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    Countries to migrate to after Brexit

    @the Great Khan told me to start this thread.

    Assuming Brexit cannot be stopped, I think the UK is going to turn bad. Where would be the best place to go?

    I reckon Norway or Sweden. Scandi-model capitalism with strong publc services and good management-union relations. Excellent health care and schools. High employment. Low poverty. Low crime. Low population density so lots of space. Fully carbon-neutral due to massive HEP off the fjords Skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I reckon Norway or Sweden. Scandi-model capitalism with strong publc services and good management-union relations. Excellent health care and schools. High employment. Low poverty. Low crime. Low population density so lots of space. Fully carbon-neutral due to massive HEP off the fjords Skiing.
    Awful weather though for people who don't like the cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    @the Great Khan told me to start this thread.

    Assuming Brexit cannot be stopped, I think the UK is going to turn bad. Where would be the best place to go?

    I reckon Norway or Sweden. Scandi-model capitalism with strong publc services and good management-union relations. Excellent health care and schools. High employment. Low poverty. Low crime. Low population density so lots of space. Fully carbon-neutral due to massive HEP off the fjords Skiing.
    If UK is going to turn bad, then people like you leaving will only make it worse.

    But I agree, the scandinavian countries would be the last frontier for fascism.

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    Swim across the pond to Canada, the best country on the face of the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    If UK is going to turn bad, then people like you leaving will only make it worse.
    Aww, that's nice of you.

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    Am going to stay here regardless, the captain never leaves his ship even when it's sinking. Anyhow not even an ice berg can bring this ship down this country has survived and thrived, it will again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Swim across the pond to Canada, the best country on the face of the planet.
    Cold as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Swim across the pond to Canada, the best country on the face of the planet.
    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Cold as hell.
    As they can't live in the US, Canadians do the next best thing. 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border.
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    Australia preferably.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Cold as hell.
    Vancouver is not bad.

    Cold but not "I can't feel my body" piercing like Toronto/Montreal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Australia preferably.
    Dont go to Australia, they are racist and anti-islamic. No immigrant likes living in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Swim across the pond to Canada, the best country on the face of the planet.
    poor canadian

    canada = chinese version of the us


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    Norway is your answer. The best country in the world

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    Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by irfan View Post
    Ireland
    Their economy is in the tank, and if a hard border goes up it will get worse and sectarian violence will resume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    As they can't live in the US, Canadians do the next best thing. 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border.
    I wouldn't live in a country without socialised health care. Canada has liberal / centrist government and isn't anti-reason like so much of the US.

    The only problem would be the cold in winter. But I could ski. And the summers are lovely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I wouldn't live in a country without socialised health care. Canada has liberal / centrist government and isn't anti-reason like so much of the US.

    The only problem would be the cold in winter. But I could ski. And the summers are lovely.
    Agree with you about socialised health care, but from a strictly selfish point of view, if you have a job where the employer provides health insurance, then it is not too bad.

    Skiing is indeed a way to deal with the long winters, but summers aren't that great. They get to be hot and humid with lots of insects.

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    Robert, by the end of this discussion I think you'll come to the conclusion that there is no better country to live in then England!

    Or was this the point of the thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    @the Great Khan told me to start this thread.

    Assuming Brexit cannot be stopped, I think the UK is going to turn bad. Where would be the best place to go?

    I reckon Norway or Sweden.
    Scandi-model capitalism with strong publc services and good management-union relations. Excellent health care and schools. High employment. Low poverty. Low crime. Low population density so lots of space. Fully carbon-neutral due to massive HEP off the fjords Skiing.
    You'll only be able to go and get all the benefits you mention if the UK and EU strike a deal re-each other's citizens rights.

    Even going to live/work there, and not simply going as a tourist or on a business visit, will not be possible unless your skills are in demand and someone offers you a job there before you go. That was the whole point of Brexit for the Brexiteers, ie stopping the free movement of people and reducing immigration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    @the Great Khan told me to start this thread.

    Assuming Brexit cannot be stopped, I think the UK is going to turn bad. Where would be the best place to go?

    I reckon Norway or Sweden. Scandi-model capitalism with strong publc services and good management-union relations. Excellent health care and schools. High employment. Low poverty. Low crime. Low population density so lots of space. Fully carbon-neutral due to massive HEP off the fjords Skiing.
    You might be more welcome in the Scandi countries than The Great Khan so he might have to weigh up different options.

