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    The INVINCIBLE Undertaker - Undisputed Greatest of All Time?

    The Conscience of the WWE
    The Deadman
    The Demon of Death Valley
    The Last Outlaw
    The Lord/Prince of Darkness
    The Phenom
    The American Bad-***
    Big Evil

    "The Spirit of the Undertaker lives in the soul of all mankind, the eternal flame of life that can not be extinguished, the legend which can not be explained"

    "Accept the Lord of Darkness as your saviour,
    Bathnal Nathra, de era
    Allow the purity of evil to guide you,
    Anail Nathrak, Dorthnei Diednei,
    Anail Nathrak, de era umbrana"

    Undertaker made his WWE debut in 1990, ever since legends such as the likes of Hogan, HBK, Bret, Austin, Flair and The Rock have come and gone; but The Undertaker has outlasted them all and to this day his spirit lives on. In recent times his appearances have been limited to Wrestlemania and no one can doubt that he's a corner stone of the industry.

    The Undertakers contributions to wrestling are unprecedented in their own right, when the company was struggling the 90's he remained an instrumental figure in keeping the business going and adopted with the times consistently throughout the distinct era whilst retaining the mystique of the Undertaker character which incredibly remains popular to this day. For a figure his size he has been outstanding in the ring and put on arguably the greatest match of all time with HBK at WM25.

    The Wrestlemania PPV is the single greatest event in the industry and I doubt there will ever be another performer to match Undertakers streak, it is the greatest WWE accomplishment in itself for a performer and from an in-ring POV especially during the second half his matches have been excellent.

    Undertaker has also had the distinction of being a locker room leader throughout his career and remained a huge role model who has guided other talent and has often be the go to man to resolve disputed. He's also one of the most selfless wrestlers in history and has never shy'd from elevating those whom the company have required him to do so be it in victory or defeat, and no one has a bad word to say about the man even those whom have retired and often love to mud sling.

    Quiet frankly, Undertaker may well be the greatest of all time but he has often been taken for granted. It's safe to say that a big part of Pro-Wrestling dies with his retirement.


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    Possibly the most respected. In order to be the greatest, you have to be phenomenal in the ring. The Undertaker has always been good in the ring, but not the best either. Regardless, I'm a big fan and have a lot of respect for him.


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    Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels were far more entertaining then the Undertaker. The so called "dead man" was all to predictable and he did not have the sharp shooter finish either.


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    I remember him being the evil villain but he was great. He had a manager who looked just as scary as him. I dont watch WWE anymore ever since my fav The Ultimate Warrior went . : (

    Is The Undertaker a good guy now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I remember him being the evil villain but he was great. He had a manager who looked just as scary as him. I dont watch WWE anymore ever since my fav The Ultimate Warrior went . : (

    Is The Undertaker a good guy now?
    Paul Bearer (RIP).


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    However in terms of impact on the business, he ranks up with the best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I remember him being the evil villain but he was great. He had a manager who looked just as scary as him. I dont watch WWE anymore ever since my fav The Ultimate Warrior went . : (

    Is The Undertaker a good guy now?
    He has passed away sadly the manager, he was such a great character as well. WWE during the early 90's was goofy, Undertaker made his debut portraying a villain but the crowd began to cheer for him because they liked that he was dark and edgy. Then during the attitude era he'd portray a full blown bad guy leading a cult called the ministry of darkness before returning to his old roots as the phenom, despite the essences of his persona at times he has always remained incredibly popular and tends to blur the lines between evil and good; a lot of fans may not follow wrestling but know who the Undertaker is, his contributions to the industry have been incredible and he's a top guy beyond the ring to.

    A while back he met some spiritual folk on a plane and was humbled:



    When the image spread around the net some fans thought he had converted to Islam


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    Wow, never viewed that pic before. Look how respectful he appears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    He has passed away sadly the manager, he was such a great character as well. WWE during the early 90's was goofy, Undertaker made his debut portraying a villain but the crowd began to cheer for him because they liked that he was dark and edgy. Then during the attitude era he'd portray a full blown bad guy leading a cult called the ministry of darkness before returning to his old roots as the phenom, despite the essences of his persona at times he has always remained incredibly popular and tends to blur the lines between evil and good; a lot of fans may not follow wrestling but know who the Undertaker is, his contributions to the industry have been incredible and he's a top guy beyond the ring to.

