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    Donald Trump thanks Pakistan for helping to free Canadian man, family

    President Donald Trump thanked Pakistan Thursday for their collaboration in rescuing Canadian Joshua Boyle and his family after they spent five years held in captivity by a Taliban-associated group.
    Bit of an achievement to rescue someone after 5 years.

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    President Trump thanked the government of Pakistan on Thursday for its cooperation in rescuing an American woman and her family held captive by terrorists for five years, and said he hopes their release will usher in a new period of "cooperation and teamwork" between the two countries.

    "The Pakistani government's cooperation is a sign that it is honoring America's wish that it do more to provide security in the region, and I want to thank the Pakistani government. We want to thank Pakistan," Trump said before signing an executive order on healthcare.

    "They worked very hard on this, and I believe they're starting to respect the United States again. It's very important. I think a lot of countries, right now, are starting to respect the United States of America once again."


    "We hope to see this type of cooperation and teamwork in helping secure the release of remaining hostages and in our future, joint counterterrorism operations," the president continued.

    Pakistan's military said Thursday they secured the release of Caitlan Coleman, her husband Joshua Boyle, and their three children.

    Coleman and Boyle, who is Canadian, were captured by terrorists while they were hiking in Afghanistan in 2012. They had since been held by the Haqqani network, a terrorist organization that has ties to the Taliban, in Pakistan.

    Coleman was seven months pregnant with the couple's first child when they were abducted, and had all three of their children while in captivity.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pr...rticle/2637298


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    Why were an American/Canadian couple, along with their three children, hiking in Afghanistan in 2012?

    That's like swimming in shark infested waters with bags of blood oozing shark bait attached to their waists.


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    Nice little face saving drama from teh americans. This family were in afghanistan for five years. Just digest that. Five years. What were the americans doing about it? Suddenly when their relationship with Pakistan is in trouble they pull this little rabbit out of the hat. praise Pakistan in public so that they can restart whatever games they want to play in the region. I hope the Pakistani establishment isnt stupid to fall for this charade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Why were an American/Canadian couple, along with their three children, hiking in Afghanistan in 2012?

    That's like swimming in shark infested waters with bags of blood oozing shark bait attached to their waists.
    Apparently all 3 children were born during their captivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Bit of an achievement to rescue someone after 5 years.
    Family was kidnapped in Afghanistan and stayed there for all the time.
    Recently they crossed the border and on usa's tip, family was rescued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Nice little face saving drama from teh americans. This family were in afghanistan for five years. Just digest that. Five years. What were the americans doing about it? Suddenly when their relationship with Pakistan is in trouble they pull this little rabbit out of the hat. praise Pakistan in public so that they can restart whatever games they want to play in the region. I hope the Pakistani establishment isnt stupid to fall for this charade.
    Did you read Trump's words? Cant think of anything more insulting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Did you read Trump's words? Cant think of anything more insulting.
    Yes. Disgraceful language. But it does show some desperation...

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    I read this story in today's Times, and the headline was "Family rescued after five years as hostages".

    It was only after reading the small print I found out that it was Pakistani forces who had risked their lives to pull this off with logisitics coming from the US military. Fair play to Trump, he did single out Pakistan as playing a key role, but it's a shame that so many of the British news media downplayed their part as much as possible.


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    Good job by people who risked their lives to rescue this family..

    The bolded statement in the OP reeks of arrogance..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    Apparently all 3 children were born during their captivity.
    Oh. ok.

    Captivity with full marital rights. Understood. So technically, the children are American/Canadian/Afghan citizens.


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    we dont need trumps thanking. take it and shove it. the so called NATO/American military cudnt do in 5 yrs, what we have done in matter of few hours.


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    I believe they're starting to respect the United States again. It's very important. I think a lot of countries, right now, are starting to respect the United States of America once again."
    This guy is full of himself.

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    The USA probably wanted the hostages to go to Pakistan , so Pakistan could get framed if they got killed. That way USA can say Pakistan is haven for militants.

    Key thing to note is when the family were in army hands they were reluctant to board a USA plane and be handed over

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    President Trump thanked the government of Pakistan on Thursday for its cooperation in rescuing an American woman and her family held captive by terrorists for five years, and said he hopes their release will usher in a new period of "cooperation and teamwork" between the two countries.

