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    Quote Originally Posted by kaayal View Post
    Who knows whether he is a serial adulterer or not? And he just came out in public when caught red handed? See anything can happen.

    It's easy to blame others when your hero is on the other side.
    The problem is there is only ONE hero here. The other is a nobody. Something nobody can dispute.


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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    Exactly. He is being portrayed as a saint when he might not be one.
    Faryal is going to be the bakra in this whole saga. Note this twitter war was started by him not her.

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    The fight was over money, Amir realised that if he sided with the family the judges would take him to the cleaners so he played clever. He told the world that the family had taken his money so when it does go to court he will say he has nothing and hence the wife gets little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I can't even recalll an accusation against him apart from the skpe issue but that was before his marriage. The woman does not live in the real world, she thinks she is a grade A celeb when all of her followers on social media are due to being married to Amir. She caused fights within his family and wanted him to leave his whole family. of course nobody can know everything but all the evidence points to one man being a star, helping others and one woman who is nothing but narsicstic gold digger.
    There were other stories too that he didn't even deny.

    This is what I mean. He is the the 'innocent' How about accusations of his family treating her like dirt? Her brother abusing her on twitter? People hate her just because of the way she looks & dresses. There are two sides to a story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    Over his family? How? How do you know he was commited?
    He wasn't speaking to his old man because of it and sacked him from his role as boxing manager. Isn't that commitment enough? I heard they only very recently resumed normal relations, during the India-Pakistan game apparently

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    There were other stories too that he didn't even deny.

    This is what I mean. He is the the 'innocent' How about accusations of his family treating her like dirt? Her brother abusing her on twitter? People hate her just because of the way she looks & dresses. There are two sides to a story.
    Neither of them are innocent, he's just the lesser of the two evils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The fight was over money, Amir realised that if he sided with the family the judges would take him to the cleaners so he played clever. He told the world that the family had taken his money so when it does go to court he will say he has nothing and hence the wife gets little.
    No some of his staff and friends took some of his money, he sacked them and moved on. You're getting your wires crossed here.


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    Very immature and shameful . Though it's was a norm between them lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dios View Post
    Feel bad for him but I have to say that the writing was on the wall. He comes from a conservative background and was unlikely to be able to keep up with her for much longer. It's an important lesson for youngsters to not just go for looks/physical attraction when choosing a life partner.

    Btw I have seen a few of her recent pics and she just seems like a Kardashian wannabe. All the plastic surgery is apparent.

    Comes from a 'conservative background' yet can't keep his trousers on for more than 5 minutes - he's been all over the tabloids for years. Yet it's always the girl who get the bulk of the criticism in situations like this. They are both as bad as each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    Neither of them are innocent, he's just the lesser of the two evils.
    How can you judge that? Is that based on her appearance/ her way of talking or because she is a nobody compared to your so called "star"??

    They are both idiots in same measure. Faryal proved it by her previous twitter rows and now Amir just made it equal by this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    He wasn't speaking to his old man because of it and sacked him from his role as boxing manager. Isn't that commitment enough? I heard they only very recently resumed normal relations, during the India-Pakistan game apparently
    It was a dispute over money/business actually.

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    So is it confirmed that the tweets accusing Anthony are from Amir himself ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    It was a dispute over money/business actually.
    Not according to his old man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaayal View Post
    How can you judge that? Is that based on her appearance/ her way of talking or because she is a nobody compared to your so called "star"??

    They are both idiots in same measure. Faryal proved it by her previous twitter rows and now Amir just made it equal by this.
    Has nothing to do with her appearance. Isn't she the one that publicised their problems via social media? He's not my star, I admire him as a boxer only.

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    I must say the girl played Khan like a fiddle.

    She is set for life now! At least until the kid turns 18.

    Don't see Amir Khan coming back from this slump.

    A lesson for those who wanna learn. Girls this one should be avoided and a man should never commit to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    Has nothing to do with her appearance. Isn't she the one that publicised their problems via social media? He's not my star, I admire him as a boxer only.
    And he is the one that started the twittee farce today. The guy is an embarassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    And he is the one that started the twittee farce today. The guy is an embarassment.
    Maybe, but she lit the fireworks back in the day.

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    And nobody is thinking about the poor kid that is stuck in the middle.

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    @Gabbar Singh conservative background only applies to one gender in this type of situation. Amirs misdemeanours are washed away with the boys will be boys addage.

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    I see why everyone is defending AK only because of Faryls fake looks and fake accent, but IT WAS AMIR who put the dirty laundry out in the public first.


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    amir has done a lot of work for charity and helped the poor in Pakistan. Respect for him for that . But his actions today were really poor.

    shouldnt air your dirty laundry. but this couple can never do things quietly it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Nobody is perfect but it's obvious he's the decent one between them.
    Nothing decent about dragging Joshua into his spat with his wife. Unless of course it's true, but I can't really see why Joshua would be chasing a married woman with a young child in tow.


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    Incredible immaturity from both.

    You have a daughter for God's sake.


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    An inevitable end. He should've listened to his family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    No some of his staff and friends took some of his money, he sacked them and moved on. You're getting your wires crossed here.
    The Biggest amount will be the one that his dad "took", which will obviously reduce the amount the wife can get as a settlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Nothing decent about dragging Joshua into his spat with his wife. Unless of course it's true, but I can't really see why Joshua would be chasing a married woman with a young child in tow.
    Plus there's nothing special about her. AJ is the heavyweight champion of the world. If he wanted a fling there's loads of girls to choose from.

    None of this makes sense now that AK has admitted he wrote the tweets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1903 View Post
    An inevitable end. He should've listened to his family.
    His family is wild too.

    The man is surrounded by clowns and of course is one himself too.


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    They are making fools of themselves by washing their laundry in public. It's Amir's family who didn't like their daughter in laws westernised attitude and dress sense. Her love for plastic surgery and changing her appearance by various means also seemed to be a problem with them. The lady was never really religious to begin with so Amir should have married a burkha clad one if he wanted a stay at home wife. Of course part of the reason Faryal married him was his wealth and fame that is the case with all celebrities. Amir should move on instead of making cheap remarks against her. Not a good idea for even a lady to live with the in laws after marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    His family is wild too.

    The man is surrounded by clowns and of course is one himself too.
    He is bar far the greatest South Asian Boxer of all time and argueably a top 10 British great this century.

    She is just a £ shop Kim Kardasgian wanna be

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    They are making fools of themselves by washing their laundry in public. It's Amir's family who didn't like their daughter in laws westernised attitude and dress sense. Her love for plastic surgery and changing her appearance by various means also seemed to be a problem with them. The lady was never really religious to begin with so Amir should have married a burkha clad one if he wanted a stay at home wife. Of course part of the reason Faryal married him was his wealth and fame that is the case with all celebrities. Amir should move on instead of making cheap remarks against her. Not a good idea for even a lady to live with the in laws after marriage.
    Agreed, this family makes the Dingles from Emmerdale look sane and respectable. They are a complete shambles and if there was an example of money not bringing class, they are it.

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    He should quit boxing now, it has already damaged his brain it seems. Just live on reputation and travel around the world and give lectures and earn big.


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    So sad to see this happen such a good guy and a role model. His wife always looked like trouble, in America you stay away from those girls if you are a brown guy. Hope AK recovers from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjahmed23 View Post
    So sad to see this happen such a good guy and a role model. His wife always looked like trouble, in America you stay away from those girls if you are a brown guy. Hope AK recovers from this.
    Role model? What role was he playing to be qualified as a role model?

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    @KingKhanWC I think I owe you an apology my friend, I defended Amir's relationship with Faryal in the past during the family feud but you were right all along. This relationship it seems has been extremely toxic and evidently has affected his boxing career as well.

    Also, you should avoid debating about the sport of boxing with absolute clueless noobs; barring you and a few others, the majority clearly do not know sh!t about boxing in the words of Roger Mayweather so they should stick to the showbiz dirt because that's what they are limited to and revelling in the misery of others, especially certain Indian posters who are not worthy to carry Amir's kit bag and will never amount to success on his level besides defending their undisputed title when it comes to being senile, envious and extremely bitter / jealous due to their lack of masculinity.

    Furthermore extremely disappointed in the recent turn of events but at the same time good riddance! good bye Faryal, there are about 30 women on the corners of Bolton just like you so it's not really a loss for Amir but it's incredibly sad that the two of you have a child together who has been caught up in all this mess. Amir Khan certainly has his faults, there's no denying the darkness he indulged in during his past but he got through it so unfair to define him by all the bad. Looks like Faryal may have been acquainted with Anthony Joshua, it's not productive for the marriage and it's sad she made that choice but then again Amir has his own dirt to so in that regard both are as bad as each other and it's only fitting that they have decided to separate when clearly there is no love between them it seems.