    A while back he met some spiritual folk on a plane and was humbled:



    When the image spread around the net some fans thought he had converted to Islam
    our indian wrestler khali made a **** out of him when khali had debut match. Though khali nowdays wear pari dresses in wwe. ��

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    Not a patch on Big Daddy Shirley Crabtree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Possibly the most respected. In order to be the greatest, you have to be phenomenal in the ring. The Undertaker has always been good in the ring, but not the best either. Regardless, I'm a big fan and have a lot of respect for him.
    Thing is when he first burst on to the scene he was doing the Zombie shtick which didn't require him to sell and that impacted match quality and in the AE era there was a lack of emphasis on in-ring excellence and you had him work various matches involving many stipulations, e.g Inferno match etc can't really have a match of the year. Anyhow in Bret Hart's own words he loved working with Taker and felt he was incredibly underrated. Anyhow beyond the New Gen and AE era Taker really shined in the 2000's from an in-ring point of view as he wasn't as limited by the AE era style or Zombie gimmick, being more experienced also helped. Plus don't forget that he was a really big dude as well! True, you won't find a fan who has a bad thing to say; have immense respect for him, feel we don't praise him enough and have taken him for granted over the years


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Wow, never viewed that pic before. Look how respectful he appears.
    Very rare photo, I had not come across before myself until 5 years ago


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Thing is when he first burst on to the scene he was doing the Zombie shtick which didn't require him to sell and that impacted match quality and in the AE era there was a lack of emphasis on in-ring excellence and you had him work various matches involving many stipulations, e.g Inferno match etc can't really have a match of the year. Anyhow in Bret Hart's own words he loved working with Taker and felt he was incredibly underrated. Anyhow beyond the New Gen and AE era Taker really shined in the 2000's from an in-ring point of view as he wasn't as limited by the AE era style or Zombie gimmick, being more experienced also helped. Plus don't forget that he was a really big dude as well! True, you won't find a fan who has a bad thing to say; have immense respect for him, feel we don't praise him enough and have taken him for granted over the years
    Yea, that's true. His gimmick prevented him from displaying his true abilities in the ring. Plus for a man of his size he has always been very agile. You'd be hard pressed to find even a single person that has worked with him, either wrestler or anyone else, who'll speak even a single bad thing about him. Possibly the most professional wrestler there has ever been in the WWF. I strongly believe that he along with Hogan, Austin and the Rock are the best things that has ever happened to the WWF.


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    Personally, I believe the best ever performer is Shawn Michaels. Other than Ric Flair, nobody has been consistently as great as Michaels. While the Dynamite Kid, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit and Ricky Steamboat could match him in the ring (although not consistently), none of them could match him as a complete package and in terms of longevity.

    He has always been my personal favorite. The only thing that goes against him is his unprofessionalism during the first half of his career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Yea, that's true. His gimmick prevented him from displaying his true abilities in the ring. Plus for a man of his size he has always been very agile. You'd be hard pressed to find even a single person that has worked with him, either wrestler or anyone else, who'll speak even a single bad thing about him. Possibly the most professional wrestler there has ever been in the WWF. I strongly believe that he along with Hogan, Austin and the Rock are the best things that has ever happened to the WWF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Personally, I believe the best ever performer is Shawn Michaels. Other than Ric Flair, nobody has been consistently as great as Michaels. While the Dynamite Kid, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit and Ricky Steamboat could match him in the ring (although not consistently), none of them could match him as a complete package and in terms of longevity.

    He has always been my personal favorite. The only thing that goes against him is his unprofessionalism during the first half of his career.
    True, especially in this day and age if you ask an ancient fella who is your favourite wrestler he may say Hogan or Flair; and you ask a middle aged dude or someone in their 20's they will say Austin, Rock or The Undertaker (In Europe everyone will say Bret, he was so damn over here ) this is off course casual fans or those who vaguely follow the business. It just goes to show how influential they were, another underrated wrestler was Sting.

    For me it's out of HBK and Ric as well, but won't argue with anyone who has Taker as their no.1. What is your favourite Taker match?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    True, especially in this day and age if you ask an ancient fella who is your favourite wrestler he may say Hogan or Flair; and you ask a middle aged dude or someone in their 20's they will say Austin, Rock or The Undertaker (In Europe everyone will say Bret, he was so damn over here ) this is off course casual fans or those who vaguely follow the business. It just goes to show how influential they were, another underrated wrestler was Sting.