    "The Pakistani government's cooperation is a sign that it is honoring America's wish that it do more to provide security in the region, and I want to thank the Pakistani government. We want to thank Pakistan," Trump said before signing an executive order on healthcare.

    "They worked very hard on this, and I believe they're starting to respect the United States again. It's very important. I think a lot of countries, right now, are starting to respect the United States of America once again."


    "We hope to see this type of cooperation and teamwork in helping secure the release of remaining hostages and in our future, joint counterterrorism operations," the president continued.

    Pakistan's military said Thursday they secured the release of Caitlan Coleman, her husband Joshua Boyle, and their three children.

    Coleman and Boyle, who is Canadian, were captured by terrorists while they were hiking in Afghanistan in 2012. They had since been held by the Haqqani network, a terrorist organization that has ties to the Taliban, in Pakistan.

    Coleman was seven months pregnant with the couple's first child when they were abducted, and had all three of their children while in captivity.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pr...rticle/2637298
    This guy is literally trying to make it sound like every one is respecting the US because of him. What a narcissist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    The USA probably wanted the hostages to go to Pakistan , so Pakistan could get framed if they got killed. That way USA can say Pakistan is haven for militants.

    Key thing to note is when the family were in army hands they were reluctant to board a USA plane and be handed over
    Apparently CIA surveillance caught the family being transferred to Pakistan and then they were picked up from there after the intel was shared. I think that's what the Chicago Tribune and CNN reported yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    This guy is literally trying to make it sound like every one is respecting the US because of him. What a narcissist.
    Well Pakistan govt seems happy to go along with him so can't really complain.


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    Joshua Boyle, his American wife and three children arrived in Toronto on Friday after being freed from captivity in Pakistan, the Canadian government announced.

    Boyle and his wife Caitlan Coleman were captured by the Taliban while hiking in Afghanistan in 2012, and then turned over to the affiliated militant Haqqani network in Pakistan.

    Boyle said upon arriving back in Canada that the Haqqani network in Afghanistan had killed his infant daughter and raped his wife during the years they were held in captivity.

    The couple was rescued Wednesday, five years after they had been abducted by the Taliban-linked extremist network while in Afghanistan as part of a backpacking trip. Coleman was pregnant at the time and had four children in captivity. The birth of the fourth child had not been publicly known before Boyle appeared before journalists at the Toronto airport.

    “The stupidity and evil of the Haqqani network's kidnapping of a pilgrim and his heavily pregnant wife engaged in helping ordinary villagers in Taliban-controlled regions of Afghanistan was eclipsed only by the stupidity and evil of authorising the murder of my infant daughter,” he said.

    Boyle said his wife was raped by a guard who was assisted by his superiors. He asked for the Afghan government to bring them to justice.

    “God willing, this litany of stupidity will be the epitaph of the Haqqani network,” he said.

    He said he was in Afghanistan to help villagers “who live deep inside Taliban-controlled Afghanistan where no NGO, no aid worker and no government has ever successfully been able to bring the necessary help”.

    On the plane from London, Boyle provided a written statement to The Associated Press saying his family has “unparalleled resilience and determination”. Coleman, who is from Stewartstown, Pennsylvania, sat in the aisle of the business-class cabin wearing a tan-colored headscarf.

    She nodded wordlessly when she confirmed her identity to a reporter on board the flight. In the two seats next to her were her two elder children. In the seat beyond that was Boyle, with their youngest child in his lap. US State Department officials were on the plane with them.

    The handwritten statement that Boyle gave the AP expressed disagreement with US foreign policy.

    “God has given me and my family unparalleled resilience and determination, and to allow that to stagnate, to pursue personal pleasure or comfort while there is still deliberate and organised injustice in the world would be a betrayal of all I believe, and tantamount to sacrilege,” he wrote.

    He nodded to one of the State Department officials and said, “Their interests are not my interests.” He added that one of his children is in poor health and had to be force-fed by their Pakistani rescuers.

    The family was able to leave the plane with their escorts before the rest of the passengers. There was a short delay before everyone else was allowed out.

    “It will be of incredible importance to my family that we are able to build a secure sanctuary for our three surviving children to call a home,” he said in his later statement at the airport. “To try to regain some portion of the childhood that they have lost.”

    Dan Boyle, Joshua's younger brother, said outside the family home in Smiths Falls, Ontario, that he had spoken to his brother a few times in the past few days.

