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    Is Mohammad Abbas suited for playing regular Test cricket?

    If you ignore numbers, stats and figures for a moment and just look at the man's bowling for just a moment, it is easier than drinking water to concur and come to the realization that that this man is the absolute definition and epitome of mediocrity and dare I say, inability.

    An insult to the world "fast", this bowler casually saunters into the pitch and hopes for the best when delivering the ball. It is beyond my basic understanding what some "experts" see in him but all I say is an unfit trundler bowling at speeds of 125-132 KPH with absolutely no seam movement, no swing, no bounce, no lateral movement, no reverse, absolutely NOTHING at all.

    He doesn't have height of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the run up of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the pace of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the action of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the fitness of a fast bowler, he doesn't have ability of a fast bowler, heck he doesn't even have the attitude. I have not seen a more innocuous bowler in my life!

    The only place I can ever see him being successful is England and that too on a green top with helpful conditions and cloud cover, and I have my doubts about that too, frankly. Not tall/pacy enough for Aus or SA, doesn't swing it enough for UAE, doesn't seam it enough to be find any sort of success in India/Lanka/BD and if he ever plays a Test in Pakistan, I'm sure he simply doesn't have the energy to play in the Lahore heat.

    Lets talk about everyone's favorite topic: Statistics.

    I'm sure a bunch of "experts" are going to question my cricketing knowledge for disregarding this gem that we have unearthed because of his MIGHTY average in a grand total of 4 matches against #7 and #8 ranked teams. But I have the answer for that.

    Out of his 20 wickets in Test matches, FIFTEEN have come against Tailenders. Is he the first ever tailender specialist "fast" bowler? The other 5 wickets? Well, they came against either newbies or the wicket of a batsman after he'd played 150+ delivery innings.

    I'm sure his average is going to go up once he starts playing better teams and when he at least has 10 matches (I seriously hope this is his last ever international match).

    I personally think Abbas is the absolute worst fast bowler playing Test cricket today. Maybe Shafiul Islam gives him some competition but even then the guy picked up Amla in his last match and also got Elgar cheaply.

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    You are questioning the best fast bowler(from either side) in the recently concluded test match which was played in worse condition for fast bowling just on the basis of speed!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous_guy View Post
    You are questioning the best fast bowler(from either side) in the recently concluded test match which was played in worse condition for fast bowling just on the basis of speed!!!!
    Did you even bother reading half of my post?

    The only wickets that he got in the last match were that of the tailenders. But even if he got a mighty 10 wicket haul in the last match, can you not see his mediocrity in the way he bowls? Ignore pace for a second. The guy has nothing to offer. No bounce, no swing, no seam, nothing. There is absolutely no movement on the ball.

    He can't even hit the deck hard. Even Dammika Prasad was a better bowler..

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    Still better suited than amir when it comes to test cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    If you ignore numbers, stats and figures for a moment and just look at the man's bowling for just a moment, it is easier than drinking water to concur and come to the realization that that this man is the absolute definition and epitome of mediocrity and dare I say, inability.

    An insult to the world "fast", this bowler casually saunters into the pitch and hopes for the best when delivering the ball. It is beyond my basic understanding what some "experts" see in him but all I say is an unfit trundler bowling at speeds of 125-132 KPH with absolutely no seam movement, no swing, no bounce, no lateral movement, no reverse, absolutely NOTHING at all.

    He doesn't have height of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the run up of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the pace of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the action of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the fitness of a fast bowler, he doesn't have ability of a fast bowler, heck he doesn't even have the attitude. I have not seen a more innocuous bowler in my life!

    The only place I can ever see him being successful is England and that too on a green top with helpful conditions and cloud cover, and I have my doubts about that too, frankly. Not tall/pacy enough for Aus or SA, doesn't swing it enough for UAE, doesn't seam it enough to be find any sort of success in India/Lanka/BD and if he ever plays a Test in Pakistan, I'm sure he simply doesn't have the energy to play in the Lahore heat.

    Lets talk about everyone's favorite topic: Statistics.

    I'm sure a bunch of "experts" are going to question my cricketing knowledge for disregarding this gem that we have unearthed because of his MIGHTY average in a grand total of 4 matches against #7 and #8 ranked teams. But I have the answer for that.

    Out of his 20 wickets in Test matches, FIFTEEN have come against Tailenders. Is he the first ever tailender specialist "fast" bowler? The other 5 wickets? Well, they came against either newbies or the wicket of a batsman after he'd played 150+ delivery innings.