    For me it would depend on what you mean by the country is going to turn bad. In what way? Losing the financial clout we have had because of Brexit? Rising xenophobia?


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    for me I have researched into moving to Vancouver as there was a job I could have applied for but alas the house prices are just insane. Also the kids gave a very bad reaction to the idea lol. But secretly I'm still researching the possibility. There was a point where I looked at Australia about five to six years ago but alas I believe the country is also going down a wrong path.

    Theres always Pakistan but there just dont seem to be any jobs in the sector I'm in. Also law and order and other issues mean at worst I could send the kids with the Mrs but would have to stick it out somewhere else and send money over. I'm going to be learning Mandarin this year '(well going to try lol) so maybe that will open up some avenues if I learn to speak it. Otherwise British columbia seems to be the only option if the UK goes full fascist. Or a stop gap could be inverness or the highlands..could hide out there till a better option is found..

    what do other Brits think? are things on their way down that we have to think about next steps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    for me I have researched into moving to Vancouver as there was a job I could have applied for but alas the house prices are just insane. Also the kids gave a very bad reaction to the idea lol. But secretly I'm still researching the possibility. There was a point where I looked at Australia about five to six years ago but alas I believe the country is also going down a wrong path.

    Theres always Pakistan but there just dont seem to be any jobs in the sector I'm in. Also law and order and other issues mean at worst I could send the kids with the Mrs but would have to stick it out somewhere else and send money over. I'm going to be learning Mandarin this year '(well going to try lol) so maybe that will open up some avenues if I learn to speak it. Otherwise British columbia seems to be the only option if the UK goes full fascist. Or a stop gap could be inverness or the highlands..could hide out there till a better option is found..
    Are you expecting an alien invasion? Calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Are you expecting an alien invasion? Calm down.
    Exactly. People in South Asia are ready to sell their organs to just smell the air of the UK and this guy is pretending as if a Zombie Apocalypse is imminent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Exactly. People in South Asia are ready to sell their organs to just smell the air of the UK and this guy is pretending as if a Zombie Apocalypse is imminent.
    Why do you expect a UK citizen to have the mentality of a third world citizen who is ready to compromise on everything as long as it is less worse than his home country? This thread is for UK citizens who don't want to compromise on the quality of society they are used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Why do you expect a UK citizen to have the mentality of a third world citizen who is ready to compromise on everything as long as it is less worse than his home country? This thread is for UK citizens who don't want to compromise on the quality of society they are used to.
    Of course and I certainly respect that but to pretend as if the situation is worse than what it is in reality is unwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Of course and I certainly respect that but to pretend as if the situation is worse than what it is in reality is unwise.
    Perception is people's reality. India is worse than western nations in terms of safety, but I feel safer here than there.

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    Belgium bro

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    I voted Brexit, primarily for the benefits it will bring in to the Industry I am in. The trading/hedge fund industry has had a surge in volume with the opportunities created. In the near future, there will be some turnover in the larger banks operating in London, but the smaller ones are expected to do well. The last few months since the vote have fantastic. I don't expect to be moving anywhere till 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    for me I have researched into moving to Vancouver as there was a job I could have applied for but alas the house prices are just insane. Also the kids gave a very bad reaction to the idea lol. But secretly I'm still researching the possibility. There was a point where I looked at Australia about five to six years ago but alas I believe the country is also going down a wrong path.

    Theres always Pakistan but there just dont seem to be any jobs in the sector I'm in. Also law and order and other issues mean at worst I could send the kids with the Mrs but would have to stick it out somewhere else and send money over. I'm going to be learning Mandarin this year '(well going to try lol) so maybe that will open up some avenues if I learn to speak it. Otherwise British columbia seems to be the only option if the UK goes full fascist. Or a stop gap could be inverness or the highlands..could hide out there till a better option is found..

    what do other Brits think? are things on their way down that we have to think about next steps?
    Your post got me curious. What opportunities do you expect to open up if you learn Mandarin? Why not Germany? It's doing well and is looking for workers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Are you expecting an alien invasion? Calm down.
    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Exactly. People in South Asia are ready to sell their organs to just smell the air of the UK and this guy is pretending as if a Zombie Apocalypse is imminent.
    An Indian and Pakistani are here joking about something which is on it's way of becoming a reality. If you do not know, you shouldn't really speak. The far right is getting stronger and stronger by the day with more and more extreme view points getting normalised.

