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    Nazis coming out of the closet under the Trump administration

    This was a rally in the US

    Flaming torches, Nazi salutes, Violence...



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    Unidentified militia has arrived at Emancipation Park ahead of the Charlottesville rally




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    There's such rallies every few years so it's hardly new. America guarantees freedom of speech so you can do pretty much anything if there's no threat of physical violence

    However yes you can say that the closet bigots are more emboldened now

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    Doesn't mean anything as @Slog said.

    In fact, Ku Klux Klan still has these rallies and what not. Even though they are much less prevalent than they were 50-odd years ago.


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    Why do these White Supremacists worship Hitler? As Hitler was more of Aryan / German Supremacist and even attacked various other Whites of different ethnicities, it's not like he was fighting for the supremacy of all Whites in the World. Infact, he was even defeated by union of countries that were White in majority.

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    Yet according to some conservatives, racism isn't a problem anymore because Obama became President.

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    Charlottesville: Violent clashes over US far-right rally

    One person has been killed amid violent clashes between white nationalists attending a far-right march and protesters in the US state of Virginia.

    The mayor of Charlottesville - where the "Unite the Right" rally was due - confirmed one fatality, without giving further details.

    Several people were injured when a car rammed into a crowd of people who were against the "Unite the Right" rally.

    A state of emergency has been declared to enable police to mobilise resources.

    The planned march is against plans to remove a statue of a US Civil War general.

    President Donald Trump condemned the violence on Twitter saying: "We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!"

    Video posted on social media showed a car ploughing at speed into several slow-moving vehicles, which were surrounded by a densely packed crowd. Emergency services were pictured treating a number of people who were injured.

    A witness said one girl got "tore up" after the car "backed up and hit again".

    Earlier, police fired tear gas against demonstrators and said that arrests had been made after a declaration of unlawful assembly at Emancipation Park.

    The state of emergency allows local authorities to request additional resources if needed, the police department said.

    The far-right protesters, some waving Confederate flags, carrying shields and wearing helmets, are angry about the planned removal of a statue of Gen Robert E Lee from Charlottesville. Gen Lee commanded the pro-slavery Confederate forces in the US Civil War of 1861-65.

    The New York Times reports that some of them were chanting "You will not replace us," and "Jew will not replace us."

    Anti-racism organisations such as Black Lives Matter have also held marches.

    At the scene: Bottles thrown

    By Joel Gunter, BBC News, Charlottesville

    There were very violent scenes at Emancipation Park and it took some time for the police to intervene.

    Both sides were throwing bottles and rocks and using pepper spray.

    The far-right protesters were a mix of different groups with shields and batons and the declaration of a state of emergency seemed to have had a significant impact on them, as they started to dissipate.

    Riot police have been deployed, but tensions remain high, with people screaming at each other and demonstrators still out on the streets.

    Shiquan Rah, a 21-year-old demonstrator who had joined the counter-protest, said about the far-right groups: "These people don't have a message, their message is hate and violence. This is a spiritual war we're in.

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe urged calm tweeting: "The acts and rhetoric in #Charlottesville over past 24 hours are unacceptable [and] must stop. A right to speech is not a right to violence."

    Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer had earlier called the rally a "parade of hatred, bigotry, racism and intolerance".

    US Civil War and alt-right links

    1861-65 US Civil War between the northern and southern states was principally caused by slavery

    Southern Confederate forces, which backed slavery, eventually surrendered to Union army and slavery was abolished

    A number of cities have grappled with Confederate symbols that still exist today, with flags and monuments becoming key venues for alt-right groups in recent months

    Supporters say Confederate symbols represent freedom and liberty, but opponents say their roots are in slavery

    The alt-right is a disparate group of provocateurs who hate political correctness and love Donald Trump, but critics say they are bigoted white nationalists

    On Friday, the white nationalists held lit torches - which some observers described as a reference to the Ku Klux Klan - and chanted "White lives matter" as they marched through the University of Virginia in the city.

    Charlottesville is considered a liberal college town - and 86% of the county voted for Hillary Clinton in last year's presidential elections.

    However, the town has become a focal point for white nationalists after the city council voted to remove a statue of Gen Lee.

