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    "PCB’s case is weak against BCCI" : Ehsan Mani

    KARACHI: Former International Cricket Council (ICC) President Ehsan Mani has said that Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) case where they have demanded compensation from the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for not honouring the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) is weak.

    The 72-year-old has claimed that his sources in the ICC have told him that the chances of India paying any compensation to Pakistan are meek.

    “[Najam] Sethi made a big mistake by signing the agreement with the Indian board,” said Mani. “He should show the agreement to everyone. Let’s see if it contains the clause of compensation. All I can say is, as told by my sources in the ICC, PCB’s case is weak against BCCI. The chances of BCCI paying compensation to the PCB are meek.”

    In the recently held PCB’s Board of Governors (BoG) meeting, the last under Chairman Shaharyar Khan, it was decided that the Pakistan board will pursue a legal case against BCCI for not playing the agreed bilateral series. For this purpose, Rs1.5 billion were also approved by the BoG.

    “It will be a waste of money,” commented Mani on PCB’s move. “Also, fighting doesn’t resolve any issue. PCB should find a middle way. BCC enjoys a lot of control in international cricket, they will eventually bring every country on their side and Pakistan will be left alone.”

    He added that Pakistan need to come up with an effective strategy. “India have always rued government’s disapproval of a series, but cricket never stopped between the two countries. So if they come up with the right strategy, the problem can be solved.”

    Pakistan’s diminishing stature in ICC

    Mani believes Pakistan historically enjoyed respectable stature in the ICC but now they have lost their voice in the world body.

    “Pakistan cricket is facing international isolation,” said Mani. “Things were different in the past; we used to have our say in the ICC. Pakistan had representation in the all ICC committees, but now we have lost our voice in the council. We don’t have any referee in the ICC panel; meanwhile, Aleem Dar is the only umpire in the ICC elite umpire’s list. No one is there to help our umpires and referees get enlisted in the ICC panels because the higher officials don’t understand the system.”

    Staggeringly big workforce

    Mani also seemed flabbergasted by the PCB workforce which he deems is unnecessary.

    “Nearly 20-25 people managed the PCB in the past but now they have a workforce of several hundred,” he said. “The officials spend a lot of money; PCB should publish their account details on the website. They should tell the people how much money the officials have spent.”

    Mani, who was also Pakistan’s representative in the ICC from 1989 till 1996, said that he was offered to become a part of the PCB by Shahayar and Sethi but he refused on the grounds that he can’t work until and unless he can enjoy full authority in his position.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1474618...cci-says-mani/


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    heres your 15 minutes of fame Mani, yeh come back next year for an interview.

    Hate it when someone from the past only comes to say that his time things were good now they have deteriorated.

    If you care, come and do the job while getting a good pay, and you yourself are saying that you were offered.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    heres your 15 minutes of fame Mani, yeh come back next year for an interview.

    Hate it when someone from the past only comes to say that his time things were good now they have deteriorated.

    If you care, come and do the job while getting a good pay, and you yourself are saying that you were offered.
    Agreed. Whoever wants to lecture only without contributing (like imran,wasim) should be ignored.


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    Good to see that at least one guy from Pakistani cricket establishment has some brains. He's right when he says PCB will get nothing.

    But even he's making stuff up when he says PCB had clout at ICC in the past. Whatever little clout they had was when they'd fire from the BCCI's shoulders. Basically cricket administration was fully dominated by England and Aus till early 80s (they even had veto rights). India winning 1983 WC was the biggest turning point in international cricket order -- that's when England and Aus started losing control to India. Not only the team benefited from it (and went on to become a cricketing powerhouse), even on administrative side India started getting their voice heard. First win was hosting the 1987 WC. The coup was 100% engineered by the BCCI (guys like Sathe, Salve, Scindia made it happen), but PCB (then called BCCP) also benefited by co-hosting. BCCP basically used to blindly support BCCI on everything.

    By the time 1996 WC came around, SLC had also come in the picture and were co-hosts along with India and Pak. And BCCI had become even more powerful thanks to guys like Dalmiya. By the time Indian sub-continent got its next chance to host the WC in 2011, BCCI had become so powerful that it could completely exclude PCB even from co-hosting.

    So I don't know what Mani is trying to say when he says PCB had clout in the past. When exactly was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    By the time 1996 WC came around, SLC had also come in the picture and were co-hosts along with India and Pak. And BCCI had become even more powerful thanks to guys like Dalmiya. By the time Indian sub-continent got its next chance to host the WC in 2011, BCCI had become so powerful that it could completely exclude PCB even from co-hosting.

    So I don't know what Mani is trying to say when he says PCB had clout in the past. When exactly was that?
    So BCCI on their own 'completely excluded PCB from co-hosting the 2011 World Cup' and it had nothing to do with the fact that no teams were touring Pakistan due to security concerns since 2009?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    So BCCI on their own 'completely excluded PCB from co-hosting the 2011 World Cup' and it had nothing to do with the fact that no teams were touring Pakistan due to security concerns since 2009?
    All I'm saying is India has all along (1987, 1996, 2011) been the only host that mattered, the other so-called "co-hosts" (Pak, SL, BD) were there just to make up numbers. They didn't matter.

    In 2011, had the situation been reversed (India had major security issues, Pak / SL / BD were safe to play), the ICC would have moved the WC somewhere else and not allowed Pak / SL / BD to host it on their own.

    In other words, Pak, BD, SL claiming that they had "major clout" just because they ended-up co-hosting ICC events doesn't mean squat if the BCCI is not with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    So BCCI on their own 'completely excluded PCB from co-hosting the 2011 World Cup' and it had nothing to do with the fact that no teams were touring Pakistan due to security concerns since 2009?
    The same question came to my mind when I read his post ��


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    He's bang on and I said the same before.

