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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is not a fluke because we have beaten WI comprehensively a thousand times in the last 12 months, but this ranking doesn't mean anything because we have one of the worst batting lineups for T20s that will be exposed against quality teams on flat pitches.

    WI are WT20 champions but the team that won the WT20 doesn't represent them in T20s anymore, and we played on some slow pitches that suit our style of cricket.

    We don't have a single batsman in our T20 lineup who can threaten the opposition. All we have is a bunch of accumulators that will struggle to go past 150 against quality bowlers and fielders.
    Even 150 is enough... for our bowling .....


    Hey Jazba Junoon to himat na haar.......

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    All those posters crying here about our batting, they should realize the best team on display is not the one who is best in every aspect (might be on paper) rather the one which knows its strenghts and weaknesses.

    Pakistan clearly knows its strength is its bowling however, batting is not that weak as people are making it out to be in T20s that is.

    Pakistan's bowling is definitely more capable of restricting the opposition to around 150 regularly than some top heavy batting lineups consistently making 200 or even 175.

    So to me its pretty deserving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    'Kyun Udas Bethay Ho yar Ayoo mein Tumhay mazay ki Dunya ki Seery Karayoo....09007...'

    Just enjoy the success brother, there is a time and place for being pesimmistic. At the moment you're just coming off as nothing but extremely bitter.
    but but but... T20 format and ranking.... both are CRAP !!


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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    @Mamoon is right batting is woeful - won't be able to chase 150-160 against top T20 sides let alone 180-200
    I agree. Always ppl say pak canít chase anything over 150 in T20I or 320+ in ODIs which is true. But they are not letting the opponents to set such target. These ppl who say canít chase also claim ENGLAND has changed their brand of cricket since 2015 CWC. Even England canít set a target of 150+ in t20 or 250+ in Odis in their own den batting first against Sarfraz. England is yet to beat Sarfraz and his men. In summary pak canít chase any mammoth targets, true but they have a captain who ensure that opponents donít set such targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Now are we really going to compare Zampa with Shadab, Imad (no 1 t20 bowler) and Hafeez or even Malik?

    Without a good spinner team is going to struggle in subcontinent and that is what happened to Aus against India.
    Zampa is better then Malik and non chucking Professor

    Imad has dipped a lot after a bright start, personally I don’t think he merits a place in the team, I’d rather asghar or Raza Hasan

    Shadab is better yes


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    Our bowling is easily best in the world in T20Is. We just need to make few changes in our batting line up to become invincibles. This can be an ideal T20 line up.

    1. Fakhar Zaman
    2. Umar akmal (if fit)
    3. Hussain Talat
    4. Shadab Khan
    5. Imad Wasim
    6. Hammad Azam
    7. Faheem Ashraf
    8. Sarfaraz Ahmed
    9. Hassan Ali
    10 Mohammad Amir
    11 Rumman Raes.

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    T20 rankings changes with every game. It's useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Didn't NZ reach the SF's of the T20 WC last year?
    I honestly don't remember


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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    Can't belive im getting more negative then you but it is a fluke

    we played a depleted west indies for that win.


    agree with the rest

    This is the worst t20 batting lineup we have ever had
    In terms of performances, it wasn't a fluke because we didn't ride on luck to win unlike the Champions Trophy, where plenty of things went our way. However, our ranking is very misleading because this is a joke of a batting lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    I agree our batting is a bit suspect but it is not as bleak as you are making it out to be.

    We scored 197/5 just a few games ago against a decent World XI squad. Scored also 170+ against SL on the dustbowls of the UAE.

    If we are put in to bat first on a flat wicket against a good team - we will still make a good score and hope for the bowlers to do enough to defend it. The challenge is when we have to chase large totals due to scoreboard pressure, playing under lights etc.
    World XIs don't tend to perform well most of the times. At least not as good as national teams because the motivation is not there. I won't look too much into that series.

    We didn't score 170+ vs SL in the UAE; we scored it in Lahore where the pitch was a little better than the UAE ones and the boundary was shorter as well. SL were dire with the ball and in the field, and a quality lineup would have piled up more.

    We clearly have one of the worst batting lineups in the world, and not a single batsman of ours gets into any top T20 side.

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    As per some posters, the ICC should already hand us over the WT20 because no batting lineup is a match for us. I really fear for these people. The arrogance is palpable, and their heads are in the clouds after the CT. The imminent reality check is going to hit them very hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    As per some posters, the ICC should already hand us over the WT20 because no batting lineup is a match for us. I really fear for these people. The arrogance is palpable, and their heads are in the clouds after the CT. The imminent reality check is going to hit them very hard.
    A bit over the top don’t you think?
    You feel for these people?
    Their heads are in the clouds after the CT?

