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    England saved by the rain
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    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Theresa May on Test Match Special.

    Can't seem to catch a break, goes to Lord's - not only a wicket goes down but starts raining

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    I was just thinking the other day how can anyone complain about Moeen Ali at no.8 when Bairstow bats at no.7 ! we tend to overlook that


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Teresa may is a big cricket and boycott fan

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    Play finally resumes after a lengthy rain delay.

    Stokes nicks one but Holder didn't have a third slip !

    Roach now bowls a probing over.

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    What was the point in selecting Bishoo? Wasted another spot again. Really stupid from Windies.


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    Roooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaccchh!!!!! Bowling good pace this test.

    Nice reading of the game from Warne.


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    Windies needed that. Was threatening to be a dangerous partnership, they need to wrap England up for less than 175-180.

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    Stokes survives. Damn it Gabriel.


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    Just knew it was going to be a no-ball. Gabriel pushes the line way too often.

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    Gets him twice the same way.


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    Bowls him out again, no issues this time.

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    Thought this series will be a yawnfest but contest seems compelling now

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    Fantastic from Gabriel to get Stokes for the 2nd time in 3 balls.
    Thank god it wasnt a no ball the 2nd time
    Last edited by Amirforpresident; 8th September 2017 at 15:39.

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    Angle it in Roach. With that movement, Ali's wicket is there for the taking.


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    Some 50 odd lead will be huge for england

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    Easy work. Five for Roach.


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    Well deserved 5er for Kemar Roach.

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    Beauty By Gabriel.. Peach of a delivery...

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    ROACH showing his class... He deserved it most


    SIR DONALD BRADMAN ------SORRY, BUT NO ONE LIKE HIM

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    which channel is broadcasting this test in Pakistan?

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    I think England will still edge away with a win. And Stokes will get man of the match. It seems like its his game.

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    Ideal situation for WI is probably Pom tail bat for couple of hours & score at 1.7 rate - that's 170 all out & the day ends there😜

    If anything this series can prove - it's the scale of incompetence & corruption of WICB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Ideal situation for WI is probably Pom tail bat for couple of hours & score at 1.7 rate - that's 170 all out & the day ends there��

    If anything this series can prove - it's the scale of incompetence & corruption of WICB.
    Show that Caribbean dustbowls are not playing to West Indies' strengths. Their players look better on pitches with some pace and bounce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Show that Caribbean dustbowls are not playing to West Indies' strengths. Their players look better on pitches with some pace and bounce.
    Where there is no help with pitches the WI fast bowlers tears down in matter of 10-20 overs

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    Dowrich drops a sitter. Come on man, how can you be dropping those ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Show that Caribbean dustbowls are not playing to West Indies' strengths. Their players look better on pitches with some pace and bounce.
    Similar for PAK as well - that PAK -WI both series was played like who can be more misfit.

    Had WI dropped this K Hope guy for Hetmayer & Bishu for Joshep, I dare to say probably they could have managed a tiny 1st innings lead.

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    Noballs, catches being dropped at will by west indies

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    England saved by the rain
    @Robert

    I was expecting a ton from Stokes there, feel a bit let down.

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    I suggest before going to AUS, Poms should light few candles at St. Paul Cathedral.

    CA as well, otherwise unless it rains for long, they'll lose lots of revenue from those scheduled 25 days of Ashes.

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    Come on Roly, come on Draco.

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    Declare now Root!

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    @MMHS @Robert I checked the score on the train and England had a very slim lead with 2 wickets left and now it's 70 now !!!!! wow, very valuable runs


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Congrats to Roach on a fantastic 5fer ! will need to check the highlights, talk nah @ the haters in particular CHIEF Always been a big fan of the lad, he's been through a fair amount and the pace may be down a bit but his skill is permanent


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    Spirited effort from Roach. What a marathon spell.


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    Useful runs for England, frustrating for West Indies not to have knocked over that 11th wicket partnership sooner.

    Only used 3 bowlers in the end, Bishoo nor Chase got a single over

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    194 is a decent effort in these conditions, hopefully can get some wickets in the evening session.

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    Top slogging Draco.