    Some observers also argue that Mr Trump's election to the White House re-energised the far right across the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafa View Post
    Why do these White Supremacists worship Hitler? As Hitler was more of Aryan / German Supremacist and even attacked various other Whites of different ethnicities, it's not like he was fighting for the supremacy of all Whites in the World. Infact, he was even defeated by union of countries that were White in majority.
    Certainly a lot of the US adherents to white supremacism seem to be ethnically European white males, single or divorced, no specific age group although more likely to be under 30 or over 65, from troubled childhoods, little contact with non-white people, generally Christian beliefs and / or cultural values.

    Hitler is just an easy figurehead for these people to latch onto - because he was the most famous of their ilk. Most of them probably know next to nothing about Hitler the man.

    21st-century white supremacism, and white nationalism which is slightly different, have their roots in racism (particularly towards Blacks), antisemitism and a general fear of the Other - these are ideologies that can only be bought into by angry, lonely, insecure people who have been failed by society but are also failing their own selves.
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    Right wing candidates empower right wing elements. Look at Modi and the RSS beef brigade killing Muslims left right and centre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Doesn't mean anything as @Slog said.

    In fact, Ku Klux Klan still has these rallies and what not. Even though they are much less prevalent than they were 50-odd years ago.
    Don't ignore it by giving a reason "it happen all the time", it may happen every year but this time these groups have indirect support from the President of the United States. This support has become a recruiting tool, and give these groups an impression that it is okay to come out of hiding to be openly racist.

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    Lets here it! Waiting for some people do blame Muslim's as being the problem. Others will say we are suffering because of them, idiots.


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    This could start great problems in America at a time when they have tensions with North Korea and Venezuela.


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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    Don't ignore it by giving a reason "it happen all the time", it may happen every year but this time these groups have indirect support from the President of the United States. This support has become a recruiting tool, and give these groups an impression that it is okay to come out of hiding to be openly racist.
    Is there any evidence of the president supporting them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    Don't ignore it by giving a reason "it happen all the time", it may happen every year but this time these groups have indirect support from the President of the United States. This support has become a recruiting tool, and give these groups an impression that it is okay to come out of hiding to be openly racist.
    That's true. Trump will give these guys more confidence and liberty.

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    We actually had a rally today in Union Square, NYC protesting against this Charlottesville event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Is there any evidence of the president supporting them?
    It's well established their votes put him in office and he never condemns them but he is quick to name every other tom, dick and Harry.

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    Virginia's governor has ripped into the "white supremacists and the Nazis" who took part in a far-right rally in Charlottesville.

    Far-right activists organised the event on Friday to protest against Charlottesville's plans to remove a statue of Confederate General Robert E Lee from the city.

    But it turned ugly, as mass brawls broke out between them and anti-fascists, with people throwing punches, hurling water bottles and using pepper spray as riot police were deployed.

    White nationalists, neo-Nazis and members of the 'alt-right' exchange insults with counter-protesters as they attempt to guard the entrance to Lee Park during the 'Unite the Right' rally August 12

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe said: "I have a message to all the white supremacists and the Nazis who came into Charlottesville today.

    "Our message is plain and simple: Go home.

    "You are not wanted in this great commonwealth.

    "Shame on you.

    "You pretend that you are patriots but you are anything but a patriot."

    His words came after it was confirmed that three people had died as a result of the violence and dozens had been injured.

    Among the dead were two people - Lieutenant H. Jay Cullen and Trooper-pilot Berke M.M. Bates - on a Virginia State Police helicopter that had been assisting with policing the rally.

    A 32-year-old woman who had been crossing the street also died when she was struck by a car driving at high speed that also hit a group of anti-Nazi campaigners, injuring dozens.

    Heather Heyer was killed when she was hit by a car as she crossed a street

    James Alex Fields Jr, 20, of Ohio, has been charged with second-degree murder, three counts of malicious wounding, and one count related to leaving the scene.

    Mr McAuliffe continued, speaking to the white supremacists: "You came here today to hurt people and you did hurt people.

    "But my message is clear: we are stronger than you...You will not succeed. There is no place for you here. There is no place for you in America."

    James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio has been arrested in relation to a car being driven into a crowd at a protest in Charlottesville, Virginia

    His words came after US President Donald Trump said he condemned what he described as an "egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides".

    He added: "What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives."

    Some criticised Mr Trump for his seeming reluctance to specifically blame the white supremacists.

    Anti-fascist counter-protesters wait outside Lee Park to hurl insluts as white nationalists, neo-Nazis and members of the 'alt-right' are forced out
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    Anti-fascist counter-protesters outside Lee Park
    Republican senator Cory Gardner said: "We must call evil by its name. These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism."