    I do criticise Amir a little for airing the dirty laundry in public but he's obviously not thinking straight and something definetly happened with regards to Faryal / Joshua not necessarily saying she cheated on him but something did happen or else Amir would not be bringing it up. Amir looked quiet sad and devastated in that video, I hope this doesn't affect him too much mentally but if there's anyone to get through this rough patch it is him; Khan is by far one of the mentally strongest people I've ever seen in the sport of Boxing. Anyhow @KingKhanWC I suppose you were right about fighters keeping the relationships during ones boxing career and maybe even delaying marriage until you are done as a fighter, you simply can not afford any distractions when you put it all on the line stepping in that squared circle because you risk it all and push your prowess mentally and physically; the average person will never quiet understand what fighters go through but are quick to resort to cheap shots due to their own lack of progress, many of the English fans can be excused in a way for their dislike for Amir due to the usual reasons but when his own community disowns a role model yes he is a role model then it's quiet pathetic really because Amir wasn't handed everything on a plate, he's a working class hero who got to the position he's in through immense sacrifice, hard work and a never say die attitude.

    With regards to Amir's career he is without a doubt an all time great british fighter and easily ranks in the top 10 of Great Britain's history. Amir Khan began to box from the age of 8 years old and competitively by 11, he was someone who was a little troublesome and his father took him to the gym to burn off all his hyper energy, Khan would fall in love with boxing and he kept at it despite all his external pressures with regards to study and family; recognising his new found passion, Shah and Amir's uncle Taj would take Amir all around the country for amateur fights, they would drive him all around the country and supported him thankfully. During this period Amir would win multiple national championships and he'd then claim the gold medal at the Junior Olympics in 2003.

    Then as the SOLE representative of the British Boxing Olympic team Amir as a 17 year old would capture the imagination of the public by putting on a sparkling performance at the 2004 Athens games en-route to winning an Olympic Silver medal losing to the legendary Cuban Mario Kindalen; Amir at the games was Britains youngest boxer since 1976 and one of their youngest medalists in history. Khan would end his amateur career with a stunning 101 wins and just 9 loses.

    Many people forget this but prior to Amir Khan's triumph there had been a very tiny number of fighters who managed to win Olympic medals, this was due to the sports board not funding Boxing and having little faith in the grass root talent; Amir Khan's triumph which captured the public's imagination would result in increased funding for Boxing and in the following games a record number of British Boxers qualified for the 2008 games (8) with many citing Khan as their inspiration. Put it this way, since 1948 team GB boxing won a total of 20 medals! after Amir Khan's triumph in 2004 they won 11 ! so lets not excuse this monumental feat because Amir inspired a generation and truly elevated the sport of Boxing in Britain during a very very dry period, were it not for his Triumph perhaps Team GB Boxing would not have received sufficient investment to progress their Olympic ambition.

    Moving on, the spotlight was on Amir from day one which is very unique for a pro boxer let alone a 17 year old. There wasn't even as much attention and pressure on Lennox Lewis when he made his pro debut ! As the wold eagerly awaited Amir Khan's pro debut, he decided to wait out a year so he could avenge his Olympic defeat to Mario Kindelan; it speaks volumes of his character, Khan would set up a high profile fight (quite rare for an amateur bout) in his hometown of Bolton which did great numbers on TV and at the live gate, he would then beat Mario and turn pro.

    ITV would be waiting for him with a lucrative contract and Amir under the guidance of Oliver Harison and Frank Warren accumulated quite the reputation on the domestic circuit, he was rarely involved in a dull fight and whether you loved or hated him Khan entertained, his overconfidence with regards to his ambitions and goals would often rub people the wrong way but that was just Khan's character, Olympians are a unique breed when it comes to their relentlessness. The mistake on Khan's part during this phase was that he did not have a professional team around him to truly guide his career and as a young man you can understand the naivety, Khan a boxer whom Barry Mcguin once claimed to have as much ability / talent as Sugar Ray Leonard would be a victim of short term thrills at the expense of long term gains, it would have been wiser for Khan to have enlisted the services of Emanuel Steward and Jimmy Tibs to develop his in-ring IQ and make smarter choices on the way up with regards to his career; while Amir has done exceptionally well, we'd not be advocating his greatness as a Great British Fighter but an all time great fighter.

    Anyhow Khan would win again and again before getting rid of Harrison and signing with a Cuban coach named Rubio on short notice who also recommended Khan should take on undefeated Prescott who was a young prospect at the time just like Khan. Now the casual observer just look at the defeat because that's what they are limited to but never analyse the external factors, for one Khan had the worst training camp up until that point leading up the Prescott fight, he was in no shape or form and had not trained adequately given the shenanigans amongst his team.

    Prescott would then blow Amir Khan away in 60 seconds and amidst the immense pressure of the spot light which we often overlook Amir Khan was labelled a Fraud, Chinny! he is done! career is over! and for many that may have been the case, please see the career of Audley Harrison. Khan suffered a devastating KO but people forget how he still got up after taking that shot, he did not quit and he certainly did not quit in defeat, Imran Khan once said that it's not defeat which is your end but it's being demoralised by defeat, Khan a year later would defeat the exceptional and incredibly underrated Andreas Kotelnik to become World Champion ! the second youngest in Britains history!

    Thus would begin the greatest spell in Amir Khan's career, during this time he'd switch to the Wild Card and Freddie Roach would guide him during this golden period, for all the hate Amir got in the UK he wasn't even there during his prime! it was actually great to move away from that toxic environment to a country which is a lot more knowledgeable and appreciative when it comes to Boxing. Khan would then defeat everyone at 140 literally from the likes of Paulie Malignaggi to Zab Juda to the dangerous Marcos Maidana who had life and death with the legendary Floyd Mayweather and Amir Khan almost knocked him out in 1 round were it not for his opponent being saved by the bell.

    As a world champion khan did not hold his world title hostage or hide at home, he gave his title immense respect and avoided nobody; many expected him to duck Maidana given that he was 10x more ferocious and talented then Prescott was and they also labelled him a chinny fighter who'd most definitely get savagely Knocked Out. It's also worth pointing out that Marcos was Amir's mandatory and he earned that title with a devastating KO over Victor Ortiz which Khan watched while he was ring side ! am pretty sure he didn't find that too pleasing on the eye yet his fighting spirit and big heart proved to be pivotal in a monumental points victory over Maidana in a fight for the ages.

    Khan would then lose to a roided up Lamont Peterson controversially on points before challenging Danny Garcia for the lineal 140 Welterweight world unification championship in what should have been a career defining victory over an opponent tailor made for his style, Khan at this point was also in the official top 10 P4P ranking in the world. In the lead up to this fight an old boogeyman would once again show up ! turmoil in the camp ! it's never simple is it when it comes to Pakistani's ! there were rifts with Asif Vali and the fitness coach Alex Ariza, Freddie Roach was in his own world and not dedicating enough time to Amir and there are actually videos online of Amir getting involved in brainless sparring wars like days before a high profile fight, amidst the camp shenanigans Danny Garcia's father would also manage to get under Amir's skin with racist remarks and then on fight night Amir would come out like a bull in a china shop with no real game plan or support from his team trying to KO Garcia, he had the worst camp of his career and ultimately paid the price in a KO defeat but Amir would once again get up each time and while I won't argue with the stoppage it was premature in my eyes.

    See the common factor in his defeats? god awful training camp and a shambles of a team, the only fighter to beat him clean was Canelo because Amir did have some issues behind the scenes as we all know but he trained exceptionally well but in the end lost to a man who had rehydrated and was around 30lb heavier then him on fight night and even then Khan made him look out of his depth with his superior boxing ability ! Khan out of desperation and insane courage decided to move up two weights to get a big super fight when the likes of Manny and Floyd kept on ducking him. Manny admittedly was overly protective by Bob Arum and he has the Pac-Man in a slave contract unfortunately having learned from Floyd one upping Top Rank years ago.

    And Floyd when it made all the sense in the world decided not to face Amir after watching him make a highly rated former World Champion in Devon Alexander look like a rank amateur ! Amir Khan is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd as he tends to struggle with fighters who are quick (See Castillo and Oscar De La Hoya fights) which is why he refused to face him on two occasions when it made sense and more recently when he decided to take on Andre Berto when it made zero financial sense, Amir was the bigger draw but Floyd happily protected his 0 and did a mediocre 500K PPV buy rate.

    In the aftermath of the Garcia defeat, Khan obviously has had many problems which we've been aware of with regards to his team and personal life; he also made some bad career moves thanks to poor advice and did not know where his money was going after all these years having not paid a single bill trusting various people and while it's regrettable he wasted some of his best years chasing cowards like Floyd he remains undefeated at 147 pounds.

