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    Hashim Amla's Test average drops below 50

    home average: 49.69

    away average: 49.51

    overall: 49.60

    i am huge fan and i consider him the best batting legend of this era after kohli but will he be considered among the greats if he retires with a test average of below 50?

    kohli averages 49 too but he still has probably 7-8 years left but amla is close to retiring and is not the player he once was. retiring with an average of 50+ will be difficult for him now

    all the great test batsmen average 50+

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    It's been a while since it's below 50. It was almost below 49 before this recently concluded test.

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    His average has been below 50 since late last year.

    Batting in the top 3 in South Africa is a tough task.


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    another important point to look at is that his average used to be below 50 till 2012 as well so looks he averaging 50+ has been a big challenge for him which is very surprising for a batsman of his caliber.

    the likes of root smith etc have spent almost their entire careers so far with a 50 average and it has been easily maintained by them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    His average has been below 50 since late last year.

    Batting in the top 3 in South Africa is a tough task.
    away average of below 50 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post
    away average of below 50 as well.
    Lara and Ponting averaged below 50 outside their home countries as well.

    I think Amla will be rated amongst the greats by those who have seen him play. He's easily one of the best batsmen against lateral movement and has performed in all countries, against pacers as well as spinners.

    What goes against him is lack of longevity.


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    he is a Hussey type player

    Great peak sandwiched by decent output

    However hussey was unlucky that a lot of his peak was wasted in shield and county


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    He's basically a Mini Ponting. Outrageous purple patch in between with mediocrity on both sides. But unlike Ponting he definitely isn't an ATG, one of this era's greats? Sure. ATG? Nope.

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    He will cover up very soon. Last one year or so has been kinda avg for him which happens with any batsman. He is too good a player not to finish with avg over 50 by the time he hangs up his boot. This last test he looked quite determined and did put up two decent innings. The start was a little stuttering but by the end of the test he has started looking his usual self, 'hungry for runs'.
    May be a double hundred is on the way against his favourite team .

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    Not an ATG for me. His chokes in LO are well known. In tests he has had a brilliant purple patch but when South Africa have needed him to step up after Smith and Kallis retirements he has declined and failed to step up.

    A South African great and nothing more.

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    He's the best test batsman of his generation and certainly the best player of lateral movement be it spin or pace. If he manages another purple patch, he'll retire as an ATG. Rooting for him because he deserves it.


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    Nowhere near ATG. Modern great maybe, still a notch below ABD/Smith and several below Kallis.

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    Champion player. Best player of swing after Dravid.
    The reason his avg is not good as others is because his home is SA and unlike others he doesnt get enough chances to score daddy hundreds at home. Same with Kane Williamson who also plays for a weak batting side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    he is a Hussey type player

    Great peak sandwiched by decent output

    However hussey was unlucky that a lot of his peak was wasted in shield and county
    Lol wut

    Yes he hasn't been prolific enough to be counted as an ATG but for a good 5-6 years he was the best in Tests along with Sanga and had no weaknesses home or away, swinging, seaming, bouncy or spinning conditions.

    Definitely a great Test batsman and far ahead of Hussey who had several deficient areas in Tests and didn't play enough to warrant a worthy comparison.


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    He still has chance to get to 50 average . I hope he gets there , he is good enough batsmen to do so.

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    Amla is far ahead of Kohli in tests

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    Amla has been in decline, but he was pretty much the best batsman in the test format for many years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post
    home average: 49.69

    away average: 49.51

    overall: 49.60

    i am huge fan and i consider him the best batting legend of this era after kohli but will he be considered among the greats if he retires with a test average of below 50?

    kohli averages 49 too but he still has probably 7-8 years left but amla is close to retiring and is not the player he once was. retiring with an average of 50+ will be difficult for him now

    all the great test batsmen average 50+
    After Virat Kohli!! man he batted much tougher situations what Virat can't even dream of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    He's basically a Mini Ponting. Outrageous purple patch in between with mediocrity on both sides. But unlike Ponting he definitely isn't an ATG, one of this era's greats? Sure. ATG? Nope.
    Good he is not yet a Goat...

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    Amla got pretty lucky this Test actually don't think he's out of the woods just yet. He was dropped early on in the first innings and then was caught behind early in the second but ump didn't give it and Eng didn't review. Only time will tell whether he can get back to where he was a couple of years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandokkum View Post
    Amla is far ahead of Kohli in tests
    That goes without saying. Kohli still has to prove himself in England, SA and against Pak in Test if that ever happens.