    Democratic senator Adam Schiff said: "(The President) needs to speak out against the poisonous resurgence of white supremacy - there are not 'many sides' here, just right and wrong."

    Charlottesville mayor Michael Signer also had criticism for Mr Trump, blaming the President for inflaming racial prejudices during his presidential campaign last year.

    A woman is received first-aid after a car accident ran into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville

    Mr Signer said: "I'm not going to make any bones about it. I place the blame for a lot of what you're seeing in America today right at the doorstep of the White House and the people around the president."

    The FBI announced it has opened a civil rights investigation into the deadly car ramming, saying it "will collect all available facts and evidence".

    US Attorney General Jeff Sessions said: "When such (violent) actions arise from racial bigotry and hatred, they betray our core values and cannot be tolerated."

    Around 6,000 white supremacists were expected to have attended the Charlottesville rally.

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    Sickening.

    This aggro is about a plan to take down a statue of Robert E Lee, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    21st-century white supremacism, and white nationalism which is slightly different, have their roots in racism (particularly towards Blacks), antisemitism and a general fear of the Other - these are ideologies that can only be bought into by angry, lonely, insecure people who have been failed by society but are also failing their own selves.
    Except for the fact that not all of them, or their backers, are "..angry, lonely, insecure people who have been failed by society..". Many of them, especially those in the background, are actually quite wealthy, economically successful individuals with close knit family and community structures around them, ie quite the opposite of what you describe.

    Excusing them as being ".....angry, lonely, insecure people who have been failed by society..." is in fact virtually the exact same language used to describe and excuse those who leave the British Isles to go and fight for Isis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Except for the fact that not all of them, or their backers, are "..angry, lonely, insecure people who have been failed by society..". Many of them, especially those in the background, are actually quite wealthy, economically successful individuals with close knit family and community structures around them, ie quite the opposite of what you describe.

    Excusing them as being ".....angry, lonely, insecure people who have been failed by society..." is in fact virtually the exact same language used to describe and excuse those who leave the British Isles to go and fight for Isis.
    Why did you leave out the "and are failing their own selves" bit? You've changed the meaning of my statement by doing that, and you have only responded to half of a very clear statement.

    I'm saying that belief in extreme fringe ideologies is usually down a mixture of environmental / social factors AND a "blame everyone else" mentality in that person, also a lack of personal ownership on that individual's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Why did you leave out the "and are failing their own selves" bit? You've changed the meaning of my statement by doing that, and you have only responded to half of a very clear statement.

    I'm saying that belief in extreme fringe ideologies is usually down a mixture of environmental / social factors AND a "blame everyone else" mentality in that person, also a lack of personal ownership on that individual's part.
    In the case of these Neo-Nazi white supremacists, most of them actually believe that they are superior to other races. The wealthy and powerful (including non white-supremacists) have no need to blame others, because what are they going to blame others for? They generally already regard themselves as being superior to everyone else, either due to being born to wealth and privilege, or because they have risen above everyone else and 'made it' due to their 'innate superiority'. The wealthy white supremacists however take that one step further still. They don't just regard themselves as being superior to everyone else, but regard their own race/ethnicity as also being superior to all others.

    In the case of Trump, he ticks all the boxes. White, born to wealth and privilege, has become yet more wealthier and very famous, and now reached the pinnacle by being the President of the USA, the most powerful individual in the whole world. Were it not for the need to portray a semblance of being not an extremists, one can see how Trump could have been the leader of an extremist white supremacist neo Nazi group.


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    Why are Americans so defensive......I love the UK but am not above criticising all the negative stuff, in fact I'd find that most posters tend to be of the same view generally apart from @Robert joke ;)


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    In the case of these Neo-Nazi white supremacists, most of them actually believe that they are superior to other races. The wealthy and powerful (including non white-supremacists) have no need to blame others, because what are they going to blame others for? They generally already regard themselves as being superior to everyone else, either due to being born to wealth and privilege, or because they have risen above everyone else and 'made it' due to their 'innate superiority'. The wealthy white supremacists however take that one step further still. They don't just regard themselves as being superior to everyone else, but regard their own race/ethnicity as also being superior to all others.

