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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Think Shami/Yadav/Bumrah or even BK, one of them would definitely find a spot.

    Also Ashwin/Jaddu would easily come in over Imad Wasim.
    The only bowler that would get in the Indian lineup is Amir.

    India's main issue is #4, #5 and with Dhoni's decline, #6 as well.

    One-off losses like the CT final are always around the corner if the top 3 fails.

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    Lol at all the Indians still crying after champions trophy final. Babar azam could make any team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    The only bowler that would get in the Indian lineup is Amir.

    India's main issue is #4, #5 and with Dhoni's decline, #6 as well.

    One-off losses like the CT final are always around the corner if the top 3 fails.



    Yep one-off losses are always in the 180+ runs losses category...only Indian fans can gloss over such a huge phaintaa just like that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsee View Post
    Yep one-off losses are always in the 180+ runs losses category...only Indian fans can gloss over such a huge phaintaa just like that!
    Pakistan lost by a similar margin in the group stage match but that can be glossed over. Got it.

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    I think Rahul is a great talent and already India's 2nd best test batsman after Pujara but people who are writing about Rahul in odis here had similar views on Rahane.. Atleast be consistent in your views for sometime. I wont be surprised same people saying Rahul is not an odi player and we have better options than him after 5 failures.

    Rahi baat Babar ki to he is a better odi player than Rahul and Rahane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    I think Rahul is a great talent and already India's 2nd best test batsman after Pujara but people who are writing about Rahul in odis here had similar views on Rahane.. Atleast be consistent in your views for sometime. I wont be surprised same people saying Rahul is not an odi player and we have better options than him after 5 failures.

    Rahi baat Babar ki to he is a better odi player than Rahul and Rahane.
    He is surely a much better batsmen than rahane in odis. He is currently better than rahul too who posseses all the talent but has not yet found out the best way he should play in odis.
    I think it would be difficult for babar to fit in indian squad for simple reason that he is not good enough to replace any one from top 3 and in modern day game no. 4 should be someone who can play role of accumulator and a decent hitter depending on situation. While babar is great accumulator i feel power hitting is the area where rahul beats hum.
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    Yes he would - he's a very good player and any team would have him. However, he's very young and in a few years he'll either be a world class batsman or a player thought "could've been".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpeningBatsman View Post
    That's why stats are useless unless it's a big sample. K L Rahul has had 2 extreme half in his career so far. Initially he was a timid batsman scoring singles and doubles and not a big hitter. He was considered a test prospect only. However after the IPL 2 years back he transformed himself to an extent that the older Rahul with low strike rate is unrecognizable.

    He scored a 50 b all 100 agaisnt WI in a t20 so the hitting potential is there. Also he can score the big runs as seen in test cricket.(ranked 10).

    Combine both and that's why he is considered a special prospect, although he has been tentative in his ODI career so far.
    Another failure for "special prospect."

    Brilliant in tests but nothing to merit a spot over Azam in ODIs.
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    Who is Babar Azam? Even Root, Smith, and De Kock will not make it to Indian team. Such strong it is in the shorter formats with promising young batsmen like Yuvraj and Dhoni.

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    Nope. Only player who can make into current Indian team is Hasan Ali. We love our trundlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Pakistan lost by a similar margin in the group stage match but that can be glossed over. Got it.


    No one was counting on Pak to win, we were rated dead last, made it to CT on basis of luck etc. and your team was the supposed 'IT' team; so a rated number 1 team defating the lowest rated team badly is expected. What is hard to grasp or gloss over is that despite such a dynamic hitting by Pandya, the phainta was still of monumentally epic proportions...sit down, drink a glass of water, and devise a plan to gloss over these facts!


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Who is Babar Azam? Even Root, Smith, and De Kock will not make it to Indian team. Such strong it is in the shorter formats with promising young batsmen like Yuvraj and Dhoni.
    Truth hurts. BTW Root,Smith and De Kock would easily make into Indian team. Even if there is no place, place would be ma
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    Lets face it, he is poor man's KOHLI.

    He would make it to Indian team when Kohli is rested and then he would get in #3.
    Other than that, at best he would be #12th man carrying drinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    The only bowler that would get in the Indian lineup is Amir.