    “He's doing very well. He sounds a lot like how he sounded five years ago. He sounds like he had his head on his shoulders and his wits about him,” he said.

    'Kill the hostage'

    The Canadian government said in a statement they will “continue to support him and his family now that they have returned”.

    “Today, we join the Boyle family in rejoicing over the long-awaited return to Canada of their loved ones,” the Canadian government said.

    Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakaria said the Pakistan Army raid that led to the family's rescue was based on a tip from US intelligence and shows that Pakistan will act against a “common enemy” when Washington shares information.

    US officials have long accused Pakistan of ignoring groups like the Haqqani network. US officials consider it a terrorist organisation and have targeted its leaders with drone strikes. But the Haqqani group also operates like a criminal network. Unlike the militant Islamic State (IS) group, it does not typically execute Western hostages, preferring to ransom them for cash.

    A US national security official, who was not authorised to discuss operational details of the release and spoke only on condition of anonymity, said the US obtained actionable information, passed it to Pakistani government officials, asked them to interdict and recover the hostages and they did.

    President Donald Trump, who previously had warned Pakistan to stop harbouring militants, praised Pakistan for its “cooperation on many fronts”. On Twitter, he wrote Friday that the US is starting to develop “a much better relationship with Pakistan and its leaders”.


    The operation appeared to have unfolded quickly and ended with what some described as a dangerous raid, a shootout and a captor's final, terrifying threat to “kill the hostage”.

    Boyle told his parents that he, his wife and their children were intercepted by Pakistani forces while being transported in the back or trunk of their captors' car and that some of his captors were killed. He suffered only a shrapnel wound, his family said. US officials did not confirm those details.

    'Horrible coincidence'

    A US military official said that a military hostage team had flown to Pakistan on Wednesday prepared to fly the family out. The team did a preliminary health assessment and had a transport plane ready to go, but sometime after daybreak Thursday, as the family members were walking to the plane, Boyle said he did not want to board, the official said.

    Boyle's father said his son did not want to board the plane because it was headed to Bagram Air Base and the family wanted to return directly to North America. Another US official said Boyle was nervous about being in “custody” given his family ties.

    Boyle chose to fly back from Islamabad to Canada on commercial airlines via London.

    He was once married to Zaynab Khadr, the older sister of former Guantanamo Bay detainee Omar Khadr and the daughter of a senior Al Qaeda financier. Her father, the late Ahmed Said Khadr, and the family stayed with Osama bin Laden briefly when Omar Khadr was a boy.

    The Canadian-born Omar Khadr was 15 when he was captured by US troops following a firefight and was taken to the US detention centre at Guantanamo Bay. Officials had discounted any link between that background and Boyle's capture, with one official describing it in 2014 as a “horrible coincidence”.

    The US Justice Department said neither Boyle nor Coleman is wanted for any federal crime. On Thursday, Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said Boyle was not a target of investigation in Canada.

    The Haqqani network had previously demanded the release of Anas Haqqani, a son of the founder of the group, in exchange for turning over the American-Canadian family. In one of the videos released by their captors, Boyle implored the Afghan government not to execute Taliban prisoners, or he and his wife would be killed.

    US officials have said that several other Americans are being held by militant groups in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

    They include Kevin King, 60, a teacher at the American University of Afghanistan in Kabul who was abducted in August 2016, and Paul Overby, an author in his 70s who had traveled to the region several times but disappeared in eastern Afghanistan in mid-2014.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1363777/fa...1-child-killed


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    Apparently all 3 children were born during their captivity.
    Even weirder, why was a pregnant woman hiking in Afghanistan, of all places in the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I read this story in today's Times, and the headline was "Family rescued after five years as hostages".

    It was only after reading the small print I found out that it was Pakistani forces who had risked their lives to pull this off with logisitics coming from the US military. Fair play to Trump, he did single out Pakistan as playing a key role, but it's a shame that so many of the British news media downplayed their part as much as possible.
    the British media have gone out of their way to remain as bias as possible. They have used the words "released" rather than freed to imply some negotiated settlement was reached. They are as anti pakistan as ever.

