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    Indian-origin Vasant Narasimhan to head $48 billion pharma giant Novartis

    Vasant (Vas) Narasimhan has been named as the global chief executive officer (CEO) of the Swiss pharmaceutical giant Novartis, making him the first Indian origin person to hold the post in a large pharma multinational.

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    http://www.business-standard.com/art...0401068_1.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by karthikc View Post
    Vasant (Vas) Narasimhan has been named as the global chief executive officer (CEO) of the Swiss pharmaceutical giant Novartis, making him the first Indian origin person to hold the post in a large pharma multinational.

    For more, please follow below link

    http://www.business-standard.com/art...0401068_1.html
    I assume the $48 billion refers to its revenues. A more meaningful number is market capitalization, and that is much higher at about $200 billion.

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    What's the point of having a pride in someone else's achievements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    What's the point of having a pride in someone else's achievements?
    especially in a case where the reason for celebrating the achievement is because the guy is Indian but said achievement is not even IN India


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    What's the point of having a pride in someone else's achievements?
    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    especially in a case where the reason for celebrating the achievement is because the guy is Indian but said achievement is not even IN India
    The impact of having these personal successes adds a tremendous value to India's image.

    Suppose Japan thinks about having an alliance with India to counter China. Twenty five years ago the dominant image of India was poverty, snake charmers and elephants. Now India's image also is "the country where the CEOs of Google, MS and Pepsi are from".

    The change in perception totally changes the terms that parties agree to.

    Or Russia wants to collaborate with India in developing a fifth generation fighter. Again, the perception of India has changed.

    The perception of the common man does not change much due to Indians becoming CEOs. But among the elite decision makers, it has an outsize impact because that is what they care about.

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    I think it is the quality of integrity, leadership and intelligence which comes naturally in many educated indians, which makes them ideal candidates to lead multi national corporations.

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    India is a failed democracy flooded with corruption, poverty and overpopulation.. Do you want to create better image? How about improving the conditions in the country first?

    The stain of half of the budget for commonwealth games eaten by your own government can't be washed by some random dude becoming the CEO of overseas company!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    India is a failed democracy
    That is your opinion. Any country which has repeated peaceful transfer of power by elections is thought to be a successful democracy.

    flooded with corruption, poverty and overpopulation.. Do you want to create better image? How about improving the conditions in the country first?
    Growth rates of 7%+ qualify as "improving the conditions".

    The stain of half of the budget for commonwealth games eaten by your own government can't be washed by some random dude becoming the CEO of overseas company!
    To decision makers around the world, he is not a "random dude". He is an Indian, like the dozen other Indians who have become CEOs of the world's largest firms. In comparison a country like China has zero CEOs of Western firms, though the Chinese expat population is much larger than the Indian expat population.

    Like I said, it influences the image of India in the mind of decision makers, it may not do so for everyone. If it doesn't influence your image of India, it is not something for me to spend time arguing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think it is the quality of integrity, leadership and intelligence which comes naturally in many educated indians, which makes them ideal candidates to lead multi national corporations.
    But my question is why these intelligent leaders with integrity can't help India turn into even 2nd world country? I have heard concepts of brain drain but frankly with the population that India has, they still should have plenty of intellectuals around?

    Or is this the intelligent group of people main part of the problem (involved in corruption)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    That is your opinion. Any country which has repeated peaceful transfer of power by elections is thought to be a successful democracy.



    Growth rates of 7%+ qualify as "improving the conditions".



    To decision makers around the world, he is not a "random dude". He is an Indian, like the dozen other Indians who have become CEOs of the world's largest firms. In comparison a country like China has zero CEOs of Western firms, though the Chinese expat population is much larger than the Indian expat population.

    Like I said, it influences the image of India in the mind of decision makers, it may not do so for everyone. If it doesn't influence your image of India, it is not something for me to spend time arguing about.
    So you really think 'poverty' and 'slums' is still not the main idea which comes into westerners minds when they think about India? You think appoitnment of a few CEOs is a global image game changer? Its a game changer for him personally obv!

