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    Liverpool FC | 2017-18 Season

    The Reds started the Premier League season with a typical display of attacking flair mixed with defensive sloppiness in a 3-3 draw with Watford.

    Keep up with their season on this thread.


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    No enthusiasm for this season whatsoever. This club is finished at the top level.

    Owners are content to be Arsenal-lite.

    Klopp is the German Wenger - capable of playing quality high tempo attacking football but unable to organise a solid defence. He's choked in several cup finals and last season we went from being title contenders to barely scraping 4th. A manager doesn't earn my loyalty through clownish memes, its through trophies and results and ALREADY we've dropped points.

    The squad will inevitably be down to the bones around Christmas and New Year as first teamers get injured - and we'll lament the failure to pad out the squad.

    Thank god cricket was my first love. Knowing our luck, Hasan Ali and Sarfraz Ahmed will announce they have some secret English citizenship

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    The squad is still not powerful and strong enough. Need a few more signing particularly in defence where we are a complete shambles. Another midfielder will do as well as a forward. Have a great chance of finishing in the top four if we can keep Coutinho, still not title contenders in my opinion.


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    Great attacking performance today putting the opposition to the sword. Mani, Firmino and Can were all brilliant with our pace frightening them. With Inges, Orgi, Sturridge, Coutinho and Lallana on the bench or unavailable the squad looks strong. Negative was the poor defensive performance again conceding two needless goal's due to bad marking. Hopefully, qualifying for the CL group stages will satisfy Coutinho and also means some quality signings before the window closes. The kid Trent Alexander Arnold looks like a quality prospect.


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    Our attacking threat was never an issue as long as the forward 4 remains healthy & fresh. Add to that PC & a fit Sturridge, it's almost as good as any forward 4 in EPL. Forming isn't a No. 9, otherwise today we could have scored 6/7. Problem is defensive half & squad depth. There is almost no backup on the attacking line while for defense problem is in both areas - we don't defend well as a team (that goes against Klopp, fantastic attacking coach, but a child compared to Jose or Carlo when it comes to protect 1-0s) and we don't have a defensive leader.

    Cara was 4th or 5th choice CB for an average English team, means he wasn't the best CB around, but he had the command on his back line, while Pep Reina was great with his vocal instructions. When Big Sammy Hyppia was there, he was in charge of every defensive act, but now there is none. This is where I'll never leave space for FSG, if they can't land VVD. I can accept Kieta issue, but if we can't land VVD, Klopp has absolutely no chance to make top 4 again.

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    We can end in an easy group of

    Real/Bayern
    PSG/Barca
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    Leipzig

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    Klopp has been not upto the mark

    Liverpool is still looking for a proper central mid post-Gerrard imo

    Defence is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Our attacking threat was never an issue as long as the forward 4 remains healthy & fresh. Add to that PC & a fit Sturridge, it's almost as good as any forward 4 in EPL. Forming isn't a No. 9, otherwise today we could have scored 6/7. Problem is defensive half & squad depth. There is almost no backup on the attacking line while for defense problem is in both areas - we don't defend well as a team (that goes against Klopp, fantastic attacking coach, but a child compared to Jose or Carlo when it comes to protect 1-0s) and we don't have a defensive leader.

    Cara was 4th or 5th choice CB for an average English team, means he wasn't the best CB around, but he had the command on his back line, while Pep Reina was great with his vocal instructions. When Big Sammy Hyppia was there, he was in charge of every defensive act, but now there is none. This is where I'll never leave space for FSG, if they can't land VVD. I can accept Kieta issue, but if we can't land VVD, Klopp has absolutely no chance to make top 4 again.
    Firmino was the best player on the pitch. The best false 9 performance not involving Messi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Firmino was the best player on the pitch. The best false 9 performance not involving Messi
    Exactly. Imagine in a 442 (4411) Diamond formation Firmino playing just behind say someone like Diego Costa, with Mane Coutinho and Salah as flat 3 midfield and Kieta as the anchor + back line 4 lead by VVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Our attacking threat was never an issue as long as the forward 4 remains healthy & fresh. Add to that PC & a fit Sturridge, it's almost as good as any forward 4 in EPL. Forming isn't a No. 9, otherwise today we could have scored 6/7. Problem is defensive half & squad depth. There is almost no backup on the attacking line while for defense problem is in both areas - we don't defend well as a team (that goes against Klopp, fantastic attacking coach, but a child compared to Jose or Carlo when it comes to protect 1-0s) and we don't have a defensive leader.

    Cara was 4th or 5th choice CB for an average English team, means he wasn't the best CB around, but he had the command on his back line, while Pep Reina was great with his vocal instructions. When Big Sammy Hyppia was there, he was in charge of every defensive act, but now there is none.
    This is where I'll never leave space for FSG, if they can't land VVD. I can accept Kieta issue, but if we can't land VVD, Klopp has absolutely no chance to make top 4 again.
    One of the biggest reasons why we've only won one League Cup in the last 7 years. There has been no organisation or leadership in defence ever seen the departures of Carragher and Hyypia. Carra wasn't the quickest or strongest but he knew how to organise and communicate. You could hear him screaming and shouting at his teammates from the stands.

    You don't need star names for a solid defensive unit - Leicester won the league with Rob Huth and Wes Morgan. Tony Pulis has made a reputation for defensive solidity with his teams over the years with yard dogs like Ryan Shawcross. Its about the system and the way you set up tactically.

    Houllier and Benitez were masters at being able to grind out the tough 1-0s or 0-0s when they needed to. Think back to the 2001 UEFA Cup run. Benitez would always ensure his midfielders would protect their centre-halves as he hated his CBs being exposed to 2 v 2 situations.

    I don't see this changing as Klopp's defensive record was similar at Dortmund. It puts too much pressure on our attackers as they can't score 3 goals every game to compensate for the weak defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    One of the biggest reasons why we've only won one League Cup in the last 7 years. There has been no organisation or leadership in defence ever seen the departures of Carragher and Hyypia. Carra wasn't the quickest or strongest but he knew how to organise and communicate. You could hear him screaming and shouting at his teammates from the stands.

    You don't need star names for a solid defensive unit - Leicester won the league with Rob Huth and Wes Morgan. Tony Pulis has made a reputation for defensive solidity with his teams over the years with yard dogs like Ryan Shawcross. Its about the system and the way you set up tactically.

    Houllier and Benitez were masters at being able to grind out the tough 1-0s or 0-0s when they needed to. Think back to the 2001 UEFA Cup run. Benitez would always ensure his midfielders would protect their centre-halves as he hated his CBs being exposed to 2 v 2 situations.