    India's main issue is #4, #5 and with Dhoni's decline, #6 as well.

    One-off losses like the CT final are always around the corner if the top 3 fails.
    To summarize, if the top 6 wickets fall cheaply-ish a team wont score much. Terrific analysis.
    Would have helped though if the top notch bowling hadn't let modern ODI legends like Azhar Ali
    and Mohammed Hafeez pile up 338.

    Bhuvi, who is not even India's best pacer, was rather lucky to get into the CC XI; once Hazlewood
    exited, the three best pacers on display in the last rounds were Hasan, Junaid and Amir, in that
    order, possibly followed by Rumman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Pakistan lost by a similar margin in the group stage match but that can be glossed over. Got it.
    Yes, victory heals the wounds of defeat. Pity India didn't end with a victory.

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    After reading all the posts on PP about the Indian team I am amazed that India manages to win any cricket games at all. After all, their batsmen are crap, the spinners are below average and the less said about their trundlers the better.
    Everybody knows that any Pakistani bowler has more talent in his little finger than all the Indian bowlers put together and can single-handedly blow away all those crap Indian batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anindo View Post
    After reading all the posts on PP about the Indian team I am amazed that India manages to win any cricket games at all. After all, their batsmen are crap, the spinners are below average and the less said about their trundlers the better.
    Everybody knows that any Pakistani bowler has more talent in his little finger than all the Indian bowlers put together and can single-handedly blow away all those crap Indian batsmen.
    Pretty much. Get the minnow bashing out the way at home then not win a single game on tour in OZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by anindo View Post
    After reading all the posts on PP about the Indian team I am amazed that India manages to win any cricket games at all. After all, their batsmen are crap, the spinners are below average and the less said about their trundlers the better.
    Everybody knows that any Pakistani bowler has more talent in his little finger than all the Indian bowlers put together and can single-handedly blow away all those crap Indian batsmen.
    1) 338 vs. 158 All Out

    2) No one said Indian batsmen are crap. But Azam would have a spot in the Indian XI.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Pretty much. Get the minnow bashing out the way at home then not win a single game on tour in OZ
    Yeah, unlike the super - talented best touring team of Asia who have been thrashing the Aussies in Australia for the last twenty years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    1) 338 vs. 158 All Out

    2) No one said Indian batsmen are crap. But Azam would have a spot in the Indian XI.
    2) No. No. No. Repeating Babar would make into Indian team 11 would not make it truth.
    In fact the only player who can make into Indian team in ODI is Amir. With has an being in India A team for the time being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talented View Post
    2) No. No. No. Repeating Babar would make into Indian team 11 would not make it truth.
    In fact the only player who can make into Indian team in ODI is Amir. With has an being in India A team for the time being.
    On a second thought since Amir was a fixer once, so he wouldn't make into India team.

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    Indian cricket is finished, specially batting is at an all time low, why Babar, 2-4 more wil make into this current Indian team

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    Quote Originally Posted by joly View Post
    Indian cricket is finished, specially batting is at an all time low, why Babar, 2-4 more wil make into this current Indian team
    And Sun rises from the west

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    Quote Originally Posted by joly View Post
    Indian cricket is finished, specially batting is at an all time low, why Babar, 2-4 more wil make into this current Indian team
    We are struggling to find batting talent. Indian cricket is truly finished. Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Pandey, Pandya, dhoni, Pujara, Rahane, Vijay, Ashwin etc are very very poor. What will India do now? hehe. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talented View Post
    2) No. No. No. Repeating Babar would make into Indian team 11 would not make it truth.
    In fact the only player who can make into Indian team in ODI is Amir. With has an being in India A team for the time being.
    Why?

    KL Rahul is averaging 8.60 against opponents other than Zimbabwe.

    Are you going to leave out Azam who is averaging 50+ for that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Talented View Post
    We are struggling to find batting talent. Indian cricket is truly finished. Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Pandey, Pandya, dhoni, Pujara, Rahane, Vijay, Ashwin etc are very very poor. What will India do now? hehe. ;)
    All of those names led to 158 all out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    All of those names led to 158 all out.
    All those names also scored 319 against same bowling line-up in the same tournament.And the same bowling line-up has conceded 444 which is more than what hapless Indian bowlers ever did in an ODI. Does that make worse than our trundlers. I don't think so.

