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    Is Babar Azam the most over-hyped cricketer in Pakistan's history?

    I have never seen a player hyped this much despite having a nothing test average and an equally mediocre first class average. He is keeping out much better batsman such as Fawad and Salahuddin just because of this hype.


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    Has to be right up there alongside Afridi.

    He has the coach's backing for some mysterious reasons also. Not.


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    Yes,in tests.

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    Atrocious shot in the first innings to get out... and then edges an innocuous off-spinner to leg slip


    Mashallah


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    all hype eventually becomes OTT but the basis of it was justified given what he has been doing in other formats.

    Its clear though that people like me were wrong and that Babar needs more first-class

    He is still what only 22 so he doesn't necessarily have to be the next Michael Bevan just yet


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    The fact that his FC average was around 36 when he made his test debut was more than enough fact that he shouldn't be a part of the test setup yet.

    Pakistan needs to enact minimum criteria for test cricket, batsmen MUST average at least 45 in order to be considered for selection.

    Babar Azam average nearly 50 in LO cricket in the domestic setup and he is doing great in that format. Hopefully, because of his showings in test cricket, it won't affect his confidence levels in LO cricket. PCB sure do know how to destroy a player.

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    Needs to be dropped from the next series.


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    Tests have been a test too far (pardon the pun), still promising in the shorter formats though. Amir's kinda similar in this respect.

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    He's not as good as the site made out to be.

    Babar does look like a solid addition to the ODI team, not sold on him as a Test and T20 player yet.


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    Kid needs more time. I know there are many posters here who want to see young players play, well I want to see young players too but not in the test team unless they are exceptional. We need to select players with averages around the fifty or over the fifty mark in first class cricket. End of. Even if the player is 32 or 31 etc.

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    Deserves more time. He's not great right now, but he can be a solid player if persisted with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts_and_cuts_hard View Post
    Deserves more time. He's not great right now, but he can be a solid player if persisted with.
    He can have as much time he needs while playing domestics. Test match cricket isn't the place for one to hone his skills. Not good enough for test match cricket.


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    His cousin takes that spot imo.

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    I said a few days ago, he should get dropped from the Test format.

    I can understand that this is first or second 'home' series
    But the guy has been awful so far in this test format, look at how Sohail has come in and performed, give someone else the chance.

    He is fine for ODI/T20, but should be dropped from the Test format, 20 matches he has played now? and still hasn't been able to do anything.

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    His one day records are good. But your expectation that it will translate into Test match success is what make him look over-rated. Yuvraj a gun one day player never did well in Tests.

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    Yes he is over hyped but management is equally responsible for his test failures too. Babar is not that Shafiq or Azhar type of slow player. He likes the ball on his bat. I think he will succeed in test cricket if he gets the freedom to play freely like Warner in test cricket. He gets it right when he is in flow.

    I don't want him to be dropped from test team because then, there will be a very high chance that he will go Umar Akmal's or Sohaib Maqsood's or all those LOI specialists way. But at the same time, he needs to improve and play with full freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    His cousin takes that spot imo.
    Atleast his cousin had a test century to fuel the hype... This guy struggles to get into double figures.

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    Need to persist with him. Give him a fixed spot and role in the side rather than shifting him up and down the order.

    And I don't know where he will be getting FC experience when he's still with the LOI teams and will be jetting off to play T20 league cricket outside of that period. Unless the PCB dont give him an NOC he isn't going to play any meaningful 4 day domestic cricket this season.

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    not at all

    Amir was 10x more built up when he first got in. Sharjeel just got as much hype once he started going

    oh and Akhtar, he takes the cake. He had the whole world going


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    That would be Amir.

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    This guy has been in the coaching system since the age of 14

    He was justifiably hyped because of how much he's been worked on

    Embarrassing performances despite a decade of investment

    What NCA does is beyond me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I have never seen a player hyped this much despite having a nothing test average and an equally mediocre first class average. He is keeping out much better batsman such as Fawad and Salahuddin just because of this hype.
    Basically the reasons you pointed out. The guy has been over hyped even though he has done nothing worth of note and he doesn't have a good record in first class.

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    Replace him, hopefully he can return to tests a few years later when he improves his FC average.


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    The talent is there, the application is not. He needs to work on his test game. The temperament and the defense as well as the shot selection. In limited overs cricket, your constantly looking to score runs against more defensive fields so there's less to think about.