    So perhaps this separation may be a blessing in disguise for Amir Khan, the goal for him now will be to sort this divorce out ASAP and pay Faryal off and just 100% focus on Boxing; surely it's easier said then done but if anyone is the man it's Amir Khan given his incredible resilience and mental strength; not denying he is past his peak and is battle scarred being in the game since the age of 17 and while it will be challenging; winning another world title will be his ultimate redemption.

    But no one can dispute his accomplishments, many don't really have a clue so unless you know what you're talking about you shouldn't talk absolute nonsense with regards to his career but feel free to revel in his personal misery to feel better. Khan yes has underperformed and should have done so much better but under immense scrunity from day one as a young man and you look at all the turmoil and devastating KO defeats he has done quiet well for himself, they call him chinny but he took the best from Maidana and got up each time he was put down besides the Canelo fight who was 2 weights above him; his biggest weakness for me has been a poor in-ring IQ and knack for big lapses in concentration when it comes to his defence, he tends to stay in the pocket longer then he should but still has done really well as a multi weight champion on pure heart, hard work, resilience and his raw talent.

    These days you have fighters like Joshua who are glorified after beating Tomato Cans like Charles Martin for a dummy world title before beating a 41 year old grandad who was inactive for almost 2 years yet Khan has always fought the best, Britain has around 12 world champion and they have fought a combined total of 18 world champions; Amir Khan, meanwhile, has fought 12 world champions in a great career.

    Like I said not denying that I dislike what he did in the past with regards to his personal life but there's a lot of good to, he helps our community so much in Britain and not just Pakistani origin folk but all British citizens and whenever there's a crisis at home he is there or even abroad he's always on a plane to go and help, am not saying it's a bad thing but I hate it from the perspective of a fight fan because Amir has been behaving like a retired fighter and he has had a lot going on as well I suppose but Boxing is his bread and butter; being someone who is still keen on being active he should abandon all external duties and just focus on fighting. But his philanthropy has been exceptional and I know KingKhanWC you have mixed feelings with regards to him speaking out against various individuals when it comes to our faith but he never means no harm and has always tried his best to bury all the bad publicity.

    Khan had always supported Faryal and even distanced himself from his family at one point, he remained neutral during the initial spat and now has had enough after whatever it is which inspired his tweets and the inevitable separation and I have said already the past stuff he did was wrong but to label him a really bad person or one who is a failure etc is uncalled for and people need to seriously take a loot at themselves in the mirror because Amir whether you like it or not for many in fact is and will remain a role model whom is flawed but not defined by the bad in his life because there's so much good the man has done for the sport of boxing, his country, his people and those in need.

    So say what you like because as much as it will hate a lot of people, Amir Khan will do what Amir Khan does best; he will not quit on his stool whatever it is he pursues in life unlike all the mini Kell Brooks out there.

    And I agree with you KingKhanWC there are many options out there for him; especially being managed by Al Haymon helps who manages the best at 147, Lamont Peteson could be likely some time next year. Will Khan be successful ? hard to say and sure it will be a challenge but it's not far off to the point where I will say he is done for sure, at the same age Linares has done quiet well for himself and has suffered similar obstacles so it's all about Amir just focusing on his career from now on.


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    Man these two are a disgrace to Pakistanis raised overseas.
    @QalandarFan @Square Drive @aloo paratha @Abdul

    Because not all of us are like this except then you'll have those people who say that kids raised in Pakistan are nicer, more disciplined, etcetera etcetera; But I know for a fact that that's not the case.

    Okay I understand sometimes couples can't get along, but the way the separation between the two families has been documented is just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    @Gabbar Singh conservative background only applies to one gender in this type of situation. Amirs misdemeanours are washed away with the boys will be boys addage.
    This.

    The posters' bias is remarkable.
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    So a man can choose/leave a woman based on her looks but a woman can't choose/leave someone based on money?


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    @shaz619 , @kaayal is a woman poster and she has specified that no one is speaking against his boxing career. The issue here is not about his boxing career he defn was very good in that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So a man can choose/leave a woman based on her looks but a woman can't choose/leave someone based on money?
    Not a very feminist argument!. Quite mysogynistic actually which may not have been your purpose, ironically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1903 View Post
    Not a very feminist argument!. Quite mysogynistic actually which may not have been your purpose, ironically.
    Judgemental attitude should be towards both is what my point is,it cannot be that "Amir" is a victim here.


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    Even Kardashians look civilized in front of these two clowns. Is this becoming a new norm for celebrity relationships. Parents of a child airing their dirty laundry and calling it quits on social media. Shallowness have found new boundaries.


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    [QUOTE=JaDed;9389836]@shaz619 , @kaayal is a woman poster and she has specified that no one is speaking against his boxing career. The issue here is not about his boxing career he defn was very good in that.[/QUOTEl]

    I am envious and extremely bitter because of my lack of musculinity bro. Can't blame him.

    And I am afraid they will not allow me to pick his kitbag now...Maybe the 30 women in the corners of Bolton can help him in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So a man can choose/leave a woman based on her looks but a woman can't choose/leave someone based on money?
    wait! does that make sense?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    @shaz619 , @kaayal is a woman poster and she has specified that no one is speaking against his boxing career. The issue here is not about his boxing career he defn was very good in that.
    I didn't pay attention to her posts and wasn't reffering to her or you. Am sure said posters know who they are I have said all anyhow regarding his career and what happened, no justifications but just some facts in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So a man can choose/leave a woman based on her looks but a woman can't choose/leave someone based on money?
    It's fine anyhow as it stands not only is Khan the bigger name then Joshua his net worth is greater as well but when we're talking millions money is hardly an issue in this situation when both fighters are wealthy. Amir made mistakes in the past and now in this instance Faryal may have returned the favour; both are 100% equally in the wrong and it is the child who is the real victim. However, with regards to Amirs endeavours she could have divorced him but they put it all in the past and moved on so what Faryal has done recently is surprising because she had the choice to leave him before and as of late have been on decent terms.

    Something obviously had been going on to escalate to this point in present though, obviously in our desi community there is a double standard in.that women tend to be vilified more then the guy but I still don't have sympathy for Faryal because everyone is a victim of their own deeds and am not saying Amir is some angel in that regard either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani1 View Post
    He is bar far the greatest South Asian Boxer of all time and argueably a top 10 British great this century.

    She is just a £ shop Kim Kardasgian wanna be
    His achievements mean little when it comes to his personality.

    Donald Trump is a billionaire and US president. He's still a clown.

    Same goes for Amir.

    And yes, Faryal is no better but this isn't much of a competition now is it?


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    Btw, could all of this nonsense relate back to...

    Amir Khan's astonishing family feud is set to be caught on camera in a Kardashian-style reality television show.

    In the same week that Khan's wife accused her husband's family of bullying and physical threats, a since-deleted Instagram post revealed plans for the new TV venture.
    Just one big marketing gimmick?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    It's fine anyhow as it stands not only is Khan the bigger name then Joshua his net worth is greater as well but when we're talking millions money is hardly an issue in this situation when both fighters are wealthy. Amir made mistakes in the past and now in this instance Faryal may have returned the favour; both are 100% equally in the wrong and it is the child who is the real victim. However, with regards to Amirs endeavours she could have divorced him but they put it all in the past and moved on so what Faryal has done recently is surprising because she had the choice to leave him before and as of late have been on decent terms.

    Something obviously had been going on to escalate to this point in present though, obviously in our desi community there is a double standard in.that women tend to be vilified more then the guy but I still don't have sympathy for Faryal because everyone is a victim of their own deeds and am not saying Amir is some angel in that regard either.
    With all due respect, you sound like a fan boy. AK a bigger name than AJ? One of these men is breaking box office records for the right reason.

    Up above you wrote quite a bit and some of it is POTW material, most of it's no where near. Sounds like you're saying AK's losses were everybody else's fault but his own. It's not Roach's or the training staff's fault that Khan isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and likes to brawl with a weak chin.

    Khan has immense skills but just doesn't have the brain to know how to use them properly and will always need a coach to plan his fights with pinpoint precision. AK had his best years from 2009-2012 when he was hovering around 145lb beatings the likes of Judah, Malignaggi, etc. His fight with Canelo just shows he has more balls than brains.

    Khan was touted to be one of the greatest of all-time with his skill set and that is why his fall, quite literally in his case, was too hard and too fast. He was expected to retain a big fat 0 for most of his career, instead he went unprepared against Prescott and was up against the chorus of negativity hurled at him. Showed character in coming back, robbed against Peterson but lost his cool against Garcia because Garcia Snr got under his skin. He let the Mayweather opportunity waste some of his best years in boxing.