    And one thing these big names specialize is chasing big totals ( thanks to our wonderful bowlers) . How do you think Babar will fare on those situations when you guys struggle to chase anything above 250? After the retirement of Inzamam in 2007, who was one of your best finishers, you have chased a target above 300 only four times in 10 years which India does more in a single season.

    But those are not the things which would prevent Babar earning a position in Indian team. It is his pathetic fielding and overall fitness. There is already a thread in Pakpassion itself about that as below:

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...zam-s-fielding

    Even the much-maligned Jadhav at 32 would field better than Babar Azam who is just 23. And have you seen how our top batsman run between wickets and compared that against yours? There lies the reason why you guys struggle chasing because your boys still run in the 90's mode. With such fielding and running between wickets,Babar wont even get into an Challenger cup team let alone Indian senior team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    The only bowler that would get in the Indian lineup is Amir.

    India's main issue is #4, #5 and with Dhoni's decline, #6 as well.

    One-off losses like the CT final are always around the corner if the top 3 fails.
    LOL what a joke take your Indian tinted glasses off please you're embarrassing yourself.

    You're telling me the bowler of the CT tournament isn't good enough to make the India team? Explain that one - who in India's side is better than Hasan Ali in getting wickets after wickets in the middle overs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    Nope. Only player who can make into current Indian team is Hasan Ali. We love our trundlers.
    Hasan Ali isn't a trundler bowls 140+ and has clocked over 145+ numerous times. I've seen him clock 146 and 148 earlier this year before the CT.

    Amir would walk into India's team as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talented View Post
    2) No. No. No. Repeating Babar would make into Indian team 11 would not make it truth.
    In fact the only player who can make into Indian team in ODI is Amir. With has an being in India A team for the time being.
    Hasan Ali was man of the tournament and leading wicket taker in the CT. So what on earth are you smoking?

    Also Fakher Zaman is better than Rohit, can build an innings and play under pressure in the big stage. Rohit is a serial choker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    Hasan Ali isn't a trundler bowls 140+ and has clocked over 145+ numerous times. I've seen him clock 146 and 148 earlier this year before the CT.

    Amir would walk into India's team as well.
    Most of Pakistani fast bowlers will walk into our team as they are miles better than ours may be barring Shami. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Most of Pakistani fast bowlers will walk into our team as they are miles better than ours may be barring Shami. .
    Agreed - Shami is better than Junaid.

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    Amir, Babar, Hassan and arguably Junaid and Shadab will all get into the Indian team.

    1) Dhawan
    2) Rahul/Rohit
    3) Kohli
    4) Babar
    5) Dhoni
    6) Yuvraj
    7) Pandya/Jadeja
    8) Shadab/Ashwin
    9) Amir
    10) Hassan
    11) Junaid/Shami


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Amir, Babar, Hassan and arguably Junaid and Shadab will all get into the Indian team.

    1) Dhawan
    2) Rahul/Rohit
    3) Kohli
    4) Babar
    5) Dhoni
    6) Yuvraj
    7) Pandya/Jadeja
    8) Shadab/Ashwin
    9) Amir
    10) Hassan
    11) Junaid/Shami
    Azhar over Rahul, Sarfraz over Dhoni, Malik/Hafeez over Yuvraj, Shadab over Ashwin and Imad over Jadeja.

    In fact, only Indian players that get into Pakistan's are Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli and Shami. Maybe Pandya over Imad depending on pitches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Azhar over Rahul, Sarfraz over Dhoni, Malik/Hafeez over Yuvraj, Shadab over Ashwin and Imad over Jadeja.

