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  1. #321
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    If you can’t perform in South Africa you won’t in Australia.

    So even if Azhar could score easy runs in the UAE, his successor needs to play to get him ready for the Australia Tests next December.

    So this match has to be the end for Azhar.

    Mickey and Inzamam should tell Azhar that there will be a press conference at 6 pm tonight. He can either use it to announce his retirement himself, or Mickey will use it to pay tribute to Azhar before his final Test innings.

    Either way, Azhar needs to know that this is his final Test.
    forgod sake stop coming up with stupid logic.

    The guy has a 200 in Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    forgod sake stop coming up with stupid logic.

    The guy has a 200 in Australia.
    When he was 31, on a dead wicket on which 14 wickets fell in the first three days.

    But next December he will be almost 35 years old, and since the age of 32 he has failed everywhere outside Asia - even against Ireland.

    Azhar Aliís past record in Australia is about as relevant as Hanif Mohammadís!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    When he was 31, on a dead wicket on which 14 wickets fell in the first three days.

    But next December he will be almost 35 years old, and since the age of 32 he has failed everywhere outside Asia - even against Ireland.

    Azhar Ali’s past record in Australia is about as relevant as Hanif Mohammad’s!
    35 so what?

    as long as he has fitness he can play.
    ANd please stop coming up with lame excuses like dead wicket.

    You dont wana give credit, just say it. The fact taht you keep making a thread on him just shows how much you hate him.

    THe guy is still the best Pakistani batsmen in the current test team. He avgs in the 40s and after him is Asad and then the newbies come in.

    Also, by the next series even this series will become irrelevant according to your logic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    forgod sake stop coming up with stupid logic.

    The guy has a 200 in Australia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    35 so what?

    as long as he has fitness he can play.
    ANd please stop coming up with lame excuses like dead wicket.

    You dont wana give credit, just say it. The fact taht you keep making a thread on him just shows how much you hate him.

    THe guy is still the best Pakistani batsmen in the current test team. He avgs in the 40s and after him is Asad and then the newbies come in.

    Also, by the next series even this series will become irrelevant according to your logic.
    With respect, youíre living in the past.

    Azhar Ali has averaged less than 30 the last two years.

    He was never fit like Younis and Misbah, and his hand-eye coordination has gone forever. Younis and Misbah were freaks retaining most of their ability into their forties.

    Azhar Ali is roughly half the batsman he was two years ago, and heís just getting worse and worse as his physical powers diminish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The guy was never an international quality player, he at best will always be a leg spinner turned batsman, he has significantly punched above his weight throughout his career and can pay eternal gratitude to Misbah ul Haq for giving him such unpressurized backing and selection because he suited the exact brand of cricket he loved otherwise a captain like Kohli would have seen through his useless night watchman style 30, 40, 50 of 200 plus deliveries.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Come on!!!!!

    He is in his last purple patch -by the time he settles into Test side (remember, next Test is in OCT), he'll show same Azhar Ali syndrome. Abid was definitely hard done by, but that was 6-7 years back (I posted his career stats by year in his thread) - now, it's time to bring officially U23 players. We can only hope that the investment in Imam earns some return.
    There are no decent U23 openers at the moment.

    I was initially against Abid's selection to the A team due to his age. However in four A team matches against Australia, New Zealand, and England Lions he averaged 74 with two hundreds and four fifties.

    He can be a good stop gap until we find someone younger.

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    It is so lame not sure what to say.

    Shafiq should have been dropped way back given his performance once in a blue moon and at this moment, questions should have been put against Azhar Ali as well.

    However, as it seems, these two will continue ahead as well and are not getting dropped.

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    Goodbye Azhar Ali.

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    Time to be dropped. I don't think he will get back into the team If he is dropped. Time to move on. He has done a good job but you can't be this limited and play international cricket.

    I would make wholesale changes to this test team. Go with younger players and a new captain. Really don't care who it is. We won't turn into a world class team by getting rid of the non performers straight away. But I would rather try something else than stick with something that isn't working and won't change.

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    Misbah ul Haq's legacy for Pakistan is his Janasheen Azhar Ali. Gifted Pakistan an equally pathetic player whom he recommended for odi captaincy to the pcb

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    Why are you guys this naive? Seniors can not be dropped in Pakistan. Too much media pressure on selectors.