    You wrote Mcguigan compared his ability to Sugar Ray Leonard. Well I'm glad you respect Mcguigan because he agrees with me when he says Khan even at 100% right now would struggle to beat a Pacquioua in his twilight years.

    Khan's career is no where near where it should have been and in the respect of boxing greatness, he's finished.

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    Her plastic surgery operations were ill thought out. She looked fine before them.

    She seems money and fame hungry and she will get it because the prenup was destroyed.

    Amirs boxing career also looks dead and with his money problems this couldn't have come at a worse time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    Her plastic surgery operations were ill thought out. She looked fine before them.

    She seems money and fame hungry and she will get it because the prenup was destroyed.

    Amirs boxing career also looks dead and with his money problems this couldn't have come at a worse time.
    It's not dead in the sense that he can bag fights. Just don't expect him to win any anytime soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    His achievements mean little when it comes to his personality.

    Donald Trump is a billionaire and US president. He's still a clown.

    Same goes for Amir.

    And yes, Faryal is no better but this isn't much of a competition now is it?
    Donald Trump came from money he wasn't self made, nor did he take punches to the head for a living.

    The bigger clowns are the people that voted for Trump lol.

    Faryal is a nobody modelled for Janaans says it all about her

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    It's not dead in the sense that he can bag fights. Just don't expect him to win any anytime soon
    If I was Khan I would ust start fighting local guys like eggington and one of Brooks best wins Gavin lol at home in Bolton rebuild hos fan base on his own promotion etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    It's not dead in the sense that he can bag fights. Just don't expect him to win any anytime soon
    He's been fighting for 12 years though.

    A boxers shelf life is limited and he should think about his health otherwise he can damage himself once your hand eye co ordination starts to disintegrate.

    Canelo fight was stupid and seems all about money. If that's so important then he will damage himself further in terms of health and legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    He's been fighting for 12 years though.

    A boxers shelf life is limited and he should think about his health otherwise he can damage himself once your hand eye co ordination starts to disintegrate.

    Canelo fight was stupid and seems all about money. If that's so important then he will damage himself further in terms of health and legacy.
    Canelo fight was more about bragging rights so he could attract enough attention for a Mayweather bout. He still has a year or two left depending on his weight and fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani1 View Post
    If I was Khan I would ust start fighting local guys like eggington and one of Brooks best wins Gavin lol at home in Bolton rebuild hos fan base on his own promotion etc
    I think his best chance is to sell him self in vengeance fights. He can build himself up and also check whether he's ready to compete at the top. I'd say go back to Prescott, Peterson and Danny Garcia. Then accept a Brook, Broner, Cortiz Garcia fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    With all due respect, you sound like a fan boy. AK a bigger name than AJ? One of these men is breaking box office records for the right reason.

    Up above you wrote quite a bit and some of it is POTW material, most of it's no where near. Sounds like you're saying AK's losses were everybody else's fault but his own. It's not Roach's or the training staff's fault that Khan isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and likes to brawl with a weak chin.

    Khan has immense skills but just doesn't have the brain to know how to use them properly and will always need a coach to plan his fights with pinpoint precision. AK had his best years from 2009-2012 when he was hovering around 145lb beatings the likes of Judah, Malignaggi, etc. His fight with Canelo just shows he has more balls than brains.

    Khan was touted to be one of the greatest of all-time with his skill set and that is why his fall, quite literally in his case, was too hard and too fast. He was expected to retain a big fat 0 for most of his career, instead he went unprepared against Prescott and was up against the chorus of negativity hurled at him. Showed character in coming back, robbed against Peterson but lost his cool against Garcia because Garcia Snr got under his skin. He let the Mayweather opportunity waste some of his best years in boxing.

    You wrote Mcguigan compared his ability to Sugar Ray Leonard. Well I'm glad you respect Mcguigan because he agrees with me when he says Khan even at 100% right now would struggle to beat a Pacquioua in his twilight years.

    Khan's career is no where near where it should have been and in the respect of boxing greatness, he's finished.
    Where have I not admitted his flaws with regards to his boxing career or his personal life for that matter, feel free to refute any specific point you have an issue with otherwise you're clearly lacking when it comes to objectivity or must be one of those haters who chat rubbish about Khan while they order donner meat and chips at Hassan Kebab house because you have an issue with his success or overconfidence.

    I pointed out as it stands Amir Khan is the bigger name then Joshua and his net worth is greater, these are facts. AJ certainly has the potential to surpass his name value but as it stands outside Britain who even knows AJ? how many fights has he had beyond Britain? How many top fighters in the division has he fought? how many events has headlined globally ?

    And "breaking box office records for the right reasons" which ones do those include? the ones where he beat bum after bum like PRINCE Charles Martin as the narrow minded gullible casual fan base ate up the gimmick which was being fed to them. AJ has been the star pupil of the matchroom model, hold world title belts hostage at home and feed them as many bums possible to cultivate their aura and with AJ being a HW it was only easier to sway the casual observers based on superficial marketing. And finally when AJ fought an opponent which would present a challenge he had life and death with a past his prime grandpa in his 40's who was unable to land a single punch on Tyson Fury 2 years earlier; and that was Wladmir who was actually active, AJ fought a guy who was inactive for 2 years and was lucky to survive thanks to awful corner advice from the Wladmir camp. AJ is definetly a draw and may well go on to do amazing numbers but at this point Amir is the bigger name and has accomplished 10x more then him, this is based on his resume and global success in addition to all the events he has headlined as the main-event. Amir was the headline act from day one, AJ was on the undercard of events headlined by Lee Selby to begin with ! so it's incredibly ignorant to even remotely suggest AJ is the bigger name, now that is fan boying to its core.

    And if there's a specific point in that post you'd like to refute feel free to do so I have no problem with that but lets address what you've said thus far. Firstly I've not said anywhere that Amir is not accountable on any level for his defeats, but the consensus in general suggests that he was entirely responsible; now that is plain stupid. What is this rubbish about not the training staff or Roach's fault, can't you comprehend simple stuff? this is like saying oh if Pakistan lose a cricket game Mickey Arther should not be held accountable what kind of baqwas is that? it's the job of his team to get him prepared at the required level and ensure an adequate camp at the very least, it was under that same team that he had the best run of his career and it is thick to assume that a bad training camp and in-fighting are not instrumental in those defeats because if you fail to prepare you are preparing to fail. I have also admitted that Khan's boxing IQ is not his forte and it would have been better if he enlisted the services of Emanuel Steward and Jimmy Tibbs when he turned pro.

    Off course he is past his peak now ! and I've admitted that it will be a challenge for him to turn things around and I also respect Barry Mcguigans opinion (also am unsure but Barry may have mentioned either Leonard or Robinson; he wrote the prologue to Amir's autobiography after he had won the Silver and pointed it out but can't remember which Sugar Ray it was) but it's not impossible if you've followed the career of Jorge Linares. Yes he has certainly under-performed but folk shouldn't let that distract them from what he has already accomplished and it's a great career regardless; he has made his money to although the finances could have been managed better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    I think his best chance is to sell him self in vengeance fights. He can build himself up and also check whether he's ready to compete at the top. I'd say go back to Prescott, Peterson and Danny Garcia. Then accept a Brook, Broner, Cortiz Garcia fight
    Yes Broner a good shout but he wanted it at a catchweight.

    If Khan can't beat Broner he might as well retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Where have I not admitted his flaws with regards to his boxing career or his personal life for that matter, feel free to refute any specific point you have an issue with otherwise you're clearly lacking when it comes to objectivity or must be one of those haters who chat rubbish about Khan while they order donner meat and chips at Hassan Kebab house because you have an issue with his success or overconfidence.

    I pointed out as it stands Amir Khan is the bigger name then Joshua and his net worth is greater, these are facts. AJ certainly has the potential to surpass his name value but as it stands outside Britain who even knows AJ? how many fights has he had beyond Britain? How many top fighters in the division has he fought? how many events has headlined globally ?

    And "breaking box office records for the right reasons" which ones do those include? the ones where he beat bum after bum like PRINCE Charles Martin as the narrow minded gullible casual fan base ate up the gimmick which was being fed to them. AJ has been the star pupil of the matchroom model, hold world title belts hostage at home and feed them as many bums possible to cultivate their aura and with AJ being a HW it was only easier to sway the casual observers based on superficial marketing. And finally when AJ fought an opponent which would present a challenge he had life and death with a past his prime grandpa in his 40's who was unable to land a single punch on Tyson Fury 2 years earlier; and that was Wladmir who was actually active, AJ fought a guy who was inactive for 2 years and was lucky to survive thanks to awful corner advice from the Wladmir camp. AJ is definetly a draw and may well go on to do amazing numbers but at this point Amir is the bigger name and has accomplished 10x more then him, this is based on his resume and global success in addition to all the events he has headlined as the main-event. Amir was the headline act from day one, AJ was on the undercard of events headlined by Lee Selby to begin with ! so it's incredibly ignorant to even remotely suggest AJ is the bigger name, now that is fan boying to its core.