    In fact, only Indian players that get into Pakistan's are Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli and Shami. Maybe Pandya over Imad depending on pitches.
    Don't be a blind fan boy
    in LOI:
    1) Dhawan
    2) Rohit
    3) Kohli
    4) Babar
    5) Dhoni
    6) Pandya
    7) Imad
    8) Shadab
    9) Amir
    10) Hasan
    11) Shami

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Don't be a blind fan boy
    in LOI:
    1) Dhawan
    2) Rohit
    3) Kohli
    4) Babar
    5) Dhoni
    6) Pandya
    7) Imad
    8) Shadab
    9) Amir
    10) Hasan
    11) Shami
    I'm not. Otherwise I'd just post Pakistan's XI with Kohli as the lone Indian.

    Instead I'm going with:

    Rohit
    Dhawan
    Kohli
    Malik
    Hafeez
    Sarfraz*+
    Imad/Pandya
    Shadab
    Amir
    Hasan
    Shami

    4/5 Indians with 6/7 Pakistanis. I think that's quite fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Azhar over Rahul, Sarfraz over Dhoni, Malik/Hafeez over Yuvraj, Shadab over Ashwin and Imad over Jadeja.

    In fact, only Indian players that get into Pakistan's are Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli and Shami. Maybe Pandya over Imad depending on pitches.
    Dude, how can you get batsmen from a team who struggle to chase anything above 250 to Indian ODI team who chase 300s like in a sleep?And that too with their pathetic fielding and running between wickets. And LOL at Sarfaraz replacing Dhoni. It is a fact that Dhoni is not in his prime but still miles better than Sarfaraz in both keeping and batting.And Jadeja is the best fielder in our team and worth his weight in gold in LOIs. Your fast bowlers would walk into our team anytime though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Don't be a blind fan boy
    in LOI:
    1) Dhawan
    2) Rohit
    3) Kohli
    4) Babar
    5) Dhoni
    6) Pandya
    7) Imad
    8) Shadab
    9) Amir
    10) Hasan
    11) Shami
    Id go with this

    1) R Sharma
    2) S Dhawan
    3) V Kohli
    4) KL Rahul
    5) M Pandey
    6) MS Dhoni
    7) H Pandya
    8) R Jadeja
    9) M Shami
    10) B Kumar
    11) J Bumrah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    All those names also scored 319 against same bowling line-up in the same tournament.And the same bowling line-up has conceded 444 which is more than what hapless Indian bowlers ever did in an ODI. Does that make worse than our trundlers. I don't think so.

    And one thing these big names specialize is chasing big totals ( thanks to our wonderful bowlers) . How do you think Babar will fare on those situations when you guys struggle to chase anything above 250? After the retirement of Inzamam in 2007, who was one of your best finishers, you have chased a target above 300 only four times in 10 years which India does more in a single season.

    But those are not the things which would prevent Babar earning a position in Indian team. It is his pathetic fielding and overall fitness. There is already a thread in Pakpassion itself about that as below:

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...zam-s-fielding

    Even the much-maligned Jadhav at 32 would field better than Babar Azam who is just 23. And have you seen how our top batsman run between wickets and compared that against yours? There lies the reason why you guys struggle chasing because your boys still run in the 90's mode. With such fielding and running between wickets,Babar wont even get into an Challenger cup team let alone Indian senior team.
    Your lads couldn't make it count when it mattered most.

    158 all out.

    What's the point of running fast when the other team is hoisting the trophy?


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    So apparently Dhoni is still miles ahead of Sarfraz.

    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Your lads couldn't make it count when it mattered most.

    158 all out.

    What's the point of running fast when the other team is hoisting the trophy?
    yeah, just like 2007 and 2011 and countless worldcup matches.

    We both know one swallow doesn't make the summer and until and unless Pakistanis get their fielding and running between wickets upto world standards, you still gonna lose many LOI matches against us.
    you can see that in hockey already. You guys to own us in hockey but as soon as we improved our fitness and speed up to International standards, we started to thrash you guys.You still win against us , like that humiliating loss in champions trophy semifinal in India itself, but those were few and far in between. We recently thrashed your team 7-1 and 6-1 in the same tournament with days apart and you could see the difference in speed and strength between Indians and Pakistanis in those two matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    So apparently Dhoni is still miles ahead of Sarfraz.