    In the case of Trump, he ticks all the boxes. White, born to wealth and privilege, has become yet more wealthier and very famous, and now reached the pinnacle by being the President of the USA, the most powerful individual in the whole world. Were it not for the need to portray a semblance of being not an extremists, one can see how Trump could have been the leader of an extremist white supremacist neo Nazi group.
    There are definitely upper-middle class white supremacists in the US, but these tend to be the small number of leaders and galvanisers, who have the necessary education, wealth and intelligence to influence their target audience - who are typically white kids (mainly male) who either live alone, or at home with their parents, don't have much money, have been told throughout school that they have no futures and that they are failures, have no qualifications and either a rubbish job or no job - they are extremely ripe for getting brainwashed into believing that all of America's problems are caused by ethnic minorities ("positive discrimination policies" and "welfare programs"), immigrants ("taking our women and taking our jobs") and Jews ("evil super-rich bankers who secretly control the world").

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    A part of it is due to the rise in identity politics - backlash against the SJW movement, BLM and shaming whites for White Privilege.

    Doesnt excuse racism at all, but I would assume whites who were constantly preached about BLM and shamed for white privilege would get the urge to react.

    Extremely divisive state of American social politics currently. Trump is a product of this divison, not the cause.

    Liberal democtrats need a new plan of action, and really need to tone down divisons from identity politics.


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    Trump himself is no white supremacist. Believers in white power tend to have a long history of association with the relevant movements. Because of the hypercontroversial and largely underground nature of their activities, it takes many years to build up a significant and trusted profile amongst their ranks.

    But Trump is a Liberal from New York City. Until he turned 60 he was a Democrat. Trump simply knows two things here: a) he would not have got into the "White" (hehe) House without the white power vote, and b) he has to keep appealing to them in order to have a chance of keeping his seat in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Trump himself is no white supremacist. Believers in white power tend to have a long history of association with the relevant movements.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d1b84f4821f8

    Trump's dad was arrested after a Klan riot. That sounds like some pretty deep longstanding Klan roots to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d1b84f4821f8

    Trump's dad was arrested after a Klan riot. That sounds like some pretty deep longstanding Klan roots to me?
    Quoted from the same article - bearing in mind that the Post is probably the most anti-Trump paper apart from the NY Times:

    "In 2000, Trump declined to run for president as a member of the Reform Party because the "Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.""

    For me that is more than enough to prove that President Trump is not a white supremacist. Not sure about his Dad of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Quoted from the same article - bearing in mind that the Post is probably the most anti-Trump paper apart from the NY Times:

    "In 2000, Trump declined to run for president as a member of the Reform Party because the "Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.""

    For me that is more than enough to prove that President Trump is not a white supremacist. Not sure about his Dad of course.
    Yet Mr Duke came out with statements such as we voted and supported Trump.

    I know I'm being cynical but I can understand Trump coming out with that statement in 2000.
    He would have had absolutely no chance of winning and it would have impacted badly on his business dealings. Remember it was 17 years ago, a different era to what we're living in now.

    Finally, Trump is a proven liar.

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    On the day of the protests:-

    "This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back," Duke said. "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That's what believed in. That's why we voted for Donald Trump."

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Yet Mr Duke came out with statements such as we voted and supported Trump.

    I know I'm being cynical but I can understand Trump coming out with that statement in 2000.
    He would have had absolutely no chance of winning and it would have impacted badly on his business dealings. Remember it was 17 years ago, a different era to what we're living in now.

    Finally, Trump is a proven liar.
    Yes Duke and co supported Trump and voted for him.

    Truth is that in a true two-Party system, given the choice (if they vote at all) the white supremacists will always vote Republican - because of the GOP commitment to the Constitution, gun ownership and absolute free speech. They may well have voted for Romney, Bush et al in the past. Trump has not distanced himself from the Klansmen because he knows that he needs their vote in 2019, as he did last year.

    But there is ultimately a distinction between your campaign team telling you to strategically appease the white power movement, and actually being a part of that movement yourself. Trump is clearly guilty of the former, but in my opinion he is not guilty of the latter.

    Most of the historical evidence points to Trump himself being economically neoliberal, and socially conservative-leaning, but not a right-wing extremist as such.

    Remember that white supremacists in the US are often ultranationalist religious loons as well as being racist and antisemitic. Trump just does not fit the profile for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Yes Duke and co supported Trump and voted for him.