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    Joshua Boyle arrives to speak to the media with his father Patrick Doyle (R), after arriving with his wife and three children at Toronto Pearson International Airport, nearly 5 years after he and his wife were abducted in Afghanistan in 2012 by the Taliban-allied Haqqani network, in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, October 13, 2017


    A couple held hostage for five years by a Taliban-linked network and forced to raise three children while in captivity were initially targeted for ransom because of the impending birth of their first child, the Canadian man at the heart of the case speculated Saturday.

    Joshua Boyle said he and his wife Caitlan Coleman heard at least half a dozen reasons why they had been snatched from a village in Afghanistan and held against their will by the Haqqani network over the years they were imprisoned.

    The most credible, however, had to do with the fact that Coleman was well into the third trimester of pregnancy at the time of their capture in 2012.

    "As near as we can tell, we were targeted to be kidnapped because it was well-known by the eventual-kidnappers that Caitlan was heavily pregnant," Boyle said in an email sent to the Canadian Press. "They spoke often immediately following the kidnapping that 'America will pay for you very quickly, America will not want to risk the baby is born here in prison."'

    Boyle said Coleman was the obvious focus of the kidnappers during the first few weeks of captivity, seeing him as secondary.

    Kidnappers used to taunt him by saying that the U.S. government was expressing interest in securing Coleman's release while Canadian officials were showing no interest in his plight, Boyle said. There is no indication as to whether the captors were conveying accurate information at the time.

    Their guards' confidence in a "get-rich-quick scam" began to erode by late November, he said, a month after the couple had been seized and several weeks before the child was born at the end of December 2012.

    Coleman would give birth three more times during the following five years, with two of the children surviving and accompanying their parents back to Canada after being liberated by Pakistani commandos.

    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...ticle36590261/

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    Taliban reject rape, murder claims of freed Canadian hostage

    Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said Boyle and Coleman were never separated during their captivity, "precisely due to the fact that the mujahideen did not want to incite any suspicion", but he admitted a baby had died.

    "During a period of detention an incident did take place when the woman became ill. The area was remote, no doctors were present and due to this severe condition, the woman had a natural miscarriage of a girl," Mujahid said in a statement.

    "The allegations floating around in the media have nothing to do with the reality because the said people are now in the hands of our enemy."

    The Haqqani group is headed by Sirajuddin Haqqani, who is also the Afghan Taliban's deputy leader.

    Providing few details, Boyle had said that the death of his daughter and his wife's rape occurred in 2014.

    That was two years after he and Coleman, then "heavily pregnant", were kidnapped in a remote Taliban-controlled area of Afghanistan.

    He said they were in the war-torn country as "pilgrims" helping poor villagers when they were captured.
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1364005/ta...nadian-hostage


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    Good thing we have firmly snubbed the States.


    Go to hell Trump's America.


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    Could they have been doing religious conversion under the guise of helping people?

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    Well done Pak army, very professional! Amazing how they managed to rescue all 5 of them! Some lf them could easily have been killed during the rescue operation!


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    The United States (US) had allegedly readied a team of Navy SEALs to launch a raid in Pakistan ─ much like the 2011 raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad ─ after a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) drone picked up footage of American hostage Caitlan Coleman and her children moving in a militant camp, the New York Times reported.

    The Pakistan Army's recovery of the hostages "within hours of receiving actionable intelligence" from the United States (US) has so far been seen as an indicator of an uptick in the strained Pakistan-US relationship post the announcement of Donald Trump's new South Asia and Afghan strategy. Trump himself had reacted saying Pakistan was "starting to respect the United States again".

    The NYT report, which does not contain any named sources, offers a very different narrative. It goes as far as to claim that the US government had, in fact, pressured Pakistan into rescuing the hostages — with a SEAL team raid in the cards as a backup option in case Islamabad failed to comply.

    The report claims that a CIA drone had last month picked up grainy footage of a young woman and children as it circled an alleged Haqqani network encampment in a remote valley in the Kurram Agency.

    The woman was identified as Coleman by intelligence analysts, a backpacker who was kidnapped by the Haqqani network in Afghanistan in October 2012, along with her Canadian husband Joshua Boyle.

    Explore: Everything you need to know about the kidnapping and recovery of Caitlan Coleman and Joshua Boyle

    SEAL Team 6 was subsequently mobilised to mount a rescue mission which would have violated Pakistani airspace, the publication cited senior American officials as saying. They even began rehearsing for the raid, which was to take place close to where the CIA had originally spotted the family, according to a military official quoted by the NYT.