    NOT happening. Azhar and Asad will be there in Perth, Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Misbah ul Haq's legacy for Pakistan is his Janasheen Azhar Ali. Gifted Pakistan an equally pathetic player whom he recommended for odi captaincy to the pcb
    Dont forget Waqar Younis. He "deserves" an equal amount of credit.

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    With the batting talent that we have, this is surely not his last test. Even if he is dropped for a series after 9 months he will make a comeback

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    I’m not sure if today is the day he should retire becuase I think his form could return soon.

    But I think he could be great commentator for us. He would rid us of Ramiz atleast

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    Innings - 6; Runs - 59; Ave - 9.83


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    If Azhar had any self respect he would retire 🤦*♂️

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Misbah ul Haq's legacy for Pakistan is his Janasheen Azhar Ali. Gifted Pakistan an equally pathetic player whom he recommended for odi captaincy to the pcb

    A limited batsman who made the most of his potential. And in fairness achieved a lot through hardwork and mental fortitude.

    Undoubtedly ought to be dropped but let's show a little restraint and appreciation for his services and integrity.

    It's easy to kick a man when he is down,
    I do have a soft spot for him as unlike Shafiq he has delivered meaningful runs for us in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Innings - 6; Runs - 59; Ave - 9.83
    He's made Hafeez proud.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Confucius View Post
    A limited batsman who made the most of his potential. And in fairness achieved a lot through hardwork and mental fortitude.

    Undoubtedly ought to be dropped but let's show a little restraint and appreciation for his services and integrity.

    It's easy to kick a man when he is down,
    I do have a soft spot for him as unlike Shafiq he has delivered meaningful runs for us in the past.
    Not sure, how many other batsmen in domestic cricket got a chance in the test side under Misbah ul Haq's UAE reign, how would they have done with such unpressurized backing for 7 years. Did Pakistan have better batting alternatives?

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    Best time to drop him and move on to someone else. Specially with the next test series being against Sri Lanka. No disrespect but a great opposition to groom Saad Ali into the test team.

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    I think the next series is after 8 months, this series will be forgotten and Azhar will continue his merry run in the UAE and fail again in Aus. may be after aus series provided a bad show like this he might be dropped.

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    It's funny how players of the caliber of Wasim and Waqar ended their careers with no celebrations, while pathetic players like Azhar and hafeez will get standing ovations and farewells. Unbelievable the levels we have stooped to.
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 14th January 2019 at 00:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    I think the next series is after 8 months, this series will be forgotten and Azhar will continue his merry run in the UAE and fail again in Aus. may be after aus series provided a bad show like this he might be dropped.
    India faced the same issue in 2012 after the Australian series whitewash but Dravid chose to retire graciously and the selectors by the time of the next NZ domestic series sent a message to VVS Laxman that they were surprised that he hadn't announced his retirement during this time period and that if he wasn't going to do so then he was not going to be picked by the selectors for the NZ series

    Its up to the selectors what they do now given that I don't expect Azhar Ali to do the right thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Not sure, how many other batsmen in domestic cricket got a chance in the test side under Misbah ul Haq's UAE reign, how would they have done with such unpressurized backing for 7 years. Did Pakistan have better batting alternatives?
    We have always struggled to generate quality main stay test openers, even in the 90's excluding Anwar. Misbah was right to back him and set the right precedent of giving players a cushion to play without fear. Some investments don't pay off.... Shafiq etc.. I don't have the answer to your question whether there were better alternatives for the opening position, maybe? Or maybe we over rate the depth of our batting talent, can only judge what is infront of me.

    On a side note I wish Fakhar was given atleast ten tests to see whether he was cutt out for test cricket. It takes attack minded batsman longer to find their way in test cricket as hapless as he looked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    India faced the same issue in 2012 after the Australian series whitewash but Dravid chose to retire graciously and the selectors by the time of the next NZ domestic series sent a message to VVS Laxman that they were surprised that he hadn't announced his retirement during this time period and that if he wasn't going to do so then he was not going to be picked by the selectors for the NZ series

    Its up to the selectors what they do now given that I don't expect Azhar Ali to do the right thing
    Laxman was picked for the NZ series, but he announced his retirement immediately after he was selected. There were criticisms going around about his performance which hurt him, and he decided that he should pave way for the younger players.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Laxman was picked for the NZ series, but he announced his retirement immediately after he was selected. There were criticisms going around about his performance which hurt him, and he decided that he should pave way for the younger players.
    Am sure both Azhar Ali and Sarfaraz know what the entire country feels about them right now via social media

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    For all the admiration I have for Misbah, he has set a bad precedent. Azhar will never retire until he is at least 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Am sure both Azhar Ali and Sarfaraz know what the entire country feels about them right now via social media
    Stepping down voluntarily is never easy for any player. Cricket is their bread and butter.