    Personally if the country does go crazy, I may move to Pakistan, UAE or perhaps Qatar. Pakistan is too unstructured for me but my roots are originally from there so. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz95 View Post
    An Indian and Pakistani are here joking about something which is on it's way of becoming a reality. If you do not know, you shouldn't really speak. The far right is getting stronger and stronger by the day with more and more extreme view points getting normalised.

    Personally if the country does go crazy, I may move to Pakistan, UAE or perhaps Qatar. Pakistan is too unstructured for me but my roots are originally from there so. . .
    Anything tangible you could point to? I live in London and nothing has changed for me socially. Also Qatar to escape the far right? :-0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz95 View Post
    An Indian and Pakistani are here joking about something which is on it's way of becoming a reality. If you do not know, you shouldn't really speak. The far right is getting stronger and stronger by the day with more and more extreme view points getting normalised.

    Personally if the country does go crazy, I may move to Pakistan, UAE or perhaps Qatar. Pakistan is too unstructured for me but my roots are originally from there so. . .
    Excuse me, I am very well aware of the political scenario that engulfs the UK and the ramifications it may bring for its citizens but I don't bother debating about something I know the majority in this forum wouldn't agree with. Nonetheless, coming back to the point, whatever becomes the way of life, it is not the end of the world. Some of the posters here are pretending as if the UK is about to go under a Zombie Apocalypse.

    If you think you'll be treated any better in the Middle East, you're indulging in wishful thinking and delusion. This is not met to be a personal attack but having spent time in the Arab lands, I have realised that the rich Arabs have a strong hate for anyone the West does not like i.e Pakistanis. Don't know if that applies to people of Pakistani heritage though, like yourself.

    Relocating yourself is never an easy thing to do, especially if you don't have a guaranteed job in places like the Middle East where house prices reach the skies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Exactly. People in South Asia are ready to sell their organs to just smell the air of the UK and this guy is pretending as if a Zombie Apocalypse is imminent.
    I do agree with you to some extent. Although I have family who live in Pakistan and are perfectly happy there, I can't say I would want to move there at this moment, the culture is alien to me. I don't know what the future is like over the next 10 years of course, but it always makes me laugh when people from over there start having a pop at Brit Pakistanis when they are living in what are obviously poor conditions themselves considering how they are always apologising on behalf of their country's failings. Some have even started cheerleading Indian posters who have a go at Brits such is their dissatisfaction at home. Each to their own I say.


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    I know @Slog always has plenty to say about Brit Pakistanis, would be interesting to get his view, his friend Varun has already had his say, and most appreciated it was too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Excuse me, I am very well aware of the political scenario that engulfs the UK and the ramifications it may bring for its citizens but I don't bother debating about something I know the majority in this forum wouldn't agree with. Nonetheless, coming back to the point, whatever becomes the way of life, it is not the end of the world. Some of the posters here are pretending as if the UK is about to go under a Zombie Apocalypse.

    If you think you'll be treated any better in the Middle East, you're indulging in wishful thinking and delusion. This is not met to be a personal attack but having spent time in the Arab lands, I have realised that the rich Arabs have a strong hate for anyone the West does not like i.e Pakistanis. Don't know if that applies to people of Pakistani heritage though, like yourself.

    Relocating yourself is never an easy thing to do, especially if you don't have a guaranteed job in places like the Middle East where house prices reach the skies.
    You are debating from your home, that's the difference. Now am not here acting as though am living in some sort of Warzone where I'd get shot walking out but it's a reality that life will become so hard for us that we are gonna end up moving out ourselves due to laws which pretty much negate our entire lifestyles and 'freedom'. I remember how life was so simple 10 years ago, it was so different. Now it's just a internet war sprawling into real life of whiny liberals and retard3d right wingers. I'm not even going to touch on the economic aspects of this country, the lack of jobs or how expensive living is.

    I'm well aware of how Arabs are in the middle east, especially towards people of 3rd world countries. They're pretty racist. However, I've also noticed they're real suck ups to anyone of English heritage or anyone even half educated so it's an ok risk to take. Regardless, am pretty young still so I really don't think relocating will be an issue. It's whether I want to leave England or not that will decide rather than extraneous factors because at the end of the day I was born and bred here and I have an attachment to this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBK_Fan View Post
    Anything tangible you could point to? I live in London and nothing has changed for me socially. Also Qatar to escape the far right? :-0
    I am more inclined towards right wing views myself to be honest. However, far right views are very very dangerous and they're developing. Brexit has given a sense of security to closet racists and far right wingers, of course most are too cowardly to do it your faces still but over the internet you can see how they're getting more and more vocal. You are from London, a pretty big city filled with many different people of different cultures so you won't experience it as much.