    Earth calling Mamoon, come in Mamoon!!

    We’re top of the T20 league and we won the CT 2017 in England..
    We’ve done well of late in both ODI’s and T20’s albeit against poor opposition but the consistency has been good and there are definite improvements in our bowling and fielding.

    These are things to be happy about.

    Leave the batting problems to the coaches and maybe start complaining again if and when we lose again.

    Self analysis and pushing yourself to be better in your field is something to commend but you risk becoming and extremely unhappy person if all you do is undermine people’s achievements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    A bit over the top don’t you think?
    You feel for these people?
    Their heads are in the clouds after the CT?

    Earth calling Mamoon, come in Mamoon!!

    We’re top of the T20 league and we won the CT 2017 in England..
    We’ve done well of late in both ODI’s and T20’s albeit against poor opposition but the consistency has been good and there are definite improvements in our bowling and fielding.

    These are things to be happy about.

    Leave the batting problems to the coaches and maybe start complaining again if and when we lose again.

    Self analysis and pushing yourself to be better in your field is something to commend but you risk becoming and extremely unhappy person if all you do is undermine people’s achievements.
    The CT was based on four games where a lot of things went our way. The T20I ranking is based on bashing poor WI and SL teams. It is good to be happy about it but let's not get overboard. We are far from being a top class side and there are major weaknesses in our team.

    I am not undermining the achievement, I am simply stating that it is not really indicative of what is going to come because we have tougher tests lying ahead. I don't have an issue with people stating that we have done really well over the last few months, but I have a problem with those who claim that only 1-2 teams are capable of beating us right now and even that is a stretch.

    This is the type of delusional and arrogant thinking that I am condemning. Our fans have the tendency of going overboard when they taste a tiny bit of success. Unfortunately it is something that is prevalent in our society as well, we get carried away easily

    It is important to keep things into perspective because there a lot of factors involved in those successes that we take great pride in. It is not just other people's achievements; I also tend to downplay whatever I have achieved in my life so far, and I don't feel unhappy. I feel calm, focused and prepared for failures that can happen any time.

    Anyway, this is turning into philosophical argument now. The point that I am trying to make is that unless we start beating the top teams more frequently, we should abstain from making tall claims. I remember how after we reached the number one ranking in Tests, we were supposed to beat New Zealand in New Zealand and Australia in Australia because we were supposedly the best Test team in the world, but then we all know what happened.

    We got a massive reality check and looks like we are in need of another one.

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    Congrats to Pakistan! Nice job araz

    That said, a certain poster in this thread is either delusional or a troll. Sad, in both cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post

    Have we ever been ranked no.1 in ODI's ? that could be the final frontier


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Cmon India - finish off NZ today so we can really party for a little more time.

    Reminder:

    India v New Zealand series scenarios:

    ∑ India win 3-0 - India 122 points, New Zealand 114 points
    ∑ India win 2-1- New Zealand 121 points, India 118 points
    ∑ New Zealand win 2-1- New Zealand 126 points, India 115 points
    ∑ New Zealand win 3-0 - New Zealand 132 points, India 111 points


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Cmon India - finish off NZ today so we can really party for a little more time.

    Reminder:

    India v New Zealand series scenarios:

    ∑ India win 3-0 - India 122 points, New Zealand 114 points
    ∑ India win 2-1- New Zealand 121 points, India 118 points
    ∑ New Zealand win 2-1- New Zealand 126 points, India 115 points
    ∑ New Zealand win 3-0 - New Zealand 132 points, India 111 points
    Watch this closely - it ain't over!


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    Tense times for Pak fans


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    India is going to lose on purpose so that we lose our ranking


    #Mein inko rolaonga

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    India is going to lose on purpose so that we lose our ranking
    Revenge for Champions Trophy defeat


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    The first time I've been disappointed with India losing😂

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    Really surprising that this is PAKís first time. I hardly follow T20, therefore canít recall when ranking started, but PAK did make the first 2 WC finals, which I think is more creditable than this rank 1, which probably changes every month.

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    Well, like the test format, PPers can brag about it. Who cares how long you hold it ;)


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    So we're number 1 again


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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    So we're number 1 again
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
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    We'll likely lose it back to you in a few days time.

    Really should update rankings once a series has concluded.


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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    India is going to lose on purpose so that we lose our ranking
    And it's done.