    This is gold!

    As for Chinese. They head firms in their OWN country. They dont need to go to the West to make a career necessarily. You do know China will be the LARGEST economy in the world soon. Along with the US it has the biggest corporates in the world by asset size and by market cap.

    Most Chinese students who come to the US for studies end up going back to China and dont try to stay in the US by hook or by crook like many Indians. So a stat where you quote the number of CEOs of China in the west isnt a great measure.

    Also the Chinese expat population compared to the Indian is obv greater but mind you that its been there since 1800s. If you look at just post-1970 (which in the US is the metric to use), then Im sure Indians immigrated in much greater numbers. Ofocourse language helps.

    And now for the funniest thing. The guy is not even Indian per se. He was born in the US.
    Last edited by Muhammad10; 14th September 2017 at 19:24.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    So you really think 'poverty' and 'slums' is still not the main idea which comes into westerners minds when they think about India? You think appoitnment of a few CEOs is a global image game changer? Its a game changer for him personally obv!

    No having dozens of India-based billion dollar companies embedding themselves in the global corporate world, providing IT and Backoffice services is a game changer.

    Having a national space program that sends satellites to Mars, a market leader in providing satellite launch services, and free satellite services to its neighboring countries helps. Hosting the world's biggest, best and yes, richest Cricket league helps in changing perceptions.

    You are, of course, free to cling to your confirmation biases and outdated thinking. May it provide some comfort to you while reality passes you by.


    No Indian is blind to the vast amount of work that needs to be done, to improve the lives of millions. And apart from jealous "wannabe rivals", no global citizen who is reasonably well informed, is unaware of the progress India has made in the last 30 years.

    Congratulations to Pakistan by the way, in conducting its first census in 30 years, even though it was incomplete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndYeah1 View Post
    No having dozens of India-based billion dollar companies embedding themselves in the global corporate world, providing IT and Backoffice services is a game changer.

    Having a national space program that sends satellites to Mars, a market leader in providing satellite launch services, and free satellite services to its neighboring countries helps. Hosting the world's biggest, best and yes, richest Cricket league helps in changing perceptions.

    You are, of course, free to cling to your confirmation biases and outdated thinking. May it provide some comfort to you while reality passes you by.


    No Indian is blind to the vast amount of work that needs to be done, to improve the lives of millions. And apart from jealous "wannabe rivals", no global citizen who is reasonably well informed, is unaware of the progress India has made in the last 30 years.

    Congratulations to Pakistan by the way, in conducting its first census in 30 years, even though it was incomplete.
    Congrats on your achievements

    Im sure the 400 million plus under the poverty line are jumping with joy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Congrats on your achievements

    Im sure the 400 million plus under the poverty line are jumping with joy!
    Thanks! Not sure about the ones under the poverty line, but the 200 million that climbed above it sure are! There's plenty of opportunity in today's India for anyone who wants to work hard for it. This was not always the case in the past. And it is indeed an achievement for all Indians to be proud of.

    And InshaAllah, that number will keep going in the right direction, without praying for any outside Uncles to come in and save us with their corridors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    India is a failed democracy flooded with corruption, poverty and overpopulation.. Do you want to create better image? How about improving the conditions in the country first?

    The stain of half of the budget for commonwealth games eaten by your own government can't be washed by some random dude becoming the CEO of overseas company!
    Do you even understand the complexity of problems in India. Failed democracy? Democracy is one of the biggest achievements of the Indian system. The fact that a country as diverse and as complex as India has been successfully conducting fair elections for the past 70 years without a single blot on the credibility of the election commission is a very big achievement.

    You sound like a kid who's seen a couple of bollywood movies about corruption and thinks he understands every problem about India. You don't even have the slightest idea about India. As someone who has studied for civil service and who has a way better insight in the problems and the steps being taken, your post is ridiculous.
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 13th September 2017 at 22:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    India is a failed democracy flooded with corruption, poverty and overpopulation.. Do you want to create better image? How about improving the conditions in the country first?