    For me it's out of HBK and Ric as well, but won't argue with anyone who has Taker as their no.1. What is your favourite Taker match?
    His match with Shawn at WM25. Taker once wanted a match with Angle at WM because he wanted a 5 star classic at WM since he never had one. He was even willing to do the job and break the streak. He chose Angle because he was on SmackDown. But then Angle left the company, and Taker got that 5 star classic from Shawn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    He has passed away sadly the manager, he was such a great character as well. WWE during the early 90's was goofy, Undertaker made his debut portraying a villain but the crowd began to cheer for him because they liked that he was dark and edgy. Then during the attitude era he'd portray a full blown bad guy leading a cult called the ministry of darkness before returning to his old roots as the phenom, despite the essences of his persona at times he has always remained incredibly popular and tends to blur the lines between evil and good; a lot of fans may not follow wrestling but know who the Undertaker is, his contributions to the industry have been incredible and he's a top guy beyond the ring to.

    A while back he met some spiritual folk on a plane and was humbled:



    When the image spread around the net some fans thought he had converted to Islam
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Wow, never viewed that pic before. Look how respectful he appears.
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    Very rare photo, I had not come across before myself until 5 years ago
    The holy man looks like the then head of the Bohra community.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Burhanuddin


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    No Idea - last I watched any wrestling in TV was probably in last millennium. I know few names of pro wrestlers, but not much further.

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    The Undertaker character is probably the greatest in the history of pro wrestling. Personal favourites aside, I think he has a serious case for being the GOAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No Idea - last I watched any wrestling in TV was probably in last millennium. I know few names of pro wrestlers, but not much further.
    What are those few names you know ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    The Undertaker character is probably the greatest in the history of pro wrestling. Personal favourites aside, I think he has a serious case for being the GOAT.
    When I look back on his career and how he over even in the current era presents a big case indeed, he transcended the industry and continues to take it to the mainstream, one of our last draws left whom we can call our own; Broid and Dwayne are big names who became bigger draws due to MMA and movies; Undertaker didn't need to switch platforms and can sell out mania stadiums every year all on his own


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    What are those few names you know ?
    Hulk Hogan, Rick Flayer, Great Kali, Trish Tratus, Undertaker, Kane, Batista ............ I have many kids in family, you know

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    As a character defn,esp in the 1990's don't think any character written in WWE had so many changes and aura as he did.
    Always enjoyed his sudden appearances,not sure if they happen anymore.

    In the ring I still don't think he is the best performer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    The Conscience of the WWE
    The Deadman
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    The Last Outlaw
    The Lord/Prince of Darkness
    The Phenom
    The American Bad-***
    Big Evil

    "The Spirit of the Undertaker lives in the soul of all mankind, the eternal flame of life that can not be extinguished, the legend which can not be explained"

    "Accept the Lord of Darkness as your saviour,
    Bathnal Nathra, de era
    Allow the purity of evil to guide you,
    Anail Nathrak, Dorthnei Diednei,
    Anail Nathrak, de era umbrana"

    Undertaker made his WWE debut in 1990, ever since legends such as the likes of Hogan, HBK, Bret, Austin, Flair and The Rock have come and gone; but The Undertaker has outlasted them all and to this day his spirit lives on. In recent times his appearances have been limited to Wrestlemania and no one can doubt that he's a corner stone of the industry.

    The Undertakers contributions to wrestling are unprecedented in their own right, when the company was struggling the 90's he remained an instrumental figure in keeping the business going and adopted with the times consistently throughout the distinct era whilst retaining the mystique of the Undertaker character which incredibly remains popular to this day. For a figure his size he has been outstanding in the ring and put on arguably the greatest match of all time with HBK at WM25.

    The Wrestlemania PPV is the single greatest event in the industry and I doubt there will ever be another performer to match Undertakers streak, it is the greatest WWE accomplishment in itself for a performer and from an in-ring POV especially during the second half his matches have been excellent.

    Undertaker has also had the distinction of being a locker room leader throughout his career and remained a huge role model who has guided other talent and has often be the go to man to resolve disputed. He's also one of the most selfless wrestlers in history and has never shy'd from elevating those whom the company have required him to do so be it in victory or defeat, and no one has a bad word to say about the man even those whom have retired and often love to mud sling.

    Quiet frankly, Undertaker may well be the greatest of all time but he has often been taken for granted. It's safe to say that a big part of Pro-Wrestling dies with his retirement.
    .....nah Romans better





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    In all seriousness Undertaker is by far the most respected wrestler in an out of the ring.

    He's the Don Bradman of the WWE IMO.

    In fact - I believe he should be called Don Taker

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    Nah, Jinder > Undertaker anyday..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalhaSyed View Post
    In all seriousness Undertaker is by far the most respected wrestler in an out of the ring.

    He's the Don Bradman of the WWE IMO.

    In fact - I believe he should be called Don Taker
    That has a ring to it maybe he will return under that persona, doubt it will be the deadman

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    My favorite. Part of me died when lesnar beat him in 2014 and then in 2015.

