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    How would you compare Vivian Richards with Donald Bradman and other ATGs?

    No batsmen ever in the history of cricket posessed the swagger of Sir Vivian Richards.He simply carried a cricket bat like a sword.No cricketer ever exuded the presence or domination of Viv on a cricket field.In full flow he resembled a bulldozer on a cricket field making the impact of a hurricane.No batsmen ever could turn the complexion of a game more than Viv who could handle great pace with such ease and skill like no batsmen ever,Viv was like a boxer,architect and magician moulded into one blending power,skill and innovation at their supreme depth.In his peak period from 1976-81 in my view he wast he best after Bradman averaging over 60 against top quality pace .At time he even looked in a different class from geniuses like Bary Richards,Greg Chapell or Majid Khan.In 1977-78 he averaged 86.2 in WSC supertests a year after he aggregated a record 829 run sat an average of 118.42 in the previous English summer.Few batsmen ever simply blazed awy like Sir Viv who looked like galleon in full sail.Viv did not posess the technical correctness of Boycott ,Greg Chappell or Gavaskar but was still morally the best batsmen of his era.Viv dominated the cricket world for 2 decades at the top when arguably standard of test cricket had reached it's highest zenith.No batsmen could treat great pace with the disdain Viv did who tread their deliveries like playing with toys.Viv intimidated opposing bowlers more than any batsmen ever often reminiscent of a swordsman piercing flesh.I find it had envisaging even Bradman surpassing Viv's batting in the English summer of 1976 which was hard for even metaphors to describe.It is worth reading how Imran Khan and Denis Lille described the experience of bowling to Viv.

    Arguably Viv was the best O.D.I.batsmen of all time as he won and turned games more consistently than Tendulkar,often resembling a stem roller mowing grass.No doubt Tendulkar had greater longevity and many more centuries but did not equal Viv's average impact in games,particularly in finals.I find it hard visualizing Bradman surpassing Viv in One day Cricket.At his best in O.D.I
    s Viv took cricketing genius to it' supreme depth.Debatably no batsmen ever could have surpased his unbeaten 189 at Old Trafford in 1984 or his unbeaten 153 at Melbourne in 1979-80.Viv's strokes simply had the flow of the waves of an Ocean .Significantly in term sof ratio Viv was the best winner of man of the match awards of all batsmen in ODI cricket.

    Statistically overall Viv would rank below the likes of Bradman,Tendulkar,Lara,Gavaskar,Sobers ,Hammond,Hobbs ,Hutton or even Greg Chappell in test cricket but the game is not only about figures.Adding O.D.I. statistics Viv would be considerably boosted but still aggregate well below Sachin.At their best I doubt even Sobers and Tendulkar were as majestic as Viv or debatably even Bradman in terms of domination.Hard to envisage Bradman equal Viv's decimation of the likes of Dennis Lillee in WSC supertests in 1977-78 or when scoring a century of a mere 56 balls against England at Antigua in 1986.I back Viv to have overshadowed Bradman in the bodyline series.Considering the difference in fielding standards and improvement in bowling I doubt Bradman would have surpassed Viv's batting strike rate with his phenomenal impetuosity.Bradman had better technique and concentration but did not posess Viv's reflexes and eye.Overall where the Don would win was his considerably greater consistency and supremacy over other stars of his day.Even if Viv may have overshadowed Bradman at his best consistently or overall Bradman would rate ahead even if he played in the 1970's and 80's.Arguably Viv may not make the all-time test world xi with the like sof Lara and Tendulkar edging him by a whisker.Still I rank him a better match-winner than any batsmen after Bradman and amongst the 5 best match-winners amongst all cricketers.


    What may go against Viv in comparison to the Don was his relative inconsistency in the later part of his career and his being challenged for the spot of supremacy.Like Bradman Viv was not fully tested in a crisis.He also was not so accomplished against great spin bowling.Viv also never faced his the great pace attack of West Indies.Viv never proved himself on wet or bad pitches as Jack Hobbs nor equalled Tendulkar's longevity of supremacy or pressure faced. Overall combining test cricket and O.D.I.performances as a batsmen I would rank Viv as a batsmen just behind Bradman,Hobbs and Tendulkar and as a cricketer behind just Bradman,Grace,Sobers,Hobbs ,Warne and Tendulkar.He was behind Tendulkar by only a whisker.Thus tentatively the 7th best cricketer and fourth best batsmen of all -time.