    Right, #500 for Jimmy then another Michelle for Stokes.
    Last edited by Robert; 8th September 2017 at 16:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Useful runs for England, frustrating for West Indies not to have knocked over that 11th wicket partnership sooner.

    Only used 3 bowlers in the end, Bishoo nor Chase got a single over
    *10th wicket partnership that is.

    Met Office forecast looks clear and sunny tomorrow so Windies will have better batting conditions than in their 1st inns.

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    Ohhh Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Anderson


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Congrats to Jimmy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I suggest before going to AUS, Poms should light few candles at St. Paul Cathedral.

    CA as well, otherwise unless it rains for long, they'll lose lots of revenue from those scheduled 25 days of Ashes.
    I think Australia will win the ashes aswell, maybe 3-1. You seem convinced it will be 4/5-0, why is that?

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    Bowled him! 500th


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Ideal situation for WI is probably Pom tail bat for couple of hours & score at 1.7 rate - that's 170 all out & the day ends there��

    If anything this series can prove - it's the scale of incompetence & corruption of WICB.
    Agreed. This team is talanted.

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    I lived through all his trials and tribulations to the point where he finally figured things out around 2007 which resulted in that devastating spell vs NZ, remember it like it was yesterday and 10 years later I see him get his 500th live ! Oh Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Anderson. England's GOAT.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    500th wicket for Jimmy Anderson.

    Crazy how long he's been bowling for. Still remember him during the 2003 WC when he took that 4-fer against us under the lights at Cape Town.

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    Stokes with a Chokes in the slips


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Come on WI's stop mucking about for gods sake mark your damn off stump !


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    The weather should be better tomorrow.If West Indies can see off the rest of today without much more damage, I can see them getting a challenging score for England.

    Come on West Indies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    I think Australia will win the ashes aswell, maybe 3-1. You seem convinced it will be 4/5-0, why is that?
    I don't see how ENG is going to get 20 wickets in AUS - not much in spin & their 3 pacers were bang average in their 20s when it's sunny & hard, scratchy AUS wicket; at this age I just don't see Jimmy & Barbi giving 45 overs/day flat out; rest are just not good enough.

    Batting lower half is good, but they won't bail out 50/4 against AUS every time. Againt Kookaburra, unless your top 4 carries to 35th over at least, by 2nd ball tail won't wgah. And, these 3 pacers can reverse it at pace. Finally, this is the worst catching unit from ENG in my memory - going to AUS, where they'll need to take 12-15 catches to take 20 wickets, without dropping ore than 3 in total.

    Calculating everything, I don't see how Poms are going to save 5-0, if every match gives close to 450 overs. Just check what Aussies did to WI at home & what Poms are doing - I understand, this is a bit different WI team; but this Pom scrapped 1-1 in WI; AUS won 2-0 in total 5 days work.

    5-0 for me, if the Aussie pacers are fit, and it doesn't rain much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    @MMHS @Robert I checked the score on the train and England had a very slim lead with 2 wickets left and now it's 70 now !!!!! wow, very valuable runs
    But, it might be good in other way - WI top order is batting under Sun now. It could have been 50/5 (still can - that's for playing the likes of K Hope at 3)

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    Shay Hope is the WI hope, as they are -50 for 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I don't see how ENG is going to get 20 wickets in AUS - not much in spin & their 3 pacers were bang average in their 20s when it's sunny & hard, scratchy AUS wicket; at this age I just don't see Jimmy & Barbi giving 45 overs/day flat out; rest are just not good enough.

    Batting lower half is good, but they won't bail out 50/4 against AUS every time. Againt Kookaburra, unless your top 4 carries to 35th over at least, by 2nd ball tail won't wgah. And, these 3 pacers can reverse it at pace. Finally, this is the worst catching unit from ENG in my memory - going to AUS, where they'll need to take 12-15 catches to take 20 wickets, without dropping ore than 3 in total.
    Draco averaged 27 there last time. Anderson reverses it. Stokes has a Michelle there and reverses it. But Moeen will not take wickets, and R-J and Woakes will get whacked on the up. They really need Wood back.

    The real problem is the top order batting. Jimmy got 24 wickets @ 26 on the Strauss tour but he had a mountain of runs to bowl at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Draco averaged 27 there last time. Anderson reverses it. Stokes has a Michelle there and reverses it. But Moeen will not take wickets, and R-J and Woakes will get whacked on the up. They really need Wood back.

