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    Rank the current ODI wicket-keeper batsmen

    Based on batting and wicket-keeping skills both.

    Here's the pecking order in world cricket according to me.

    Quentin De Kock
    Joss Butler
    Johnny Bairstow
    MS Dhoni
    Niroshan Dickwella
    Sarfraz
    Mushfiq Rahim
    Mathew Wade
    Chadwick Walton


    What does PakPassion think? Is QdK the best gloveman in the ODI business? Is Buttler a better ODI 'keeper than Bairstow? Is a declining Dhoni considered effective enough to edge ahead of Dickwella?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    A declining MSD is still more clutch than De Kock/Butler/Bairstow combined.

    Safaraz might no be the best of the lot but he is gold for our Pak team.

    Others are meh.

    Ranking is very difficult because of their team combinations etc. Too lazy to take everything in account give you a ranking

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    A declining MSD is still more clutch than De Kock/Butler/Bairstow combined.

    Safaraz might no be the best of the lot but he is gold for our Pak team.

    Others are meh.

    Ranking is very difficult because of their team combinations etc. Too lazy to take everything in account give you a ranking
    Why do you think de Kock or Bairstow arent clutch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Why do you think de Kock or Bairstow arent clutch?
    Because I've seen em fail in multiple occasions live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Because I've seen em fail in multiple occasions live?
    For example??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    For example??
    WCs/CTs/T20I WCs etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    WCs/CTs/T20I WCs etc.
    Well they have just started off. Not fair to say they aren't clutch unless they fail at their peak.

    Dhoni was miserable too until 2011 WC final.

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    Mushfiq should be on 9th or 10th


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    De Kock is the best wicketkeeper batter in LO cricket.

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    Bairstow doesn't keep in ODIs so it's Quinton.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Mushfiq should be on 9th or 10th
    still better than Sarfraz.

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    Think you've pretty much nailed it with the original post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Mushfiq should be on 9th or 10th
    Not in ODI - check numbers.

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    Jos Buttler
    Quinton De Kock
    Mushfiqur Rahim
    Sarfraz Ahmed
    MS Dhoni
    Niroshan Dickwella
    Mathew Wade
    Last edited by Rayyman; 13th October 2017 at 20:56.

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    QdK
    Buttler
    Mushfiq
    Dhoni
    Dickwella
    Sarfraz
    Walton
    Wade

    - Obviously, Dhoni is at #4 based on current form and ability.

    - Mushfiq is a dumb leader, but he is an extremely underrated batsman.

    Bairstow doesn't keep in ODIs, otherwise he would be #2 after QdK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Well they have just started off. Not fair to say they aren't clutch unless they fail at their peak.

    Dhoni was miserable too until 2011 WC final.
    Dhoni was always a phenomenal player. Between 2004-10 he averaged 50+ at Sr 88 including 7 hundreds. Against Pakistan he averaged 54 @SR of 95.

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    As a batsman J Butler is #1
    As a Keeper Dhoni is still by far the best gloveman

    As an allround keeper batsman, QDK


    Sarfraz Ahmed is so overhyped for his petty 30s and 40s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anindo View Post
    Dhoni was always a phenomenal player. Between 2004-10 he averaged 50+ at Sr 88 including 7 hundreds. Against Pakistan he averaged 54 @SR of 95.
    I mean in ICC tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Not in ODI - check numbers.
    Sorry I was judging him only on wicket keeping merit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Sorry I was judging him only on wicket keeping merit.
    And his Captaincy has a scar on everyone's mind. But, on pure WK_batsman merit, he is actually among very best - after Kok & Butler, you can slot him; though in recent times Butler is struggling with his slogging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    And his Captaincy has a scar on everyone's mind. But, on pure WK_batsman merit, he is actually among very best - after Kok & Butler, you can slot him; though in recent times Butler is struggling with his slogging.
    Yup. Agree with your words.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    And his Captaincy has a scar on everyone's mind. But, on pure WK_batsman merit, he is actually among very best - after Kok & Butler, you can slot him; though in recent times Butler is struggling with his slogging.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Yup. Agree with your words.
    Another ODI hundred for Mushfiq today.