    LOL
    yes, he is.Both in keeping and batting. Call me back when he is able to successfully chase scores over 250 consistently like Dhoni did his entire career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    yes, he is.Both in keeping and batting. Call me back when he is able to successfully chase scores over 250 consistently like Dhoni did his entire career.
    Sarfraz is better right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Sarfraz is better right now.
    How? Didnt he struggle to chase a scanty total against Lankans in CT? If not for the butter-fingers of their fielders, you would have lost that match.Compare to what Dhoni did in recent SL series.Especially when Dhananjaya was running riot amongst Indian top order consuming even the likes of Kohli.He brought calm and finished off the job with Bhuvneshwar.
    And his hitting power is still better than Sarfaraz and one of the fittest guys in world cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    yeah, just like 2007 and 2011 and countless worldcup matches.

    We both know one swallow doesn't make the summer and until and unless Pakistanis get their fielding and running between wickets upto world standards, you still gonna lose many LOI matches against us.
    you can see that in hockey already. You guys to own us in hockey but as soon as we improved our fitness and speed up to International standards, we started to thrash you guys.You still win against us , like that humiliating loss in champions trophy semifinal in India itself, but those were few and far in between. We recently thrashed your team 7-1 and 6-1 in the same tournament with days apart and you could see the difference in speed and strength between Indians and Pakistanis in those two matches.


    Hockey?

    What next kabaddi or ludo championships?

    Mentioning matches from a decade ago to cover up a recent drubbing seems like sour grapes to me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post


    Hockey?

    What next kabaddi or ludo championships?

    Mentioning matches from a decade ago to cover up a recent drubbing seems like sour grapes to me.

    We have been beating you so badly in recent times, I kind of lost of track of them.Sorry for that.2015 worldcup wasnt a decade away and the league match of CT was also not far away.And no sour grapes on the CT win.You guys played well that day and deserved the trophy.

    Btw Babar Azam still won't get into our ODI team which was our original topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talented View Post
    2) No. No. No. Repeating Babar would make into Indian team 11 would not make it truth.
    In fact the only player who can make into Indian team in ODI is Amir. With has an being in India A team for the time being.
    So the likes of BK and Yadav make it into the team ahead of Hasan... ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    We have been beating you so badly in recent times, I kind of lost of track of them.Sorry for that.2015 worldcup wasnt a decade away and the league match of CT was also not far away.And no sour grapes on the CT win.You guys played well that day and deserved the trophy.

    Btw Babar Azam still won't get into our ODI team which was our original topic.
    Even in the group match, India's batting strength wasn't displayed.

    It was the same three guys doing most of the work -- Sharma, Dhawan, and Kohli.

    I don't think anyone has claimed Azam would replace one of these three. He would take that #4 spot right behind them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Even in the group match, India's batting strength wasn't displayed.

    It was the same three guys doing most of the work -- Sharma, Dhawan, and Kohli.

    I don't think anyone has claimed Azam would replace one of these three. He would take that #4 spot right behind them.
    Did you forget Yuvraj Singh who smoked 53 runs from 32 balls? Can Babar do that? He is an accumulator at best and as, I said earlier, is pretty poor while chasing.Dude, we got Rahane in the similar mold who is a gun fielder too,but kept away from our team as he lacks a third gear.Add Azam's atrocious fielding to the mix, no way he is getting entry into an Indian ODI team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Did you forget Yuvraj Singh who smoked 53 runs from 32 balls? Can Babar do that? He is an accumulator at best and as, I said earlier, is pretty poor while chasing.Dude, we got Rahane in the similar mold who is a gun fielder too,but kept away from our team as he lacks a third gear.Add Azam's atrocious fielding to the mix, no way he is getting entry into an Indian ODI team.
    On what basis have you come to the conclusion that Babar is a poor chaser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    On what basis have you come to the conclusion that Babar is a poor chaser?
    Has he successfully chased anything over 300? Struggled against India and SL (that too a meager 235) in CT while chasing.Due to our great trundlers, we would be chasing a lot of 275+ scores and we need folks who could chase that. That means blokes who could run hard and hit hard. Babar fails in both of these according to Indian standards.And again he fields pretty poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Did you forget Yuvraj Singh who smoked 53 runs from 32 balls? Can Babar do that? He is an accumulator at best and as, I said earlier, is pretty poor while chasing.Dude, we got Rahane in the similar mold who is a gun fielder too,but kept away from our team as he lacks a third gear.Add Azam's atrocious fielding to the mix, no way he is getting entry into an Indian ODI team.
    Yuvraj isn't in the squad now.