    I don't see this changing as Klopp's defensive record was similar at Dortmund. It puts too much pressure on our attackers as they can't score 3 goals every game to compensate for the weak defence.
    True - he had Weindfeller as GK & Subtic-Hummels as his CB pairing. What he can do is appoint a defense coordinator in his support staff, preferably Italian. When Hyppia was there, whenever team lost the possession, players used to look at him & he coordinated the fall back - last goal we conceded against Hoffenheim from left side tight angle, when Moreno was in opponents half while Matip/Lovren was trying to recover from a failed off side trap & Mignolet was beaten at the 1st post!!!!!! I can tell you that Jo Mou would have got couple of matches sideline ban after conceding that sort of goal (for his man handling of his left back & mouthful to his defensive line) - our Klopp is quite happy that we have scored 4.


    The squad depth is for the sake of reducing wage bill - hope at least now that the Yanks are assured of almost $100mn from CL Group stage only, the'll take out they dusty cheque book from the bottom of their iron safe.

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    A good draw in the CL. Have avoided the really big sides unlike Spurs who are in a very difficult group. Need a few good signings like a defensive midfielder and centre back before the window shuts. I see us progressing to the latter stages of the tournament if we can do that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    We can end in an easy group of

    Real/Bayern
    PSG/Barca
    Liverpool
    Leipzig


    In contrast, we possibly have got the best group
    Real/Bayern > Spartak
    PSG/Barca > Sevilla
    Liverpool
    Leipzig > Maribor.

    Group A: Benfica, Manchester United, Basel, CSKA Moscow
    Group B: Bayern Munich, Paris Saint-Germain, Anderlecht, Celtic
    Group C: Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
    Group D: Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
    Group E: Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
    Group F: Shakhtar Donetsk, Manchester City, Napoli, Feyenoord
    Group G: Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
    Group H: Real Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Tottenham, Apoel

    Probably, we have got the weakest seeds of every round : Champions - Russian Champions, 4th in La Liga as 2nd seed, 4th in EPL in 3rd seed, Slovenian champions as 4th seed

    Only Group A & F can be considered close to this one, still their 2nd & 4th seed are much stronger than ours. MUST have to qualify at top, so that we can avoid big boys - only bad luck can be to draw with Group B, C or D runners-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Exactly. Imagine in a 442 (4411) Diamond formation Firmino playing just behind say someone like Diego Costa, with Mane Coutinho and Salah as flat 3 midfield and Kieta as the anchor + back line 4 lead by VVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That would be too attacking and unbalanced probably. Mane and Salah are forwards and can't play in central midfield unless you mean a conventional 442/4411 and not a diamond. Keita is also best where Lallana/Gini play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    That would be too attacking and unbalanced probably. Mane and Salah are forwards and can't play in central midfield unless you mean a conventional 442/4411 and not a diamond. Keita is also best where Lallana/Gini play.
    In that case, Firmino has to sit out or share No. 10 spot with Coutinho . Bottom line is you can't compete at highest level without a powerful & skilled No. 9. Leicester won the league & lots of credit goes to Mahrez, but that's probably injustice to Vardy. Look at the other 6 No. 9s (CF) in EPL - Costa, Aguero, Lukaku, Kane, Lecazzette & Rooney; first thing they are goal scorer; basic instinct is to get into position & hit first timers - Firmino almost certainly will need two touches for that, which can be a great quality, but not as the tip of attack. We need a 20 goal striker - No. 7, 10, 9, 11, 14, 12 or 8 I don't mind, that's Liverpool's history, from Toshak, Keegan, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torress to Suarez.

    I like Klopp, lots of respect for him, but if he thinks he'll win trophies with his heavy metal hit & run game without a goal scorer & defensive leader, he'll lose his job in couple of years. His record is horrible in Cup finals - matches that often are won with one poached goal & lots of defending. I don't mind winning 6-1 against Brighton, but that's meaningless if we can't protect lead in injury time to Watford or conceded both times to Hoffenheim.

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    Rumours growing that Coutinho will ask to be left out of Liverpool's Champions League squad. With his hopes of moving to Barcelona this month all but squashed it seems he is holding out for a January transfer now. It is highly unlikely that Liverpool will agree to his latest absurd demand. There will surely be nothing in his contract where leaving him out of the Champions League squad would be mentioned. It is also possible that after signing Dembele Barcelona may lose interest in him now. As for tomorrow's clash with Arsenal the team appears to be in good shape. Other then the long term absentee's there seem to be no new injury worries. With the midfield looking good and plenty of options up front I am hoping for a 3-1 win. Still want some new signings before the window closes, Origi could be sold as well.


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    The true test will not be against the big sides but facing teams that park the bus against us and our trips to bottom 10 opposition that'll test our set-piece defending

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    Awesome performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
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    True Test'll be in 2nd half of the season. Our first XI is as good as anyone going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Rumours growing that Coutinho will ask to be left out of Liverpool's Champions League squad. With his hopes of moving to Barcelona this month all but squashed it seems he is holding out for a January transfer now. It is highly unlikely that Liverpool will agree to his latest absurd demand. There will surely be nothing in his contract where leaving him out of the Champions League squad would be mentioned. It is also possible that after signing Dembele Barcelona may lose interest in him now. As for tomorrow's clash with Arsenal the team appears to be in good shape. Other then the long term absentee's there seem to be no new injury worries. With the midfield looking good and plenty of options up front I am hoping for a 3-1 win. Still want some new signings before the window closes, Origi could be sold as well.
    He should be sold - unnecessary distraction. Off load him, pay what ever it takes for VVD, Sanches (Renato) & may be Costa/Auba - we are there.

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    Liverpool 4 - Arsenal 0

    Demolished the Gunners, could've been more. Emphatic and easy win. Next!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    He should be sold - unnecessary distraction. Off load him, pay what ever it takes for VVD, Sanches (Renato) & may be Costa/Auba - we are there.
    To late now. He should have been sold at the right time enabling us to sign three quality players. We were awesome today against Arsenal proving we will be fine without him. In Mane, Salah and Firminio we have the best attack in the EPL. Arsenal were toothless and terrible without the ball. Don't understand why Arsene did not leave at the end of last season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    To late now. He should have been sold at the right time enabling us to sign three quality players. We were awesome today against Arsenal proving we will be fine without him. In Mane, Salah and Firminio we have the best attack in the EPL. Arsenal were toothless and terrible without the ball. Don't understand why Arsene did not leave at the end of last season.
    If your owners are interested, trust me time is no issue. There is a big pay day for air lifting service in Europe on 31st August for a reason. Torres signed for Chelsea at 11:45pm; Berbatov prepared doc in the helicopter flying him from London to Manchester.... just few examples I can recall instantly. For a player like Neymar, it took less than 10 working days despite Barca & Spanish FA's every attempt to block it - those Qataris hiered Neymar as a consultant & paid €222mn upfront as his fee, he (his lawyer) bought himself from Barca & joined PSG as a free agent - those Qataris made a mockery of FFP (on record, they didn't spend a penny in transfer market for Neymar).