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    This is the Pakistan team where players are selected and thrown out of the squad without getting a game. And then there are Akmals

    Well his limited talent and the chances awarded to him, are there cos of he is part of the worst khaandan to play for Pakistan ever, called Akmals [Babar Azam incl.].

    PAkistan has had cricketer families like Mohammed brothers or Rashid brothers[Haroon Rasheed family] but this family takes the cake for wasting so many years and holding up place for many deserving cricketers just because they are politically connected. Even the region these corrupt brothers play for, has incredible talent like Hussain Tallat Malik but they 've ensured only they are allowed to play.

    Babar Azam should'nt have been selected he is now averaging 23, if Usman Salahuddin is dropped without being given a single game, Inzimam should be asked what 'magic spell' Babar Azam has cast on him that he is getting a free run. This is the same team from where Inzimam destroyed career of Asim Kamal after one bad series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkwdpassion View Post
    This is the Pakistan team where players are selected and thrown out of the squad without getting a game. And then there are Akmals

    Well his limited talent and the chances awarded to him, are there cos of he is part of the worst khaandan to play for Pakistan ever, called Akmals [Babar Azam incl.].

    PAkistan has had cricketer families like Mohammed brothers or Rashid brothers[Haroon Rasheed family] but this family takes the cake for wasting so many years and holding up place for many deserving cricketers just because they are politically connected. Even the region these corrupt brothers play for, has incredible talent like Hussain Tallat Malik but they 've ensured only they are allowed to play.

    Babar Azam should'nt have been selected he is now averaging 23, if Usman Salahuddin is dropped without being given a single game, Inzimam should be asked what 'magic spell' Babar Azam has cast on him that he is getting a free run. This is the same team from where Inzimam destroyed career of Asim Kamal after one bad series.
    Couldn't said better.

    Babar however at least some very good performances in LOIs whereas umar akmal after played around 200 matches has not even 10% performances.

    Hence umar akmal in my view the most hyped cricker with almost 0% return.

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    All those people who abused me when I said Babar is just a limited over specialist like Malik and Hafeez please report for some humble pie here

    Thank you

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    Very disappointing.

    Umar Akmal had a more promising start to his test career than what Babar Azam has shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketerB94 View Post
    Yes he is over hyped but management is equally responsible for his test failures too. Babar is not that Shafiq or Azhar type of slow player. He likes the ball on his bat. I think he will succeed in test cricket if he gets the freedom to play freely like Warner in test cricket. He gets it right when he is in flow.

    I don't want him to be dropped from test team because then, there will be a very high chance that he will go Umar Akmal's or Sohaib Maqsood's or all those LOI specialists way. But at the same time, he needs to improve and play with full freedom.
    How is the management to blame ? He was given a long, extended run at 3 and was hyped to the moon by the coach. He's now dropped down to 5 so he's cushioned against the new ball but has still failed.

    He's definitely a promising young talent worth persisting with but its clear he's still finding his game for Test cricket. Its time players take responsibility for their own careers in Pakistan instead of making excuses that management doesn't back them enough - like has been the case with Umar Akmal for eight years.

    This was a big opportunity to cash in on a flat track against a relatively weaker attack but he's had an awful series.

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    He was justifiably given a run based on his age and odi performances but as has been shown hes not ready yet

    Nows time to go back to domestics and then come back Im sure he ll come good 12-18 months down the line

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    Big no. He will come good, is young, has already proven himself in the other formats, is our most technically correct batsman ever.


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    Most overhyped was Umar Akmal

    He's second

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricFan2012 View Post
    Big no. He will come good, is young, has already proven himself in the other formats, is our most technically correct batsman ever.
    Really?


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    He will live up the hype inshaAllah. Already has in ODIs. Just getting started. Have some patience. Our team is in transition.


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    Simple answer, NO. He has played some poor shots in the last few games, which I can’t back him for. However, look at him, he’s a youngster with immense talent. I’m not saying he’s the next Virat Kohli, but when Kohli started in the longest format he wasn’t as good as he is now or in any of the other formats. Babar Azam is the closest Pakistan is ever going to get to a world class batsmen. Just look at how he played in the PSL in Season 2, which impressed the likes of Sanga and Mahela. Look how well he batted against the World XI. Look at his ODI record. All very impressive for a young career.
    Pakistanis have this issue of making heroes overnight, then a few bad performances and they want them to be dropped for ever after. Also suffer from short term memory, as only a few weeks ago they were on about how amazing he is.
    As for Fawad Alam and Sallahudin, there should be a clear pecking order for the test team. Whereby after Azhar Ali the first natural selection should be Fawad Alam. No doubt Sallahudin is higher than Babar too, but in the long run you would expect both of them in that XI.
    For the immediate future, Babar Azam should be rested and given the opportunity to play FC cricket to prove his worth, until then draft in Fawad Alam.
    While your at it drop Shan Masood too.