    Rahane isn't as good as Azam in this format. Averages 34 (ODIs) and 37 (List A).

    The fielding is something you pick on when two batsmen are at the same level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Has he successfully chased anything over 300? Struggled against India and SL (that too a meager 235) in CT while chasing.Due to our great trundlers, we would be chasing a lot of 275+ scores and we need folks who could chase that. That means blokes who could run hard and hit hard. Babar fails in both of these according to Indian standards.And again he fields pretty poorly.
    Azam averages 49.40 in winning chases.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Yuvraj isn't in the squad now.

    Rahane isn't as good as Azam in this format. Averages 34 (ODIs) and 37 (List A).

    The fielding is something you pick on when two batsmen are at the same level.
    That is when you are decent.Not at the atrocious level Babar Azam is. Indian ODI team has a set standard for fielding,fitness and running between wickets especially for top 6 batsmen.That is exactly why Yuvraj and Raina is no more in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Has he successfully chased anything over 300? Struggled against India and SL (that too a meager 235) in CT while chasing.Due to our great trundlers, we would be chasing a lot of 275+ scores and we need folks who could chase that. That means blokes who could run hard and hit hard. Babar fails in both of these according to Indian standards.And again he fields pretty poorly.
    So the inability to single-handedly chase large totals equates to being a poor chaser?

    As a poster above pointed out, it is not the case that he goes missing in chases.

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    Nope I don't think so he is an accumulator he has very limited shots in his armoury.Though he can take kedar's place but he bats at 6 so Babar will be of no use. Manish pandey is better hitter than Babar!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Azam averages 49.40 in winning chases.
    How many 275+ scores amongst them? I am not asking 300 plus because you have been able to do that only four times in the last 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    So the inability to single-handedly chase large totals equates to being a poor chaser?

    As a poster above pointed out, it is not the case that he goes missing in chases.
    He goes missing when the total is above 275 or tuk-tuks to a selfish score as against Australia.We don't have your bowling and hence our #4 should be able to chase 275 plus scores regularly which was what Yuvraj was doing. Babar neither have the shots nor have the running for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    That is when you are decent.Not at the atrocious level Babar Azam is. Indian ODI team has a set standard for fielding,fitness and running between wickets especially for top 6 batsmen.That is exactly why Yuvraj and Raina is no more in the team.
    But chief selector MSK Prasad said Pakistan is ahead of India in fielding.

    Today the entire world has got those standards. Including Pakistan [each team] has got certain parameters. Though we are slow, I am sure we will definitely catch up.
    He thinks you need to "catch up."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    How many 275+ scores amongst them? I am not asking 300 plus because you have been able to do that only four times in the last 10 years.
    He's only had 6 chances to chase 300+.

    51 vs ENG
    9 vs ENG
    31 vs ENG (Pakistan won)
    31 vs AUS
    100 vs AUS
    8 vs IND

    That's an average of 38.

    Do you know what Kohli averaged in his first six 300+ chases? 30.

    Guess you'd drop him too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Why?

    KL Rahul is averaging 8.60 against opponents other than Zimbabwe.

    Are you going to leave out Azam who is averaging 50+ for that?
    Barely played much. And now he is asked to be in middle order. So should take some time to get going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    So the likes of BK and Yadav make it into the team ahead of Hasan... ok.
    I did say he will make into A team for time being.That does mean he will get into Indian team eventually. Most players in A team are strong contenders to get into Indian x11. This is how it works now. Hasan is still new. A new player does not find a place in Indian team straightaway unless he is really special talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    So the likes of BK and Yadav make it into the team ahead of Hasan... ok.
    Hassan is amazing talent. Would love to have someone like Hassan in our team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talented View Post
    I did say he will make into A team for time being.That does mean he will get into Indian team eventually. Most players in A team are strong contenders to get into Indian x11. This is how it works now. Hasan is still new. A new player does not find a place in Indian team straightaway unless he is really special talent.
    Hassan is indeed special talent. Havent seen anyone reverse swing in ODIs lately not with two new ball rule.