    And if there's a specific point in that post you'd like to refute feel free to do so I have no problem with that but lets address what you've said thus far. Firstly I've not said anywhere that Amir is not accountable on any level for his defeats, but the consensus in general suggests that he was entirely responsible; now that is plain stupid. What is this rubbish about not the training staff or Roach's fault, can't you comprehend simple stuff? this is like saying oh if Pakistan lose a cricket game Mickey Arther should not be held accountable what kind of baqwas is that? it's the job of his team to get him prepared at the required level and ensure an adequate camp at the very least, it was under that same team that he had the best run of his career and it is thick to assume that a bad training camp and in-fighting are not instrumental in those defeats because if you fail to prepare you are preparing to fail. I have also admitted that Khan's boxing IQ is not his forte and it would have been better if he enlisted the services of Emanuel Steward and Jimmy Tibbs when he turned pro.

    Off course he is past his peak now ! and I've admitted that it will be a challenge for him to turn things around and I also respect Barry Mcguigans opinion (also am unsure but Barry may have mentioned either Leonard or Robinson; he wrote the prologue to Amir's autobiography after he had won the Silver and pointed it out but can't remember which Sugar Ray it was) but it's not impossible if you've followed the career of Jorge Linares. Yes he has certainly under-performed but folk shouldn't let that distract them from what he has already accomplished and it's a great career regardless; he has made his money to although the finances could have been managed better.
    Yep people forget is Fury is the champ until beaten or retired

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani1 View Post
    If I was Khan I would ust start fighting local guys like eggington and one of Brooks best wins Gavin lol at home in Bolton rebuild hos fan base on his own promotion etc
    My issue with him is his lack of activity in the ring, if you watch his fight against Canelo that was the best he had fought in like years he paced himself beautifully, held the centre of the ring and Canelo was in serious trouble am pretty sure after 5 rounds a lot of us were thinking, man could it happen?; there was big defensive lapse but he was going to get KO'd eventually given the huge difference in weight but performance wise he did not look out of his depth and it was Canelo who was made to look like a rank amateur. Khan has his vulnerabilities but he's one of the toughest fighters out there to win rounds against which is why so many fighters tend to duck him even those with pop in their hands, I think Khan should look to fight the mentally weak Kell Brook ASAP; Kell is a decent name on the british domestic circuit and casual fantards worship him like a god, I think it will be a great warm up for Amir before he moves on to Lamont Peterson


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    Quote Originally Posted by mani1 View Post
    Yep people forget is Fury is the champ until beaten or retired
    Fury if you look at his record even at the domestic level and european level he fought some high quality fighters, people complained about Hammer but same guy stopped highly rated prospect Price. Fury is a fighting man and he fought the best en-route to earning a shot at Wladmir, was also expected to face Haye who pulled out twice. Fury is really unpredictable lol so am not sure if he's going to return, the Ring have not stripped him from his lineal title either and you're right no one can talk until they beat him and the retirement is not official either like you say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mani1 View Post
    Donald Trump came from money he wasn't self made, nor did he take punches to the head for a living.

    The bigger clowns are the people that voted for Trump lol.

    Faryal is a nobody modelled for Janaans says it all about her
    Many "self-made" celebrities/athletes are clowns. This isn't something new.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mani1 View Post
    He is bar far the greatest South Asian Boxer of all time and argueably a top 10 British great this century.
    Lol that isnt saying much. Also funny how he is sometimes British and sometimes south Asian.

    He is a trash person who is in all honesty a joke

    Boxing career is down in the toilet

    Has had public fall out with his parents and admonished his dad on tv.

    And now can't deal with his wife so airs dirty laundry

    What a failure

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    And it's hilarious that so many of this clown's fans come up with so many excuses

    So let me get this straight. All of his many losses are to be blamed on anyone but himself? He is in charge of his career and the trainers he picks.

    Also very disgraceful comment on desi women from Bolton. Have some respect for women.

    The fact is that the dude is a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Lol that isnt saying much. Also funny how he is sometimes British and sometimes south Asian.

    He is a trash person who is in all honesty a joke

    Boxing career is down in the toilet

    Has had public fall out with his parents and admonished his dad on tv.

    And now can't deal with his wife so airs dirty laundry

    What a failure
    Oh lol and what is your view on her and her modelling career lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mani1 View Post
    Oh lol and what is your view on her and her modelling career lol
    She's a joke as well

    But Amir clearly can't take care of anything he is responsible for

    Humiliated his parents on tv. Boxing career is down the toilet. Can't satisfy his wife apparently and marriage is in the toilet too

    The only constant here is Amir Khan. It's time he takes some responsibility and his fans look at this rationally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    She's a joke as well

    But Amir clearly can't take care of anything he is responsible for

    Humiliated his parents on tv. Boxing career is down the toilet. Can't satisfy his wife apparently and marriage is in the toilet too

    The only constant here is Amir Khan. It's time he takes some responsibility and his fans look at this rationally.
    His boxing career is no where near in the toilet. Whilst he is well past his best he still has plenty of fights left especially if he goes the way of Kell Brook and fights carefully managed opponents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Where have I not admitted his flaws with regards to his boxing career or his personal life for that matter, feel free to refute any specific point you have an issue with otherwise you're clearly lacking when it comes to objectivity or must be one of those haters who chat rubbish about Khan while they order donner meat and chips at Hassan Kebab house because you have an issue with his success or overconfidence.

    Where have I said you've not admitted his flaws? Calling him a role model is bit too much, inspirational, yes; role model, no. I don't like donner meat except from one place in Bradford, don't know where Hassan Kebab House is. Can't even remember the last time I ate donner mean and chips, prefer pizza.

    I also respect him as a boxer and wish him every success but there's not much to be had in the future unfortunately. It's his overconfidence that caused him to lose to Garcia, the same with his Canelo fight. In the words of Mcguigan "He bit off more than he could chew". As a fellow Brit Pakistani there's no reason why I wouldn't want him to do well.


    I've never said otherwise. Your mentioning of the coaching staff is ridiculous.

    I pointed out as it stands Amir Khan is the bigger name then Joshua and his net worth is greater, these are facts. AJ certainly has the potential to surpass his name value but as it stands outside Britain who even knows AJ? how many fights has he had beyond Britain? How many top fighters in the division has he fought? how many events has headlined globally ?

    This is where you give off the ... vibe. I agree AJ needs more fights before he's recognised as an accomplished boxer but he's in a division with a growing number of quality boxers now, Parker, Wilder and even Fury will put him to the test but AK a bigger name than AJ? Lol, AJ just participated in the one of the most-watched boxing fights ever. AK's net worth might be more, but that's probably about to change over the course of this year and the next. AJ is making money whilst AK is losing it.

    Read this about who knows AJ outside of the UK:
    http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/lett...shua-is-a-hit/


    And "breaking box office records for the right reasons" which ones do those include?

    Kltichsko fight

    the ones where he beat bum after bum like PRINCE Charles Martin as the narrow minded gullible casual fan base ate up the gimmick which was being fed to them. AJ has been the star pupil of the matchroom model, hold world title belts hostage at home and feed them as many bums possible to cultivate their aura and with AJ being a HW it was only easier to sway the casual observers based on superficial marketing. And finally when AJ fought an opponent which would present a challenge he had life and death with a past his prime grandpa in his 40's who was unable to land a single punch on Tyson Fury 2 years earlier; and that was Wladmir who was actually active, AJ fought a guy who was inactive for 2 years and was lucky to survive thanks to awful corner advice from the Wladmir camp. AJ is definetly a draw and may well go on to do amazing numbers but at this point Amir is the bigger name and has accomplished 10x more then him, this is based on his resume and global success in addition to all the events he has headlined as the main-event. Amir was the headline act from day one, AJ was on the undercard of events headlined by Lee Selby to begin with ! so it's incredibly ignorant to even remotely suggest AJ is the bigger name, now that is fan boying to its core.

    I normally respect your opinion but this is the ... rant I'm talking about, why even mention AJ in a thread about AK. Where have I mentioned AJ in my response to you? I've only stuck to Amir Khan as I've followed his career and not AJ's.

    And if there's a specific point in that post you'd like to refute feel free to do so I have no problem with that but lets address what you've said thus far. Firstly I've not said anywhere that Amir is not accountable on any level for his defeats, but the consensus in general suggests that he was entirely responsible; now that is plain stupid.