    Politicians too like Farage and journalists with mainly Anti Islamic sentiments are feeling more empowered too with more backing. The problem is you can't blame them because triggered SJWs are too damn stupid and ruin it for everyone, making regular right wingers annoyed and inclining towards more extreme views. As a result most are feeling empowered and votes for things that would've been blasphemous just 5 years ago are becoming the norm. Brexit was the ignitor of this.

    I am pretty unclear on this as a whole ^ because I'd be writing essays if I went in depth but what I'm trying to say is compare things that were even just 6/7 years ago in terms of poltics, religion, race and whatnot ..the speed at which it's all changed. Who knows how it will be 10 years from now for our kids and whatnot? Because one thing for sure, it's only gonna get worse....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I do agree with you to some extent. Although I have family who live in Pakistan and are perfectly happy there, I can't say I would want to move there at this moment, the culture is alien to me. I don't know what the future is like over the next 10 years of course, but it always makes me laugh when people from over there start having a pop at Brit Pakistanis when they are living in what are obviously poor conditions themselves considering how they are always apologising on behalf of their country's failings. Some have even started cheerleading Indian posters who have a go at Brits such is their dissatisfaction at home. Each to their own I say.
    You know, I met a 16 year old girl in Islamabad today who had just moved to Islamabad from East London for a year because her younger brother who was 12 was getting involved into gangs, drugs and the lifestyle you wouldn't want your kid to get involved into. Anyway, as we spoke more, she told me how she was totally against the idea of moving to Pakistan and that her parents had lied To her about only coming for a month. She'd assumed that Pakistani's were illiterate savages who lives in huts, had no idea about what was going on in the world, had no malls, no recreational facilities, nothing! She was astonished we had gyms and knew what Snapchat & Instagram were for crying out loud. I don't blame her though. I've met many other British Pakistanis who didn't have as extreme perceptions.

    My point is, I don't think it's that big of a deal frankly, you might fit in just well, like she probably will. And with the economy growing, jobs are bound to come. Heck, intelligent people still have good jobs. That is just a matter of how good you are. If you're so fed up with what's going on then book the flight to Pakistan but in my humble and honest opinion, I am absolutely adamant that things aren't going to get worse for Pakistanis living in the UK. I understand the fear that inhibits your minds but it is very unlikely

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    My take on the subject is that British Muslims, like people of any other faith need to start keeping religion a PRIVATE, PERSONAL and MOST importantly an INDIVIDUAL matter. For some reason or the other, which I clearly don't understand, British Muslims have taken it upon themselves to show people the right path, to intervene in others lives, to become to light and this has led to their uncustomary downfall and the persecution presented towards them.

    I am very well aware that I may trigger the immature Muslim youth on this forum but honestly, be it the bearded men bombing streets, running over innocent pedestrians, raping women and young children, gangs inventing Muslim Only neighborhoods, beating up white boys or whatever else they have done, it has been a wound inflicted to one's self.

    It is beyond my understanding why a large minority of the British Muslim community follows such an extreme version of Islam
    You don't see as many girls wearing Hijabs in Pakistani schools than you do in England..

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    Not going anywhere- still think its one of the best countries in the world to live in. Most people are friendly and welcoming and that wont change. I would have never voted to leave but now that we have, it needs to be a hard brexit that gives the country control over all the things that people are worried about, such as immigration etc. It would be the worst of both worlds if we stayed in through the back door but have no influence on the decision making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Excuse me, I am very well aware of the political scenario that engulfs the UK and the ramifications it may bring for its citizens but I don't bother debating about something I know the majority in this forum wouldn't agree with. Nonetheless, coming back to the point, whatever becomes the way of life, it is not the end of the world. Some of the posters here are pretending as if the UK is about to go under a Zombie Apocalypse.

    If you think you'll be treated any better in the Middle East, you're indulging in wishful thinking and delusion. This is not met to be a personal attack but having spent time in the Arab lands, I have realised that the rich Arabs have a strong hate for anyone the West does not like i.e Pakistanis. Don't know if that applies to people of Pakistani heritage though, like yourself.