    I'm sure his average is going to go up once he starts playing better teams and when he at least has 10 matches (I seriously hope this is his last ever international match).

    I personally think Abbas is the absolute worst fast bowler playing Test cricket today. Maybe Shafiul Islam gives him some competition but even then the guy picked up Amla in his last match and also got Elgar cheaply.
    This is just a hate post admins please take note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    This is just a hate post admins please take note.
    Instead of simply calling me a hater, please enlighten me on what I've said that isn't true. Have not 15 of his 20 wickets come against tailenders? Did he not play against #7 and #8 ranked teams? Is he supremely fit? Does he swing/seam/move the ball? Does he bowl in speeds excess of 135 KPH?

    It's easy to label someone else as a hater. Everything I've said in this post has proof to be backed up with. There isn't going to be a happier man than me if he really does turn out to be as good as some people call for him to be but unfortunately, I don't see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToeCrusher2 View Post
    Still better suited than amir when it comes to test cricket
    I disagree. I would rather have an Amir that goes wicket-less in the odd match than an innocuous trundler who ONLY picks up tail-enders and that too after they've played a long innings. At the very least, Amir looks threatening even on a bad day and is fit.

    This guy defines mediocrity.

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    Not a single wicket against this mediocre Sri Lankan batting attack all morning. Just let the other guys do the damage so tailenders can come on so our beloved Abbas can make merry on the hard work of other bowlers.

    Don't understand what people rate this trundler for. And to think he was supposed to be a specialist for these UAE conditions. Pathetic stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Not a single wicket against this mediocre Sri Lankan batting attack all morning. Just let the other guys do the damage so tailenders can come on so our beloved Abbas can make merry on the hard work of other bowlers.

    Don't understand what people rate this trundler for. And to think he was supposed to be a specialist for these UAE conditions. Pathetic stuff.
    Not sure where you heard this. Most people were saying that he shouldn't play Tests in UAE as conditions don't really provide assistance (i.e. lateral movement) for his type of pacers.


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    Has been feasting on tailenders.

    Don't see why he's playing over someone like Bashir on UAE pitches. What do you expect trundlers to do here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Has been feasting on tailenders.

    Don't see why he's playing over someone like Bashir on UAE pitches. What do you expect trundlers to do here?
    Absolutely. Or even Ehtisham Sultan.

    Like I've mentioned in my original post, the ONLY pitches where he can be successful is green tracks under cloud cover in England. And even then he'd be one of the inferior bowlers. 15 of his 20 wickets have been tailenders..

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    He is the best pakistani test pacer we have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Not sure where you heard this. Most people were saying that he shouldn't play Tests in UAE as conditions don't really provide assistance (i.e. lateral movement) for his type of pacers.
    Before he made his debut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    He is the best pakistani test pacer we have.
    He is most definitely not. He is a tailender bully at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Absolutely. Or even Ehtisham Sultan.

    Like I've mentioned in my original post, the ONLY pitches where he can be successful is green tracks under cloud cover in England. And even then he'd be one of the inferior bowlers. 15 of his 20 wickets have been tailenders..
    Ehtisham needs to play FC first. Bashir has FC performance behind him. He was arguably the best bowler in the last domestic season.


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    Honestly, I wasn't super impressed with him when I first saw him on the WI tour. But he did get wickets so his selection is justified (for now). I don't expect him to be a long-term solution but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    He is most definitely not. He is a tailender bully at best.
    Lol , and we even struggle to remove the tailenders.

    He is the best test pacer we have , we do not have good pacers at the moment. Amir is LOI specialist and wahab is rubbish.


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    5 wickets in the last match and dont be surprised if he ends up getting five more in this match.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Instead of simply calling me a hater, please enlighten me on what I've said that isn't true. Have not 15 of his 20 wickets come against tailenders? Did he not play against #7 and #8 ranked teams? Is he supremely fit? Does he swing/seam/move the ball? Does he bowl in speeds excess of 135 KPH?

    It's easy to label someone else as a hater. Everything I've said in this post has proof to be backed up with. There isn't going to be a happier man than me if he really does turn out to be as good as some people call for him to be but unfortunately, I don't see that.
    If SL had someone to wrap up tail quickly, Pak would have been chasing 200+



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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Absolutely. Or even Ehtisham Sultan.