    He was my whole childhood and i have always supported him no matter how old he gets. To me he is the holy grail of the wwe. The greatest ever. There will never be another like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    My favorite. Part of me died when lesnar beat him in 2014 and then in 2015.

    He was my whole childhood and i have always supported him no matter how old he gets. To me he is the holy grail of the wwe. The greatest ever. There will never be another like him.
    Holy grail is the perfect word to describe him, he definitely has a case for greatest ever and there will never be another; it still amazes me how he has remained over with the same persona, credit to his adaptability irrespective of the era. He's a big fight fan as well, incorporates Triangle Chokes and gogaplota into his arsenal people don't know this but he has a black belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu ! under Rolles Gracie. Have seen him at a fair amount of times at UFC events, was also at Tyson v Lennox and was part of Manny's ring walk when he fought Velázquez , a number of these guys including Angle may have turned to combat sport if the money was right
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    Amazing wrestler.

    And had an evergreen aura to him which helped connect with all age groups.

    Plus, Mark William Calaway is a humble man outside the ring too.


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    Greatest asset WWE ever had and what a professional! And it's difficult for a guy who was 6'8" to put in the performances that 5'10" hbk produced. These comparisons are pointless. There will be several guys to replace the hbk's, rock, Austin,Hogan, etc. But you will rarely, if ever, see another guy like taker again.GOAT wrestler for me. Only a man like Mark could take that cartoonish character and make it a roaring success for 22 years. Respect!


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    @shaz619 Someone on this thread actually thinks jinder Mahal is better


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    Seems like someone in this thread has never heard of sarcasm in his life..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    @shaz619 Someone on this thread actually thinks jinder Mahal is better
    There are people like that who do exist, you should head to facebook mate


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Greatest asset WWE ever had and what a professional! And it's difficult for a guy who was 6'8" to put in the performances that 5'10" hbk produced. These comparisons are pointless. There will be several guys to replace the hbk's, rock, Austin,Hogan, etc. But you will rarely, if ever, see another guy like taker again.GOAT wrestler for me. Only a man like Mark could take that cartoonish character and make it a roaring success for 22 years. Respect!
    Great post and good point,, it was meant to be potentially another gimmicky sort of persona which was the norm e.g The Goon, Doink the Clown, Gobbledy Gooker, Honky Tonk Man and The Mountie; but the Undertaker was dark and edgy; the crowd feared him but cheered for him as well even though he was a heel because they became sick of all the goofy rubbish. 22 years of dominance and he's still over in this era! it's unreal and incredible! that's why I say he is probably the greatest ever, maybe after he's gone for good we will truly appreciate him. I am tempted to rank him ahead of HBK and Flair !


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    @shaz619 greatest gimmick bar none. Master of reinvention and there will never be another one like.

    No one could pull off the Taker gimmick like Mark Calaway and no one could give back to the business like he has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    @shaz619 greatest gimmick bar none. Master of reinvention and there will never be another one like.

    No one could pull off the Taker gimmick like Mark Calaway and no one could give back to the business like he has.
    Well said, fitting tribute for the great man.

    Check out this remix bro:


    @TalhaSyed @Red Devil What do our video production experts think I love the opening prologue and the thunder / rain in the background


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    @Red Devil @TalhaSyed @Adil_94 check this out, when you catch that ignorant hater:





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    @Rana


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Well said, fitting tribute for the great man.

    Check out this remix bro:


    @TalhaSyed @Red Devil What do our video production experts think I love the opening prologue and the thunder / rain in the background
    Man some of these remixes are so well done, incredible work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    @Red Devil @TalhaSyed @Adil_94 check this out, when you catch that ignorant hater:



    I remember watching this on TV, epic segment.

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    I so hope they continue his legacy somehow. They need to bring in a secret son segment in


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    Man I so miss his druid entrances.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Great post and good point,, it was meant to be potentially another gimmicky sort of persona which was the norm e.g The Goon, Doink the Clown, Gobbledy Gooker, Honky Tonk Man and The Mountie; but the Undertaker was dark and edgy; the crowd feared him but cheered for him as well even though he was a heel because they became sick of all the goofy rubbish. 22 years of dominance and he's still over in this era! it's unreal and incredible! that's why I say he is probably the greatest ever, maybe after he's gone for good we will truly appreciate him. I am tempted to rank him ahead of HBK and Flair !
    I put him ahead of them and most others to be frank. Mark Calaway is the greatest pro wrestler to have ever graced a ring in my opinion. And this is coming from someone who was a massive fan of Andre, The Rock, Bret etc.