    The real problem is the top order batting. Jimmy got 24 wickets @ 26 on the Strauss tour but he had a mountain of runs to bowl at.
    I know the figures more or less, but these 2 are old for AUS now - I don't see Jimmy/Berbi surviving 5 Tests.

    But, coming to batting - is this really that desperate that ENG has Stoneman & Westly at 2 & 3!!!! I mean, even our Imrul Kayes at least once played a match saving hundred against PAK on Day 5 wicket ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I know the figures more or less, but these 2 are old for AUS now - I don't see Jimmy/Berbi surviving 5 Tests.

    But, coming to batting - is this really that desperate that ENG has Stoneman & Westly at 2 & 3!!!! I mean, even our Imrul Kayes at least once played a match saving hundred against PAK on Day 5 wicket ..........
    Four big batters retired or were dropped around the same time which left a big hole. They have made some silly mistakes trying to plug it. Always batting Ballance out of position. Making Bairstow into the keeper (though he is now very good at it).

    Hameed is the one to watch but he picked up an injury and lost form. I think they could move Stokes up to #5 on current form but he will have to bowl a lot in Australia. Even Imran and Botham were usually #6.

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    That's a nice shot from Powell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Four big batters retired or were dropped around the same time which left a big hole. They have made some silly mistakes trying to plug it. Always batting Ballance out of position. Making Bairstow into the keeper (though he is now very good at it).

    Hameed is the one to watch but he picked up an injury and lost form. I think they could move Stokes up to #5 on current form but he will have to bowl a lot in Australia. Even Imran and Botham were usually #6.
    Is there anyone good with gloves & a bit of bat? Ideally, the line up should be

    Cook, 2nd Opener
    Root, Jhonny, Middle order
    Stokes, Moeen, WK
    3 specialist bowlers on absolute bowling merit, who can give quality 140 overs/Test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Is there anyone good with gloves & a bit of bat? Ideally, the line up should be

    Cook, 2nd Opener
    Root, Jhonny, Middle order
    Stokes, Moeen, WK
    3 specialist bowlers on absolute bowling merit, who can give quality 140 overs/Test.
    Foakes is a name going around for the WK position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    Foakes is a name going around for the WK position.
    If he is good with bat, then they can take a risk of taking out that 5th Middle order, put Ali at 5, Fokes at 7 & may be Woakes at 8. This should allow ENG to bring Adil (or Carne) in the mix as Leggi. Otherwise, these is extremely stereo type attack and they don't have Finn either. Warner'll score 700+ at 75+ SR

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If he is good with bat, then they can take a risk of taking out that 5th Middle order, put Ali at 5, Fokes at 7 & may be Woakes at 8. This should allow ENG to bring Adil (or Carne) in the mix as Leggi. Otherwise, these is extremely stereo type attack and they don't have Finn either. Warner'll score 700+ at 75+ SR
    I think they can't risk that. If I were going into Oz I'd play Roland-Jones, Anderson, Broad and Woakes. Malan missing out. Push everyone up 1 in the order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    I think they can't risk that. If I were going into Oz I'd play Roland-Jones, Anderson, Broad and Woakes. Malan missing out. Push everyone up 1 in the order.
    AUS will chase anything on 4th innings against that attack, while I don't think ENG can win batting 2nd. Only chance I'll give Poms is to bat first at Gabba, MCG, SCG or Adelaide, and set 300+ on Day 5 & Adil/Moeen having a lucky day, with Jimmy/Berbi doing some damage with old/new ball.

    If it's like old WACA track at Perth - I'll take a friendly bet right now : Aussies won't bat twice.

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    That 3rd wicket shifts the balance to ENG, otherwise game was in balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    AUS will chase anything on 4th innings against that attack, while I don't think ENG can win batting 2nd. Only chance I'll give Poms is to bat first at Gabba, MCG, SCG or Adelaide, and set 300+ on Day 5 & Adil/Moeen having a lucky day, with Jimmy/Berbi doing some damage with old/new ball.