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    I don't think Wade should be in that list. He has been pretty poor in any format over the last year or 2. QDK obviously is doing well and So is Jos Buttler. MS Dhoni has been consistent this year without being spectacular and Mushfiq is doing well for BD. So my top 3 for now will be:

    QDK
    Buttler
    Mushfiq

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    What has Buttler do so far to be rated this high? He's poor in the tests and played a few good innings in meaningless bilaterals. An average in low 30s is nothing special.

    QDK and Bairstow are both number one for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    What has Buttler do so far to be rated this high? He's poor in the tests and played a few good innings in meaningless bilaterals. An average in low 30s is nothing special.

    QDK and Bairstow are both number one for me.
    Bairstow doesn't keep wickets in ODI's. This thread is about ODI wicket keepers.

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    QDK and Buttler.

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    jos butler
    decock
    ms dhoni
    mushfiq
    dickwella
    sarfraz
    mathew wade
    md shehzad (afg)
    chadwik walton

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    Gap of talent between Quinton De Kock and Sarfaraz Ahmed is getting wider.

    Continuous failures of Sarfaraz while Quinton De Kock’s yesterday’s innings of 168 signifies that only one of them will be New Adam Gilchrist. And it is not going to be Sarfaraz. He is already 30+ and I can see his further decline by 2019 WC.

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    lol do we even need to compare them? in terms of batting..

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    What?

    Sarfaraz was never as talented as QDK.

    He has played most of his matches on easy UAE pitches, yet cannot get a 40 average / 90 strike rate score, cannot hit big shots like the saffer, if you've always looked at it with an unbiased eye then you would have known this.


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    No brainer. QDK is the best WK batsman currently.

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    Wider? They have always been galaxies apart. Sarfraz is poor man’s Mushfiq, QdK is Gilchrist 2.0.

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    Never Close but both do a different role for their team


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    There was never any comparison to begin with. Sarfraz is a decent bat but nowhere near QDK. QDK can make it in the team as a bat alone. And yeah, completely different roles.

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    LOL who has ever compared De Kock to Sarfaraz?

    De Kock is once in a generation player and Sarfaraz is ok player, but nothing speciel.

    De Kock glovework is also much better then Sarfaraz.


    Ex Shahid Afridi fan.

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    Lol there was never any comparison between De Kock and Sarfraz. De Kock is a match winner in all formats and potential ATG. Sarfraz is a good keeper batsmen that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Wider? They have always been galaxies apart. Sarfraz is poor man’s Mushfiq, QdK is Gilchrist 2.0.
    Harsh but has the ring of truth.

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    D Kock is batting at different level ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndYeah1 View Post
    Based on batting and wicket-keeping skills both.

    Here's the pecking order in world cricket according to me.

    Quentin De Kock
    Joss Butler
    Johnny Bairstow
    MS Dhoni
    Niroshan Dickwella
    Sarfraz
    Mushfiq Rahim
    Mathew Wade
    Chadwick Walton


    What does PakPassion think? Is QdK the best gloveman in the ODI business? Is Buttler a better ODI 'keeper than Bairstow? Is a declining Dhoni considered effective enough to edge ahead of Dickwella?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
    QDK is the best keeper/batsman over the last 18 months or so.

    I dont think Bairstow has kept wicket in ODIs this year has he? Buttler has kept but his batting as been woeful. Without looking at the numbers, I'd think Sarfraz, Rahim, Dickwella have all probably done more and scored more.

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    Sarfraz's stats are too good for him to be rated so low (still 35+/86+ batting stats), and as Captain he is at 8-2 W/L, with a CT winners medal; but probably his WK is so poor that he is rated so low. To my book, he is probably at 5/6 with Dickwella, but his stocks are falling fast. You have to be really, really poor to be an inferior Gloves-man than Wade & Mushi!!!!

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    1. Quinton De Kock
    2. Jos Butler
    3. MS Dhoni
    4. Sarfraz Ahmed
    5. Mushfiq Rahim
    6. Mathew Wade
    7. Niroshan Dickwella
    8. Chadwick Walton

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    1. Quinton De Kock
    2. Jos Butler
    3. MS Dhoni
    4. Sarfraz Ahmed
    5. Mushfiq Rahim
    6. Mathew Wade
    7. Niroshan Dickwella
    8. Chadwick Walton

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