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    The creation of his character is probably the greatest thing in wrestling ever.

    Him being the greatest ever is all personal opnion. For me he's definitely in the top 4/5 ever. Also he is well respected in the locker room, even greats like Shawn and Brett had issues in the locker room. With Undertaker you never hear about any issues .

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Holy grail is the perfect word to describe him, he definitely has a case for greatest ever and there will never be another; it still amazes me how he has remained over with the same persona, credit to his adaptability irrespective of the era. He's a big fight fan as well, incorporates Triangle Chokes and gogaplota into his arsenal people don't know this but he has a black belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu ! under Rolles Gracie. Have seen him at a fair amount of times at UFC events, was also at Tyson v Lennox and was part of Manny's ring walk when he fought Velázquez , a number of these guys including Angle may have turned to combat sport if the money was right
    Yeah it came to me as a shock too when he was revealed as boxing fan. That explained his uppercuts though, he always traded strikes like boxer in the ring. Also when I first started watching mma, anybody would try triangle choke I would immediately scream that is hell's gate. Even made an appearance when lesnar beat carwin and he had staredown with lesnar. Little did i know that the same lesnar would end the streak

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    Funny thing people for the last 15-16 years of his career (since he adopted American BadAss persona) kept speculating when he was gonna retire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    Yeah it came to me as a shock too when he was revealed as boxing fan. That explained his uppercuts though, he always traded strikes like boxer in the ring. Also when I first started watching mma, anybody would try triangle choke I would immediately scream that is hell's gate. Even made an appearance when lesnar beat carwin and he had staredown with lesnar. Little did i know that the same lesnar would end the streak
    Yeah and a lot of his ground work has been inspired by his black belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu; his striking in the second half of his career has been brilliant, defo as a result of doing a bit of boxing on the side as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    I put him ahead of them and most others to be frank. Mark Calaway is the greatest pro wrestler to have ever graced a ring in my opinion. And this is coming from someone who was a massive fan of Andre, The Rock, Bret etc.
    Mate I may never be able to attend a Wrestlemania in my life but I don't care, because I got to see the Undertaker in 2015!

    Here is an image I took:



    Undertaker was advertised for a 'dark' appearance on a Smackdown taping I attended, literally when it was announced I bought my tickets straight away and booked my train tickets even though they were a little expensive given my location. When the show was over around 10pm, for my return journey I waited until 1am so I could catch a coach (cheaper) to get back home and it was like a 4 hour journey but I didn't care, I got home around 4am because someone got ill along the way and they had to stop, then they dropped me off like a couple of miles from where I needed to be and I was running through the woods and stuff to get home it was so scary but the Phenom was watching over me The things crazy wrestling fans do the taping was in Manchester MEN arena where the recent attacks happened unfortunately, it could have been me that day :/ I also met wrestling fans who had travelled all the way from Scotland and Ireland to see Taker!

    In the end I did the right thing attending the event because I knew that it was a rare Taker appearance in the UK and probably his final one.

    And I agree with you mate, am going to rank him as the Ultimate GOAT; there will never be another like him.

    My top 3:

    1. Undertaker
    2. Flair
    3. HBK (Who is my all time favourite)


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    Was my favourite along with Shawn Michaels back when I used to watch wrestling


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    There should be a Sting thread too. Man how i miss these two guys

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    Top 5 of all time at least.

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    GOAT easily..

    Let me explain it to you why..


    He is not the most technically gifted wrestler ever like flair or Brett..
    He has never been the top face like hogan, Austin, Brett.
    He isn't the best ever at promos like rock, savage, flair..
    He is not the most charismatic like Shawn..

    Yet Undertaker is the GOAT of wrestling..

    He is one of the best wrestlers to have ever wrestled for a man of his size. Sure the fans who watch wrestling rigorously will rate people like hogan, Austin, Michaels, flair etc as the best wrestlers ever depending on the era they grew up in but Undertaker has outgrown them all.. He might not have sold enough PPV or merchandised like the face of the companies like the above mentioned names however he is easily the most recognisable name in wrestling history..

    Anyone who has watched wrestling would know of the name Undertaker however for someone who doesn't watch wrestling he would have never heard of people like Austin, Shawn Michaels, Brett Hart etc but there is a chance they would have heard of the name Undertaker.. The character itself is the best written thing ever in history of pro wrestling and the guy portraying it has taken it to the next level..


    If there was ever a survey done where the entire population of the world has to vote for wrestlers they have heard Undertaker will easily be #1. He is the true jack of all trades, he was not the best at all aspects of pro wrestling but he is certainly very good at all of them and has been so since 1990 Survivor series..