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    A very good odi player by pakistan standards , needs to improve his longest format game though. Needs to learn to sweep and defend close to pads


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    Haha waleed must be loving this.
    Imgetting irritated how he looks fine at the crease but just gets out. I think it is getting mental now
    Interesting to see if he plays next series
    He will be fine in odis by the way


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    Yes.

    He has Akmal blood which means he can't handle pressure.

    In Tests he is a worse batsman than Hafeez and Farhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    He will live up the hype inshaAllah. Already has in ODIs. Just getting started. Have some patience. Our team is in transition.
    Agree, but would you still play him in our next Test over someone like Usman or maybe an all-rounder?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Square Drive View Post
    Agree, but would you still play him in our next Test over someone like Usman or maybe an all-rounder?
    It's fine to bench him depending on the replacement.


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    He needs to sort his career out, he is going the same way as many others in the past...Umar Akmal comes to mind...good thing is that Babar does not have the same attitude or mouth like him. He looks very correct technically but he needs to sort his mind / temperament. I think he will come good, but he can't seem to switch between white ball and test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    He will live up the hype inshaAllah. Already has in ODIs. Just getting started. Have some patience. Our team is in transition.
    Sri Lanka has been destroyed literally by every other opposition, a team that is down in the dumps, worst pitch for fast bowling and still a batsman Babar Azam averages 9.75 for the series incl. a duck, shows there is too much manipulation going on behind the scene to keep this garbage.

    @shoaib

    If i'm not wrond his strike rate for T20 and ODI is'nt that fantastic.
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    very poor . could cost a match here needed atleats an 50 here . he has been a waste in this test side


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    This guy has been in the coaching system since the age of 14

    He was justifiably hyped because of how much he's been worked on

    Embarrassing performances despite a decade of investment

    What NCA does is beyond me
    Haha yeah it’s not like he is your best batsman in one days and 20s.... Totally wasted investment....

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    He needs to be dropped ASAP. Not only is he hurting Pakistan, his own confidence will take a huge take hit as he is an important part of the Pakistani ODI team.

    He has been absolutely pathetic in this test series and his overall test career is nothing to write home about either. He performed worse than Shan Masood and Sami Aslam...that itself is a shame.

    I think Akmal genes in him are starting to show. The whole family is just mentally not strong enough. It's a shame because they all have immense talent, but they lack the mental strength to succeed at this level.

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    Harsh to say he is overhyped as he has done well in the shorter formats.

    However it's too early for him to be playing Test cricket. He needs to do more in domestic cricket and prove his credentials for 5-day cricket.

    The Pakistan think tank got it wrong, they should have picked Usman Salahuddin for this series.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Harsh to say he is overhyped as he has done well in the shorter formats.

    However it's too early for him to be playing Test cricket. He needs to do more in domestic cricket and prove his credentials for 5-day cricket.

    The Pakistan think tank got it wrong, they should have picked Usman Salahuddin for this series.
    Mind-boggling some of the decisions they have made this series. Persistence with Masood, not debuting Asghar or Salahuddin, and playing Amir for 2 Test when he was clearly unfit.

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    He is not over hyped but is clearly struggling for form and has been given fair amount of chances now, needs to be put out of his misery and asked to go back to first class cricket to sort out his issues and get some confidence with some decent ODI scores before making claims for a test recall again. Another player deserves a chance now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Kid needs more time. I know there are many posters here who want to see young players play, well I want to see young players too but not in the test team unless they are exceptional. We need to select players with averages around the fifty or over the fifty mark in first class cricket. End of. Even if the player is 32 or 31 etc.
    What's your opinion regarding Haris Sohail?


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    He isn't over hyped. There were some OTT comments from some posters but posters like yourself word critizce him acter 1 failure like he has to score a century in every innings.