    Quoting Sycld Berry:

    "Nobody has batted like Richards either. Sure, a few batsmen since his day have hit the ball as hard or harder, like Matthew Hayden or Adam Gilchrist. But nobody has proclaimed such a message as Richards did when he hit the ball. His batting was all power and dominance - his mental power, and the power of an awesomely muscular yet athletic 5' 10" body; and his dominance of the opposition, if not from the moment he made his grand entrance, then from the first ball, when he planted his front foot down the pitch and outside off stump and whipped it through midwicket for four. By the second ball of a Viv Richards innings, if not before, there were few teams who did not recognise that in their midst was a Master."

    "Richards has to rank among the half dozen greatest cricketers of all time. It is not a matter of statistics, although his Test average of 50 was fine enough. It is a matter of what he did with his power and dominance. He not only led West Indies' domination of Test and one-day cricket in the eighties, as invincible captain in the second half of the decade or as the vice-captain, No. 3 batsman and figurehead of Clive Lloyd's side, he also empowered the teams he played for to an extent that has not been sufficiently appreciated. Ask this question about every cricketer you admire: did he leave the teams he represented stronger than when he started? Richards did so, which is why he won my vote ahead of Sir Garfield Sobers as one of the Five Wisden Cricketers of the Century. Sobers was the finer cricketer, no doubt the finest all-round cricketer ever. But Richards had the greater impact, greater even than Lloyd or Sir Frank Worrell, who were his forerunners. "


    Quoting an article in ezine in 2012 by Chirag Naiknavare below:

    "Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards was probably the most destructive batsman of all time. He played his pulverizing shots against the best bowlers of his time and smashed them into submission. Viv Richards made his test debut in 1974, and was immediately recognized as a brilliant fielder. Along with being a deceptive off break bowler, the man was easily the most devastating batsman of all time. His batting gained an aura because of his arrogant and aggressive presence on the field and his swagger while he was walking while batting. This clearly told the opponents that the King was here and they had better watch out. The term "master blaster" was coined to describe Viv Richards. He played 121 test matches and scored 8540 runs, an average of 50.23 with 24 centuries. He still holds the record for the fastest test century ever, which he scored in 56 balls against UK during their 1986 tour of West Indies. He was also a member of the famous West Indies team of the 1970s, which won the first two one-day International World Cups. His batting style and versatility as a fielder and a part time bowler made him an ideal one-day player. He scored his runs in one-day internationals with an average of 47 and a strike rate of 96. He also picked up more than 100 wickets in one-dayers. In 2002, Wisden adjudged him as the greatest ODI batsman of all time. He was also the most successful West Indian captain of all time and never lost a test series as captain."

    "In 1976, West Indies was to visit England for a much awaited test series. The England captain at that time in a bravado stated in the media that he would make the West Indies team grovel with misery. Grovel is a term associated with slavery and the statement did not go down well with the public, media and least of all, the West Indies cricket team. What followed that statement made history as the West Indies annihilated the English team with their four prong pace attack led by Michael Holding and Viv was at his devastating best. He scored more than 1000 runs in the series with a magnificent 291 at Oval to finish things off. West Indies won the series 3-0 and Tony Grieg said later that it was he who felt like groveling off the field. In my opinion, Viv was the best batsman ever against genuine fast bowling and he displayed almost contempt against the best of them, such as Imran Khan and Dennis Lille while hooking and pulling their short pitch stuff with tremendous power. Remember these were the times when helmets were yet to come and eventually when they did arrive, Richards refused to wear them saying he did not need them. Viv Richards retired in 1991 from both forms of international cricket. If you ask any cricketer from his generation who was the greatest batsman of all time, he will invariably say it was Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards."