    If we get the money, we can buy whatever player is required even on last day, as long as we are ready to pay cash upfront (instead of staggered payment). Rumour is that PC has asked Liverpool to exclude him from CL squad, so that he can join Barca in January & idnt Cup tied - that's disgusting to keep a player who isn't proud to wear the Liverpool shirt. From Sakho experience, I don't want a £150K/week player to train with U19 kids & leave the club at buyer's offer.

    If we can't buy someone, head of snouts should be sacked, for his summer vacation (& pleasure trips in Southampton areas), but that has nothing to do with PC situation.

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    Back in for Keita (not the most reliable source) and a big bid for Lemar (reliable source)

    Cou is gone. Will miss him

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    Naby Keita: Liverpool agree club-record deal for Leipzig midfielder for July 2018

    Liverpool have agreed a club-record deal to sign RB Leipzig midfielder Naby Keita, with the player officially joining on 1 July 2018.

    The Reds have agreed to pay the £48m release clause that will allow him to move next summer, plus an undisclosed premium.

    The 22-year-old had been one of Jurgen Klopp's primary targets this summer, but Leipzig had refused to sell.

    The deal will surpass the £35m paid to Newcastle for Andy Carroll in 2011.

    The German side finished second behind champions Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga last season, allowing them to qualify for the Champions League group stages.

    Last month, the club's owner Dietrich Mateschitz said they had rejected a 75m euro (£66m) bid for Keita and the player "still has a contract and he will fulfil it".

    So far this summer, Liverpool have signed winger Mohamed Salah from Roma for £34m, full-back Andrew Robertson from Hull for £8m and striker Dominic Solanke after his contract at Chelsea expired.

    The Anfield club are also prepared to test Monaco's resolve to keep midfielder Thomas Lemar with an offer of about £60m before Thursday's transfer deadline.

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    Phew eventhough its next year still a welcome signing

    Even though interest is there in lemar

    I'm not sure that is our pressing need an additional winger


    I'd rather sakho be bought back into the squad and klopp makes amends with sakho because i think he is a very good and versatile player ,

    And also hopefully we can get van Djik

    That will strengthen our squad in terms of defence

    Van djik and sakho


    Then the other pressing thing In my view is to get an out and out striker and to me the player that fits the bill and would be an instant hit at Liverpool is no other than Diego costa would love him at Liverpool

    With only saido mane

    We need a an out out striker

    Because Sturridge is injury prone and origi needs to develop yet

    And Danny Ings is not top level

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    Good news on Keita albeit a signing for next year.

    Defence needs strengthening though and we haven't done that this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If your owners are interested, trust me time is no issue. There is a big pay day for air lifting service in Europe on 31st August for a reason. Torres signed for Chelsea at 11:45pm; Berbatov prepared doc in the helicopter flying him from London to Manchester.... just few examples I can recall instantly. For a player like Neymar, it took less than 10 working days despite Barca & Spanish FA's every attempt to block it - those Qataris hiered Neymar as a consultant & paid €222mn upfront as his fee, he (his lawyer) bought himself from Barca & joined PSG as a free agent - those Qataris made a mockery of FFP (on record, they didn't spend a penny in transfer market for Neymar).

    If we get the money, we can buy whatever player is required even on last day, as long as we are ready to pay cash upfront (instead of staggered payment). Rumour is that PC has asked Liverpool to exclude him from CL squad, so that he can join Barca in January & idnt Cup tied - that's disgusting to keep a player who isn't proud to wear the Liverpool shirt. From Sakho experience, I don't want a £150K/week player to train with U19 kids & leave the club at buyer's offer.

    If we can't buy someone, head of snouts should be sacked, for his summer vacation (& pleasure trips in Southampton areas), but that has nothing to do with PC situation.
    As I say wouldn't mind Couts leaving for the right price. Have said all summer that he will not be leaving this summer whilst you insisted he would. Few days to go and he is still here. Never mind what happened with other players in the past like Berba or Torres. Fans will be fuming if he leaves without adequate replacements in place. If we can sign Lemar, Sanches, Draxler and Van Dijk before Thursday then I will be more then happy to see Coutinho leave. Keita is already in place for next season. It is not that I don't want Coutinho to go but for the right price and at the right time. Would have bitten Barca's hand off had they offered £140 million for him when the transfer window opened!.


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    Yanks getting their act together? @MMHS


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    Im not too happy with the Ox signing. Where is he going to fit in? We have plenty of central midfielders but I hope Im proven wrong and he does something special.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    Yanks getting their act together? @MMHS
    I hope so.

    We are the 7th richest club in world - made net profit in last 2 windows, had been out spent by Everton for 3 windows & been bettered by Watford, West Ham, CPalce in terms on net spending in Klopp's era. At one point, they had to take out their cheque book - they did that after ensuring $125mn+ income (CL football), and probably £125mn+ from sale of the best player; still fair enough, if it really happens. I just hope, it's not too late - Kieta won't help this year, while none of the speculations are confirmed year.

    Here Klopp is one outstanding manager, a shed of Sir Alex, who is building something special there in his own style, own way - he needs support. In reality, if we indeed bring Kieta, Vvd, Ox, Lemar & Kovacic in next 2 days (& may be Jan) - couple more signings in July 2018, we are basically a team to fight till late may every year for 2 tournaments.

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    If anyone can fix Ox, it has to be JK.

    I just wonder, like Conte used Moses as wing back in his unique 3-4-3 system, there can be an option of using Ox as the right wing back. Clyne basically isn't good at anything, but Ox can be good in over lapping. 9 goals in 6 years isn't that exciting for an attacking player, but he can be good at carrying ball from back line, while Klopp's back line doesn't defend much in his pressing game.

    Besides, he is serving duel purpose - home grown clause. Klopp has to boot some of Milner, Henderson, Lallana, Inggs, Sturridge- we'll need home grown players in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If anyone can fix Ox, it has to be JK.