    I've never said otherwise. Your mentioning of the coaching staff is ridiculous.

    What is this rubbish about not the training staff or Roach's fault, can't you comprehend simple sstafftuff? this is like saying oh if Pakistan lose a cricket game Mickey Arther should not be held accountable what kind of baqwas is that? it's the job of his team to get him prepared at the required level and ensure an adequate camp at the very least, it was under that same team that he had the best run of his career and it is thick to assume that a bad training camp and in-fighting are not instrumental in those defeats because if you fail to prepare you are preparing to fail. I have also admitted that Khan's boxing IQ is not his forte and it would have been better if he enlisted the services of Emanuel Steward and Jimmy Tibbs when he turned pro.

    His Prescott defeat was stupid and you might have a case there but FR wasn't his coach then, it was Rubio. In the Lamont defeat, he was robbed, plain and simple.

    So that leaves the Garcia and Canelo defeats under FR. With Garcia, Khan had won the opening two rounds and looked good in the third round too. With 30 seconds to go, he should have picked Garcia off with counters, but noooo, he kept engaging in the pocket and Garcia had him dazed thereafter. Nothing here points to training issues or mismanagement. Khan was too stupid to realise the match situation.



    Off course he is past his peak now ! and I've admitted that it will be a challenge for him to turn things around and I also respect No he isn't entirely responsible and I never said that either.Barry Mcguigans opinion (also am unsure but Barry may have mentioned either Leonard or Robinson; he wrote the prologue to Amir's autobiography after he had won the Silver and pointed it out but can't remember which Sugar Ray it was) but it's not impossible if you've followed the career of Jorge Linares. Yes he has certainly under-performed but folk shouldn't let that distract them from what he has already accomplished and it's a great career regardless; he has made his money to although the finances could have been managed better.
    As a boxing fan I'd love for AK to make a return and prove me and others wrong. I don't see it happening especially now that he has these personal issues to contend with in public.

    Seriously, you need to tone down the antagonistic approach. Things like 'stupid', 'donner meat and chips' comments are unnecessary. If you want to discuss things, then fine. I don't come here for mudslinging.
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    His haters are the most vile skum out there, instead of coming up with adequate retorts with regards to his career or personal life will indulge in low grade garbage due to their own insecurities and agendas.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    My issue with him is his lack of activity in the ring, if you watch his fight against Canelo that was the best he had fought in like years he paced himself beautifully, held the centre of the ring and Canelo was in serious trouble am pretty sure after 5 rounds a lot of us were thinking, man could it happen?; there was big defensive lapse but he was going to get KO'd eventually given the huge difference in weight but performance wise he did not look out of his depth and it was Canelo who was made to look like a rank amateur. Khan has his vulnerabilities but he's one of the toughest fighters out there to win rounds against which is why so many fighters tend to duck him even those with pop in their hands, I think Khan should look to fight the mentally weak Kell Brook ASAP; Kell is a decent name on the british domestic circuit and casual fantards worship him like a god, I think it will be a great warm up for Amir before he moves on to Lamont Peterson
    On boxing ability alone Canelo had no chance. But his weight was apparently 20lb heavier. That's quite a bit over. Agree about Brook too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    As a boxing fan I'd love for AK to make a return and prove me and others wrong. I don't see it happening especially now that he has these personal issues to contend with in public.

    Seriously, you need to tone down the antagonistic approach. Things like 'stupid', 'donner meat and chips' comments are unnecessary. If you want to discuss things, then fine. I don't come here for mudslinging.
    You didn't quote me properly will try my address to respond to all you've said. Firstly, don't complain about antagonistic etc when you were the one who made accusations of me lacking objectivity whilst not refuting any of my points in that post which you had an issue with but anyway leave that aside and lets discuss what you've said.

    I have pointed out my reasons with regards to him being a role model, if you disagree then each to their own. And yeah donner meat is hit or miss generally I usually stick to one place as well where I buy it from,the kebab shops are not that consistent.

    Look I've not ruled out he is definetly accountable for his defeats and is a flawed fighter, but to play down his poor trainining camps is incredibly naive; you did point out how Roach and his team are not to blame, they are being paid to help him win championship fights and in defeat why are they immune from criticism? when Pakistan lose games do Mickey Arther or a Waqar Younis from the past during his stint as coach get a pass ? I have already explained the nature of those awful camps in the lead up to his defeats if you think they are not significant in their contribution to his loss then that's your opinion but I am of the view that his camp and Amir are equally at fault in that regard.

    We are discussing AJ specifically since you disagreed with the fact that Amir is a bigger name, I have provided reasons which point out that he's not as big as you are making out plus you have said that you've not followed his career as well so am not sure why based on one fight he's a bigger name then Amir Khan despite his lack of achievements. No denying that his fight against Wlad would have elevated his profile but Amir has had a stellar career and more people in the US the world's boxing capital known who he is then AJ who has not even fought there, when AJ headlines a number of events in the US and does amazing numbers then you can say he's a bigger draw. And am not denying his potential as a HW either and the division is no doubt on fire.

    And how many fights was Rubio with Khan ? how much time did they spend training prior to his debut on sky ppv ? I have already pointed out how awful that training camp was, it seems to me you're of the view that trainers and a camp before a high profile bout is completely insignificant, heck why do fighters even hire trainers, physio, personal nutritionists and fitness coach ?

    Marcos Maidana is a bigger puncher then both Garcia and Prescott, explain to me why was Khan able to win ? do you not recall that he had the best training camp of his career, Alex Ariza was incredibly influential in his victory as much as Roach their game plan from a tactical stand point was spot on and they were on point with regards to his strategy from a physical stand point, they increased the muscle mass especially on his legs and made them very strong and gave great focus to his conditioning as well it proved to be pivotal because he somehow managed to survive that savage beating in round 10. So it is incredibly naive to play down the fact that during the garcia fight the lack of support from FR and in-fighting between Alex Ariza and the Khan family was not influential in defeat because the training camp was extremely poor but at the same time Khan is at fault as well for letting his emotions get to him and as you say over confidence but please don't play down the role of trainers. Wladmir was getting KO'd left, right and centre before he completely changed his style under Emanuel Steward and Tyson was a beast under the guidance of Cus,D amato and Kevin Rooney.


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    @ShadabFakhar AJ is definitely the bigger draw in the UK now but also don't forget Amir during his peak on the domestic scene and the buzz he was generating, Hearn can sell AJ fights on PPV even when he is fighting taxi drivers. Khan I say is the bigger name globally due to his superior resume and record away from home and the number of events he has headlined overall. Sure AJ will most likely surpass him but he's got a lot to do at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You didn't quote me properly will try my address to respond to all you've said. Firstly, don't complain about antagonistic etc when you were the one who made accusations of me lacking objectivity whilst not refuting any of my points in that post which you had an issue with but anyway leave that aside and lets discuss what you've said.

    What causes me to believe in your lack of objection is in mentioning training camps and coaching staff where AK's defeats are concerned. Rubio is to blame for Prescott, but how can you blame Roach when Amir was caught chasing Garcia in the last 30 seconds of a fight? That's the exact period that caused his knockout from which he never recovered.

    Canelo was a stupid judgement call by all concerned. Should never have been in the Middleweight division in the first and to add insult to injury his fighter was heavier than expected. Hunter should have warned him against it. Still he came out of the fight with more respect. That still damaged his career, because people rightly asked him to take a break after that. Whether he did it for money or for Mayweather, we'll probably never know.


    I have pointed out my reasons with regards to him being a role model, if you disagree then each to their own. And yeah donner meat is hit or miss generally I usually stick to one place as well where I buy it from,the kebab shops are not that consistent.

    Look I've not ruled out he is definetly accountable for his defeats and is a flawed fighter, but to play down his poor trainining camps is incredibly naive; you did point out how Roach and his team are not to blame, they are being paid to help him win championship fights and in defeat why are they immune from criticism? when Pakistan lose games do Mickey Arther or a Waqar Younis from the past during his stint as coach get a pass ? I have already explained the nature of those awful camps in the lead up to his defeats if you think they are not significant in their contribution to his loss then that's your opinion but I am of the view that his camp and Amir are equally at fault in that regard.

    Yes, I stand by opinion. AK has to take a big share of the blame. He did exactly what FR has warned him about and that is unnecessary brawling. FR has said so publicly many times that Khan should do what he's best at, box. That Garcia loss was the most damaging one yet His Prescott fight was an aberration but significant in that it exposed his glass chin. Lamont, he was robbed. Canelo, plain stupid.