    Also not taking any credit away from Mark Callaway but Undertaker includes Mark Callaway, Vince McMahon and the writers who wrote this character..
    @shaz619 that's what I feel about The Undertaker and why he is true GOAT even though he is not my favourite wrestler ever not even in my top 5 favourite wrestlers of all time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    GOAT easily..

    Let me explain it to you why..


    He is not the most technically gifted wrestler ever like flair or Brett..
    He has never been the top face like hogan, Austin, Brett.
    He isn't the best ever at promos like rock, savage, flair..
    He is not the most charismatic like Shawn..

    Yet Undertaker is the GOAT of wrestling..

    He is one of the best wrestlers to have ever wrestled for a man of his size. Sure the fans who watch wrestling rigorously will rate people like hogan, Austin, Michaels, flair etc as the best wrestlers ever depending on the era they grew up in but Undertaker has outgrown them all.. He might not have sold enough PPV or merchandised like the face of the companies like the above mentioned names however he is easily the most recognisable name in wrestling history..

    Anyone who has watched wrestling would know of the name Undertaker however for someone who doesn't watch wrestling he would have never heard of people like Austin, Shawn Michaels, Brett Hart etc but there is a chance they would have heard of the name Undertaker.. The character itself is the best written thing ever in history of pro wrestling and the guy portraying it has taken it to the next level..


    If there was ever a survey done where the entire population of the world has to vote for wrestlers they have heard Undertaker will easily be #1. He is the true jack of all trades, he was not the best at all aspects of pro wrestling but he is certainly very good at all of them and has been so since 1990 Survivor series..

    Also not taking any credit away from Mark Callaway but Undertaker includes Mark Callaway, Vince McMahon and the writers who wrote this character..
    @shaz619 that's what I feel about The Undertaker and why he is true GOAT even though he is not my favourite wrestler ever not even in my top 5 favourite wrestlers of all time..
    I have a mate who doesn't watch wrestling but knows who Undertaker is; he could sell out huge stadiums all by himself, Wrestlemania won't be the same without him. He has transcended generations and he'll be remembered for a very long time. He also doesn't need to be around anymore but did the ultimate job by putting over a youngster in Reigns who is being positioned as the future, as @Adil_94 said no one could give back to the business like Mark Callaway and no one wants to give back more then Mark Callaway. Immense respect. #UndisputedGOAT


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I have a mate who doesn't watch wrestling but knows who Undertaker is; he could sell out huge stadiums all by himself, Wrestlemania won't be the same without him. He has transcended generations and he'll be remembered for a very long time. He also doesn't need to be around anymore but did the ultimate job by putting over a youngster in Reigns who is being positioned as the future, as @Adil_94 said no one could give back to the business like Mark Callaway and no one wants to give back more then Mark Callaway. Immense respect. #UndisputedGOAT
    mark calaway is nothing without his character (undertaker)

    so whatever he has achieved is because of the writers and the team behind him WHO CREATED the character undertaker

    literally anyone could have played this character provided that they had the height and physique and a lot of wrestlers have had that

    without the undertaker character mark calaway would have been an average wrestler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post
    mark calaway is nothing without his character (undertaker)

    so whatever he has achieved is because of the writers and the team behind him WHO CREATED the character undertaker

    literally anyone could have played this character provided that they had the height and physique and a lot of wrestlers have had that

    without the undertaker character mark calaway would have been an average wrestler
    You are both right and wrong about this, ofcourse the writers and vince also deserve a lot of credit for making Undertaker however you cannot take anything away from Mark Callaway.. During early 90's when Kayfabe was not broken out to public a large number of people thought wrestling was real and Mark Callaway used to portray As Undertaker in real life as well.. He did an amazing job and don't forget one thing Undertaker has had subtle changes throughout his character apart from one extreme phase where he went to the biker bad boy character and Callaway portrayed all of them extremely well..

    So not giving any credit to Callaway is plain stupid he deserves most of the credit for doing an amazing job..

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I have a mate who doesn't watch wrestling but knows who Undertaker is; he could sell out huge stadiums all by himself, Wrestlemania won't be the same without him. He has transcended generations and he'll be remembered for a very long time. He also doesn't need to be around anymore but did the ultimate job by putting over a youngster in Reigns who is being positioned as the future, as @Adil_94 said no one could give back to the business like Mark Callaway and no one wants to give back more then Mark Callaway. Immense respect. #UndisputedGOAT

    Mate my Dad has no clue about wrestling but he still knows the name Undertaker and Yokozuna.. Even rikshawpullers here might have heard of the name Undertaker.. When for khiladiyon ke khiladi the fake Undertaker was signed up there was a huge buzz all over and the dialogue "Panga, mujhse Panga" was very famous throughout my school and I would think throughout Pan India..