    Relocating yourself is never an easy thing to do, especially if you don't have a guaranteed job in places like the Middle East where house prices reach the skies.
    Honestly speaking things are far from perfect but I would never leave, people overly focus on the negatives with regards to the far right but are ignoring the support for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour which recently cut the Tories majority and caused a hung parliament! so I don't believe the right are getting stronger. Anyhow beyond that, there are opportunities in terms of education for folk of all backgrounds; am in massive student debt but I only start paying it off once am earning 21K + , admittedly waiting times are a bigger pain then ever but we are generally taken care of with regards to our health and there is more tolerance, equality and diversity here then most places. Even recently when we've had so many attacks by radicals, the country has stood together as one; you do have various incidents like acid attacks etc but you'd find that more people are against these heinous crimes and generalisations are not as frequent on both sides of the spectrum. Unemployment and the economy has been hit below the belt, but if the youth leave things won't improve and am not going to say that if folk remain they will automatically bump into a gold mine; whatever you do in life it takes a lot of sacrifice and hard work (dedication! as TMT would say ). In terms of prospects there's a lot of competition but also a lot of variety and potential for growth, we don't always get what we want from the word go it takes time and effort

    I would NEVER go anywhere near Arabs, absolutely despise them and everything they stand for. Astagfirulla hell no, no way, no chance! no chance in hell!


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Honestly speaking things are far from perfect but I would never leave, people overly focus on the negatives with regards to the far right but are ignoring the support for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour which recently cut the Tories majority and caused a hung parliament! so I don't believe the right are getting stronger. Anyhow beyond that, there are opportunities in terms of education for folk of all backgrounds; am in massive student debt but I only start paying it off once am earning 21K + , admittedly waiting times are a bigger pain then ever but we are generally taken care of with regards to our health and there is more tolerance, equality and diversity here then most places. Even recently when we've had so many attacks by radicals, the country has stood together as one; you do have various incidents like acid attacks etc but you'd find that more people are against these heinous crimes and generalisations are not as frequent on both sides of the spectrum. Unemployment and the economy has been hit below the belt, but if the youth leave things won't improve and am not going to say that if folk remain they will automatically bump into a gold mine; whatever you do in life it takes a lot of sacrifice and hard work (dedication! as TMT would say ). In terms of prospects there's a lot of competition but also a lot of variety and potential for growth, we don't always get what we want from the word go it takes time and effort

    I would NEVER go anywhere near Arabs, absolutely despise them and everything they stand for. Astagfirulla hell no, no way, no chance! no chance in hell!
    Good on you, Shazzy! Good on you for staying true to the country that has made you the man you are.

    Frankly, I don't even understand the concept of so many Britishers like yourself supporting Pakistan OVER England when Pakistan has played little to no role in your positives in life while England has done EVERYTHING. Not judging. You can support anyone you like, just my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    My take on the subject is that British Muslims, like people of any other faith need to start keeping religion a PRIVATE, PERSONAL and MOST importantly an INDIVIDUAL matter. For some reason or the other, which I clearly don't understand, British Muslims have taken it upon themselves to show people the right path, to intervene in others lives, to become to light and this has led to their uncustomary downfall and the persecution presented towards them.

    I am very well aware that I may trigger the immature Muslim youth on this forum but honestly, be it the bearded men bombing streets, running over innocent pedestrians, raping women and young children, gangs inventing Muslim Only neighborhoods, beating up white boys or whatever else they have done, it has been a wound inflicted to one's self.

    It is beyond my understanding why a large minority of the British Muslim community follows such an extreme version of Islam
    You don't see as many girls wearing Hijabs in Pakistani schools than you do in England..
    If folk want to have a beard or wear a hijab there is nothing wrong with that it's their personal choice, in fact most of us in the UK don't have a problem with such individuals and we'd actually feel more uncompatible if their personal choices were banned. Their tends to be a stereotype against bearded folk and hijabi's that they are some how proportional to extreme views but that's not the case, many are just normal people it would be against british values to out law them or Islam for tat matter. The best way to integrate into British society is to be yourself and have a tolerance for others, that's what our country is all about.

    With regards to extreme salafis, gangs, rape and attacks from radicals; there is no denying that problems do exist but majority of us also realise that it doesn't help pointing fingers at each other, mistakes are made on both sides and there are certainly areas for improvement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Good on you, Shazzy! Good on you for staying true to the country that has made you the man you are.