    Truth is that in a true two-Party system, given the choice (if they vote at all) the white supremacists will always vote Republican - because of the GOP commitment to the Constitution, gun ownership and absolute free speech. They may well have voted for Romney, Bush et al in the past. Trump has not distanced himself from the Klansmen because he knows that he needs their vote in 2019, as he did last year.

    But there is ultimately a distinction between your campaign team telling you to strategically appease the white power movement, and actually being a part of that movement yourself. Trump is clearly guilty of the former, but in my opinion he is not guilty of the latter.

    Most of the historical evidence points to Trump himself being economically neoliberal, and socially conservative-leaning, but not a right-wing extremist as such.

    Remember that white supremacists in the US are often ultranationalist religious loons as well as being racist and antisemitic. Trump just does not fit the profile for me.
    I agree with you, after all his own son in-law is Jewish and that will explain why his daughter came out strongly against the riots.

    However, i'm fed up with the lies and hypocrisy of the man. He's the one who said that people should call it as it is, i.e. Islamic Terror. Yet here he's unwilling to call it as it is.

    He called for a "muslim" ban yet most of the killings and violence in America has nothing to do with Islam and muslim immigrants.

    He fly's over to Saudi Arabia to sign an intent to sell arms to Saudi Arabia yet knows that 9 out of the 11 people that carried out 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia.

    The list is endless.

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    Western liberals refuse to call Nazis Nazis because of Godwin's Law

    Godwin says..."THEY ARE NAZIS!"



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    POTUS just condemned 'White supremacists', the KKK and Nazis, in a statement - but, I think it is far too little far too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadz View Post
    POTUS just condemned 'White supremacists', the KKK and Nazis, in a statement - but, I think it is far too little far too late.
    You can't criticize him for not using the exact words you wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    It's well established their votes put him in office and he never condemns them but he is quick to name every other tom, dick and Harry.
    Are you implying that close to half the US population are white supremecists?

    He has condemed them several times, like just now. Not publically condeming them does not mean he indirectly supports them. There also haven't been many incidents from these types of people since he came into office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Are you implying that close to half the US population are white supremecists?

    He has condemed them several times, like just now. Not publically condeming them does not mean he indirectly supports them. There also haven't been many incidents from these types of people since he came into office.
    No he isn't implying that.

    He hasn't condemned until he was forced to. You aren't that naive, so, please stop trying to pretend to be one.

    Simple google search will tell you the exact recorded number of hate crimes in US.

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    Trump has earned himself praise for today's speech!!.... from David Duke, that is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post






    No surprise.
    Should re-name this thread "Nazi Occupying the White House".

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Yes Duke and co supported Trump and voted for him.

    Truth is that in a true two-Party system, given the choice (if they vote at all) the white supremacists will always vote Republican - because of the GOP commitment to the Constitution, gun ownership and absolute free speech. They may well have voted for Romney, Bush et al in the past. Trump has not distanced himself from the Klansmen because he knows that he needs their vote in 2019, as he did last year.

    But there is ultimately a distinction between your campaign team telling you to strategically appease the white power movement, and actually being a part of that movement yourself. Trump is clearly guilty of the former, but in my opinion he is not guilty of the latter.

    Most of the historical evidence points to Trump himself being economically neoliberal, and socially conservative-leaning, but not a right-wing extremist as such.

    Remember that white supremacists in the US are often ultranationalist religious loons as well as being racist and antisemitic. Trump just does not fit the profile for me.
    You could say that about muslim politicians who aren't actively supporting terrorists or fit the conservative muslim profile but use their vote to be in power. Why do we have to rationalize everything a white person does smh.


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    Trump wants civil conflict in the USA to satisfy the Zionists. That is his true agenda.


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    Trump is a piece of work. He first refuses to acknowledge this was a demonstration by a hate group, and accuses both sides for the loss of life, then he says yes it was a hate group and now he is again saying well what about the other side?


    its like he is doing his very best to shield them and make sure they vote for him again in the next election. I cant believe this guy is a president.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Trump wants civil conflict in the USA to satisfy the Zionists. That is his true agenda.
    lol wut

    the alt-rght, white nationalists or whatever you wanna call them hate jews and zionists.

    infact to them - jews are worst than muslims


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    Trump is not a racist

    He just doesnt care


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    Trump is a racist who can suppress his feelings in the face of cold, hard cash. Just because he bowed to the SA monarch and has been good to a few people who are visible minorities does not excuse his other, blatantly racist words and actions.

    These neo-Nazis should be behind bars. They brew nothing but trouble wherever they go and their whole ideology is about dominance over minorities.