    However, the operation was called off as some US government officials were not sure that the people spotted by the drones were in fact the abducted hostages, the NYT said. There were also concerns regarding the terrain and the moon, which was reportedly too bright for a nighttime airborne raid, the report said.

    On October 11, 2017, the militants headed to Kohat by road, hostages in tow, upon which US intelligence officials decided to spring into action, the NYT said. A plan to pressure Islamabad was formed by US officials, which President Donald Trump was later briefed on.

    If the Pakistani government declined to act on the information, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson both advocated the idea of a rescue mission by the team of elite Navy SEAL commandos, the NYT said.

    As the militants drove the family out of the camp, United States Ambassador David Hale allegedly delivered "an urgent message" to the government in Islamabad: resolve the issue or the US would.

    According to the NYT, the implication behind the message was that the US would set aside any concerns and launch a raid in Pakistan to free the hostages.

    As Hale conveyed the Trump administration's demands, other senior US officials, including Centcom chief Gen Joseph Votel, were also applying pressure on Islamabad.

    The Pakistan Army acted within hours to intercept the vehicle in a dramatic encounter near Kohat.

    Read more: Pakistan Army describes freeing Canadian-American couple from terrorists

    Residents in Kohat and adjacent tribal areas had told Dawn earlier that drones had been seen flying over the areas for 10 days leading up to the recovery. The drones were also spotted over the Hangu district and Kurram and North Waziristan agencies, according to locals.

    However, according to an Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement released upon the recovery of Coleman, Boyle and their three children last week, US intelligence agencies had "shared their shifting across to Pakistan on October 11, 2017, through the Kurram Agency border".

    The Dawn report cited officials saying that the vehicle carrying the hostages had entered through the Kurram tribal region and then moved to Kohat district. It was intercepted near Nawe Kali, a remote area about 15 kilometres southwest of Kohat.

    Explore: US-Canadian couple, three children freed from terrorist custody in Kohat

    Speaking to NBC News earlier, the Director General ISPR Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor had said: "The vehicle was immobilised with sharp shooting. We destroyed their tires. The hostages remained inside the vehicle. The driver and an accomplice managed to escape to a nearby refugee camp [...] We moved the hostages via helicopter to Islamabad. They were then handed over to US authorities."

    Officials who spoke to Dawn on condition of anonymity, however, had said that one of the kidnappers had been taken into custody, one was injured, and two accomplices had fled.

    One of the hostages, Boyle, described a scene in which gunshots had rang out as he, his wife and their children were intercepted by security forces while being transported in the trunk of their captors' car.

    Boyle told his parents there was a shootout in which some of his captors were killed and said the last words he'd heard from the kidnappers were, "kill the hostages". His father, Patrick, had conveyed this information to reporters after speaking to his son.

    Read more: Canadian-American family, kidnapped in 2012 in Afghanistan, recovered by Pakistan Army

    The CIA declined to comment on the recovery of the hostages, the NYT said, while the Trump administration spun the rescue mission as a win for Pakistan without acknowledging that Islamabad had to be pressured into conducting the operation, the publication alleged.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1364631/us...ily-nyt-report


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    Disputing claims about her rescue, the recently recovered Caitlan Coleman has said that she was in Pakistan for at least a year before she was "rescued" by Pakistan Army in an operation near the Pak-Afghan border earlier this month.

    While speaking to the Toronto Star in her first interview since her recovery, Coleman said: "Right now, everybody’s shunting blame and making claims. Pakistan says no, they were never in Pakistan until the end. The US says, no they were always in Pakistan; it was Pakistan’s responsibility. But neither of those are true."

    She also said that she is certain that they were held in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. "We were not crossing into Pakistan that day. We had been in Pakistan for more than a year at that point."

    Coleman, an American national, revealed in the interview — published on Monday — that the couple were moved to Pakistan immediately after being kidnapped in Afghanistan.

    "They first took us out of Afghanistan; it was several days’ drive," said Coleman, who still wears a hijab after being released. She refused to comment on whether the couple have converted to Islam.

    She said that her kidnappers took them to Miramshah in North Waziristan where they were kept for almost a year, adding that they knew where they were because her husband, Joshua Boyle, could understand some Farsi.

    "It was very bad. My husband and I were separated at that time. He wasn’t allowed to see Najaeshi or spend any time with us."