    He's going through a rough patch in tests but he will get better and most of your hypocrites on here will be cheering him on. He'll be fine in the long run. If he's dropped I'll understand but I would stick with him for a few more games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    All those people who abused me when I said Babar is just a limited over specialist like Malik and Hafeez please report for some humble pie here

    Thank you
    You make it sound like this Test career is over.

    Be patient and we will see whether you're right or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    You make it sound like this Test career is over.

    Be patient and we will see whether you're right or not.
    I always said players come back better after they are benched, go back rectify their mistakes. However Babar's free run is a license which he should never have had

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    Hopeless against spin and scared of the short ball. Doesn't belong to tests at this stage of his career.

    Sad because he has immense talent. Perhaps Pakistan messed up his confidence batting him at 3 in overseas tours as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Mind-boggling some of the decisions they have made this series. Persistence with Masood, not debuting Asghar or Salahuddin, and playing Amir for 2 Test when he was clearly unfit.
    Spot on. Some questions for my next interview with Mickey Arthur.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabo View Post
    I said a few days ago, he should get dropped from the Test format.

    I can understand that this is first or second 'home' series
    But the guy has been awful so far in this test format, look at how Sohail has come in and performed, give someone else the chance.

    He is fine for ODI/T20, but should be dropped from the Test format, 20 matches he has played now? and still hasn't been able to do anything.
    He is not fine for T20 as well. Only format he is fine for is ODIs. Pakistan should not include him in the squads of Tests and T20s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    All those people who abused me when I said Babar is just a limited over specialist like Malik and Hafeez please report for some humble pie here

    Thank you


    Let's be honest.

    Babar could score 100, 100, 100, 0 and you'd only come to post when he gets the duck.

    BUT yes it might be time to send him back to domestic cricket as a part of his development. The team is all over the place and it's clearly not the environment to develop him.


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    His Test form is not that great - but I would continue to persist with him for now.

    He is very young and talented so I am sure he will come good.

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    Some amount of hype is understandable given the massive drought of decent batsmen in Pakistan. You gotta be bit more patient and hope for the best.

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    Entire history? For that we need to check the events right from first day of cricket played in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post


    Let's be honest.

    Babar could score 100, 100, 100, 0 and you'd only come to post when he gets the duck.

    BUT yes it might be time to send him back to domestic cricket as a part of his development. The team is all over the place and it's clearly not the environment to develop him.
    Thank you

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    To be frank, he is not as there have been many who have been hyped more on this forum over the years more than him. Babar is extremely talented and will definitely improve and will become a good test batsman.

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    This is side effect of playing in uae. Jury is still out there, Can we develop a stroke make or fast bowler in uae, the most important ingredient of cricket team??

    In last 8 year UAE has distoryed youngersters like UA, Jamshed, now Babar. Stroke makers are forced to change there game rather than develop it.

    Same is the case with fast bowler, itís too hot and too soft of a sand to develop fast bowler. Pakistan has hot areas, but UAE is at another level, itís more like Jakabad and Sibi, nobody plays cricket there.

    Now a days in Pindi/ISB people are having light Jacket at night, Even Lahore is very pleasant...

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    If Babar Azam had a most wanted poster let's just say his bounty would've tripled in the last few months going by this thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Spot on. Some questions for my next interview with Mickey Arthur.
    Saj if possible can you ask Micky this as well....

    'If I tell there is a guy in domestic cricket averaging 60 for the last 4 seasons, would you be interested in pursuing the avenue and having a look at the lad?'

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    He is the best batting talent from PAK debuting in FC Cricket this millennium. His ODI start was fantastic, but he couldn't live up to expectation - that doesn't mean he is not a good batsman. His balance is perfect, can play on either feet, either side; apart from playing against quality spin apparently he doesn't have much weakness. Only missing link in his longer game is that he can't focus for long & chooses wrong shot at wrong time - this is because of being groomed in poor FC system.

    Batting is not that one can master at nets or academy, rather it has to be in middle. One example I can give is BD batsmen in SAF - I knew they'll struggle in SAF, but that doesn't mean their technique is poor or preparation was limited. But, they are not accustomed withplaying balls coming at nose height at 140k pace. I know, each of them had practiced at BCB academy against 150k bowling machine, but it hardly helps if that practice isn't executed in FC cricket in the middle.