    Like I've mentioned in my original post, the ONLY pitches where he can be successful is green tracks under cloud cover in England. And even then he'd be one of the inferior bowlers. 15 of his 20 wickets have been tailenders..
    12 , 11 if you consider jason holder a tailender.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    12 , 11 if you consider jason holder a tailender.
    I think you're not counting the Nightwatchmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I think you're not counting the Nightwatchmen.
    Va singh 3
    Hetmyer 1
    KC braithwite 1
    Dorwich 1
    Chase 1
    Holder 1
    None of them is a tailended


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    give him more chances; he has earned them

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I disagree. I would rather have an Amir that goes wicket-less in the odd match than an innocuous trundler who ONLY picks up tail-enders and that too after they've played a long innings. At the very least, Amir looks threatening even on a bad day and is fit.

    This guy defines mediocrity.
    So you'd take the guy who can't even take tailenders wickets???

    Don't know where you got the idea that he can't swing or seam the ball, I guess you weren't watching the WI series or even the last match where he reverse swung the ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Va singh 3
    Hetmyer 1
    KC braithwite 1
    Dorwich 1
    Chase 1
    Holder 1
    None of them is a tailended
    Singh and Hetmyer were newbies anyway with Dorwich having no innings to suggest he's a good batsman. The only credible wicket was that of Holder. Even Chase had scored a big knock before getting out.

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    He is a good selection. Just unlucky so far in this test match


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Singh and Hetmyer were newbies anyway with Dorwich having no innings to suggest he's a good batsman. The only credible wicket was that of Holder. Even Chase had scored a big knock before getting out.
    Lol , clutching at the straws dude.

    8 out of his 15 wickets were not tailenders in his first test series. Give the guy a break. We arent exactly producing test class fast bowlers at the moment.


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    The absolute worst fast bowler playing in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    The absolute worst fast bowler playing in 2017.
    A bit OTT. The guy wasn't that accurate today but did you see the away seaming jaffa he produced at the end. Had Chandi in all sort of trouble


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    A bit OTT. The guy wasn't that accurate today but did you see the away seaming jaffa he produced at the end. Had Chandi in all sort of trouble
    If you bowl that many overs, even you'd be able to produce the occasional 'jaffa'. And my claim is not based on today's performance, he could have ran through the Sri Lankan batting lineup and I would still have e the same opinion. He is the most innocuous, most harmless, dibbly dobbly fast bowler I have ever seen. He doesn't even have the body language of a fast bowler, let alone the ability or even the attitude.

    I genuinely cannot think of a worse fast bowler playing today. Even the likes of Pradeep have something to offer. Like I said earlier, maybe Shafiul Islam is almost as bad but at least the guy picked up Amla and Elgar cheaply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    If you bowl that many overs, even you'd be able to produce the occasional 'jaffa'. And my claim is not based on today's performance, he could have ran through the Sri Lankan batting lineup and I would still have e the same opinion. He is the most innocuous, most harmless, dibbly dobbly fast bowler I have ever seen. He doesn't even have the body language of a fast bowler, let alone the ability or even the attitude.

    I genuinely cannot think of a worse fast bowler playing today. Even the likes of Pradeep have something to offer. Like I said earlier, maybe Shafiul Islam is almost as bad but at least the guy picked up Amla and Elgar cheaply.
    U r agenda is very obvious.

    Backing amir who is a passenger in this series with all kind of excuses and crying on the only pacer who got wickets.

    U were waiting for a day to went u r anger as u r favorite is being outbowled by a rookie pacer

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachin100 View Post
    U r agenda is very obvious.

    Backing amir who is a passenger in this series with all kind of excuses and crying on the only pacer who got wickets.

    U were waiting for a day to went u r anger as u r favorite is being outbowled by a rookie pacer
    This irony in this post is strong.

    Abbas is good when the pitch has a bit of help. Unfortunately his pace renders him helpless on flat wickets. Deserves to get a good run though until we find a better pacer with similar skill-set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    This irony in this post is strong.

    Abbas is good when the pitch has a bit of help. Unfortunately his pace renders him helpless on flat wickets. Deserves to get a good run though until we find a better pacer with similar skill-set.
    So instead of appreciating the one who got wickets he is giving excuses after excuses for his favorite.

    Before starting this thread he ranted on the match thread about the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachin100 View Post
    So instead of appreciating the one who got wickets he is giving excuses after excuses for his favorite.

    Before starting this thread he ranted on the match thread about the same thing.
    I believe you are imagining the support for Amir. And I dont blame you for it, you have a right to be miffed by the 'golden boy'.