    In India Undertaker is easily the most famous wrestler he has transcended generations and has been true to his character..

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Mate my Dad has no clue about wrestling but he still knows the name Undertaker and Yokozuna.. Even rikshawpullers here might have heard of the name Undertaker.. When for khiladiyon ke khiladi the fake Undertaker was signed up there was a huge buzz all over and the dialogue "Panga, mujhse Panga" was very famous throughout my school and I would think throughout Pan India..

    In India Undertaker is easily the most famous wrestler he has transcended generations and has been true to his character..
    I remember that wasn't it the real Taker in that movie? am pretty sure Bret was in it as well. And agree with the rest of your post and you're right he is incredibly over all around the globe.





    Man this picture speaks thousands of words and is the most fitting tribute to the legend from the perspective of us fans:



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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    You are both right and wrong about this, ofcourse the writers and vince also deserve a lot of credit for making Undertaker however you cannot take anything away from Mark Callaway.. During early 90's when Kayfabe was not broken out to public a large number of people thought wrestling was real and Mark Callaway used to portray As Undertaker in real life as well.. He did an amazing job and don't forget one thing Undertaker has had subtle changes throughout his character apart from one extreme phase where he went to the biker bad boy character and Callaway portrayed all of them extremely well..

    So not giving any credit to Callaway is plain stupid he deserves most of the credit for doing an amazing job..
    mark calaway has done nothing with his character that someone else would not have been able to do

    he simply got lucky that this character fell his way

    he does not have a lot of moves and he does not need to captivate the audience with his promos

    the guy who played kane would have had the same success had the undertaker character fell his way

    mark calaway is the luckiest wrestler in history and does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the others

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    It's not real guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post
    mark calaway has done nothing with his character that someone else would not have been able to do

    he simply got lucky that this character fell his way

    he does not have a lot of moves and he does not need to captivate the audience with his promos

    the guy who played kane would have had the same success had the undertaker character fell his way

    mark calaway is the luckiest wrestler in history and does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the others


    Lol the same thing could have been said about any other amazing performance by any actor.. Al Pacino does not deserve any credit as he was just lucky to get the role any other actor could have played the character better?

    It's not as easy as you say my friend there have been a few similar gimmicks like taker but none of them succeeded as much as Undertaker. You are taking away all his hard work and effort which is really sad but that's your opinion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I remember that wasn't it the real Taker in that movie? am pretty sure Bret was in it as well. And agree with the rest of your post and you're right he is incredibly over all around the globe.





    Man this picture speaks thousands of words and is the most fitting tribute to the legend from the perspective of us fans:


    Nah it was the fake taker you remember Paul bearer Undertaker vs million dollar man Undertaker from 94? So the Undertaker in that movie was the fake one from there Chainz I think he wrestled as in WWF later on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Lol the same thing could have been said about any other amazing performance by any actor.. Al Pacino does not deserve any credit as he was just lucky to get the role any other actor could have played the character better?

    It's not as easy as you say my friend there have been a few similar gimmicks like taker but none of them succeeded as much as Undertaker. You are taking away all his hard work and effort which is really sad but that's your opinion..
    you cannot compare al pacino or any other actor to undertaker

    these actors sell the character through their emotions,expressions,body language etc

    undertaker the character was above all of these things because it was so powerful

    mark calaway had the luxury of saying nothing on the mic 90% of the time and he did not have to possess a wide array of moves

    he had little to do in order to sell the character because the undertaker character sold itself because it was that powerful

    other characters like undertaker failed because they were not very dark and they often came after undertaker so it did not feel original

    also the wrestlemania angle helped big time

    the decision to let him go unbeaten at wrestlemania gave the character more popularity

    mark calaway was exposed during the biker character in early 2000s

    he had to do a lot more mic work and show versatility but he flopped big time and the creative team brought the dead man character back after a couple of years

    the undertaker is without a doubt the best character in wrestling history but mark calaway is not even in the top 50 wrestlers of all time

    to say that he is the greatest or one of the greatest is ridiculous because he is not in the league of hbk,bret hart,hulk hogan,triple h,sting,cena,rock,stone cold,jericho,edge,cm punk etc etc etc

    he is proof of the fact that a great character can make a mediocre wrestler a hall of famer