    "Don Bradman is rated by most as the greatest batsman of all time. He holds a record that can be considered as the greatest sporting achievement in any sport. No prizes for guessing it right; his test match batting average was 99.96. Bradman scored 29 hundreds in 52 matches. That is a hundred every other match, actually, which is unbelievable. For another unbelievable record he hit 12 double hundreds out of the 29. He even hit three double hundreds in a single test series against the archenemy England in 1930. He made centuries in six test matches on the trot. He is also the fastest ever to reach 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 and 6000 runs in test cricket. He fell short of 7000 runs by four runs. This was, incidentally, due to that failure in his last test appearance, when he fell for a duck and came back to the pavilion half laughing due to the irony.

    The only test series where he performed below par was the much maligned bodyline series. In a 1931 visit to Australia, the English captain Douglas Jardine designed a technique called bodyline, primarily for stopping the run machine called Don Bradman. Working on an observation made during a Bradman inning in England, he decided to attack Bradman with short pitch bowling. He, along with selectors, picked three fast bowlers for the tour down under led by Harold Larwood and Bill Voce. This tactic worked well against the Aussies and Bradman. Although Bradman did hit a single hundred to set up an Australian win, they won just that single test match in the series. Aussies were routed in the series. Bradman's batting style changed forever. There was a huge uproar about tactic and a lot has been written about it. However, when I try to imagine Viv Richards in the Don's shoes I feel the tactic would have failed. Viv would have probably hit half the short pitched stuff in the stands. This is conjecture of course, but food for thought nevertheless. This weakness against short pitched bowling is the only flaw one can find in Bradman's repertoire."

    VIV'S RECORDS COMPILED FROM S.RAJESH.

    ODI statistics

    Richards' style of batting suited one-day cricket perfectly. He set himself apart from the rest of the top batsmen of his era with his exceptionally quick scoring in a period where the average rate was much lower. The table below compares the strike rates of top batsmen between 1975 and 1991. Richards was by far the most dominant of the lot, and among players to have scored more than 2000 runs in ODIs, he still remains the only batsman to average more than 40 and possess a strike rate of over 90.

    Comparison of strike rates of top batsmen between 1975 and 1991 (Qual: 4000 runs) Batsman Matches Runs Average Strike rate % better than average SR for period (65.92)
    Viv Richards 187 6721 47.00 90.20 36.83
    Dean Jones 120 4690 48.85 75.07 13.88
    Allan Border 228 5766 31.68 70.26 6.58
    Javed Miandad 180 5795 41.69 68.16 3.39
    Gordon Greenidge 128 5134 45.03 64.92 -1.51

    Richards played 187 ODIs in all, but only 33 of those were in the West Indies. On the other hand, he played more than twice that number in Australia, where he scored 2769 runs in 73 matches. He was by far the finest overseas batsman in Australia between 1975 and 1991.

    ODI Performance of overseas batsmen in Australia (1975-1991) Player Matches Innings Runs Average Strike rate 100s 50s
    Viv Richards 73 67 2769 44.66 84.54 3 24
    Desmond Haynes 76 75 2459 35.63 60.32 4 17
    Gordon Greenidge 43 43 1731 43.27 64.51 3 12
    John Wright 57 57 1541 27.51 53.78 0 12
    Javed Miandad 45 44 1390 33.90 59.40 0 10
    David Gower 42 41 1248 32.84 84.32 4 3


    Throughout his ODI career, Richards was the man for the big occasion. He scored a brilliant unbeaten 138 in the 1979 World Cup final, and played several crucial knocks on major occasions. His overall ODI record and performance in World Cups and finals is summarised below. He averages the highest among batsmen who have scored over 1000 runs in World Cup matches.

    Viv Richards' ODI record Matches Innings Runs Average 100 50
    Overall 187 167 6721 47.00 11 45
    World Cup 23 21 1013 63.31 3 5
    Australian tri-series 65 60 2563 46.60 3 22
    Tournament finals 18 17 836 55.73 1 9

    In the 1984 series against England, Richards made an extraordinary unbeaten 189 out of a total of 272, which is still the highest percentage contribution to a completed team innings. He shared a last-wicket stand of 106 with Michael Holding, which is a record for the 10th wicket. In fact, West Indies did not lose a single ODI when Richards scored a century.