    Anyone who saw today's play can attest to the fact that Abbas was really flat. The commentators were alluding to it in the final session. Not Abbas' fault for effort though, he is just a limited bowler.

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    Not seen much of him but looked very average today along with Amir.

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    He will probably get replaced by Junaid Khan if Junaid keeps showing good things in the One Day matches.

    One good thing that Abbas does is that he bowls a consistent line which means he will always pick a few wickets here and there and be dangerous on tracks that assist the pacers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    This irony in this post is strong.

    Abbas is good when the pitch has a bit of help. Unfortunately his pace renders him helpless on flat wickets. Deserves to get a good run though until we find a better pacer with similar skill-set.
    The nonsense is even stronger.

    Whatever you think should be his weakness, the evidence says otherwise. So far he has bowled in the Windies and the UAE, the flattest pitches imaginable, and he is averaging 20, better than Amir, Hasan Ali, Junaid, Wahab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    The nonsense is even stronger.

    Whatever you think should be his weakness, the evidence says otherwise. So far he has bowled in the Windies and the UAE, the flattest pitches imaginable, and he is averaging 20, better than Amir, Hasan Ali, Junaid, Wahab.
    If he is better than Amir and Wahab then why did he look the worst pacer on show today? Keep in mind this is infront of an out of sorts Amir and a mentally weak Wahab. Shouldn't our 'best' pacer comfortably out bowl these two in their current state even on his average days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachin100 View Post
    U r agenda is very obvious.

    Backing amir who is a passenger in this series with all kind of excuses and crying on the only pacer who got wickets.

    U were waiting for a day to went u r anger as u r favorite is being outbowled by a rookie pacer
    I'm not even supporting Amir here. He can be dropped for all I care. It is Abbas' selection that infuriates me.

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    Any fast bowler will struggle on these wickets pick anyone from Pakistan or even the world and they won't run through teams on the first day on flat unresponsive wickets.

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    Here you go @ExpressPacer

    The "An insult to the world "fast", this bowler " has taken a wicket where other express pacers are struggling


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    He is a good supporting pacer imo

    Problem is we don’t have a strike bowler right now


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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous_guy View Post
    Here you go @ExpressPacer

    The "An insult to the world "fast", this bowler " has taken a wicket where other express pacers are struggling
    Big deal. No point in getting the wicket after all the damage has been done. And anyway, Dickwella is a quick player and therefore, prone to getting out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    If he is better than Amir and Wahab then why did he look the worst pacer on show today? Keep in mind this is infront of an out of sorts Amir and a mentally weak Wahab. Shouldn't our 'best' pacer comfortably out bowl these two in their current state even on his average days?
    I do think he is better than Amir and Wahab, but my claim was more modest, I said he has bowled better, and this is undeniable. As for the argument that he has 'looked the worst' today, and hence every other performance he has ever put in does not matter. Well. Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I'm not even supporting Amir here. He can be dropped for all I care. It is Abbas' selection that infuriates me.
    Keep fuming. He will enjoy a fruitful career.

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    2 wickets at good economy - cant blame him for doing his job


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    2 wickets at good economy - cant blame him for doing his job
    Miggy bhai, can't deny that. Just picked up a tailender. Doing what he does best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    He is a good supporting pacer imo

    Problem is we don’t have a strike bowler right now
    This. He's a support act and outbowling the strike "phaasht" bowlers who aren't getting the same amount of criticism for a) not taking wickets and b) not sharing the workload


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    This. He's a support act and outbowling the strike "phaasht" bowlers who aren't getting the same amount of criticism for a) not taking wickets and b) not sharing the workload
    Fans confuse speed and importance. Wahab has never been more than a support bowler. Amir has effectively become one.

    Your "strike bowler" is whoever bowls the best, taking wickets most often, and for some time going forward that will be Abbas and Hasan.

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    He is doing his job, and has done absolutely nothing to entertain this criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is doing his job, and has done absolutely nothing to entertain this criticism.
    I'd like to think otherwise. His inability and ineffectiveness is quite obvious more often than not. There hasn't been a single spell he's bowled that was captivating. He's largely feasted on tailenders and i think he's going to be exposed once he plays against a better opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I'd like to think otherwise. His inability and ineffectiveness is quite obvious more often than not. There hasn't been a single spell he's bowled that was captivating. He's largely feasted on tailenders and i think he's going to be exposed once he plays against a better opposition.
    When that happens he will deserve to be criticized. For now, there are bigger fish that need frying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I'd like to think otherwise. His inability and ineffectiveness is quite obvious more often than not. There hasn't been a single spell he's bowled that was captivating. He's largely feasted on tailenders and i think he's going to be exposed once he plays against a better opposition.
    U have to worry about others right now because others r worse than him.