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    Idk what you are on about. Babar is a pretty good fielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talented View Post
    Barely played much. And now he is asked to be in middle order. So should take some time to get going.
    Nothing wrong with that and I want to clarify my position. I have nothing against KL Rahul. He's a sublime talent.

    BUT, he's not good enough (in ODIs) to earn a spot over Babar.

    Whether that's a lack of chances, wrong batting position, or a combination of both is besides the point. Those are variables that remain out of our control.

    Based on what's transpired so far, Babar is quite a bit ahead of him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Idk what you are on about. Babar is a pretty good fielder.
    No need to believe me, there is already a thread opened by your own countrymen in this forum describing his 'athletic' abilities.
    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...zam-s-fielding

    Quoting Pakpassion's own Saj's words down here:

    It saddens me to see a young man field so poorly.

    This is a young man who should be running around the field with lots of enthusiasm and athleticism but from what I have seen in the One-Day series against England is misfield after misfield from him.

    Basic fielding skills seem to be lacking which is shocking.
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    Yes he would. Even Rahane gets into the Indian ODI team


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahson8 View Post
    Yes he would. Even Rahane gets into the Indian ODI team
    Rahane is not a regular member of Indian team in odis. Dhawan and KL Rahul are much better than Rahane and should be given preference over TTF Rahane

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    We are talking about a team in witch Rahane has played 80 ODI's overs last 3-4 years.

    Incredible but Yuvraj was still playing 2 months ago. Dhoni was batting at 4 like rubbish for almost 3-4 years. Jadhav is playing. KL Rahul is given chances when he is yet to have a single good innings.

    And on the other hand we are talking about Babar Azam who is having one of the best start we can imagine in an ODI career.
    Scoring runs against Starc, Cummins and Halzewood in Australia is not easy. Ask Amla, Kohli...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    No need to believe me, there is already a thread opened by your own countrymen in this forum describing his 'athletic' abilities.
    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...zam-s-fielding

    Quoting Pakpassion's own Saj's words down here:
    Just because they are my countrymen, doesn't mean they are of the correct opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul View Post
    Similar comparisons were made when Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad were new.

    Umar Akmal v Virat Kohli: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...-v-Virat-Kohli

    Ahmed Shehzad v Sachin Tendulkar: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ge-differences

    These average comparisons are meaningless and I can guarantee you that Babar will go down the same route as other "talented" Pakistani batsmen.

    It is hilarious to go through those links and read how some otherwise respected posters used statistics of Umar and Virat to predict how Umar would do exponentially better than Kohli and how Kohli would become inconsequential as time wore on.

    Abdul, thanks for digging out these links, btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbronze View Post
    It is hilarious to go through those links and read how some otherwise respected posters used statistics of Umar and Virat to predict how Umar would do exponentially better than Kohli and how Kohli would become inconsequential as time wore on.

    Abdul, thanks for digging out these links, btw
    Yeah.

    I wanna see some of the people on this thread down the road in a few years time, hopefully they'll still be around.


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    Brilliant innings by Babar Azam yesterday. Wonder how this has changed the opinions of some posters on this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    Brilliant innings by Babar Azam yesterday. Wonder how this has changed the opinions of some posters on this thread
    Why would one inning in a glorified exhibition t20 match change anyone's opinion?

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    No way into the test team. ODI, probably worth giving a few chances as the Indian side has a few inexperienced youngsters yet to cement their places. He looks promising for sure, hopefully he is not Umar Akmal 2.0.

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    Who cares if he would or not - why does everything on here must descend into a Pakistan vs India thing ?

    He's performing for the Pakistan team, let's analyse that instead of these pointless hypotheticals that just gets people riled up.

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    Babar Azam will replace Kohli in the Indian team. I hope that makes the fans here feel good.

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    Such an amazing batting line up India has.
    Greats like Rahane, Jadhav and Manish pandey playing and other greats like KL Rahul not playing.

    Babar Azam will struggle to play for India A...

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    this thread has been entertaining to say the least

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