    I just wonder, like Conte used Moses as wing back in his unique 3-4-3 system, there can be an option of using Ox as the right wing back. Clyne basically isn't good at anything, but Ox can be good in over lapping. 9 goals in 6 years isn't that exciting for an attacking player, but he can be good at carrying ball from back line, while Klopp's back line doesn't defend much in his pressing game.

    Besides, he is serving duel purpose - home grown clause. Klopp has to boot some of Milner, Henderson, Lallana, Inggs, Sturridge- we'll need home grown players in future.
    Apparently Ox didn't come to Chelsea because he doesn't want to play as a wing-back so I'd assume he's going to be considered a CM first and foremost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Apparently Ox didn't come to Chelsea because he doesn't want to play as a wing-back so I'd assume he's going to be considered a CM first and foremost.
    Just one more hour for FSG, some how, someone run the clock!!!!

    PS: Spanish market closes 24 hours later, on 1st SEP - EPL Clubs can't buy, but can sell ................

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    As I say wouldn't mind Couts leaving for the right price. Have said all summer that he will not be leaving this summer whilst you insisted he would. Few days to go and he is still here. Never mind what happened with other players in the past like Berba or Torres. Fans will be fuming if he leaves without adequate replacements in place. If we can sign Lemar, Sanches, Draxler and Van Dijk before Thursday then I will be more then happy to see Coutinho leave. Keita is already in place for next season. It is not that I don't want Coutinho to go but for the right price and at the right time. Would have bitten Barca's hand off had they offered £140 million for him when the transfer window opened!.

    As they say - dreams must be bigger. I wonder, still you are bluffed by those blood sucker Yanks, stripping Liverpool's assets? Our net spending in 35mn so far, including Ox & Sakho - that's after confirmed $125mn extra earnings from CL. And, the Spanish market closes on Friday - I am expecting last trick from these Rattle Snakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Just one more hour for FSG, some how, someone run the clock!!!!

    PS: Spanish market closes 24 hours later, on 1st SEP - EPL Clubs can't buy, but can sell ................



    Hmm...


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    These yanks need to go

    If they really wanted Lemar they should have bid the 95m Monaco were asking

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    Nobody was available in Jan. Just had to get in the champions league and spend that 200 million war chest. Ah next summer then because apparently nobody is available in Jan anyway. The window just opens for the lulz

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    These yanks need to go

    If they really wanted Lemar they should have bid the 95m Monaco were asking
    80mn was enough, because the player himself was willing to come. There was no official bid - on top of that, Yanks made some media stunt by sending the medics to Paris.

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    Waste of £35m on someone who spent 6 years at Arsenal and has only 9 goals, 14 assists and missed 154 games missed through injury !

    Defence was what needed upgrading and we didn't do it.

    Thankfully the transfer window is now shut, it's descended into a soap opera these days.

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    Not sure why Moreno wasn't sold.... man is a ticking time bomb in defence.

    Agree that defence should have been the priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Not sure why Moreno wasn't sold.... man is a ticking time bomb in defence.

    Agree that defence should have been the priority.
    That's the problem we have got rid of a very good versatile defender in sakho the guy is a beast , and 26million in this climate is a bargain for palace

    Sakho imo is much better than lovren and klavan

    Sakho could have paired with matip

    Gomes is a good prospect can play centre and right back

    And obviously Southampton were playing hardball with van dijk so it was obvious they were not gonna let him go to us so we should have been looking for alternatives in defence and not let sakho leave .

    Oxlaide chamberlain Dont understand this signing to be honest I think he is another overrated English player with ridicolous price of 40 million

    I'd rather we got an out and out striker in costa
    Gone for Lemar , and even got Renato Sanchez from Bayern munich , or get someone like seri or draxler

    But that would have required these yanks to put up the money but they are worse than ebeneezer Scrooge their transfer policy is to sell and loan players to fund to buy other players and then let the best players go for big money , a classic example of a selling club ,
    Also these yanks are tight with the wage structure so players won't have second thoughts leaving when better offer comes along think emre can who is stalling on another contract , alongside the continuous discarding of young players being sold and loaned and getting rid of seasoned players like Lucas to balance the books .

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    Bill Shankly's 105th Birthday today.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    As they say - dreams must be bigger. I wonder, still you are bluffed by those blood sucker Yanks, stripping Liverpool's assets? Our net spending in 35mn so far, including Ox & Sakho - that's after confirmed $125mn extra earnings from CL. And, the Spanish market closes on Friday - I am expecting last trick from these Rattle Snakes.
    If Klopp is happy then so am I. Had he come out and criticised the owners then I would be with him but he seems happy enough. Blaming the owners is the easiest thing to do when fact is Southampton refused to sell Van Dijk no matter what we offered. Making a shopping list is the easiest thing to do, thing to remember is that we can't sign players just for the sake off it. The midfield slots are already full with Lallana, Hendo, Emre, Milner, Wijnal and now Ox as well. Up front and on the wings we have Couts, Salah, Mane, Sturridge, Solanke and Ings so we could not make signings just to put smiles on faces of fans like you who are addicted to criticism. Lets also remember that we have secured Keita for next season as well. We can't have a team of 22 superstars like you seem to want neither can we buy players when they are not for sale. A bid for Lemar was also rejected then we have kept Couts as well like I predicted. For now we just have to live with not having a classy centre back.


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    Liverpool failed to strengthen their shaky defence and even sold Sakho. They might regret selling him right at the end without signing a replacement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    If Klopp is happy then so am I. Had he come out and criticised the owners then I would be with him but he seems happy enough. Blaming the owners is the easiest thing to do when fact is Southampton refused to sell Van Dijk no matter what we offered. Making a shopping list is the easiest thing to do, thing to remember is that we can't sign players just for the sake off it. The midfield slots are already full with Lallana, Hendo, Emre, Milner, Wijnal and now Ox as well. Up front and on the wings we have Couts, Salah, Mane, Sturridge, Solanke and Ings so we could not make signings just to put smiles on faces of fans like you who are addicted to criticism. Lets also remember that we have secured Keita for next season as well. We can't have a team of 22 superstars like you seem to want neither can we buy players when they are not for sale. A bid for Lemar was also rejected then we have kept Couts as well like I predicted. For now we just have to live with not having a classy centre back.

    Klopp is happy, because he is a true professional - as long as he is a FSG employee, he'll never let down his owners. But, I can categorically tell that he isn't happy at all.