    The stain of half of the budget for commonwealth games eaten by your own government can't be washed by some random dude becoming the CEO of overseas company!
    who provided that budget of the CWG games?Which country?

    And stop with your lies of Indian govt eating the CWG budget.The Indian govt underwrote the entire cost of the games.

    Btw your opinion on India doesnt make it a fact.

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    As usual a thread about India/indians doing something good is veered off in a predicted direction.The burn some people get is astonishing.

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    Anyways here is the link for those interested. I guess not relevant in some people's eyes who are understandably far too used to it:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conc...onwealth_Games
    Last edited by Chrish; 13th September 2017 at 23:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think it is the quality of integrity, leadership and intelligence which comes naturally in many educated indians, which makes them ideal candidates to lead multi national corporations.
    His parents were Tamil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    But my question is why these intelligent leaders with integrity can't help India turn into even 2nd world country? I have heard concepts of brain drain but frankly with the population that India has, they still should have plenty of intellectuals around?

    Or is this the intelligent group of people main part of the problem (involved in corruption)?
    The answer is democracy dear. Intellectuals are trapped in a system with does not promote meritocracy. Give them a fair playground and the world bows to them. I have interacted with many indians, and the educated ones are too upright and honest to succeed in something like politics, but the same qualities make them excel in corporate environments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think it is the quality of integrity, leadership and intelligence which comes naturally in many educated indians, which makes them ideal candidates to lead multi national corporations.
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Zero View Post
    His parents were Tamil
    Possibly you believe that Tamils are not Indian, but then you would be mistaken.

    There are some Tamils in SL, but by and large Tamils are Indian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Possibly you believe that Tamils are not Indian, but then you would be mistaken.

    There are some Tamils in SL, but by and large Tamils are Indian.
    I think BZ bhai was adding that the intelligence was probably because of him being a Tamil brahmin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think BZ bhai was adding that the intelligence was probably because of him being a Tamil brahmin.
    Really? A Tamil Brahmin who flies the red flag of proletarian revolution? An interesting combination

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    Good for him I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think BZ bhai was adding that the intelligence was probably because of him being a Tamil brahmin.
    Yes that's exactly was in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Rarely have I read this much rubbish in a single post in recent times.

    So you really think 'poverty' and 'slums' is still not the main idea which comes into westerners minds when they think about India? You think appoitnment of a few CEOs is a global image game changer? Its a game changer for him personally obv!

    This is gold!

    As for Chinese. They head firms in their OWN country. They dont need to go to the West to make a career necessarily. You do know China will be the LARGEST economy in the world soon. Along with the US it has the biggest corporates in the world by asset size and by market cap.

    Most Chinese students who come to the US for studies end up going back to China and dont try to stay in the US by hook or by crook like many Indians. So a stat where you quote the number of CEOs of China in the west isnt a great measure.

    Also the Chinese expat population compared to the Indian is obv greater but mind you that its been there since 1800s. If you look at just post-1970 (which in the US is the metric to use), then Im sure Indians immigrated in much greater numbers. Ofocourse language helps.

    And now for the funniest thing. The guy is not even Indian per se. He was born in the US.
    Indian doesn't import CEOs and almost all Indian companies have Indian CEOs.
    Indian being CEOs in other country is the point which I think you completely failed to understand.

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    Americans should be taking pride in this guys achievements not Indians. He studied in the US and lived most of his life there. In fact getting out of India is why this guy has done well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Americans should be taking pride in this guys achievements not Indians. He studied in the US and lived most of his life there. In fact getting out of India is why this guy has done well.
    he was born in the US lol

    didnt even do schooling in India

    though you are right about the few others, who study their bsc or ba in india and then make a run for it to get out of the country


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    Quote Originally Posted by vagabond007ti View Post
    Indian doesn't import CEOs and almost all Indian companies have Indian CEOs.
    Indian being CEOs in other country is the point which I think you completely failed to understand.
    Indian companies do not compare with Chinese and US in terms of size

    (obv there are some exception but almost half of the world's biggest companies are Chinese and US. India forms a small fairly insignificant portion)