    Frankly, I don't even understand the concept of so many Britishers like yourself supporting Pakistan OVER England when Pakistan has played little to no role in your positives in life while England has done EVERYTHING. Not judging. You can support anyone you like, just my day.
    Sport is just sport at the end of the day, it's not war. I have a big soft spot for WI's and England as well, do support and follow both teams. If I had a pro opportunity I'd always play for England and it would be a huge honour, would also represent the Royal Air Force if it came to it and was considering it at one point and not the PAF. Support Pakistan to stay in touch with me roots same with WI given my origins and also given how awesome those teams are, even Usain Bolt use to support Pakistan when he was growing up !


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Of course and I certainly respect that but to pretend as if the situation is worse than what it is in reality is unwise.
    with all due respect this is merely a thread to air anxieties considering the direction the country is taking. Its not just about jobs its security and the general environment. Yes there isn't a alien invasion imminent or zombie apocalypse but one has to be prepared and I think shoving your head in the sand isnt really the best approach either. So you can be constructive or not post on the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBK_Fan View Post
    Your post got me curious. What opportunities do you expect to open up if you learn Mandarin? Why not Germany? It's doing well and is looking for workers
    well im only learning it out of interest , i was just thinking out aloud. To be Honest I'm still here and in all likely hood will tough it out till the kids are old enough, but in the meantime i'm actively looking to move on as soon as I can. Now that may never happen and may remain a dream, and the grass is always greener elsewhere but one needs to keep ones options open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    My take on the subject is that British Muslims, like people of any other faith need to start keeping religion a PRIVATE, PERSONAL and MOST importantly an INDIVIDUAL matter. For some reason or the other, which I clearly don't understand, British Muslims have taken it upon themselves to show people the right path, to intervene in others lives, to become to light and this has led to their uncustomary downfall and the persecution presented towards them.

    I am very well aware that I may trigger the immature Muslim youth on this forum but honestly, be it the bearded men bombing streets, running over innocent pedestrians, raping women and young children, gangs inventing Muslim Only neighborhoods, beating up white boys or whatever else they have done, it has been a wound inflicted to one's self.

    It is beyond my understanding why a large minority of the British Muslim community follows such an extreme version of Islam
    You don't see as many girls wearing Hijabs in Pakistani schools than you do in England..
    In Britain if your a Muslim your Islam is not Private anymore whether you want it to be or not. Like I said some of you really have got your heads in the sand.

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    Speaking for myself, having come to the UK in the 70's (yes i'm that old!), I don't think things could ever get that bad from a social, racial and economic perspective, for me to ever want to move elsewhere.

    Living in London I remember sharing a tube carriage with a bunch of skin heads or being the only Asian in my class at primary school. When seeing a Merc, Jag or even a BMW on the street was special and you knew that the person driving had to have serious money (remember there was no such thing as credit, leasing or HP in those days)..

    Property booms and busts, prosperity and recession and social unrest are part of history and will be there in the future too. Even someone who voted to remain I feel this country is brilliant and there will be many opportunities after we exit. As they say, one door closes and another door opens. I'm excited at the prospect of what the future holds.

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    I want to stay in England, I think it's a damn good country. Most Pakistanis want out becoz a lot are business minded and most the major British business ideas have already taken off when the previous generations migrated 40/50 years ago. Now they think Pakistan is developing with a rising economy so there's more opportunities there. However there's still many cooperate jobs people can take and are on offer. Not everyone is gonna become the self made millionaire overnight that they want to be.

    wrt Express pacer saying how we should be more accepting, admitting and blah blah. Me? I'm done apologising and am done arguing with people. I am sick of most the media making us Muslims feel responsbile for all these attacks and awful events. It's got as much to do with us as it has a Jewish man, an atheist, a Black man and etc. Just because they front with Islam doesn't mean it's apart of it. If such is the case maybe we should blame all the citizens of the US and UK for the bomb attacks in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and etc. I mean they are apart of a system which supports it, right? But reality is us citizens have nothing to do with it. It's ridiculous to think that we do.

    I think all people should be punished alike, treated alike and whatnot. All this blacklivesmatter, LGBTQ etc bakwas must stop. People should practice what they do in private, before telling others to do so. Because most people whinge about stuff like that, the right and more general people get sick of hearing it and thus give more power. And the rise of social justice and alt right alike is causing more turmoil and further adding fuel to a possiblity of a horrible society to live in.