    While batting was clearly his best suit, Richards was also a more-than-useful contributor with the ball, especially in ODIs. He picked up 99 wickets at an average of 32.05 and an economy rate of 4.43; against India his 33 wickets came at fewer than 20 runs apiece. In 1987 against New Zealand, he became the first player to score a century and pick up four wickets in an ODI.

    Richards has the astonishing record of winning 31 Man-of-the-Match awards in just 187 games, which is one award every six games, easily the highest among all players to win more than 25 awards. The table below summarises this record for the top players and clearly establishes Richards as one of the greatest match-winners in ODIs.

    Players with the best rate of MoM awards in ODIs (Qual: 25 MoM awards) Player Total Matches MoM awards Matches per award
    Viv Richards 187 31 6.03
    Sachin Tendulkar 442 61 7.24
    Saeed Anwar 247 28 8.82
    Nathan Astle 223 25 8.92
    Sanath Jayasuriya 444 48 9.25
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    Please stop comparing modern batters with Bradman, separate eras cannot be directly compared.

    Having said that, Sir Viv was the best I ever saw. He had some difficulties against Chandra early on and Qadir toward his end, and Lillee cleaned him up a few times. But on his day, and there were a great many of those, he was imperious, unstoppable. Others averaged fifty in tests at the time but he had that shock factor. Never wore a helmet either.

    My key memory of him was the ODI in England were I think WI were about 60-5. Sir Viv batted with Holding, hitting three boundaries at the start of the over, then taking a single off the fourth or fifth ball, and Holding would block the over out, then Sir Viv was on strike again, and it went on and on and eventually he was not out 180. I felt awe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Please stop comparing modern batters with Bradman, separate eras cannot be directly compared.

    Having said that, Sir Viv was the best I ever saw. He had some difficulties against Chandra early on and Qadir toward his end, and Lillee cleaned him up a few times. But on his day, and there were a great many of those, he was imperious, unstoppable. Others averaged fifty in tests at the time but he had that shock factor. Never wore a helmet either.

    My key memory of him was the ODI in England were I think WI were about 60-5. Sir Viv batted with Holding, hitting three boundaries at the start of the over, then taking a single off the fourth or fifth ball, and Holding would block the over out, then Sir Viv was on strike again, and it went on and on and eventually he was not out 180. I felt awe.
    Sorry if I am repetitive but would you say in test cricket he was ahead of Tendulkar,Lara or Sobers?I think he was marginaly below Hobbs overall and around the 8th best test batsmen of all,a whisker behid Sobers,Lara,Sachin and arguably Sunny.

    To asess greatness we have to draw comparisons from diffident eras.Do read an article by Chirag Naiknavare comapring the Don,Viv and Sachin on ezine.

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    I saw a program on Viv on Sky where a few who played against were calling him the best of all time he was a great batsman one of the quickest and most destructive.
    However his average is half of Bradmans even if he faced better bowling it's impossible to call him better regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric1234 View Post
    I saw a program on Viv on Sky where a few who played against were calling him the best of all time he was a great batsman one of the quickest and most destructive.
    However his average is half of Bradmans even if he faced better bowling it's impossible to call him better regardless.

    Atleast by a whisker he dominated opposing attacks more and likely to have been ahead of Bradman against express pace?