    We are discussing AJ specifically since you disagreed with the fact that Amir is a bigger name, I have provided reasons which point out that he's not as big as you are making out plus you have said that you've not followed his career as well so am not sure why based on one fight he's a bigger name then Amir Khan despite his lack of achievements. No denying that his fight against Wlad would have elevated his profile but Amir has had a stellar career and more people in the US the world's boxing capital known who he is then AJ who has not even fought there, when AJ headlines a number of events in the US and does amazing numbers then you can say he's a bigger draw. And am not denying his potential as a HW either and the division is no doubt on fire.

    For boxing enthusiasts you might be right, however, these same hardcore boxing fans make up an insignificant proportion of viewership, from which we measure popularity. AJ vs Klitschko really put AJ on the pedestal. It was no mean achievement, nor was VK a washed up grandad, in fact many pundits argued it was his best fight ever. He really wanted it too, so AJ was up against it. I gave you a link of how AJ is making noise in the US. He's only gaining popularity as a boxers whereas AK on the contrary is
    losing his because of his personal life.



    And how many fights was Rubio with Khan ? how much time did they spend training prior to his debut on sky ppv ? I have already pointed out how awful that training camp was, it seems to me you're of the view that trainers and a camp before a high profile bout is completely insignificant, heck why do fighters even hire trainers, physio, personal nutritionists and fitness coach ?

    Yeah, that was early days. Prescott loss was an aberration which is why I believe he should make it his return fight so he can warm up for Brook, Broner or the new Garcia

    Marcos Maidana is a bigger puncher then both Garcia and Prescott, explain to me why was Khan able to win ? do you not recall that he had the best training camp of his career, Alex Ariza was incredibly influential in his victory as much as Roach their game plan from a tactical stand point was spot on and they were on point with regards to his strategy from a physical stand point, they increased the muscle mass especially on his legs and made them very strong and gave great focus to his conditioning as well it proved to be pivotal because he somehow managed to survive that savage beating in round 10.

    Those Judah, Maidana, Malignaggi moments were during his purple patch. He was quick and disciplined too. As I've mentioned before AK requires more planning than most fighters because he's not able to think on his feet. So when it comes off it looks beautiful. He's a bit...slow like that


    So it is incredibly naive to play down the fact that during the garcia fight the lack of support from FR and in-fighting between Alex Ariza and the Khan family was not influential in defeat because the training camp was extremely poor but at the same time Khan is at fault as well for letting his emotions get to him and as you say over confidence but please don't play down the role of trainers. Wladmir was getting KO'd left, right and centre before he completely changed his style under Emanuel Steward and Tyson was a beast under the guidance of Cus,D amato and Kevin Rooney.
    I broke down the fight to you. If his planning and training was so poor, he would not be winning all his rounds until that lapse in concentration. He got cocky because Garcia was cut and missing, Khan switched off. He should have won that fight, two or three more rounds and he would have been home and dry because Garcia was all over the place and would have gassed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    I broke down the fight to you. If his planning and training was so poor, he would not be winning all his rounds until that lapse in concentration. He got cocky because Garcia was cut and missing, Khan switched off. He should have won that fight, two or three more rounds and he would have been home and dry because Garcia was all over the place and would have gassed out.
    You have been unable to refute my post am not sure if you read them properly with regards to the importance of a training camp and his team in the lead up to a high profile bout, let me get this straight; they are completely insignificant and win or lose it's entirely up to Amir Khan? ; yes he is the one doing the fighting and not them but to play down the significance of his team or the importance of a training camp is shocking! and that's not something I would call objective, yes he made mistakes but the times when he has had good training camps during his purple patch he did not make the mistakes you saw in defeat and was prepared better; Khan is accountable for his losses but a poor camp was also influential beyond me why you are so slow in accepting this because it is common sense.

    FR didn't even spend as much time with Khan during his camp for the Garcia fight, he was in the philiphines somewhere while Khan indulged in god awful sparring sessions which were supervised by cab drivers. So FR can play to the gallery as much as he wants, fact is the camp for the Garcia fight was poor.

    Sure that one fight did amazing numbers and elevated AJ's profile but to suggest that his profile is higher then a peak Amir or is a bigger name globally is insane I have already pointed out why Khan's profile is bigger due to his superior resume and away record in addition to the number of events he has headlined sure he's on the decline now but we can't belittle his peak's either and he is still a big name. Yes WK was indeed a washed up grandad, he was inactive for 1.5 years and in his 40s when he fought AJ; the fact that Joshua had life and death with an old faded fighter says a lot about AJ's lack of skill then Wladmi's brilliant performance when he wasn't even at his peak or at his best, Wladmir exploited AJ's low IQ; AJ's punching power, youth and superior endurance won him the fight and he was meant to blast Wladmir within 6 rounds.

    Every fighter needs to prepare exceptionally for a championship bout, it's not like they are going to take a walk in the park or something; Khan was disciplined during that purple patch not only due to his individual ability but also due to his incredible support staff at that time and excellent preparation during his training camp. Sure he was careless in the fight against Garcia who was an opponent made for him but when you have an awful training camp you also are more likely to make stupid mistakes
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You have been unable to refute my post am not sure if you read them properly with regards to the importance of a training camp and his team in the lead up to a high profile bout, let me get this straight; they are completely insignificant and win or lose it's entirely up to Amir Khan? ; yes he is the one doing the fighting and not them but to play down the significance of his team or the importance of a training camp is shocking! and that's not something I would call objective, yes he made mistakes but the times when he has had good training camps during his purple patch he did not make the mistakes you saw in defeat and was prepared better; Khan is accountable for his losses but a poor camp was also influential beyond me why you are so slow in accepting this because it is common sense.


    It plays a part obviously. I'm not sure what sort of refutation you're looking for because most things in boxing are opinionated. There's no fact one way or the other here. The only fact here is that his coaching staff were as significant in his wins as they were in his losses. It cancels itself out. There may have been fights where FR travelled around during training that we don't know about because AK won. We've only noticed this fact about FR because Khan lost, obviously no one asks these questions after a win. Making a specific mention about his coaching staff seems like sour grapes, especially since he's been knocked out the same way with three different coaches

    FR didn't even spend as much time with Khan during his camp for the Garcia fight, he was in the philiphines somewhere while Khan indulged in god awful sparring sessions which were supervised by cab drivers. So FR can play to the gallery as much as he wants, fact is the camp for the Garcia fight was poor.

    Sure that one fight did amazing numbers and elevated AJ's profile but to suggest that his profile is higher then a peak Amir or is a bigger name globally is insane I have already pointed out why Khan's profile is bigger due to his superior resume and away record in addition to the number of events he has headlined sure he's on the decline now but we can't belittle his peak's either and he is still a big name.

    All that's relevant now is that AJ is at his peak and AK is far from it. Of course there'll be people who know AK in the US and beyond, however, right now his career is stagnant. How do you measure a person's profile, Twitter? If so, then AK it is and we all know what other factors have contributed to that following.

    From a boxing perspective, at present, AJ is a bigger name. He's being mentioned because there's a lot of fighters around the world who want to fight him, Wilder(USA), Parker(NZ), Fury(UK). Amir is not being called out by anyone other than Brook AFAIK.


    Yes WK was indeed a washed up grandad, he was inactive for 1.5 years and in his 40s when he fought AJ; the fact that Joshua had life and death with an old faded fighter says a lot about AJ's lack of skill then Wladmi's brilliant performance when he wasn't even at his peak or at his best, Wladmir exploited AJ's low IQ; AJ's punching power, youth and superior endurance won him the fight and he was meant to blast Wladmir within 6 rounds.

    I don't see the comparison with AK, who's had his fair share of embarrassing knockdowns and defeats via knockouts. We've ascertained that AJ's ability(or lack thereof) and skills have little to do with his popularity and profile. I still completely disagree with you on WK btw. He was more energised and engaged in this fight than in any previous fight I've seen of his. It really was a top fight and AJ is the future whereas talking of AK is pretty much living in the past.



    Every fighter needs to prepare exceptionally for a championship bout, it's not like they are going to take a walk in the park or something; Khan was disciplined during that purple patch not only due to his individual ability but also due to his incredible support staff at that time and excellent preparation during his training camp. Sure he was careless in the fight against Garcia who was an opponent made for him but when you have an awful training camp you also are more likely to make stupid mistakes
    In bold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    In bold.
    I have pointed out all the reasons which contributed to Amir's most impressive win over Maidana as an example but you tend to conveniently ignore, I highlighted the positives of his excellent training camp and the game plan / tactics which lead to his victory. Now when there is defeat sure the fighter gets all the blame in the end but it's a lot more complicated then that isn't it, now a casual observers is just limited to looking at things which the eyes see but if you a bit more digging then you'd see the external factors which contributed to defeat and I have specifically highlighted the constituents of those awful training camps; obviously I can't really argue against those who want to remain ignorant and it's pretty ridiculous to suggest sour etc when I have highlighted that Amir is at fault but I think there's a big lack of knowledge and intelligence when we're limited to just looking at a defeat from one angle because whether you accept this or not poor preparation leads to failure.

