran membership campaign everywhere these are not even freaking jalsas. Below pics are from Nawab Shah the city of Mr 10% and similar scene from Sanghar and other areas IK is visiting interior Sindh for 48 hours.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    For Geo news, some completely unknowns like Akbar S Babar are founding members or anyone who leaves PTI is founding member, Imran Khan is just power hungry otherwise rest are all nazriyati founding members.

    Did you hear what Imran Khan said in interview with Nadia Mirza "There was a time when we would go running to even UC chairman who wished to join PTI and instead of joining they would still lecture us on politics and then asked for more time to think about joining"

    No one would take you seriously if you didn't have big names and at one stage whole party could fit in one van but as soon as people started joining, old workers starting questioning why are new people joining and NAZRIYATI workers are being neglected.
    I found the interview quite funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    @Syed1 amazing response of PTI's membership campaign inside interior sindh i know it's almost impossible to take Sindh away from PPP but even if PTI can win 5 seats from Interior that will be a massive victory. Winning Punjab is far easier then winning Sindh. Even before and after 2013 PTI always tried to stay away from holding Jalsas in interior Sindh because they never enjoyed great support there it looks like things are getting better.

    Wese do you think deep state is helping him to win Sindh? ISI is arranging too many people for Imran membership campaign everywhere these are not even freaking jalsas. Below pics are from Nawab Shah the city of Mr 10% and similar scene from Sanghar and other areas IK is visiting interior Sindh for 48 hours.



    In all honesty, people will always gather where ever Imran Khan will go in Pakistan because of his charisma. People want to see him but do not necessarily want to vote for him . I remember when Imran Khan came in Attock, even my noora friends attended his jalsa.

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    PML-N MNA Bilal Virk joins the PTI. With every passing day, PTI’s victory in GE 2018 seems more and more possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    PML-N MNA Bilal Virk joins the PTI. With every passing day, PTI’s victory in GE 2018 seems more and more possible.
    Ramesh Kumar of PMLN joins PTI. On the 29th of April; many sitting MNAs and MPAs will join PTI. In shallah; PTI will win the elections; the writing is on the wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    PML-N MNA Bilal Virk joins the PTI. With every passing day, PTI’s victory in GE 2018 seems more and more possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by King-Misbah View Post
    Ramesh Kumar of PMLN joins PTI. On the 29th of April; many sitting MNAs and MPAs will join PTI. In shallah; PTI will win the elections; the writing is on the wall
    Many are just holding back to take development funds otherwise they will leave asap


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