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    And its done - Pak are Number one.


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    Where is my biryani? @MenInG


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    at least for a month now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    Where is my biryani? @MenInG

    Of course but waiting to be told that this isnt a big achievement.


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    Didn't deserve it after the performance in the third T20.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Of course but waiting to be told that this isnt a big achievement.
    I am sure plenty in PP will be shortly on that job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    I am sure plenty in PP will be shortly on that job.
    not a big achievement .these t20 rankings are nothing.

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    Pakistan are now on 124 points while New Zealand have slipped from their pre-series 125 points to 120 points.

    Pakistan have regained the top position in the MRF Tyres ICC T20I Team Rankings after having briefly attained the rank during the series between India and New Zealand.

    New Zealand had slipped behind Pakistan after India won the opening match of the three-match series against New Zealand and Pakistan once again find themselves at the top after India completed a 2-1 series win in Thiruvananthapuram on Tuesday.

    Pakistan are now on 124 points while New Zealand have slipped from their pre-series 125 points to 120 points. India retain fifth position with an aggregate of 119 on the points table.

    https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/510879


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    T20 positions are too volatile and they keep changing rapidly as various teams are only within a few points of each other. As one can see the difference between number 1 and number 5 teams is only 6 points. Contrast this with test ranking where the gap between number one and number 2 is a huge 15 points.

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    New Zealand bowlers Ish Sodhi and Trent Boult have made noteworthy gains in the MRF Tyres ICC T20I Player Rankings after the three-match series in India, which the home side won 2-1 on Tuesday.

    Sodhi’s five wickets in the series have lifted him five places to the top-10 for the first time in his career. Left-arm pace bowler Boult, who grabbed six wickets including a haul of four for 34 in the second match in Rajkot which his side won by 40 runs, has reached a career-best 16th position after moving up 14 slots.

    Tim Southee (up five places to 81st) is another New Zealand bowler to move up while opener Colin Munro is a major gainer among batsmen. Munro has gained four places to reach 12thposition after scoring 123 runs in the series including an unbeaten 109 in Rajkot.

    For India, captain Virat Kohli’s 104 runs in the series have helped him consolidate his position at the top of the table as he has gained 13 points and increased the gap with Aaron Finch to 40 points. Openers Rohit Sharma (up three places to 21st) and Shikhar Dhawan (up 20 places to 45th) have also moved up.

    The India bowlers to move in the right direction are pace bowler Bhuvneshwar Kumar (up two places to 26th), leg-spinner Yuzvendra Chahal (up 22 places to 30th) and left-arm spinner Akshar Patel (up 17 places to 62nd).

    Meanwhile, New Zealand have ceded the top place in the MRF Tyres ICC T20I Team Rankings to Pakistan. New Zealand have slipped from 125 to 120 points, with Pakistan taking the top spot at 124 points.

    Boult, who grabbed six wickets including a haul of four for 34 in the second match in Rajkot which his side won by 40 runs, has reached a career-best 16th position after moving up 14 slots.

    New Zealand are ahead of the Windies on decimal points while India have gained three points from the series but remain behind England on decimal points, in fifth place.

    MRF Tyres ICC T20I Team Rankings (as of 8 November, after the India-New Zealand series):

    Rank Team Points

    1 Pakistan 124

    2 New Zealand 120 (-5)

    3 Windies 120

    4 England 119

    5 India 119 (+3)

    6 South Africa 112

    7 Australia 111

    8 Sri Lanka 91

    9 Afghanistan 86

    10 Bangladesh 76

    11 Scotland 67

    12 Zimbabwe 65

    13 UAE 52

    14 Netherlands 49

    15 Hong Kong 46

    16 PNG 39

    17 Oman 38

    18 Ireland 36

    (Developed by David Kendix)

    MRF Tyres ICC T20I Player Rankings (as of 8 November, after the India-New Zealand series):

    Batsmen (top 20)