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    Obama has a lot to answer for. His legacy is Trump. He had 8 years in power but was too busy bombing Muslims to sort out US domestic problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Trump himself is no white supremacist. Believers in white power tend to have a long history of association with the relevant movements. Because of the hypercontroversial and largely underground nature of their activities, it takes many years to build up a significant and trusted profile amongst their ranks.

    But Trump is a Liberal from New York City. Until he turned 60 he was a Democrat. Trump simply knows two things here: a) he would not have got into the "White" (hehe) House without the white power vote, and b) he has to keep appealing to them in order to have a chance of keeping his seat in 2020.
    Trump apologist in full flow here. I hate PC/Feminist/Left/all-googie-goodie culture but people like you are the prime reason why a racist like Trump is POTUS.

    Trump is a Liberal from New York City. Until he turned 60 he was a Democrat
    You do realize his father's connection with KKK, right?

    (I've only read this post of yours in this thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    lol wut

    the alt-rght, white nationalists or whatever you wanna call them hate jews and zionists.

    infact to them - jews are worst than muslims
    That does not mean they don't want civil war.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Are you implying that close to half the US population are white supremecists?

    He has condemed them several times, like just now. Not publically condeming them does not mean he indirectly supports them. There also haven't been many incidents from these types of people since he came into office.
    No he just hires them to the White House like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller - two noted white nationalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    You can't criticize him for not using the exact words you wanted.

    I can, and do, criticise POTUS. As does the rest of the rational world. If Muslim extremists had been waving Da'esh flags, screaming about their 'first amendment rights' and one amongst them killed an American woman, who was protesting against them (Heather Heyer), POTUS would have been the first to condemn them and praise the demonstrators who gathered to oppose them.

    Even Theresa May has stated 'I see no equivalence between those who propound fascist views and those who oppose them.' Many top Republicans have also raised their voices against White supremacists, the KKK and neo-Nazis, and demanded that POTUS clearly and categorically state his rejection of, opposition to, them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Trump is a racist who can suppress his feelings in the face of cold, hard cash. Just because he bowed to the SA monarch and has been good to a few people who are visible minorities does not excuse his other, blatantly racist words and actions.

    These neo-Nazis should be behind bars. They brew nothing but trouble wherever they go and their whole ideology is about dominance over minorities.
    That's not how it works. You can't jail someone because they follow some different ideology. Otherwise, all of BLM should be in jail.

    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    No he isn't implying that.

    He hasn't condemned until he was forced to. You aren't that naive, so, please stop trying to pretend to be one.

    Simple google search will tell you the exact recorded number of hate crimes in US.
    Saying that they form most of his voterbase certainly implies that.

    He wasn't forced to do anything. A few keyboard warriors can't force him to change his statement. He condemmed this in the strictest possible terms.

    Why does the total number of hate crimes matter? We're talking about violence from a specific group of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Apparently the most RTD tweet in history


    Obama broke retweet and likes record with this tweet. He is still most popular leader in USA. People are missing him badly. What a disgraced president we have now


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    If you are Muslim Extremist, you are called Terrorist, but if you are white racist, you are not called terrorist?? - This double standard has to change, this is again a cultural problem, Christan conservatives are immune to racism in a same way as muslim conservatives are immune to radical/extremist. Both are not willing to acknowledge problem with their culture, conservative culture is centered around Faith, racism and extremist are Faith based ideology, they are not going to breed in a reason and free thinking culture, they can only breed around Faith centric culture!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    lol wut

    the alt-rght, white nationalists or whatever you wanna call them hate jews and zionists.

    infact to them - jews are worst than muslims
    I think Trump's biggest mistake would be to erk the Jewish Lobby.
    He can call out Muslim Islamic terrorists and call for bans and what not without real condemnation.
    However, upsetting the Jewish Lobby is a massive miscalculation and his biggest mistake to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    I think Trump's biggest mistake would be to erk the Jewish Lobby.
    He can call out Muslim Islamic terrorists and call for bans and what not without real condemnation.
    However, upsetting the Jewish Lobby is a massive miscalculation and his biggest mistake to date.
    i think this last election also proved that the impact and influence of the jewish lobby in american electoral politics is overstated and exaggerated


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    Malcolm X: "That white person you see calling himself a liberal is the most dangerous thing in the western hemisphere...he's like a fox."