    Don't get bluffed by the Kieta deal - it's been covered by both ways. Next year, if we make CL, Kieta'll join LFC and one or 2 of Lallana, Henderson & Can will be sold to balance the wage book - if we fail to make CL, Kieta'll ask for a transfer request .......

    The VVD issue was completely self-made & FSG was never ready to dish out that sort of amount for a 26 years old CB, who won't bring even half in 4 years’ time. If FSG was interested, VVD would have been LFC player easily & I know exactly how. VVD submitted a transfer request, which means, any suitable offer & Southampton would have sold him, rather than risking to ban a player, who has declined to play for them (which eventually will result in much lower price). Now, due to so called tapping incident. LFC can't start the bidding, but they can bid if any other suitor had bidden. Chelsea, Arsenal or MCity would have never bidden for him for obvious reason - since, the player is interested only to move to LFC, any bid from them means LFC just had to match that & VVD would have strengthen their arch rival significantly. Other way was to take the bidding out of LFC's reach, but after so much investments MCity can't bid like 100mn for a CB, while Putin has told Abrahamovic to manage his luxury, so going forward you'll see lots of Drinkwaters in Chelsea, instead of Bellotti or Sanchez or Sandro.

    Now, for VVD, what our Yank snakes had to do is offer couple of players without loan fee (& may be, offer the wage as well) to the likes of Accrington Stanley or Port Vale or Blackpool, in exchange to bid something like 10mn for VVD & the very next day LFC could have offered 50mn, upon which Southampton would have accepted may be for 60mn or at most 65mn - they would have been forced to sit on negotiation table. Barca was at least 10 times more stubborn than Southampton regarding Neymar - and they couldn't keep him for 7 days even with support from Spanish FA. If the player is willing, you simply can't keep him in current world.

    Regarding Coutinho - NEVER, NEVER think that it was those Yanks that kept him. They were bargaining even on the last day for Eu 200mn; but we should thank Standard Chartered & New Balance for this one - Liverpool has one of the top 6 Shirt sponsors (SCB - only Chevrolet pays higher in EPL, while Real, Barca & Bayern for sure & probably MCity has bigger shirt deal) & probably 3rd or 4th highest Kit deal from NB Sports - they won't allow those Yanks to strip the club they have invested so much this way.

    You can't have 25 superstars, but you should have 14 solid starters - we are at least 3 short still; sold Leiva & Sakho without any back up, and have loaned couple of players who were certain for bench.

    Anyway, the window is over & we should support the team & manager for whatever is there. Starting XI isn’t bad, even without 2/3 holes & we can always hope that Mane & Salah (only 2 senior wingers left, now that Origi’s wage is also saved) remains fit for 75 matches (yes, 75 – they’ll start every match for Egypt & Senegal as well, in this WC year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    If Klopp is happy then so am I. Had he come out and criticised the owners then I would be with him but he seems happy enough. Blaming the owners is the easiest thing to do when fact is Southampton refused to sell Van Dijk no matter what we offered. Making a shopping list is the easiest thing to do, thing to remember is that we can't sign players just for the sake off it. The midfield slots are already full with Lallana, Hendo, Emre, Milner, Wijnal and now Ox as well. Up front and on the wings we have Couts, Salah, Mane, Sturridge, Solanke and Ings so we could not make signings just to put smiles on faces of fans like you who are addicted to criticism. Lets also remember that we have secured Keita for next season as well. We can't have a team of 22 superstars like you seem to want neither can we buy players when they are not for sale. A bid for Lemar was also rejected then we have kept Couts as well like I predicted. For now we just have to live with not having a classy centre back.
    Fans have had infinite amounts of patience for a team that's failed to win the League since 1990, failed to win a trophy in five years, won one League Cup in 11 years, and has turned transfer market blunders into an art form.

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    Keita joining us is not based on any conditions like you are suggesting. He will be joining us after we decided to pay a premium on the player, it is another thing that he may be replacing Emre Can who appears reluctant to sign a new contract. As I said before that we are not building a team of 22 world class players that you want neither is it possible to keep them all happy. Like a jigsaw the correct players need to fit in and be comfortable in their position. We are not a Barca or Real who can have world class players on the bench doing nothing. You will not be happy no matter what the owners do, now that Coutinho has not been sold you are just picking other ways to attack them. Problem is you just don't want to give any credit to the owners no matter what they do, they can't win! Had Coutinho departed you would have attacked them, now that he has not you are still having a go at them for no reason. It was for Klopp to negotiate with the Saints over the Van Dijk deal instead earlier on some weeks back he goes and starts chatting to Van behind his club's back. It is this that angered them more them anything else hence their refusal to do business with us. Klopp wants quality over quantity it seems and I totally agree with him here as for to many years we have been buying players who are simply not good enough to wear the red shirt. Ox rejected Chelsea for us where as there are rumours that Lemar said no to Arsenal with his heart set on a move to Anfield as well. Van Dijk is also desperate to join us as well and would have had Klopp used his brain. I can't remember the last time top players rejected other teams for us. We are heading in the right direction for sure.
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    @MMHS

    Keita joining us is not based on any conditions like you are suggesting. He will be joining us after we decided to pay a premium on the player, it is another thing that he may be replacing Emre Can who appears reluctant to sign a new contract. As I said before that we are not building a team of 22 world class players that you want neither is it possible to keep them all happy. Like a jigsaw the correct players need to fit in and be comfortable in their position. We are not a Barca or Real who can have world class players on the bench doing nothing. You will not be happy no matter what the owners do, now that Coutinho has not been sold you are just picking other ways to attack them. Problem is you just don't want to give any credit to the owners no matter what they do, they can't win! Had Coutinho departed you would have attacked them, now that he has not you are still having a go at them for no reason. It was for Klopp to negotiate with the Saints over the Van Dijk deal instead earlier on some weeks back he goes and starts chatting to Van behind his club's back. It is this that angered them more them anything else hence their refusal to do business with us. Klopp wants quality over quantity it seems and I totally agree with him here as for to many years we have been buying players who are simply not good enough to wear the red shirt. Ox rejected Chelsea for us where as there are rumours that Lemar said no to Arsenal with his heart set on a move to Anfield as well. Van Dijk is also desperate to join us as well and would have had Klopp used his brain. I can't remember the last time top players rejected other teams for us. We are heading in the right direction for sure.
    I don't criticize, just for the sake of it; rather you can say, I understand what our owners are doing.