    Luckily we are not at that stage, long may the possibilites stay away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I know @Slog always has plenty to say about Brit Pakistanis, would be interesting to get his view, his friend Varun has already had his say, and most appreciated it was too.
    There's nothing to be said about a failing community at the bottom of most metrics. Happy?

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    While obviously this is a troll/overreaction thread I don't think anyone will argue against the claim that britains best days are behind it

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    There is a strong anti-immigration sentiment in other European countries from what I gather; especially those refuges haven't integrated well into Sweden. Language barrier is also the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    You know, I met a 16 year old girl in Islamabad today who had just moved to Islamabad from East London for a year because her younger brother who was 12 was getting involved into gangs, drugs and the lifestyle you wouldn't want your kid to get involved into. Anyway, as we spoke more, she told me how she was totally against the idea of moving to Pakistan and that her parents had lied To her about only coming for a month. She'd assumed that Pakistani's were illiterate savages who lives in huts, had no idea about what was going on in the world, had no malls, no recreational facilities, nothing! She was astonished we had gyms and knew what Snapchat & Instagram were for crying out loud. I don't blame her though. I've met many other British Pakistanis who didn't have as extreme perceptions.

    My point is, I don't think it's that big of a deal frankly, you might fit in just well, like she probably will. And with the economy growing, jobs are bound to come. Heck, intelligent people still have good jobs. That is just a matter of how good you are. If you're so fed up with what's going on then book the flight to Pakistan but in my humble and honest opinion, I am absolutely adamant that things aren't going to get worse for Pakistanis living in the UK. I understand the fear that inhibits your minds but it is very unlikely
    I don't personally see any of these conditions in the UK which would make it unbearable, that's why I'd like clarification from Rob as to why he sees it going bad over the next few years. I'm sure I could live in Pakistan as well if I wanted to since as you must be aware by now I'm fairly easy going and not the self hating type as most of those who post on here from Pakistan. But would I prefer to? Not at all. I have always defended living in a multicultural society, and Britain at this moment in time is up there with the best. Plus it has first world infrastructure, something that is still a long way off in the subcontinent, even with the most shining, shining countries of that region.

    But good to hear that things are moving okay where you live too. Although I knew it already as must be pretty obvious from my posts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I don't personally see any of these conditions in the UK which would make it unbearable, that's why I'd like clarification from Rob as to why he sees it going bad over the next few years. I'm sure I could live in Pakistan as well if I wanted to since as you must be aware by now I'm fairly easy going and not the self hating type as most of those who post on here from Pakistan. But would I prefer to? Not at all. I have always defended living in a multicultural society, and Britain at this moment in time is up there with the best. Plus it has first world infrastructure, something that is still a long way off in the subcontinent, even with the most shining, shining countries of that region.

    But good to hear that things are moving okay where you live too. Although I knew it already as must be pretty obvious from my posts.
    Of course. And you're making the better decision by staying in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    There is a strong anti-immigration sentiment in other European countries from what I gather; especially those refuges haven't integrated well into Sweden. Language barrier is also the issue.
    Heard from someone that Romanians are creating trouble in Sweden. They beg in the streets and in the trains making locals very uncomfortable. And that the Swedish government is going to deport them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    There's nothing to be said about a failing community at the bottom of most metrics. Happy?
    Yes I agree, it's always fun to look at the failing communities of any countries, UK has it's share. Whether it's Pakistanis, glue sniffers, teenagers in care homes, you name it we can discuss it. But it is nice to have pavements and sewers that work over here, not to mention it's pleasant not to see starving children begging for money because you see, for all Britain is going downhill, the people here still don't have to resort to that.


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    I have never been a Brtis,British desis etc doesn't matter to me religion or not,its the arrogance which the Brit desis get from the British culture which is annoying to me personally find similar issues with Canadian desis as well.