    Rank (+/-) Player Team Pts Avge S/R Highest Rating

    1 ( - ) Virat Kohli Ind 824 52.86 138 897 v Eng at Edgbaston 2014

    2 ( - ) Aaron Finch Aus 784 37.73 148 892 v Ban at Mirpur 2014

    3 ( - ) Evin Lewis Win 780*! 36.00 155 780 v Eng at Durham 2017

    4 ( - ) Kane Williamson NZ 716 34.50 122 760 v Ban at Napier 2017

    5 ( - ) Glenn Maxwell Aus 700 28.93 165 763 v SL at Colombo (RPS) 2016

    6 ( - ) Alex Hales Eng 690 32.92 135 866 v Ind at Edgbaston 2014

    7= ( - ) Hashim Amla SA 683! 34.51 133 683 v Ban at Potchefstroom 2017

    ( - ) Joe Root Eng 683 39.10 129 750 v Win at Kolkata 2016

    9 (RE) Martin Guptill NZ 679 33.74 130 793 v SA at Hamilton 2012

    10= (-1) Babar Azam Pak 664* 46.80 122 713 v ROW at Lahore 2017

    (-1) M. Shahzad Afg 664 32.34 137 706 v Ire at Greater Noida 2017

    12 (+4) Colin Munro NZ 657 27.84 152 671 v Ind at Rajkot 2017

    13 (-2) Faf du Plessis SA 631 36.09 133 843 v Ban at Mirpur 2015

    14 (-2) Shaiman Anwar UAE 615 31.12 121 636 v PNG at Abu Dhabi 2017

    15 (-2) Eoin Morgan Eng 608 28.65 130 872 v Ind at Old Trafford 2011

    16 (-2) Sabbir Rahman Ban 605 27.59 121 650 v NZ at Bay Oval 2017

    17 (-2) Marlon Samuels Win 604 30.60 115 723 v Ban at Mirpur 2012

    18 (-1) David Warner Aus 586 27.35 139 826 v Win at St Lucia 2010

    19 (-1) Jos Buttler Eng 579 26.68 139 607 v SL at Southampton 2016

    20 ( - ) AB de Villiers SA 574 26.12 135 575 v Ban at Bloemfontein 2017

    Bowlers (top 20)

    Rank (+/-) Player Team Pts Avge Eco Highest Rating

    1 ( - ) Jasprit Bumrah Ind 724 18.40 6.74 764 v Eng at Bengaluru 2017

    2 ( - ) Imad Wasim Pak 719 20.25 6.01 780 v Win at Trinidad 2017

    3 ( - ) Rashid Khan Afg 717! 14.35 5.91 717 v Win at St Kitts 2017

    4 ( - ) Samuel Badree Win 694 17.59 5.79 855 v Pak at Mirpur 2014

    5 ( - ) Imran Tahir SA 691 15.85 6.80 795 v NZ at Auckland 2017

    6 ( - ) Sunil Narine Win 676 20.68 6.02 817 v Pak at St. Vincent 2013

    7 ( - ) M. Rahman Ban 667* 14.92 6.16 695 v SL at Colombo (RPS) 2017

    8= ( - ) Shakib Al Hasan Ban 661 20.65 6.79 672 v Pak at Mirpur 2014

    ( - ) James Faulkner Aus 661 19.00 7.96 688 v SL at Adelaide 2017

    10 (+5) Ish Sodhi NZ 656* 14.50 6.89 663 v Ind at Rajkot 2017

    11 (+1) Mitchell Santner NZ 654* 19.23 6.82 657 v Ind at Rajkot 2017

    12 (-2) M. Naveed UAE 626 17.27 6.06 632 v Afg at Dubai (GCA) 2016

    13 (-2) Hamza Hotak Afg 614 24.68 6.75 627 v Ire at Greater Noida 2017

    14 (-1) Chris Jordan Eng 605 26.19 8.73 628 v Ind at Nagpur 2017

    15 (RE) Adam Milne NZ 604* 23.23 7.37 661 v Pak at Mohali 2016

    16 (+14) Trent Boult NZ 595*! 19.46 8.16 595 v Ind at Trivandrum 2017

    17 (-1) Adam Zampa Aus 592*! 14.81 5.92 592 v Ind at Guwahati 2017

    18 (-1) Mohammad Nabi Afg 579 25.20 7.23 638 v Win at Nagpur 2016

    19 (-1) Ahmed Raza UAE 578! 38.50 6.56 578 v PNG at Abu Dhabi 2017

    20 (-1) T.van der Gugten Net 568 21.16 6.97 605 v Ban at Dharamsala 2016

    All-rounders (top five)

    Rank (+/-) Player Team Pts Highest Rating

    1 ( - ) Shakib Al Hasan Ban 354 408 v Pak at Mirpur 2015

    2 ( - ) Glenn Maxwell Aus 330 388 v SL at Colombo (RPS) 2016

    3 ( - ) M. Nabi Afg 275 286 v Ire at Greater Noida 2017

    4 ( - ) Marlon Samuels Win 270 321 v SL at Mirpur 2014

    5 ( - ) JP Duminy SA 213 276 v Ban at Mirpur 2015

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