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    Eras can be compared as they overlap in some ways from Hobbs to Hammond Sobers Viv Sachin Lara Sangakarra Smith etc the problem is always Bradman such a statistic will divide opinions in some ways but the difficulty of maintaining a high standard over a long career it will be impossible to call anyone better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric1234 View Post
    Eras can be compared as they overlap in some ways from Hobbs to Hammond Sobers Viv Sachin Lara Sangakarra Smith etc the problem is always Bradman such a statistic will divide opinions in some ways but the difficulty of maintaining a high standard over a long career it will be impossible to call anyone better.
    In pure test cricket was Viv ahead of Lara and Sachin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harsh Thakor View Post
    In pure test cricket was Viv ahead of Lara and Sachin?
    Hard to say it's subjective for longetivity it's Sachin and he had a better average for the first 100 tests Viv was more dominant scored quicker and Lara was known for some big knocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric1234 View Post
    Eras can be compared as they overlap in some ways from Hobbs to Hammond Sobers Viv Sachin Lara Sangakarra Smith etc the problem is always Bradman such a statistic will divide opinions in some ways but the difficulty of maintaining a high standard over a long career it will be impossible to call anyone better.
    If it is such a clear cut obvious thing why do you have no logical explantion for all the questions me and @alizefan have asked you in the other Bradman threads ? Do you have answers to the fast bowling related questions ?

    Your Era comparison theory has also been addressed (to which you don't have any answers). Sobers never played against any fast bowler that bowled to Bradman. But it doesn't stop you from posting that over and over.

    And BTW Tendulkar played Test cricket for 24 years during which period 46% of all Test cricket was played in those 24yrs (1989 Nov till the time he retired in Nov'2013). Thats massive amount of Cricket played that implies massive transition and large no.of players to compete with just in those yrs ... no other cricketer has survived that long and you cant possible have any real equal that can compare with Tendulkar. In Test cricket alone Tendulkar played more than 4 times as much cricket as Bradman. ( 80 inngs vs 329 ) and 3 Times as much cricket as Hobbs. And according to that theory of overlapping players your assumption is that Hobbs was a better player than Tendulkar based on avg. Thats untill footage of Hobbs batting is introduced and anyone who properly understands cricket will tell you that the difference between Tendulkar and Hobbs is sooo large that it makes no sense whatsoever to compare them. Hobbs technique is closer to village cricket Tendulkars on a different planet. How do you conclude that Hobbs would evolve and fit into Tendulkars ERA and succeed just as well as Tendulkar and most importantly play 3 Times as much cricket he did ? Madness.

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    Harsh must be 20 or something. Anyone who saw Viv knows no one comes close. Stats dont tell you everything - the sheer domination and aura. He owned the pitch, great bowlers trembled before him.

    Lara alone has had such presence since. Not as much but something of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Harsh must be 20 or something. Anyone who saw Viv knows no one comes close. Stats dont tell you everything - the sheer domination and aura. He owned the pitch, great bowlers trembled before him.

    Lara alone has had such presence since. Not as much but something of it.
    Check this out : http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ran-Khan/page2

    It has a link in there that tells you how badly Viv did against the Best fast bowlers of his time who were all West Indian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Check this out : http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ran-Khan/page2

    It has a link in there that tells you how badly Viv did against the Best fast bowlers of his time who were all West Indian.
    Silliness and silly revisionism. In international cricket Viv ate quicks alive. Thommo, Lillee, Imran, the English quicks. All and sundry. We agree on the mediocrity of the 1930s etc but the 1970s was modern cricket - true quicks and no helmets. Athletes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Silliness and silly revisionism. In international cricket Viv ate quicks alive. Thommo, Lillee, Imran, the English quicks. All and sundry. We agree on the mediocrity of the 1930s etc but the 1970s was modern cricket - true quicks and no helmets. Athletes!
    No revisionism involved. Those are true facts albeit very inconvenient ones unless you believe that WI fast bowlers from the 70s and 80s were inferior to the rest. There is no doubt whatsoever that Viv had a massive advantage in this regard.

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    Tendulkar averaged 14 against Mcgrath so the point of Viv doing bad against his bowlers can be negated.

    Anyways Viv is the 2nd best batsman of all time for me. Although I can give the different answer tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    No revisionism involved. Those are true facts albeit very inconvenient ones unless you believe that WI fast bowlers from the 70s and 80s were inferior to the rest. There is no doubt whatsoever that Viv had a massive advantage in this regard.
    Please tell me how Viv not facing his own quicks impacts his standing? No international faces his own bowlers in international cricket nor bowler bowls to his own batsmen. That is what FC is for and that is a different kettle of fish.