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    If PP ever arranges a Q&A with Azhar - I have a burning desire to know: ACTUALLY, WHY HE DECIDED TO DROP DON'T FROM OPENING? Guy was opening in ODI, which isn't his best format and decided not to open in Test!!!!!

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    Averages 29 now in both England and New Zealand, while his average in South Africa has gone down to 16 after this torrid series.

    Those are not the averages of a senior player

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Stepping down voluntarily is never easy for any player. Cricket is their bread and butter.
    Country comes first before any individual. You can make the argument that domestic players and young players don't have the means to pursue something else if Cricket isn't working out but the likes of Azhar Ali, Sarfaraz have made more than enough to learn other skills or pursue other business ventures and not be dependent on Cricket being their sole bread and butter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Country comes first before any individual. You can make the argument that domestic players and young players don't have the means to pursue something else if Cricket isn't working out but the likes of Azhar Ali, Sarfaraz have made more than enough to learn other skills or pursue other business ventures and not be dependent on Cricket being their sole bread and butter
    We can count the number of players from both India and Pakistan who have retired on their own without being dropped. Forget about the players who have retired on the top. From India, only Sunny comes to mind. It runs in our culture.


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    Azhar looks technically and mentally shot, his small reflexs are gone, hes not going to improve, time to move on. Most teams now will pepper him with short stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Azhar looks technically and mentally shot, his small reflexs are gone, hes not going to improve, time to move on. Most teams now will pepper him with short stuff.
    The fact he has been dismissed 5 times in the exact same manner in this series is more of an indictment on Grant Flower and what the heck has he been doing behind the scenes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The fact he has been dismissed 5 times in the exact same manner in this series is more of an indictment on Grant Flower and what the heck has he been doing behind the scenes
    Damn right bro/ bhai - bloody Grant Flower should have used some heavy make up and come out to bat for this poor innocent azhar - shame on Grant!!!

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    I love Azhar Ali for being an underdog with limited strokeplay to become a senior and reliable batsman for Pakistan. He is the common man who got in the team by his dedication and hard work and played with stars who never put a day in the gym. But I do realize that age has caught up to him rather quickly given he is a grinder and survived and thrived on his reflexes to grind the bowlers down. So the time has come for him to say goodbye and I hope he does it himself and is accorded due thanks from Pakistani's.

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    Sorry for being harsh, he is a selfless player and has contributed well but in Misbah-Younis era. This should be his last series. a player who does'nt know how to play pull shot or can't square cut effectively should'nt be near the team. Limited technique players remove pressure of performance on others also. Every bowler will bowl down his chin and he'll glove/nick it behind the stumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The fact he has been dismissed 5 times in the exact same manner in this series is more of an indictment on Grant Flower and what the heck has he been doing behind the scenes
    You wonder what work coaches are doing, plus with a tour to Australia end if year with a game in perth we dont need tail enders like Azhar in the team.

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    I'm not buying this whole 'he should be opening' excuse. He is averaging 9 this series. Nine. That is bad even for a tailender, let alone your senior batsman. Do people really think if he was opening he'd magically be scoring 50s and 100s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 786warrior View Post
    Damn right bro/ bhai - bloody Grant Flower should have used some heavy make up and come out to bat for this poor innocent azhar - shame on Grant!!!
    It just shows Flower has done zero work behind the scenes or whatever he has done is not working

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    It just shows Flower has done zero work behind the scenes or whatever he has done is not working
    Think both arguments have merits. Question really is - Azhar Ali in the Pakistan side to learn how to bat?


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    It’s a mental and technical issue. His method of play means he is looking to ride the bounce. I wouldn’t chuck him out just yet. But Pakistan does have a problem if their most experienced players will not be playing an international cricket for the next 9 months after this tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Think both arguments have merits. Question really is - Azhar Ali in the Pakistan side to learn how to bat?
    No hes not learning how to bat and is failing as a specalist nightwatchmen.


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