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    sad to see the decline of the great man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post
    sad to see the decline of the great man
    I think you're being dramatic. Wasnt he the highest scorer for both innings in the last test match?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I think you're being dramatic. Wasnt he the highest scorer for both innings in the last test match?
    he is a class player so he will still produce big knocks from time to time but if you look at his performance over the last 2 yrs you can see that he is not the same player any more. he fails far too often these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post
    he is a class player so he will still produce big knocks from time to time but if you look at his performance over the last 2 yrs you can see that he is not the same player any more. he fails far too often these days
    I see little difference in his technique and temperament. For me the issue is SA openers, they are not as settled as before. He has been coming in early and getting very good deliveries from the new ball. Im not trying to make excuses for him but the batting line up throughout has been less settled with more pressure on Amla.

    He is one of the few batsmen who can play at no.3 in ANY world conditions. I think if he continues to have the hunger he will play for another couple of years and score many hundreds. His average even around 49 or 51 wont make much difference to his standing as a great batsmen.

    Kohli, Wiliamson, Smith are known as the peoples best no.3 but I would put Amla on par with them too even today.


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    Amla isn't even a great of this generation.. just a little purple patch of 3-4 years with so much mediocrity on both sides.. overrated as heck..

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    He's a future hall of famer regardless of what his average will end up.


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    Younis Khan is better than him , younis has better average

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    Was never really as great a batsman as fans made him out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    His average has been below 50 since late last year.

    Batting in the top 3 in South Africa is a tough task.
    I dont get that logic , its their home infact SA players and to an extent English batsmen are at a massive advantage cos they are grow up in tough batting conditions . They never really have to adapt ?
    Compare that to a SC batsmen whos brought up on pitches with no bounce or swing and is expected to land in SA/Eng learn everything about bounce and swing in one practice match if hes lucky and is expected to average 50+ ? even if he does we are reluctant to give him the credit he deserves ?

    SA has produced as many ~50 avg batsmen as any other top team , unless you think all Saffers are super humans clearly a SA batsmen scoring in SA conditions shouldn't really be made a big deal !!


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    Absolutely, that's because he is a very good batsman / a legend in his own country only, and not in the all-time greats of cricket bracket.

    Amla belongs in the former bracket alongside the likes of Laxman and KP (average below 50 but above 45); the 50+ club is reserved for genuine ATGs such as Tendulkar, Ponting, Dravid, Lara, Sangakkara etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jusarrived View Post
    I dont get that logic , its their home infact SA players and to an extent English batsmen are at a massive advantage cos they are grow up in tough batting conditions . They never really have to adapt ?
    Compare that to a SC batsmen whos brought up on pitches with no bounce or swing and is expected to land in SA/Eng learn everything about bounce and swing in one practice match if hes lucky and is expected to average 50+ ? even if he does we are reluctant to give him the credit he deserves ?

    SA has produced as many ~50 avg batsmen as any other top team , unless you think all Saffers are super humans clearly a SA batsmen scoring in SA conditions shouldn't really be made a big deal !!
    I meant that batting in the top 3 is comparatively harder in South Africa than other countries.

    The numbers support that. Out of batsmen who have batted for 10+ matches in the top 3, only 3 have managed an average greater than 50. Bruce Mitchell several decades ago 51, Ponting 51, Amla 50.5.

    Apply the same criteria to any other country and you'll see that batsmen have it easier. This isn't just an opinion, it's statistics.

    It's no coincidence that most South African batsman who have batted in the top order have superior averages away from home. This applies to Smith, Kirsten, Gibbs, Kallis and Amla.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mayankp.sverige View Post
    Younis Khan is better than him , younis has better average
    Actually no.YK benefitted a lot because of not touring Eng SA Aus NZ much.Infact if i remember correctly there was a 7-8 yr period where YK didnt play any series outside Asia bar one.

    So in tests Amla and YK are quite equal.But overall Amla us better as he is a much better Odi player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Absolutely, that's because he is a very good batsman / a legend in his own country only, and not in the all-time greats of cricket bracket.

    Amla belongs in the former bracket alongside the likes of Laxman and KP (average below 50 but above 45); the 50+ club is reserved for genuine ATGs such as Tendulkar, Ponting, Dravid, Lara, Sangakkara etc.

    The 50 plus isnt a grade for ATGs anymore or the likes of MoYo YK Hussey et al will be considered ATGs.

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