    Najaeshi Jonah is their oldest son.

    "Then we were moved to the north of Miramshah, to the house of a man who said he was called Mahmoud. He was very nice to Najaeshi and would provide us with amenities [that] we wouldn’t have otherwise," she told the Toronto Star. "He would take Najaeshi out to get him sunlight and nobody else did that at any other point."

    She does not exactly remember the events around her rescue but does recall a gun battle while she was in the trunk of a car.

    "Our first fear — why we were not poking our heads up and yelling for help — was that it was another gang trying to kidnap us. Possibly just part of the Haqqani network fighting with another part. They’re all just bandits," she said about her rescue.

    "You’re a prisoner for so long, you’re so suspicious. I was still thinking we don’t know these people, we don’t know where they’re taking us."

    Of her reaction on realising it was the Pakistani forces and not another group of captors, she said: "I think I was mostly just in shock."

    While revealing details of the rescue, Pakistan Army had said that the family had been moved from Afghanistan into Pakistan the day the operation took place, not earlier.

    Backing her husband's earlier claims of Coleman being raped in captivity and the forced abortion of their child, she said that the assault on her happened because they wanted the couple to stop contacting people who were not their guards or captors.

    The Taliban had refuted the claims, saying that the child had died naturally and that the woman had not been raped in captivity.

    They named their unborn child "Martyr", she said, who was killed because the captors were angry at Boyle for not joining them.

    They killed the child using using high amounts of estrogen in their food and boasted of what they had done, she told the daily.

    Her next two pregnancies were kept secret and the babies were delivered by Boyle using a flashlight.

    "We had a pen they didn’t know about and we were taking little scraps of paper and trying to hand out notes to anyone and everyone that wasn’t one of the guards or commanders involved in killing Martyr," she said regarding the alleged assault against her.

    "But then they took us, separated us, and beat us and that was when the assault on me happened because they wanted us to stop."

    The couple and their children were frequently moved between Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to Coleman. They were usually drugged and kept in the trunk whenever they were moved, she said.

    From their house north of Miramshah, they were then taken to Spin Ghar in Afghanistan. Coleman also shared lighter moments they had in captivity, including naming the places they were kept in.

    They called one "Cat Hotel" because it looked like a hotel to them. She claimed they could see the Pak-Afghan border from there. The kidnappers acquired a Pakistani-styled "jingle truck" from there, told Coleman, and moved them to an area between Kohat and Bannu.

    Their last "home" was named "Dar Al Musa", she said.

    "Outside everyday they were doing some training or something was going on, and some guy was shouting and we laughed because whoever Musa was, he was not doing a good job," she said.

    "He was always yelling, 'No, no, no, Musa Musa.'"

    They were there since November 2016, she said, and were then transferred to the "Mud House" just two days before their recovery.

    Speaking on the couple's decision to have two children in captivity, she said that, among other things, she wanted a large family and they did not know when they would be released.

    "It was a decision we made. We did think about it [...] it’s difficult to explain all the reasons, but, for me, a large part was the fact that it has always been important to me to have a large family," she said.

    "This took our life away from us — this captivity with no end in sight. And so I felt that it was our best choice at that time. We didn’t know if we would have that opportunity when we came back. We didn’t know how long it would be. It was already unprecedented, so we couldn’t say, 'Oh, we’ll only be here a year or six months.'"

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1365936/ca...re-than-a-year

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    Disputing claims about her rescue, the recently recovered Caitlan Coleman has said that she was in Pakistan for at least a year before she was "rescued" by Pakistan Army in an operation near the Pak-Afghan border earlier this month.

    While speaking to the Toronto Star in her first interview since her recovery, Coleman said: "Right now, everybody’s shunting blame and making claims. Pakistan says no, they were never in Pakistan until the end. The US says, no they were always in Pakistan; it was Pakistan’s responsibility. But neither of those are true."

    She also said that she is certain that they were held in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. "We were not crossing into Pakistan that day. We had been in Pakistan for more than a year at that point."

    Coleman, an American national, revealed in the interview — published on Monday — that the couple were moved to Pakistan immediately after being kidnapped in Afghanistan.

    "They first took us out of Afghanistan; it was several days’ drive," said Coleman, who still wears a hijab after being released. She refused to comment on whether the couple have converted to Islam.