    U can lambast him whe other fast bowlers of pak r taking wickets and abbas is leaking runs and not getting wickets.

    U r anger is directed at the wrong person at this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    When that happens he will deserve to be criticized. For now, there are bigger fish that need frying.
    I suppose you're talking about Amir. And while I do agree with most of the criticism he's getting, do we really have a better option at the moment? I wouldn't want to waste a young Hasan Ali on these graveyards and the domestic circuit hasn't exactly been lit up with fast bowling stocks. It's the same Junaid Khan's and Mohammad Irfan's among the wickets again and I'm sure you wouldn't want them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachin100 View Post
    U have to worry about others right now because others r worse than him.

    U can lambast him whe other fast bowlers of pak r taking wickets and abbas is leaking runs and not getting wickets.

    U r anger is directed at the wrong person at this time
    You see, I don't have any personal vendettas to achieve. My point is simple, I don't think Abbas is passionate enough. The way he saunters into bowl with the utmost lethargy is actually quite infuriating because you can see the man isn't even trying his hardest and it shows in his bowling.

    The criticism for Amir isn't uncalled for but I'd still choose him over Abbas because at least he has a few good matches and then a rare bad couple. Abbas on the other hand is average almost every spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    You see, I don't have any personal vendettas to achieve. My point is simple, I don't think Abbas is passionate enough. The way he saunters into bowl with the utmost lethargy is actually quite infuriating because you can see the man isn't even trying his hardest and it shows in his bowling.

    The criticism for Amir isn't uncalled for but I'd still choose him over Abbas because at least he has a few good matches and then a rare bad couple. Abbas on the other hand is average almost every spell.
    Ok. But wait until he fails

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I suppose you're talking about Amir. And while I do agree with most of the criticism he's getting, do we really have a better option at the moment? I wouldn't want to waste a young Hasan Ali on these graveyards and the domestic circuit hasn't exactly been lit up with fast bowling stocks. It's the same Junaid Khan's and Mohammad Irfan's among the wickets again and I'm sure you wouldn't want them back.
    Not just the bowlers, but pretty much the whole team. Abbas is very new and has not done worse than what he was expected to do. For now, I would reserve my criticism for the other players. This is pure scape-goating in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    Fans confuse speed and importance. Wahab has never been more than a support bowler. Amir has effectively become one.

    Your "strike bowler" is whoever bowls the best, taking wickets most often, and for some time going forward that will be Abbas and Hasan.
    No. Abbas is a support act. He does not have the pace or the height to be a strike bowler. Aamir's lack of penetration has made Abbas look better here. Pakistan need to find a couple of genuine strike bowlers and then Abbas would be the perfect foil to do the donkey work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    No. Abbas is a support act. He does not have the pace or the height to be a strike bowler. Aamir's lack of penetration has made Abbas look better here. Pakistan need to find a couple of genuine strike bowlers and then Abbas would be the perfect foil to do the donkey work.
    Right ho. Just like Philander, Asif, and Anderson. I think you have proved my point about confused fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    Right ho. Just like Philander, Asif, and Anderson. I think you have proved my point about confused fans.
    No you haven't. Asif has the height at 6'3" and Anderson was definitely quicker on average pace for a long time. Abbas has neither. . Philander is a strike bowler when he plays in bowler friendly surfaces only. Otherwise he plays second fiddle to Steyn and Rabada


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    He's our best pacer even if that's not saying much.

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    Abbas has done nothing wrong to deserve this abuse. Amir is injured and Wahab is being Wahab.
    Yasir has no support from the other end.

    Its ridicolous to blame Abbas and Yasir

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    This stat never came up for Mohammad Amir, who took 50% of his wickets against Tailenders in England, the narrative was that Amir was a world class bowler, and he was let down by his fielders..

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    I'm not convinced by him and no way he would be in my xi but he has done far better than Amir and other pacers. And these are not the most easiest conditions for seamers.


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    6-24 for Mohammad Abbas against WAPDA to set up a victory for Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited

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    Mohammad Abbas with 5-44 helping SNGPL defend 161 against Lahore Whites

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    He is clearly staking his claim to be a continued part of the international team. Would be interesting to see how he performs against some of the top teams in the world.