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    idk, i loved cactus jack and his antics more than any other character in wrestling. he was such a maniac ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    idk, i loved cactus jack and his antics more than any other character in wrestling. he was such a maniac ....
    God knows what the dude was made out of his body was designed to take ridiculous punishment but he still bounced back. If PPers were wrestlers, @Suleiman would be mankind:

    Right after being thrown of the Cell:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo23 View Post
    you cannot compare al pacino or any other actor to undertaker

    these actors sell the character through their emotions,expressions,body language etc

    undertaker the character was above all of these things because it was so powerful

    mark calaway had the luxury of saying nothing on the mic 90% of the time and he did not have to possess a wide array of moves

    he had little to do in order to sell the character because the undertaker character sold itself because it was that powerful

    other characters like undertaker failed because they were not very dark and they often came after undertaker so it did not feel original

    also the wrestlemania angle helped big time

    the decision to let him go unbeaten at wrestlemania gave the character more popularity

    mark calaway was exposed during the biker character in early 2000s

    he had to do a lot more mic work and show versatility but he flopped big time and the creative team brought the dead man character back after a couple of years

    the undertaker is without a doubt the best character in wrestling history but mark calaway is not even in the top 50 wrestlers of all time

    to say that he is the greatest or one of the greatest is ridiculous because he is not in the league of hbk,bret hart,hulk hogan,triple h,sting,cena,rock,stone cold,jericho,edge,cm punk etc etc etc

    he is proof of the fact that a great character can make a mediocre wrestler a hall of famer
    That's all I have to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    That's all I have to say.
    Am surprised you even responded to that jobber, we're the main-event Hitman, don't give the sunday night heat talent the time of day, not worthy of a feud with us


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    @Red Devil @Hitman this is that Leo Jobber talking about the industry:



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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    @Red Devil @Hitman this is that Leo Jobber talking about the industry:

    At least he tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    At least he tried.
    He tried:



    10/10 for the effort


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    He tried:



    10/10 for the effort
    That's how long his credibility lasted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    That's how long his credibility lasted.



    Pretty much, man he stooped to Donald Trump level of ignorance


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Am surprised you even responded to that jobber, we're the main-event Hitman, don't give the sunday night heat talent the time of day, not worthy of a feud with us
    He was speaking of Undertaker as a worker and then compared him to two phenomenal workers in Hogan and Cena, two guys whom even the HeartBreak Kid probably has nightmares about working with. Although I do respect Cena a lot due to his professionalism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    He was speaking of Undertaker as a worker and then compared him to two phenomenal workers in Hogan and Cena, two guys whom even the HeartBreak Kid probably has nightmares about working with. Although I do respect Cena a lot due to his professionalism.
    It takes two to tango and Taker had arguably the greatest match in history at WM25; Mania is the showcase of the immortals and the grandest stage in wrestling, the streak is also a great measuring stick of Undertaker's in-ring ability. During the first phase he was doing the Zombie shtick and that never made for the best viewing, then he showed us a bit more vs Kane, HHH and Flair. Then past 2005 being an experienced senior he evolved and got better, also started doing a bit of MMA / Boxing; the matches vs Orton, Batista and Edge would showcase his versatility. Then he had those incredible bouts vs Shawn, excellent in 2 further matches vs HHH and put on the match of the night with Punk at WM29, the shane match was great to although it went on too long.

    So out of 23 bouts, the first 6 involved the Zombie incarnation so we can forget about them. That leaves us wth 17 matches, and out of those 17 matches Taker had good to excellent outings in 12 of those leaving 5 which were poor (A-Train/BigShow, Kane 2, Mark Henry, Bray Wyatt (was out of shape and had been inactive for a long period) and Roman Reigns (was a decent match but not great by his standards, Taker was in awful shape and had an injured hip, delayed surgery so he could put Reigns over) ). And you said before he was a big man to and incredibly agile. His Mania record from a kayfabe POV was an incredible accomplishments but for someone who some idiots complain about in-ring work he didn't fair too bad!


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    @Hitman Hogan wasn't perfect but he had some decent matches, the mania Savage/Warrior matches were great and I enjoyed the HBK match to even though Michaels was overselling to take the pee wee lol Cena's weakest point is selling but man he was so green to begin his stint at the top but has improved so much! he has excellent matches with pretty much everyone at the top of the card, this was showcased more recently when he worked with Nakamura:



    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    @shaz619 @Hitman @Red Devil

    Which is your favourite Undertaker mania match?

    Mine would the one against GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    God knows what the dude was made out of his body was designed to take ridiculous punishment but he still bounced back. If PPers were wrestlers, @Suleiman would be mankind:

    Right after being thrown of the Cell:



    lmao

    have been thrown once too many times from the cell now.


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