    If it's like old WACA track at Perth - I'll take a friendly bet right now : Aussies won't bat twice.
    I agree. I think the tour vs Bangladesh is actually a blessing in disguise for Australia in that:
    1) if they do win the series, it'll give them a LOT of confidence winning a Test series in Asia - and the "iffy" batsmen like Handscombe will feel like his position in the Test side is truly cemented and so will play his natural game once he's in more comfortable conditions
    2) It gives them a series to gel before vs England, which they need. They're still in transition I believe and aren't at their fully best - while England are sort of in the same boat with the spots you've stated that need replacing.

    I agree though. I'm not really jittering if I see a bowling attack of them 4. And indeed, Ali will still be key in the games. Australia will win if they bat first in all Tests, and like you said England have to be competitive and hope scoreboard pressure gets to the Aussies if they have a score of 250+ to chase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    That 3rd wicket shifts the balance to ENG, otherwise game was in balance.
    If WI somehow bats for three more sessions, England might be in for a surprise series loss

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    @MMHS what sort of lead you reckon would give WI a chance here? It also depends on the weather to but I think it should improve to help them but mornings are always really bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    If WI somehow bats for three more sessions, England might be in for a surprise series loss
    3 more session means, a lead of 275+, which I don't think WI is capable, neither required. If the weather remain similar, Poms might struggle to match their 1st innings. Had WI not dropped so many & got their discipline right, they could have got a small lead here. Tomorrow is 98 overs day - if WI can set around 225 & get ENG 70/2 by Day end, we'll see a close finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    @MMHS what sort of lead you reckon would give WI a chance here? It also depends on the weather to but I think it should improve to help them but mornings are always really bad
    They have to catch better, unless I'll say 450.

    In standard cricket, on Day 4/5 Lord's track, unless it's a glorious sunny day all through, I don't think ENG would like to chase over 225; 250 is probably their limit. So, WI needs to score around 350 to dominate this game.

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    Wrong review, I'll say.

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    Johnny should be fined 2 sandwiches from his lunch tomorrow - WK can't suggest such reviews.
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    Anderson has two warnings from umpire Erasmus for running onto the danger area. One more and he's off for the innings.

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    Test match is on a knife-edge here. Anything above 180 will be difficult for England to chase in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Test match is on a knife-edge here. Anything above 180 will be difficult for England to chase in my opinion.
    WI are 22/3. Game heavily favours England. Can't see WI getting another 150 runs at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    3 more session means, a lead of 275+, which I don't think WI is capable, neither required. If the weather remain similar, Poms might struggle to match their 1st innings. Had WI not dropped so many & got their discipline right, they could have got a small lead here. Tomorrow is 98 overs day - if WI can set around 225 & get ENG 70/2 by Day end, we'll see a close finish.
    Largley agree with you on the target. Problem with 225 is that one good innings of 75+ can guide Eng chase. Also, WI catching is terrible as it is and might not hold on to too many catches under pressure. WI need to have around 275 lead to feel comfortable and attack. I am not sure if they have the ability to bat for two plus sessions..

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    22 for 3 with their best batsman in & a decent tail waiting - I don't think ENG is in that dominant situation that a team should be after blowing batting side for <120 in 1st Day. Great, great weekend coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    Largley agree with you on the target. Problem with 225 is that one good innings of 75+ can guide Eng chase. Also, WI catching is terrible as it is and might not hold on to too many catches under pressure. WI need to have around 275 lead to feel comfortable and attack. I am not sure if they have the ability to bat for two plus sessions..
    Also the weather is supposed to be better tomorrow. So if WI can manage to bat for 80 overs tomorrow (Highly unlikely and i wouldn't bet on that) they will be firmly in driving seat. England will start to panic if WI manages to bat anything more than 50 overs..

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    C'mon Chase, this is it. Channel in your zen mode.


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    I'd say it's still anyone's game. Maybe England have a slight advantage but definitely not their game to lose yet and both teams have a chance. West Indies need Chase and Hope to get a massive partnership. A lead of 250 is possible and could be too much for England

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    Conditions should be decent tomorrow, consolidate morning session and then play your shots boys


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    decent series so far this i would say


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    I have an idea that WI are in front by a nose.

    Depends what the weather is like tomorrow. If good for batting I think WI could win the series.

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