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    FC stats can't really be ignored.. Fact that Viv had modest record against his bowlers definitely counts against him. But then again Tendulkar was very poor against the best bowler of the era. Lara was poor against pace bowling etc.

    So failing in difficult circumstances is not something unique to Viv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    FC stats can't really be ignored.. Fact that Viv had modest record against his bowlers definitely counts against him. But then again Tendulkar was very poor against the best bowler of the era. Lara was poor against pace bowling etc.

    So failing in difficult circumstances is not something unique to Viv.
    They have no bearing on international standing. Different comp. In internationals Viv was dominant against ALL quicks.

    Pray tell: your ages? I must assume you guys didnt watch Viv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    They have no bearing on international standing. Different comp. In internationals Viv was dominant against ALL quicks.

    Pray tell: your ages? I must assume you guys didnt watch Viv.
    May be for you. I definitely look at both Test and FC tests when judging the player. If Bradman was averaging less in FC then I would doubt his eminence. But the fact that his test record correlates well with FC performances doesn't leave much room for argument.

    I didn't watch Viv live. And I don't doubt you over your opinion. But you can't deny he hung around for far too long and was a fraction of a player he once was in his later years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Tendulkar averaged 14 against Mcgrath so the point of Viv doing bad against his bowlers can be negated.

    Anyways Viv is the 2nd best batsman of all time for me. Although I can give the different answer tomorrow
    Not doing well against one bowler is different from 4.

    Also, averages specifically against a bowler is a meaningless statistic. Averages in matches involving that bowler is much more useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Please tell me how Viv not facing his own quicks impacts his standing? No international faces his own bowlers in international cricket nor bowler bowls to his own batsmen. That is what FC is for and that is a different kettle of fish.
    Because you rate players based on how well they did against the best in the business. Its simple logic really. This is why Tendulkar vs Warne, McGrath, Donald, Steyn, Akhtar , Wasim , MM etc were such epic battles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Not doing well against one bowler is different from 4.

    Also, averages specifically against a bowler is a meaningless statistic. Averages in matches involving that bowler is much more useful.
    Fact remains he completely failed against the best bowler of his time. That counts against him big time.

    And his average in the games involving Mcgrath is nothing to boast about either.
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    Viv is a little overrated in tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    They have no bearing on international standing. Different comp. In internationals Viv was dominant against ALL quicks.

    Pray tell: your ages? I must assume you guys didnt watch Viv.
    Why don't you tell what difference it makes if I form opinion based on footage ? For example his 56 ball hundred is against mediocre bowling. But if you ask anyone they will tell you how great it was and yada yada ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Why don't you tell what difference it makes if I form opinion based on footage ? For example his 56 ball hundred is against mediocre bowling. But if you ask anyone they will tell you how great it was and yada yada ...
    You cannot get a full view in context. Match pressure and the full spectrum of a player. You can only judge those you watched a lot of in real time. Else it is a groundless view.

    That is the curse of our age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Footage is a snippet. You cannot get a full view in context. Match pressure and the full spectrum of a player. You can only judge those you watched a lot of in real time. Else it is a groundless view.

    That is the curse of our age.
    What match pressure would there be between a Eng vs WI match played in the 80s ? In this match which was the last one in a 5-0 Whitewash England were 4-0 down and had conceded a big lead of 150+. Some great "context" or "pressure" situation lol

    My main focus is on batting quality, style etc which most Viv fans keep harping about ... why don't you tell me how this inngs is anywhere close to Sehwags 319 and 309 against the likes of Akhtar and Steyn , Morkel ?

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    1. Talking broadly rather than wrt that 1 innings.
    2. Viv toyed with DKL and Thommo, Imran and Wasim, Willis and Botham etc. To suggest VS was in the same league is crazy and blind nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    1. Talking broadly rather than wrt that 1 innings.
    2. Viv toyed with DKL and Thommo, Imran and Wasim, Willis and Botham etc. To suggest VS was in the same league is crazy and blind nationalism.
    That inngs is the most famous one that Viv fans bring up. But there is no denying that Sehwags inngs were better against much higher quality bowling. Nationalism has nothing to do with it. And also most Viv fans don't tire reminding us how great the WI fast bowlers were.