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Americans should be taking pride in this guys achievements not Indians. He studied in the US and lived most of his life there. In fact getting out of India is why this guy has done well.
    Guy was born in usa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    he was born in the US lol

    didnt even do schooling in India

    though you are right about the few others, who study their bsc or ba in india and then make a run for it to get out of the country
    I assumed he was born in India due to the excitement of Indian posters but this fact makes it even strange they are treating him as one of them. Interestingly Joshila bhai used to say Amir Khan is not Pakistani so his achievements cannot be regarded as Pakistan's but I guess he's a had a change of heart now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I assumed he was born in India due to the excitement of Indian posters but this fact makes it even strange they are treating him as one of them. Interestingly Joshila bhai used to say Amir Khan is not Pakistani so his achievements cannot be regarded as Pakistan's but I guess he's a had a change of heart now.
    Doesn't matter where he was born. One look at him and people know he is Indian ethnicity. Not like Rajat Gupta (who I have met in real life) who could be Southern European. Narashiman is typecast Indian. And like I said, when guys like him succeed, that influences the opinions of decision makers around the world. I did not say that "determines" the opinion, I said "influences". Understand the difference between the two words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I assumed he was born in India due to the excitement of Indian posters but this fact makes it even strange they are treating him as one of them. Interestingly Joshila bhai used to say Amir Khan is not Pakistani so his achievements cannot be regarded as Pakistan's but I guess he's a had a change of heart now.
    Where have i said he is an Indian?Even the OP says Indian Origin. Amir Khan is also Pakistani Origin. His medals in Olympics are not listed under Pakistan but UK.May be you should raise the issue with IOC.

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    Regardless of where this guy was born, this type of news is old news. Who was the head of Deutsche Bank? Who is supposed to be Warren Buffet's successor at Berkshire Hathaway? Who is the CEO of Pepsi? Where did the CEOs of Google and Microsoft come from?


    Any corporate executive today, regardless of what industry sector, unless he is an ignorant fool, will know what calibre an IIT graduate brings to the table. That's just the way it is. Those who don't like it, can keep burning. I hear the Chinese knock-off of Burnol will get cheaper now that "CPAIK" is in town. Just don't forget to clear the frequent landslides and avalanches on those roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Doesn't matter where he was born. One look at him and people know he is Indian ethnicity. Not like Rajat Gupta (who I have met in real life) who could be Southern European. Narashiman is typecast Indian. And like I said, when guys like him succeed, that influences the opinions of decision makers around the world. I did not say that "determines" the opinion, I said "influences". Understand the difference between the two words.
    I think you're getting carried away here. Just by looking at him, he could be from India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal or even Pakistan. What does an Indian look like? Im not sure what influence it has on anything, he was born, raised and educated in the US, so the only people who can take anything from his success is Americans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I think you're getting carried away here. Just by looking at him, he could be from India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal or even Pakistan. What does an Indian look like? Im not sure what influence it has on anything, he was born, raised and educated in the US, so the only people who can take anything from his success is Americans.
    Yes, he is typical South Asian.

    Also, "typical South Asian" is the same as "Indian"

    Credit to the US, Harvard, McKinsey etc. along with credit to India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Yes, he is typical South Asian.

    Also, "typical South Asian" is the same as "Indian"

    Credit to the US, Harvard, McKinsey etc. along with credit to India.
    You wrote : "One look at him and people know he is Indian ethnicity"

    Please tell me what do Indians look like?

    Credit to India? For what? lol


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    Just getting sick to the pit of this "India is great just because they are better than Pakistan" mindset and this whole feeling delighted over someone else's achievement culture.

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    Lol at reading some of the above comments reminded me of the facebook story where there was an Indian guy born in the US and studied at Harvard (Divya Narendra) involved in the evolution of Facebook or supposedly claimed that facebook was his idea. Anyway he looked anything but Indian in real life or unlike the average Indian guy..... Do Indians want to claim this guy too even though his parents were indian....;)

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