    Sure as it stands AJ's profile is higher then Khan's for various reasons the metric I pointed out with regards to his global appeal were his overall career accomplishments you don't just win fans by default because you need to fight the best fighters all around the world and not just hide at home and live off eating bums for breakfast because that does little for your legacy, however Joshua is still an unknown in the US and his promoter is looking to expose him in that market so it was premature on your part to point out how he's this big draw and global power house as if on a Floyd Mayweather level. Right now there is potential and he's in a strong position to elevate himself and while there are a number of fighters calling out he will need to make sure he beats the best and keeps winning, right now he has one good name on his resume which is Wladmir and he wasn't even at his peak; I definitely commend Wlad's incredible performance but AJ did not impress me as much as Tyson Fury did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I have pointed out all the reasons which contributed to Amir's most impressive win over Maidana as an example but you tend to conveniently ignore, I highlighted the positives of his excellent training camp and the game plan / tactics which lead to his victory. Now when there is defeat sure the fighter gets all the blame in the end but it's a lot more complicated then that isn't it, now a casual observers is just limited to looking at things which the eyes see but if you a bit more digging then you'd see the external factors which contributed to defeat and I have specifically highlighted the constituents of those awful training camps; obviously I can't really argue against those who want to remain ignorant and it's pretty ridiculous to suggest sour etc when I have highlighted that Amir is at fault but I think there's a big lack of knowledge and intelligence when we're limited to just looking at a defeat from one angle because whether you accept this or not poor preparation leads to failure.

    I've not ignored Maidana or any other point. The principle is the same, that he had the same coach in the Maidana fight as the Garcia one. Same coaching staff. You mentioned something about FR being in the Philippines and in-fighting. We just cannot know if that has happened before or not, because as I have said time and again, we don't analyse wins the same way we do losses. You've gone through great lengths in discussing the same point in different ways. So if you want to believe that, fine. All I know is Khan is pretty empty between the ears and with his cockiness it's caused him to do silly things that other fighters would not have. Look at how well Pacquiao has worked with FR. Khan has had three different coaches and made the same mistakes three times.

    I've been taking your word for all this and judging by your partisan stance on AK I should be asking for sources on FR's training during wins and losses. Truth is, we don't know and we're rambling on the basis of what we may or may not know. We do know AK has a low IQ and he's cocky. Based on these facts, coaching staff becomes irrelevant in a fight.


    Sure as it stands AJ's profile is higher then Khan's for various reasons the metric I pointed out with regards to his global appeal were his overall career accomplishments you don't just win fans by default because you need to fight the best fighters all around the world and not just hide at home and live off eating bums for breakfast because that does little for your legacy, however Joshua is still an unknown in the US and his promoter is looking to expose him in that market so it was premature on your part to point out how he's this big draw and global power house as if on a Floyd Mayweather level. Right now there is potential and he's in a strong position to elevate himself and while there are a number of fighters calling out he will need to make sure he beats the best and keeps winning, right now he has one good name on his resume which is Wladmir and he wasn't even at his peak; I definitely commend Wlad's incredible performance but AJ did not impress me as much as Tyson Fury did.
    I was an AK fan, followed his fights and cheered him on. I came to learn about his personal life, didn't bother about it because I enjoyed watching him box. One thing I noted in almost all his fights, he'd always get a bollocking from his corner for not sticking to the plan, even during the wins. It's his nature, he couldn't help it. Can't blame the corner if he doesn't listen to them.

    I mention this because as a previous fan I don't even mention his name being here in the UK but I hear and talk about AJ most of the time since the WK fight. Most of my mates and relatives are the same. AK is nothing these days except for his antics on social media. It's the only reason we're talking about him now. If that doesn't tell you about his profile, I don't know what else will

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    It’s now been claimed Makhdoom contacted Khan in Dubai ahead of the video upload, with her parents also contacting his family, saying it was in their best interests to stay together for the sake of their two-year-old daughter, Lamaisah.

    The source said: ‘Amid stood his ground and told her that it was over and that he had mentally decided to move on from her and that he was unable to take it anymore.

    ‘He hung up on her and when she texted again with threatening messages, he released video message to put an end to it all.’
    Makhdoom apparently said to Khan they weren’t officially divorced because he had not said the Arabic word for divorce, Talaak, three times as tradition dictates.
    The source claims Khan then texted her back, writing: ‘talaak, talaak, talaak.’


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/05/farayl...#ixzz4otKrbd7M

    Very immature from Amir. She is right. A 30yr old baby.

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    We don't know what he's been through. She seems like a shallow person too. As many have said they're both just as bad as each other. Khan would do well to concentrate on what's left of his boxing career. I want to see if Brook can back up his talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadabFakhar View Post
    I was an AK fan, followed his fights and cheered him on. I came to learn about his personal life, didn't bother about it because I enjoyed watching him box. One thing I noted in almost all his fights, he'd always get a bollocking from his corner for not sticking to the plan, even during the wins. It's his nature, he couldn't help it. Can't blame the corner if he doesn't listen to them.

    I mention this because as a previous fan I don't even mention his name being here in the UK but I hear and talk about AJ most of the time since the WK fight. Most of my mates and relatives are the same. AK is nothing these days except for his antics on social media. It's the only reason we're talking about him now. If that doesn't tell you about his profile, I don't know what else will
    Yes he had the same coach for the Garcia and Maidana fights but does that mean the preparation was the same or that his entire team was present?

    This article here states that Alex Ariza left Khan before the Garcia fight:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...cia-fight.html

    Now you may see that as no big deal, but read this article to understand the importance of Alex Ariza during Amir Khan's purple patch:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...ng-regime.html

    Furthermore this is a video of Amir sparring before the Garcia fight:



    Now you tell me, which trainer would allow his charge to indulge in such brainless sparring? where was Freddie? what was Khan paying for exactly? aggression is FR's forte when it comes to style and he encourages it but no emphasis on defence at all? Khan has made small tweaks under Virgil Hunter and he's no where near as reckless when he's training. That video is your proof with regards to FR not being there enough or supervising that session because if he were there no way he would allow it to go ahead.

    Further read this article which highlights the turmoil and shenanigans in the Khan camp prior to the Garcia fight:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...lex-Ariza.html

    There's enough evidence here which proves that the camp for Garcia fight was anything but perfect and the instrumental influence of Alex Ariza as well can't be belittled because he helped Amir overcome Marcos Maidana. I followed the fight very closely and recall the build so I remember all of this and have no issue pointing it out and have provided sources now as well, am not making this up; Khan has his flaws but what also contributed to his defeats were poor training camp. Rubio was with Khan for an extremely short while and made zero impact, he was fired for recommending Prescott as a potential opponent; the move to leave Oliver Harrison was fine because he needed a better training to take him to the world class level but appointing Rubio was a mistake, I also have mixed feelings about him under Roach because he had the best period under him and I don't define FR or Amir's training camp by that one defeat because by 2011 Khan was ranked in the top 10 P4P rankings of the prestigious ring magazine which was a monumental feat ; however the relationship became toxic and both parties had to part ways, when his team is not 100% behind he's not going to prepare as well as he can for his fights now is he.

    Under Virgil he has made some noticeable improvements, no longer fights on courage/heart; when in trouble doesn't trade and goes for the clinch, doesn't stay in the pocket for too long and maintains his range; yes there was a defensive lapse vs Canelo but look at his previous fights under Virgil to and as we said before being handicapped by the 20-30lb advantage for Alvarez didn't help Amir.

    I wouldn't call Khan cocky, he's supremely confident; it rubs people the wrong way when he calls out big names etc but he's an Olympian who is relentlessly competitive by nature and that same spirit in addition to the never say die attitude has let to a Olympic Silver Medal and a unified world championship whilst making loads of money in the process as well. His Boxing IQ is not the best though yeah, he should have enlisted Steward and Tibs at the start of his career but it's not something he has given a lot of focus; you know a fighter doesn't just get to a certain position based on raw talent or ability, they need a strong team behind them and prepare exceptionally well; they also need to make smart moves when their career is being managed in order to ensure their overall development.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    She's not just a joke but a fake plastic celebrity wanabe.

    She too had a big hand in humiliating Amirs family so don't just point the blame one way.

    He obviously made a mistake marrying that joke who has been nothing but trouble for him inside and outside the ring.
    Kardashian wannabe who drove a wedge between Amir and his class associates and friends. Amir was known to be a player type guy, she knew. And admittedly used his money to mannequin herself.

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