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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Trump apologist in full flow here. I hate PC/Feminist/Left/all-googie-goodie culture but people like you are the prime reason why a racist like Trump is POTUS.


    You do realize his father's connection with KKK, right?

    (I've only read this post of yours in this thread)
    I posted in this thread before Trump came back with his 3rd statement and tried to exonerate the white supremacists again. So I can now see that he has racist tendencies. Missed a trick with this one and I acknowledge that today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    i think this last election also proved that the impact and influence of the jewish lobby in american electoral politics is overstated and exaggerated
    Lol are you for real, Trump is one of the most pro Israel guys out there, even Netanyahu loves him. Hardcore Zionists love Trump. He's had investments in Israel long before he became president, his daughter married a Jew and converted to Judaism. The lobby is real but it's only strong cause of the support it gets from American Christians, mostly Evangelical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    Lol are you for real, Trump is one of the most pro Israel guys out there, even Netanyahu loves him. Hardcore Zionists love Trump. He's had investments in Israel long before he became president, his daughter married a Jew and converted to Judaism. The lobby is real but it's only strong cause of the support it gets from American Christians, mostly Evangelical.
    It's there

    And it's great from a financing perspective

    But I genuinely believe people overstate its importance

    Ofcourse yea compared to their numbers it is a lot of influence but it's not the single most important influence as some would like to believe


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Are you implying that close to half the US population are white supremecists?

    He has condemed them several times, like just now. Not publically condeming them does not mean he indirectly supports them. There also haven't been many incidents from these types of people since he came into office.
    Where you from? You can't be that naive if you are an American. Do you know how the electoral college works? Are you aware Hillary got more votes than trump?

    The race was decided due to a niche group turning out in hordes and voting for trump,
    People from the rust belt and other midwestern swing states, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. there were those people there who did not turn out or were undecided in the past but the type of campaign run by trump has turned a lot of moderate whites into hate mongering white nationalists who are now faulting Obama and minorities for all the problems they face. Trump has been on this campaign track since 2008, starting with the birther movement... he has done a lot mainstreaming racism and blaming the minorities for pretty much every problem under the sun the US faces

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Where you from? You can't be that naive if you are an American. Do you know how the electoral college works? Are you aware Hillary got more votes than trump?

    The race was decided due to a niche group turning out in hordes and voting for trump,
    People from the rust belt and other midwestern swing states, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. there were those people there who did not turn out or were undecided in the past but the type of campaign run by trump has turned a lot of moderate whites into hate mongering white nationalists who are now faulting Obama and minorities for all the problems they face. Trump has been on this campaign track since 2008, starting with the birther movement... he has done a lot mainstreaming racism and blaming the minorities for pretty much every problem under the sun the US faces
    I've lived in SF for a long time.

    Yes, and I said

    "Are you implying that close to half the US population are white supremecists?"

    By saying that they form majority of his voterbase, that would include over a quarter of Americans.

    So you're saying that Trump's campaign was so effective that he turned a quarter of all Americans from people with moderate views into hate mongering white supremecists? That's complete drivel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    I've lived in SF for a long time.

    Yes, and I said

    "Are you implying that close to half the US population are white supremecists?"

    By saying that they form majority of his voterbase, that would include over a quarter of Americans.

    So you're saying that Trump's campaign was so effective that he turned a quarter of all Americans from people with moderate views into hate mongering white supremecists? That's complete drivel.
    I find this issue extremely interesting.

    Everyone I spoke with prior to the Election turned their eyes up whenever I mentioned Trump.
    Personally, I have yet to meet a single American who voted for him and I know and have met plenty of Americans over the past 12-18 months.

    So, I do think that a lot of his voter base is made up of rascists and unfortunately those that lacked the level of intelligence to be able to see through his lies.. Harsh as it sounds, but I do believe that America is full of people of below average intelligence.

    I don't know what to say about those who voted for him who are outside of these two categories.. I don't know how anyone could vote for a sexist, alleged womeniser whose been bankrupt four times. To me, it seemed silly how people could vote for him then and even more crazy who anyone can defend him after his actions since he backs POTUS culminating in his ridiculous press conference on Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    I've lived in SF for a long time.

    Yes, and I said

    "Are you implying that close to half the US population are white supremecists?"

    By saying that they form majority of his voterbase, that would include over a quarter of Americans.