    You see, to be a very good team, one needs good Management, but winning trophies need ambition, which results in exponential expenses. If you notice carefully - two great teams are becoming serial failure in terms of winning trophies - Arsenal & Liverpool (actually 3, till 1992, Aston Villa was higher on the status co of English football - than MU). These 3 great institutions are owned by American owners & they are doing exactly the same thing what a step father does with his wife's other children.

    If you go through my posts on Liverpool from June on wards, you'll be able to connect the dots. Salah was the only purchase by Klopp, done in June - rest everything are just eye wash to keep the fans cool & the deadline day was biggest joke of Liverpool's transfer history,which was well plotted & executed. For last 20 years, we are just couple of players short of a serious title challenge - this year, with CL football, and after 3 windows of net positive, I expected at least minimum support from FSG, which they didn't.

    Even without Salah & Ox, even in case after selling Coutinho - Klopp is capable to reach 70+ points; but from there on, every additional point'll cost you millions. Now, till 70 points is the Management efficiency, after that, it's owners' ambition. Obviously Klopp won't say that with this team, I can win EPL, but you have to judge yourself - man by man, spot by spot, month by month. The golden rule in club Football was, is & will always be - "Money doesn't ensure success, but without adequate spending, you don't even have a shot at it".

    No more negatives from me till 1st January - this is an exciting team going forward & on it's day, it'll crash some barns, but in between you'll see matches like Watford - 3 goals wasn't sufficient for 3 points, and that's the difference between 85 & 75 points at the end.

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    No you don't understand what the owners are doing at all but are attacking them assuming they are responsible for not signing Dijk and other targets. You refuse to acknowledge that if the selling club refuses to do business then we can't do anything, money is not always the decisive factor. Ox would have received more had he joined Chelsea or remained at Arsenal. Management comes from the manager who is responsible for messing with the Saints over the Dijk deal by talking to him behind their back thereby greatly upsetting them. We can not financially compete with City or Chelsea neither have we historically been a cheque book club. Even during our heyday we only had 2 or 3 world class players, we mostly win through tactics and power of will. Klopp had more money available had he wanted to spend it but was adamant on particular signings Dijk, Salah and Keita months back. We have managed 2 of them, I am sure in time VD will be joining us as well.

    It seems that you just want world class signings not realising that they will not be content sitting on the bench. That is not the way to build a great team at all neither is attacking the owners doing anyone any favours. Poor owners, dammed if they do and dammed if they don't!


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    No you don't understand what the owners are doing at all but are attacking them assuming they are responsible for not signing Dijk and other targets. You refuse to acknowledge that if the selling club refuses to do business then we can't do anything, money is not always the decisive factor. Ox would have received more had he joined Chelsea or remained at Arsenal. Management comes from the manager who is responsible for messing with the Saints over the Dijk deal by talking to him behind their back thereby greatly upsetting them. We can not financially compete with City or Chelsea neither have we historically been a cheque book club. Even during our heyday we only had 2 or 3 world class players, we mostly win through tactics and power of will. Klopp had more money available had he wanted to spend it but was adamant on particular signings Dijk, Salah and Keita months back. We have managed 2 of them, I am sure in time VD will be joining us as well.

    It seems that you just want world class signings not realising that they will not be content sitting on the bench. That is not the way to build a great team at all neither is attacking the owners doing anyone any favours. Poor owners, dammed if they do and dammed if they don't!
    Let's see - Klopp reached his first target to take LFC to CL (but it toll him just a week before transfer dead line, hence ....). If he is so stubborn & still owners are happy to keep him with a 4th spot, there is a problem. Emre Can is desperate to leave a club where he is among seniors & under a German manager - gives me a clue that top players actually realize what is our true ambition. Hope I am proved wrong, but FSG has to do lot more to convince me from their business of selling Suarez, Starling & replace with Inggs & Marcovic.

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    ^^also, just take a notice - Clyne didn't feature in any match this season, he isn't listed in CL squad either - means he is out for almost season long injury & this is known by Liverpool's medics long back. Still, we are stuck with 2 kids at Right Back - one debuting this season & other one is a make shift CB (Gomez), who had suffered a year long injury. Third one is Jon Flanagan, who was reserve RB for most mighty Burnley. Now, Klopp can play Milner at RB this year & he'll tell you that it's another new signing for us - bottom line is FSG had saved £15mn & £60K/Week in that trick.

    I am not telling that we should do a Pep like spending £85mn & £200K+/week to bring England & Brazilian international right back for one starting spot, other one for bench, at the luxury of Sheikh Mansoor's fortune; but don't you think that Liverpool will be a laughing stalk, if in CL 2nd round we are tied with Real, Barca, Athletico, Bayern or PSG & Jon Flanagan trying to stop Ronaldo, Messi, Geiezzman, Muller or Neymar at the right flank? Certain status demands certain status co - you shouldn't go to a dinner party at Hilton in your pazamas, when you can afford dinner suits.

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    Flanno would be in some league one team if he wasn't a scouser. That's banter
    Not sure about League 1, but he won't start for any team, unless he goes to Championship; we have mixed Champions' league with Championship - that's Klopp's professional integrity & commitment to his employers. What Liverpool's scouts have done in this window, if it was Jo Mou, he would have got few people sacked.

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    The Can issue and stalemate seems to be over money. Of course I would love for him to stay providing it is for the right reasons. Will have major reservations if money is all that motivates him. Klopp, as I said before wants to sign quality over quantity. To often in the past we have signed players who are simply not good enough getting us nowhere. I would rather we signed two or three world class ones every window instead of seven average ones. Brendan was the reason why Sterling left where as Suarez despite his brilliance was a loose cannon once he started eating people!

    I am not completely happy with the window especially in defence where we are still very vulnerable. Should have bought a centre back and replacement for Clyne as well. Unless you have concrete evidence that the owners stopped Klopp from buying I am giving them the benefit for now. You know we made a serious but unsuccessful bid for Lemar so money was available for sure.

    We are not going to become a Barca or Real just in one transfer window rather it will be a slow and testing process. Having not won anything for so long I will just if we could get some silverware this year. Things could be a lot worse, remember Gillette/Hicks and how things are at Arsenal.


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    The Can issue and stalemate seems to be over money. Of course I would love for him to stay providing it is for the right reasons. Will have major reservations if money is all that motivates him. Klopp, as I said before wants to sign quality over quantity. To often in the past we have signed players who are simply not good enough getting us nowhere. I would rather we signed two or three world class ones every window instead of seven average ones. Brendan was the reason why Sterling left where as Suarez despite his brilliance was a loose cannon once he started eating people!