    For Babar, his FC average of 35-38 in PAK domestics isn't bad, one can check the scorecards should realize that - but those 20s & 30s are quite effective in QEA, where combined 450 total is match winner, but it hardly helps building the batsmen. I am sure he'll make it to the highest level, may be the tougher way. Players like Atapatu, De Silva, Kim Hughes, Atherton, Fleming were far better than their stats, because they had a poor start, but being much better than other alternets, they were carried for long at the start despite poor stats - Babar might end up one such; but he'll make it for sure.

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    Shocking criticism for a solid young player trying to find his feet in test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I have never seen a player hyped this much despite having a nothing test average and an equally mediocre first class average. He is keeping out much better batsman such as Fawad and Salahuddin just because of this hype.
    Agreed. Fawad needs to be back in the team and as vice captain. This injustice will sink Pakistan cricket.

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    Yeah.. same like his cousine (umar akmal)... he was also always over hyped...talented talented talented...but never materialised that so called talent for country...same is the case with this guy..another talent... we dont need these useless talents who can't score when needed... we need runs even from less talented ones...

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    He needs to be given 1 more series. We need to be patient with him after seeing what he did in ODIs.

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    The hype is justified. He is a great prospect. I am actually glad he has to learn test cricket the hard way..hopefully this struggle will help him become a better batsman in all formats. Form is cyclical so I'm not worried about him not getting runs at the moment. He needs to develop strong work ethics and analyze his failures. He will come good. It's not a matter of if but when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    What's your opinion regarding Haris Sohail?
    As many on here probably know, after following my posts regarding sohail, I have been waiting to see. And to be fair to the lad he has done really well in this series. Seemed composed and hit some good shots. But, and this is where I criticise him, he needs to kick on. But a good start in tests. I think we will see a test hundred before a odi hundred. If he does that then I'll start to take serious note. For now I want to see more, under real pressure.

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    He is just an average player. Scored 3 hundreds in super flat pitch against weak WI hyped him some sort of great batsman. He can improve with time in ODI and play anchor role, but can never be dynamic like AB, Kohli, Sanga... But he is not certainly a T20 (fast pace) or Test player (play according to situation in different condition).

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    Why do we have to talk in extremes??
    The guy averages over 50 in ODI cricket . . . fastest to 1000 runs . . runs in Australia, WI, UAE . . has been great in T20s too .

    Why can't we just say that the guy hasn't been great in Test cricket? And perhaps not talk in absolute extremes? Why can't we just say that the guy is playing based on potential . .

    Trust me, if Pakistan selected everyone based on FC record, then we wouldn't have had any legends we have had over the last 40 years! All these legends were selected based on potential and talent!

    Fair enough, he hasn't performed . .
    but is he talented? Yes!
    Did he deserve a go? Yes!
    Did he deliver? No!
    Does he deserve more chances or should he be sent back like Shadab and be selected once he performs in domestic? Up to management . . and up to each persons interpretation . .

    In fact, I'd argue he is one person who has had a proper go before he was dropped . . we tend to drop people after 1 or 2 test matches . . This time, Babar can really go back and reflect . . he got a proper go!

    But these sweeping statements are ridiculous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    He is not fine for T20 as well. Only format he is fine for is ODIs. Pakistan should not include him in the squads of Tests and T20s.
    I too agree that he is not fine for T20s and if he is to play that format he should only open, isn't suited at 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Spot on. Some questions for my next interview with Mickey Arthur.
    Lol this is one interview I can't wait for!!

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    No surprise that he's being selfish again and keeping the team from achieving healthy run rate yet Rameez is singing praises like he's on 84 from 68.
    42 off 68, woefully awful.

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    Hehehe there have been more overhyped people from his family namely cousin Umar Akmal who played for 7 years on hype, holding up a place which many Pakistani cricketers deserved.

    Babar Azam also does'nt deserve to be in the team. Azam is bad if the opposition is top 5 ranking team and pitch is not of UAE. His stint in CT was reason enough he is not long-term investment much like his cousins. How pathetic his footwork was on CT flat wicket compared to natural seaming wickets of UK which he did'nt play on. His average is mostly thanks to West Indies and his strike rate is the worst in the world.
    Last edited by MenInG; 13th October 2017 at 14:04.

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    Babar holding the innings together atm - think a few people have some issues about him


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    Another selfish 50 coming up for Babar with a Strike rateof 60... this should keep his place in the side in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Babar holding the innings together atm - think a few people have some issues about him
    Holding innings back.

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