    American and Australian desis are more easy to get along with atleast for me personally although this seems to be changing as well,guess I'm losing patience with age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Honestly speaking things are far from perfect but I would never leave, people overly focus on the negatives with regards to the far right but are ignoring the support for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour which recently cut the Tories majority and caused a hung parliament! so I don't believe the right are getting stronger. Anyhow beyond that, there are opportunities in terms of education for folk of all backgrounds; am in massive student debt but I only start paying it off once am earning 21K + , admittedly waiting times are a bigger pain then ever but we are generally taken care of with regards to our health and there is more tolerance, equality and diversity here then most places. Even recently when we've had so many attacks by radicals, the country has stood together as one; you do have various incidents like acid attacks etc but you'd find that more people are against these heinous crimes and generalisations are not as frequent on both sides of the spectrum. Unemployment and the economy has been hit below the belt, but if the youth leave things won't improve and am not going to say that if folk remain they will automatically bump into a gold mine; whatever you do in life it takes a lot of sacrifice and hard work (dedication! as TMT would say ). In terms of prospects there's a lot of competition but also a lot of variety and potential for growth, we don't always get what we want from the word go it takes time and effort

    I would NEVER go anywhere near Arabs, absolutely despise them and everything they stand for. Astagfirulla hell no, no way, no chance! no chance in hell!
    I don't consider Tory MPs to be fascist. They are democrats. I am thinking of something more sinister - the axis of Dacre, Banks, Farage, UKIP, Britain First, their shadowy associations with Trump and the ultimate puppet master in the Kremlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    You'll only be able to go and get all the benefits you mention if the UK and EU strike a deal re-each other's citizens rights.

    Even going to live/work there, and not simply going as a tourist or on a business visit, will not be possible unless your skills are in demand and someone offers you a job there before you go. That was the whole point of Brexit for the Brexiteers, ie stopping the free movement of people and reducing immigration.
    I think it is more general than that: two fingers up to Johnny Foreigner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I don't consider Tory MPs to be fascist. They are democrats. I am thinking of something more sinister - the axis of Dacre, Banks, Farage, UKIP, Britain First, their shadowy associations with Trump and the ultimate puppet master in the Kremlin.
    You're white anyway, they won't come after you assuming this threat is looming

    What are your actual reasons for leaving at this point in your life ? being an old fella (no disrespect) who has seen it all and arguably the worst ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    I have never been a Brtis,British desis etc doesn't matter to me religion or not,its the arrogance which the Brit desis get from the British culture which is annoying to me personally find similar issues with Canadian desis as well.

    American and Australian desis are more easy to get along with atleast for me personally although this seems to be changing as well,guess I'm losing patience with age.
    Plenty of weird ones around.. Especially those born/ raised here.

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    I get the feeling that some remain voters actually want the country to go to the dogs as that will prove their political views correct. I voted remain (for selfish, financial reasons more so than anything to do with society) however even post Brexit life will go on and the UK will remain an attractive place to live. For every 1 person that wants to leave there are millions more who would jump at the opportunity to live here - the place can't be that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You're white anyway, they won't come after you assuming this threat is looming

    What are your actual reasons for leaving at this point in your life ? being an old fella (no disrespect) who has seen it all and arguably the worst ?
    But they will come for my wife and daughters and many dear friends.

    I'm not leaving. As the song goes: In this green and pleasant kind / where I've made my home / I'll make my stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    But they will come for my wife and daughters and many dear friends.

    I'm not leaving. As the song goes: In this green and pleasant kind / where I've made my home / I'll make my stand.
    Or if you migrate, you say.. That there's some corner of a foreign field / That is for ever England

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Plenty of weird ones around.. Especially those born/ raised here.
    A common (derogatory) term for them is ABCD and BBCD = American/British Born Confused Desi.

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    Sitges in Spain is not a bad place to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBK_Fan View Post
    I voted Brexit, primarily for the benefits it will bring in to the Industry I am in. The trading/hedge fund industry has had a surge in volume with the opportunities created. In the near future, there will be some turnover in the larger banks operating in London, but the smaller ones are expected to do well. The last few months since the vote have fantastic. I don't expect to be moving anywhere till 2022.
    As a trader I am curious, are you a trader? Do you manage a hedge fund??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitges View Post
    As a trader I am curious, are you a trader? Do you manage a hedge fund??
    Derivatives quant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    A common (derogatory) term for them is ABCD and BBCD = American/British Born Confused Desi.
    This is a term I had never heard of before seeing desi message boards. It's probably the equivalent for BBCD derogatory terms for immigrants like 'Freshy'. I would say it reflects that each person is at home in their own surroundings. But generally the traffic is mainly east to west which means those who are born in the west are always in a position of advantage which gives them cultural superiority over the Freshy's 9 times out of 10.


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