    I am not completely happy with the window especially in defence where we are still very vulnerable. Should have bought a centre back and replacement for Clyne as well. Unless you have concrete evidence that the owners stopped Klopp from buying I am giving them the benefit for now. You know we made a serious but unsuccessful bid for Lemar so money was available for sure.

    We are not going to become a Barca or Real just in one transfer window rather it will be a slow and testing process. Having not won anything for so long I will just if we could get some silverware this year. Things could be a lot worse, remember Gillette/Hicks and how things are at Arsenal.
    Sterling left because of FSG's wage structure ! Sterling was one of the top young British players then who merited a big pay rise.

    But as usual we messed around with the wage negotiations for months, nothing to do with BR - that was just Sterling's excuse to get out.

    FSG have gotten away with this excuse that "at least they're not Hicks and Gillette" for too long - as if they're the only alternatives. Fact is we've only won ONE League Cup under their tenure, made CL twice and only one decent title challenge. Is this grounds for celebrations ?

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    What I came to know is that, Can wants BP100K/Week & FSG is at 80K/week - which tells me that, it has nothing to do with the money. 20K/week means 1mn over a year - if he leaves next year for free (or in January for say 10mn), FSG will need at least 35mn to replace a German regular International at 24; they are not so dumb; if Can wants, he might get even 125K/week in this market. It must has to be ambition of the Club.

    Also, if we look at the Juve side - look at their midfield;

    Khediria, Pjanic, Cuadrado, Marchiscio, Matuidi, Sturaro, Asamoah . In that midfield, Can will never, never be a confirmed starter ahead of Khediria, Marchiscio & Matuidi for basically 1 spot in a 442 diamond system of Allegri - he'll start both Dyabala & Higuan; with 2 wide midfielders, Can'll fight for his place even to be on that Juve bench. Here at LFC, he can be the Captain - still, he is desperate to leave!!!!!

    Gillet & Hicks were evil & dumb - so, they stripped the club & annoyed the fans, eventually a Manager like Rafa left Liverpool in disgust and they got exposed. These Yanks are not only evil, but extremely cunning - they are playing with the emotion of the fans. The sacked Roy Hodgeson for KD to chill the fans & used KD's image in Liverpool (& sold Torres). Eventually, they sacked KD and appointed a nobody Rogers, who did reasonably well on the shoulders of Suarez - Yanks sold Luis & Rogers got exposed - Yanks sacked their 3rd manager in 4 years. This is not Liverpool style of changing Manager, but now the Yanks have appointed a big fish to their mistake.

    Also, "we are not Real or Barca" - is not true - Liverpool is actually equal or bigger than them!!!!!!! - imagine 25 years Real or Barca not winning domestic league - they won't have been even closer to what Liverpool is now in terms of global popularity. In Spain, Tv rights are sold by club (another system to allow day light robbery by the big 2), therefore these two clubs are high on revenue; but without CL football for 7 of the last 10 seasons, still LFC is among top 10 in gross turn over - these are just few facts that indicates how big LFC is.

    You look it other way - Shirt sponsor, SCB pays one of the highest in world; kit sponsor - New Balance pays more than Nike - these are numbers that shows how big & popular LFC is. These Yanks are pulling this club to middle class selling club - Southampton sells to us, our buyers are a bit bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Sterling left because of FSG's wage structure ! Sterling was one of the top young British players then who merited a big pay rise.

    But as usual we messed around with the wage negotiations for months, nothing to do with BR - that was just Sterling's excuse to get out.

    FSG have gotten away with this excuse that "at least they're not Hicks and Gillette" for too long - as if they're the only alternatives. Fact is we've only won ONE League Cup under their tenure, made CL twice and only one decent title challenge. Is this grounds for celebrations ?
    No he left due to having problems with Brendan often humiliating him. Not saying he was happy with the pay but wasn't the main reason.


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    The debate has lost it's original point. You are now talking of things unrelated to the signings we have made. I still insist that the owners are not responsible for us missing out on VD and other possible targets.


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    The debate has lost it's original point. You are now talking of things unrelated to the signings we have made. I still insist that the owners are not responsible for us missing out on VD and other possible targets.
    Aren't the owners to blame for failing to sign a single centre-back to bolster your weak defence and eventually allowing one of your main CBs (Sakho) to depart on deadline day?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    Aren't the owners to blame for failing to sign a single centre-back to bolster your weak defence and eventually allowing one of your main CBs (Sakho) to depart on deadline day?
    Thing is that Klopp was adamant it had to be VD. The same money was there if he wanted someone else. It was Klopp's decision to let Sakho leave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Thing is that Klopp was adamant it had to be VD. The same money was there if he wanted someone else. It was Klopp's decision to let Sakho leave.
    If that's true, Klopp made a real mess of things in the transfer window.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    If that's true, Klopp made a real mess of things in the transfer window.
    Klopp went behind Saints in talking to VD that greatly upset them. That is why Liverpool were forced to apologise and end all negotiations when Saints threatened to report L'pool.


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    The debate has lost it's original point. You are now talking of things unrelated to the signings we have made. I still insist that the owners are not responsible for us missing out on VD and other possible targets.
    We had a chat with at least 3 another CBs - Kulibaly, Tah, Howedes; and I am sure I am missing few other names. It's not about VVD, rather finding a CB better than Klavan who could give Lovren a competition.

    You are repeating what exactly Klopp is saying - he'll buy only if the player improves then what already is there in squad; in that regard, I can name few other CBs, who are available & can make the squad better. Klopp is telling what he is told to say - if you track back Rogers' days, he was quite decent Manager, not like Klopp, but his team played attracting football, and he was improving. Then the sold Suarez & Starling - to bring Inggs & Markovic; still Rogers said exactly similar words like Klopp, until he left the club.

    This year, FSG's final stunt was super aggressive drive in last 4/5 days for ZERO result, after Klopp made sure that we are $100mn richer, by beating Hoffenheim; but in these days of internet & social media, those stunts won't work; for that Managers like Mou, Pep or Zidane finished their business by July; while we sold one of our best CBs on last day without bringing any back up.

    Yes, initial discussion was from VVD, but he wasn't the only CB available, even if I am to believe the tapping story. Now, let's just take a deep breath & pray that Matip doesn't twist his ankle before January.

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    Also, in another example - Klopp bought Robertson to improve his squad, apparently starting XI - then playing Moreno as LB. I see the dark side of it - Hull City was ready to exchange Stuart with Robertson - so no money spent, rather just exchanging with an extra CM!!!!!!.