    So you're saying that Trump's campaign was so effective that he turned a quarter of all Americans from people with moderate views into hate mongering white supremecists? That's complete drivel.
    It's quite obvious you have zero understanding of how elections and voter turnout and swing voters affect outcomes of elections. A few facts:

    1) Trump did not win the popular vote

    2) Trump won by cleverly manipulating the playing field and the electoral college votes.

    3) He did that by running a campaign of divisiveness in the blue collar states who are considered swing states or dem states, he laid the blame for all their problems squarely on Obamacare and minorities and stoked conspiracy theories that whites are being victimized.

    4) most whites without college degrees took the bait, hook, line and sinker and are now part of this alt right movement. These are people what might have voted dems 10 years ago but over the last ten years, like I said earlier, they have been brainwashed by the non stop rhetoric coming from the alt right outlets.

    So yes there are lots of now brainwashed newly converted white nationalists (supremacists) now and they are the ones trump counted on to vote for him.

    5) a vast majority of US is whites. And those who are not college educated. A very big majority. In the past they may not have voted at all but Trump mobilized them and they feel it's ok now to be a neo nazi because of the rhetoric coming from the trump camp has mainstreamed it. Now it's ok to stand in a street corner and abuse minorities because "they are probably illegal" "terrorists" "took our jobs" "are on welfare using our tax money" etc.

    Oh are from SF so you probably don't realize this. I have spent 20 plus years in a red state and now I am in a midwestern state that voted Trump so I live with these people and I k is how they think. It's folly to suggest white supremacists had nothing to do with it. They had everything to do with it. If they were not mobilized and turned out like before, trump would have never won. I am not suggesting that a 100% of his voter base was these people. But with such close elections, it's always about a few key demographics in a few areas, we are talking a few hundred thousands and they can swing the election completely. This is pol sci 101, if you still don't understand it or believe me why do t you listen to David Duke.. you know what he said a few days ago? And u know for once he is absolutely correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    Malcolm X: "That white person you see calling himself a liberal is the most dangerous thing in the western hemisphere...he's like a fox."


    Malcolm X was a terrorist


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    Many negative connotations have been attached to nationalism over the centuries. This has escalated to such a level that in modern times nationalism, in public view, has become a distasteful political idea. Kaplan (1981: 16) explains: “Although this century has witnessed many wars and even mass exterminations because of ideologies predicating the supremacy of the national group, it is important not to overreact and declare that all forms of nationalism contain the roots of Nazi atrocities”. A recent rise in, and opposition to, nationalistic language and ideas then come as no surprise as many American citizens perceive their culture and national identity to be in danger. This is highlighted by the fact that Donald Trump was elected as the president of the United States of America with a campaign specifically focused on national identity and a nostalgic perception about American ideals.

    Many of these "Nazis" are simply people who hold nationalistic views, desperately clinging onto their national identity. The problem is they perceive their national identity to be under threat from the left, globalisation and mass international migration. Mass migration is a global phenomenon, it affects all nations on a fundamental level. Western wars of aggression in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, in order to extend the 'liberal zone of peace', have led to waves of migrants seeking refuge. As @Stewie pointed out, many of these "Nazis" are not well educated and their national identity gives them something modern America has stripped from many of them - dignity. ‘Culturally diverse waves’ of migrants reinforces the function and meaning of national identity and the fact that national identity offers citizens dignity, a commodity hard to come by in the modern world, the election of Donald Trump can be seen as a rational direct response to international migration and globalisation.

    A common culture, rather than ethnicity or ‘the state’, form the basis of these American nationalists. While the media label them "Nazis" and evil, these far right organisations and groups welcome them. They are eventually exposed the to more radical ideas and many have indeed adopted these ideas.

    The only solution I can think of in this complicated mess is if the left somehow captured the imagination of these nationalists. The fact of the matter is, many of the "alt-right" are ideologically closer to classical liberalism and libertarianism than "Nazis". Allowing them the liberty, and respect for their heritage, they demand, the freedom to celebrate their "racist" identities instead of condemning them to the obscure abyss of far right groups would be a wise decision.

    There is nothing wrong with celebrating your culture, whatever that might be, the problem comes when you declare your culture superior to others. This is exactly what the left has done to so many American citizens that hold relatively right leaning views regarding national identity and nationalism.


    Reference (as there is only one ):

    Kaplan, L. 1981. Nationalism. Harvard International Review, 3(7), pp.16-18.

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    Can someone explain what is alt left, alt right and alt center?

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