    “It will be a waste of money,” commented Mani on PCB’s move. “Also, fighting doesn’t resolve any issue. PCB should find a middle way. BCCI enjoys a lot of control in international cricket, they will eventually bring every country on their side and Pakistan will be left alone.”
    You have to be smarter and realize who has leverage in such a case.


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    Unless the PCB has written proof they won't get a sniff.

    Otherwise this just shows the sheer incompetency and naivety of Sethi/Shahryar that took the BCCI at their word, AGAIN.

    Say what you want about Mani, but at least he knows the basics of what foot to put forward first. The other 2 clowns often put the said foot in that large hole below the nose & above the chin.


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    They won't get a penny.

    BCCI is too smart for the PCB. They will make some random promises to Sethi and co and appease the PCB. Promises they will never stick to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    They won't get a penny.

    BCCI is too smart for the PCB. They will make some random promises to Sethi and co and appease the PCB. Promises they will never stick to.
    They even dont need to appease pcb in this case.


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    Mani is all talk and nothing else. Cannot offer any practical solution to the PCB only says stuff that any random person knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Mani is all talk and nothing else. Cannot offer any practical solution to the PCB only says stuff that any random person knows.
    I think Mani is correct in his assessment and I some what agree to this statement of his. Sethi took everyone for a ride with his policies and now we're basically facing the blunt of it 4 years down the road.

    If anybody who's the epitome of all talk and nothing else it's that buffoon Sethi who does not have an iota of sense on how international diplomacy is done and how diplomats actually lobby via agenda positioning

    Had Sethi shown some sense in his policy making during that Big 3 situation we wouldn't have had to deal with this crisis right now. Or if he was smart enough (Jeez what am I even saying !! ), he should've just bargained off something that could've been received with much less fuss.

    But come on !! who are we kidding here?? Sethi, similar to his master NS, was on the payroll of we all know who, so naturally he would do every Anti Pakistani thing possible would essentially make sure that we would suffer in the long run.

    Should be tried for treason and banished from Pakistan for Good !!

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    It is not the BCCI but PCB that is weak and unable to get anything done. Don't expect favours from others when we are a mess ourselves. What good have the PCB ever done?. They've not even been able to build an effective system based on merit never mind anything else. A truly inept, corrupt and third rate organisation where every employee should be sacked.


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    How much is 1.5 billion rs. In dollars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    How much is 1.5 billion rs. In dollars?
    I think close to 900 million (If I correctly calculated it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    I think close to 900 million (If I correctly calculated it)

    One USD = approx 66 INR..

    900 mill USD would be too much mate it would be around 60bill rupees I think..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    How much is 1.5 billion rs. In dollars?


    22-23 mill dollars assuming it's 1.5bill INR which you meant..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    How much is 1.5 billion rs. In dollars?
    1.5bn in our deshi style is 150 crore. The standard conversion is around
    $1 US =
    100 PKR
    66 INR
    80 BDT
    With, ~3% fluctuation time to time. Here 1.5bn obviously is in PKR, so converted to US $, it's around $15mn or $1.5 crore. In INR, it'll be around 100 crore or 1bn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    1.5bn in our deshi style is 150 crore. The standard conversion is around
    $1 US =
    100 PKR
    66 INR
    80 BDT
    With, ~3% fluctuation time to time. Here 1.5bn obviously is in PKR, so converted to US $, it's around $15mn or $1.5 crore. In INR, it'll be around 100 crore or 1bn.
    Bangladesh currency is more valuable than Pakistan Rupee? Wow. Thought pak rupee was more valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehub View Post
    Bangladesh currency is more valuable than Pakistan Rupee? Wow. Thought pak rupee was more valuable.
    It reaches up to 1: 1.15 with INR at around March/April after Indian budget (debt servicing & external patents are done) & our reserve usually at highest level. Economy is haviely dependent on RMG garments export & remittances- RMG is basically the value addition on imported fabrics (though domestic production is improving) - so, every year once the external import payments are made just before budget (June), and debt servicing is done, it drops at lowest in July/August. That conversion right now is 63, 80 & 105; but by next March/April it should come down to 77-78 level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It reaches up to 1: 1.15 with INR at around March/April after Indian budget (debt servicing & external patents are done) & our reserve usually at highest level. Economy is haviely dependent on RMG garments export & remittances- RMG is basically the value addition on imported fabrics (though domestic production is improving) - so, every year once the external import payments are made just before budget (June), and debt servicing is done, it drops at lowest in July/August. That conversion right now is 63, 80 & 105; but by next March/April it should come down to 77-78 level.
    shows Bangladesh is doing well economic wise. good to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    One USD = approx 66 INR..

    900 mill USD would be too much mate it would be around 60bill rupees I think..
    He is of course talking about Pakistani rupee, not Indian rupee.

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    PCB will not get any money from BCCI no matter how much money PCB spend (read pocket themselves) in legal expenditures seeking to fool their followers.

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    Meek? Does he mean bleak? Moot? Remote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud View Post
    Meek? Does he mean bleak? Moot? Remote?
    Glad you pointed it out, I looked up Merriam Webster online and this is what came up.

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    PCB are inept and ineffective. This is not because of the BCCI but their own inability to get anything right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    PCB are inept and ineffective. This is not because of the BCCI but their own inability to get anything right.
    Inept organizations do not successfully hold the PSL twice. Ehsan Mani is all talk and nothing else, a downer basically. Nothing has ever stopped him from coming to Pakistan and holding a position in the PCB, all he has done is to be in the ICC or on the outside but do nothing for Pakistan Cricket.

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    Save your money, don't waste it and instead spend it on junior, domestic and women's cricket.



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