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    @Harsh Thakor, no disrespect intended but your posts are getting a bit repetitive. They use the same language and format.

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    on a flat pitch? Steyn and Morkel are now equal to DK and Imran? Get a sense and leave the jingoistic mindset.

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    Steyn = DK - maybe. Khan is 10* Morkel (not literally).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Steyn = DK - maybe. Khan is 10* Morkel (not literally).
    Dale Steyn is 10 times the bowler DK ever was. Look up his stats in India. The other 2 bowlers in that match were Ntini and Kallis. Try finding one inngs that Viv played against a bowling attack similar in quality, pace and just half as much runs .

    Other than bluster , condescending attitude and rage there is little else most old era fanatics can bring to the discussion.

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    Ntini and Kallis were nothing special. It is one thing to disregard 1930s amateurs but the 1970s was an era of modern cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Ntini and Kallis were nothing special. It is one thing to disregard 1930s amateurs but the 1970s was an era of modern cricket.
    Both Ntini and Kallis have more than 200 wkts each. Ntini has more wkts than DKL, It's not an easy thing to achieve today as there is no hiding place like having to play only few matches in alien conditions.

    What they don't have is the press ratings. All of that is much harder in the internet age as it will be easier to call out all the over the top statements.

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    Viv Richards scored at least a hundred against all the best bowlers of his time.
    That is against:

    Imran, Lillee, Hadlee, Kapil, Botham, Thomson, Snow, Willis, Qadir, Wasim, McDermott, Underwood, Procter, Garth le Roux, Donald, Danny Morrison, Ashantha de Mel, Somachandra de Silva, VB John, Clive Rice, Bedi, Chandrasekhar, Prasanna, Dilip Doshi, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Iqbal Qasim, Hogg, Pascoe, Gilmour, Walker, Hughes, Alderman, Lawson, Rackemann, Dodemaide, Old, John Lever, Dilley, Fraser, Hendricks, Gibbs, Sobers, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Roberts, Garner, Colin Croft, Walsh, Bishop, Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, Daniel, Tony Gray, Ezra Moseley, Winston Davis, Mallett.

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    Don,Viv,SRT in that order

    G.Chappel,Lara, ABDV in slighty lesser level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricket follower View Post
    Viv Richards scored at least a hundred against all the best bowlers of his time.
    That is against:

    Imran, Lillee, Hadlee, Kapil, Botham, Thomson, Snow, Willis, Qadir, Wasim, McDermott, Underwood, Procter, Garth le Roux, Donald, Danny Morrison, Ashantha de Mel, Somachandra de Silva, VB John, Clive Rice, Bedi, Chandrasekhar, Prasanna, Dilip Doshi, Sarfaraz Nawaz, Iqbal Qasim, Hogg, Pascoe, Gilmour, Walker, Hughes, Alderman, Lawson, Rackemann, Dodemaide, Old, John Lever, Dilley, Fraser, Hendricks, Gibbs, Sobers, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Roberts, Garner, Colin Croft, Walsh, Bishop, Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, Daniel, Tony Gray, Ezra Moseley, Winston Davis, Mallett.
    Wow, thatís an impressive list.

    Wonder why he doesnít get the acknowledgment which he should get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satheesh View Post
    Don,Viv,SRT in that order

    G.Chappel,Lara, ABDV in slighty lesser level
    I agree with you 100 percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satheesh View Post
    Don,Viv,SRT in that order

    G.Chappel,Lara, ABDV in slighty lesser level
    Where would you rank Hobbs and Sobers?

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    I have not seen these old legends live so I can't comment specifically.

    However, I feel that it is pointless to compare players from one generation with players from another generation.


    BANGLADESH FAN
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    Also a great motivator told Sachin after 2007 world cup that he still had it to play the game unlike certain cricket expert told to look into the mirror.


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