    She said that her kidnappers took them to Miramshah in North Waziristan where they were kept for almost a year, adding that they knew where they were because her husband, Joshua Boyle, could understand some Farsi.

    "It was very bad. My husband and I were separated at that time. He wasn’t allowed to see Najaeshi or spend any time with us."

    Najaeshi Jonah is their oldest son.

    "Then we were moved to the north of Miramshah, to the house of a man who said he was called Mahmoud. He was very nice to Najaeshi and would provide us with amenities [that] we wouldn’t have otherwise," she told the Toronto Star. "He would take Najaeshi out to get him sunlight and nobody else did that at any other point."

    She does not exactly remember the events around her rescue but does recall a gun battle while she was in the trunk of a car.

    "Our first fear — why we were not poking our heads up and yelling for help — was that it was another gang trying to kidnap us. Possibly just part of the Haqqani network fighting with another part. They’re all just bandits," she said about her rescue.

    "You’re a prisoner for so long, you’re so suspicious. I was still thinking we don’t know these people, we don’t know where they’re taking us."

    Of her reaction on realising it was the Pakistani forces and not another group of captors, she said: "I think I was mostly just in shock."

    While revealing details of the rescue, Pakistan Army had said that the family had been moved from Afghanistan into Pakistan the day the operation took place, not earlier.

    Backing her husband's earlier claims of Coleman being raped in captivity and the forced abortion of their child, she said that the assault on her happened because they wanted the couple to stop contacting people who were not their guards or captors.

    The Taliban had refuted the claims, saying that the child had died naturally and that the woman had not been raped in captivity.

    They named their unborn child "Martyr", she said, who was killed because the captors were angry at Boyle for not joining them.

    They killed the child using using high amounts of estrogen in their food and boasted of what they had done, she told the daily.

    Her next two pregnancies were kept secret and the babies were delivered by Boyle using a flashlight.

    "We had a pen they didn’t know about and we were taking little scraps of paper and trying to hand out notes to anyone and everyone that wasn’t one of the guards or commanders involved in killing Martyr," she said regarding the alleged assault against her.

    "But then they took us, separated us, and beat us and that was when the assault on me happened because they wanted us to stop."

    The couple and their children were frequently moved between Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to Coleman. They were usually drugged and kept in the trunk whenever they were moved, she said.

    From their house north of Miramshah, they were then taken to Spin Ghar in Afghanistan. Coleman also shared lighter moments they had in captivity, including naming the places they were kept in.

    They called one "Cat Hotel" because it looked like a hotel to them. She claimed they could see the Pak-Afghan border from there. The kidnappers acquired a Pakistani-styled "jingle truck" from there, told Coleman, and moved them to an area between Kohat and Bannu.

    Their last "home" was named "Dar Al Musa", she said.

    "Outside everyday they were doing some training or something was going on, and some guy was shouting and we laughed because whoever Musa was, he was not doing a good job," she said.

    "He was always yelling, 'No, no, no, Musa Musa.'"

    They were there since November 2016, she said, and were then transferred to the "Mud House" just two days before their recovery.

    Speaking on the couple's decision to have two children in captivity, she said that, among other things, she wanted a large family and they did not know when they would be released.

    "It was a decision we made. We did think about it [...] it’s difficult to explain all the reasons, but, for me, a large part was the fact that it has always been important to me to have a large family," she said.

    "This took our life away from us — this captivity with no end in sight. And so I felt that it was our best choice at that time. We didn’t know if we would have that opportunity when we came back. We didn’t know how long it would be. It was already unprecedented, so we couldn’t say, 'Oh, we’ll only be here a year or six months.'"

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1365936/ca...re-than-a-year
    @Lonewarrior i think pakistan army finished the operation within a few minutes congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornbill View Post
    @Lonewarrior i think pakistan army finished the operation within a few minutes congratulations.
    I think i said that we finished the job in few hours.
    meant after getting Intel from CIA/ISI etc.
    also keep in mind a foriegner who was held as hostage, cant distinguish the difference of borders of AF/PAK.
    even if she says she was in pakistan for an year, thn still the responsibility goes to Afghan govt and NATO/US who cudnt locate them for 4 years.
    and dont forgt MOAB was dropped inside afghan border near pakistan.


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    What happened to kidnappers. .
    Oh, they escaped. ..

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