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    These will form best test bowling attack:

    Mohammed Abas
    Mohammed Asif
    Sadaf Hussain/Mir Hamza/Sohail Khan
    Yasir Shah

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShahidDar08 View Post
    These will form best test bowling attack:

    Mohammed Abas
    Mohammed Asif
    Sadaf Hussain/Mir Hamza/Sohail Khan
    Yasir Shah
    This would be my preferred attack as well. Amir shouldn't be undroppable.

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    "Tail-ender specialist"


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    Reading the OP was cringe-worthy. I hope the poster who comprised that garbage comes back here to eat his words.

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    In this test he looked like a Xerox copy of philander. Economical and accurate seam bowling.

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    There is a noticeable increase in his pace. Owing to the county stint and work with Was I suppose, he is using the seam of the ball to his advantage and his fitness looks much better. Unlike previously, he isn't lethargically sauntering into the pitch, rather looks agile and athletic. So yes, I take my words back. He looks good. Will be useful in these conditions, I would still much rather have someone like Usman Khan in UAE however.

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    Lol some of the early comments from OP are laughable, No knowledge of cricket

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    OP left with egg on his face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    If you ignore numbers, stats and figures for a moment and just look at the man's bowling for just a moment, it is easier than drinking water to concur and come to the realization that that this man is the absolute definition and epitome of mediocrity and dare I say, inability.

    An insult to the world "fast", this bowler casually saunters into the pitch and hopes for the best when delivering the ball. It is beyond my basic understanding what some "experts" see in him but all I say is an unfit trundler bowling at speeds of 125-132 KPH with absolutely no seam movement, no swing, no bounce, no lateral movement, no reverse, absolutely NOTHING at all.

    He doesn't have height of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the run up of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the pace of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the action of a fast bowler, he doesn't have the fitness of a fast bowler, he doesn't have ability of a fast bowler, heck he doesn't even have the attitude. I have not seen a more innocuous bowler in my life!

    The only place I can ever see him being successful is England and that too on a green top with helpful conditions and cloud cover, and I have my doubts about that too, frankly. Not tall/pacy enough for Aus or SA, doesn't swing it enough for UAE, doesn't seam it enough to be find any sort of success in India/Lanka/BD and if he ever plays a Test in Pakistan, I'm sure he simply doesn't have the energy to play in the Lahore heat.

    Lets talk about everyone's favorite topic: Statistics.

    I'm sure a bunch of "experts" are going to question my cricketing knowledge for disregarding this gem that we have unearthed because of his MIGHTY average in a grand total of 4 matches against #7 and #8 ranked teams. But I have the answer for that.

    Out of his 20 wickets in Test matches, FIFTEEN have come against Tailenders. Is he the first ever tailender specialist "fast" bowler? The other 5 wickets? Well, they came against either newbies or the wicket of a batsman after he'd played 150+ delivery innings.

    I'm sure his average is going to go up once he starts playing better teams and when he at least has 10 matches (I seriously hope this is his last ever international match).

    I personally think Abbas is the absolute worst fast bowler playing Test cricket today. Maybe Shafiul Islam gives him some competition but even then the guy picked up Amla in his last match and also got Elgar cheaply.
    i concur and come to the realization and dare say that there is something yolky on your face...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    There is a noticeable increase in his pace. Owing to the county stint and work with Was I suppose, he is using the seam of the ball to his advantage and his fitness looks much better. Unlike previously, he isn't lethargically sauntering into the pitch, rather looks agile and athletic. So yes, I take my words back. He looks good. Will be useful in these conditions, I would still much rather have someone like Usman Khan in UAE however.
    ya clearly no way we could predict the best bowler in pakistan domestics for a few years running would be a good bowler.

    I think there is still a lot left to wipe off...

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    Oh dear


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    To be fair for the people bumping this thread OP did say England would be one of the few places he would succeed in, so you can’t say his predictions backfired yet..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    To be fair for the people bumping this thread OP did say England would be one of the few places he would succeed in, so you can’t say his predictions backfired yet..
    Yeah but this:
    I personally think Abbas is the absolute worst fast bowler playing Test cricket today. Maybe Shafiul Islam gives him some competition but even then the guy picked up Amla in his last match and also got Elgar cheaply.
    I was never a huge fan of Abbas but really...?


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