    For every action by FSG, we can see it both ways - but result tells that, in 7 years, greatest British club has won one Carling Cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Also, in another example - Klopp bought Robertson to improve his squad, apparently starting XI - then playing Moreno as LB. I see the dark side of it - Hull City was ready to exchange Stuart with Robertson - so no money spent, rather just exchanging with an extra CM!!!!!!.

    For every action by FSG, we can see it both ways - but result tells that, in 7 years, greatest British club has won one Carling Cup
    The previous owners are also greatly to blame for the mess they left behind. Through out this period we had manager's like Roy Hodgson and others who should never have been given the job. In reply to your post 69 if money was available to sign Dijk then why did Klopp not use it to sign someone else once he knew Saints won't sell to us? That is the question I would ask Klopp. Of course there must have been other C backs available so why did Klopp not go after them unless you are suggesting the owners told him "You can only sign Van Dijk" ??

    My stance is that Klopp not the owners are the ones calling the shots when it comes to transfers. The manager should have made far greater efforts in signing a centre back who we need much more then a winger. He was chasing Lemar on the last day instead of trying to find an alternative to Dijk!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    The previous owners are also greatly to blame for the mess they left behind. Through out this period we had manager's like Roy Hodgson and others who should never have been given the job. In reply to your post 69 if money was available to sign Dijk then why did Klopp not use it to sign someone else once he knew Saints won't sell to us? That is the question I would ask Klopp. Of course there must have been other C backs available so why did Klopp not go after them unless you are suggesting the owners told him "You can only sign Van Dijk" ??

    My stance is that Klopp not the owners are the ones calling the shots when it comes to transfers. The manager should have made far greater efforts in signing a centre back who we need much more then a winger. He was chasing Lemar on the last day instead of trying to find an alternative to Dijk!
    My friend - Klopp is paid $350k/week for his lip service. He is the 4th highest paid Manager in world after Pep, Mou & Carlo - now look ate the budget & players that those 3 are handling at MCity, MU & Bayern.

    I have been active in at least 5 LFC Blogs for almost last 20 years or so - Hodgeson & Rogers type of Managers were hired, because they were ready to operate within FSG's business model, as it was a great jump in their career. I can tell you that at least 5 higher profile Managers declined FSG's offer after discussion with them - these talks are not like standard job hiring, rather these Managers are actually a Project Manager, who comes with targets, budget & scope of work.

    I wrote it somewhere long back that FSG has made a mistake this time by appointing Klopp, a supreme German gentleman, who won't do any rowdy thing - the day it crosses his limit, he'll resign without caring for his settlement money - he did that at Dortmund. I can tell one thing & we'll visit here sometimes later - if FSG's business model doesn't change, either we'll see a change in Manager or change in ownership. We can't let these Yanks to pull Liverpool down to Southampton level. I live in Toronto - these are the owners of Boston Red Sox as well and the years they sold Suarez & Starling, they bought David Price from Blue Jays for $213mn US and they were paying Ortriz $40mn/year.
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    Cluelessness all round.

    There's the clueless idiots in the Board who inexplicably allowed the entire window to go by without us strengthening our shambolic defence and the clueless Germans in the dugout who can't coach a defence.

    Don't blame the referee, we were all over the place even before the red card.

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    Thank god I'm watching the cricket.

    Liverpool even during the dark times of the early 1990s, when things went south in the latter days of the Houllier and Benitez era, didn't lose by big scorelines, but when they did those occasions were rare.

    Nowadays it's not surprising when teams put 3, 4 or even 5 past us.

    Wonder how FSG bootlickers will defend this display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Yeh buddy - just finished watching. You know, as I said - if you go to 5 star restaurant in your pajamas, you should get you *** whipped by the bouncers, exactly what MCity has done today for putting 3 Championship defenders to block Jesus, Aguero, Silva, KDB & Sane. Thank your stars that we are not against any of the big boys at CL preliminary round.

    I am sure Klopp (read FSG) has learned their lesson - befittingly just after the window has shut down & now we can carry forward 400mn to next window. The article that you posted, such are written by paid journalists, softening the deluded fans, who'll again believe next window FSG is going to bring Oblak, Varane, Carvajal, Kurzowa, Alaba..... with their 400mn kitty, to fix the back line. I am a bit pessimist, because I have seen what American owners have done to Aston Villa, Arsenal, Fulham ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Yeh buddy - just finished watching. You know, as I said - if you go to 5 star restaurant in your pajamas, you should get you *** whipped by the bouncers, exactly what MCity has done today for putting 3 Championship defenders to block Jesus, Aguero, Silva, KDB & Sane. Thank your stars that we are not against any of the big boys at CL preliminary round.

    I am sure Klopp (read FSG) has learned their lesson - befittingly just after the window has shut down & now we can carry forward 400mn to next window. The article that you posted, such are written by paid journalists, softening the deluded fans, who'll again believe next window FSG is going to bring Oblak, Varane, Carvajal, Kurzowa, Alaba..... with their 400mn kitty, to fix the back line. I am a bit pessimist, because I have seen what American owners have done to Aston Villa, Arsenal, Fulham ........
    Notice these FSG bootlickers on Twitter and all these blogs will be silent after this debacle or they'll play it down as "just one game".

    Already I'm reading excuses that it was City away with 10 men - right, because our defending has been much better with 11 men against teams like Watford and Bournemouth ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Notice these FSG bootlickers on Twitter and all these blogs will be silent after this debacle or they'll play it down as "just one game".

    Already I'm reading excuses that it was City away with 10 men - right, because our defending has been much better with 11 men against teams like Watford and Bournemouth ?
    City spent 300mn on that defense, still it's ... & that goes against Pep - we made money out of our defense by selling Sakho & not bringing one; not sure whom to blame for that. On top sold only DM for just 5mn without bringing anyone & he didn't hand a transfer request, because Lucas was costing 85K/week.

    I am well aware of FSG's strategy - with this forward line, Klopp can blast lower half teams, which'll keep our so call status among elites and at 4th spot - let the other 3 fight for the trophies, that's Moneyball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    City spent 300mn on that defense, still it's ... & that goes against Pep - we made money out of our defense by selling Sakho & not bringing one; not sure whom to blame for that. On top sold only DM for just 5mn without bringing anyone & he didn't hand a transfer request, because Lucas was costing 85K/week.

    I am well aware of FSG's strategy - with this forward line, Klopp can blast lower half teams, which'll keep our so call status among elites and at 4th spot - let the other 3 fight for the trophies, that's Moneyball.
    People will only get the message once we go another 27 years without winning the league.
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