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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Ok lets look at it this way.

    Shadab, Hasan, Fakhar, Raees, Shinwari etc just had to play one season of PSL to become international level products and they debuted right after playing their first addition.

    Most of the Indian players recently like Pandya, Bumrah etc had to play 2, 4 seasons atleast to be even considered for selection.
    Who told that IPL can produce talents faster than PSL? Talents have to emerge on their own and only better platforms can help them come into limelight! Shall we say that Pakistan by now would have got an unbeatable/best ever cricket team (10 times better than 2000s Australia and 70s West Indies) if their players/budding talents got chance to play in IPL regularly? No, in that way also you don't want to appreciate IPL/BCCI/Indians! You would have said useless IPL survived because of great Pakistani cricketers!

    So spare poor Indian average talents from comparing to gigantic Pakistani talent (Yes we know that 1 Inzamam or 1 Miandad >>> Sachin + Gavaskar + Dravid + Kohli + Sehwag + Laxman put together! That's the caliber of Pakistani cricketing talent). Because you can't even reason out that Pandya, Bumrah had to compete with already accomplished players in the national side! We know its futile to think like that!

    What a title for this thread! Really you can feel proud of it!

    I know Pakistan always produced best talents and also this forum is the best cricket forum. But if Pakistanis remain humble and appreciate things from else where and utilize judicially they can go long way, poor mentality will block the doors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    They are not the same teams. Totally different set of players barring 1-2. The WT20 winning WI team have thrashed us in our last 3 ICC tournament matches. This current WI side is cannon fodder for most teams unless players like Ewin Lewis etc. fire.

    Once we start playing the better sides regularly, we will lose our number one ranking. Just like how we lost our number one ranking in Tests once we started touring. It could happen to India as well next year, but they are well equipped to perform well away from Asia now - they have the best top 5 in the world.
    They are not the same teams. Totally different set of players barring 1-2.

    Really? This is the World Cup T20 2016 winning squad of WI:

    Sammy, Badree, Benn, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Gayle, Holder, Lewis, Nurse, Ramdin, Russell, Samuels, Simmons, Taylor, Bravo, Fletcher, Narine and Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in UAE in 2016:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Lewis, Samuels, Taylor, Fletcher, Narine, Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in WI in 2017:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Lewis, Samuels, Simmons, Holder, Narine, Pollard

    So 12 players out of the 19 were World Cup T20 winners that we beat. And you're saying that barring 1 or 2 players the world cup winning team of 2016 was a completely different one?? LOL. Gayle has never scored against us in T20s. He never did anything of significance in the WC either. Just the first game where he scored a 100 against england and then all single digit scores. Russell was banned so it's not our fault he wasn't there to play us. The only missing players were Dwayne Bravo and Darren Sammy. That's it. So it's much better to say that barring 1 or 2 players, we beat the WI world cup winning squad 6-1 in T20's over the past year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    They are not the same teams. Totally different set of players barring 1-2.

    Really? This is the World Cup T20 2016 winning squad of WI:

    Sammy, Badree, Benn, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Gayle, Holder, Lewis, Nurse, Ramdin, Russell, Samuels, Simmons, Taylor, Bravo, Fletcher, Narine and Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in UAE in 2016:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Lewis, Samuels, Taylor, Fletcher, Narine, Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in WI in 2017:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Lewis, Samuels, Simmons, Holder, Narine, Pollard

    So 12 players out of the 19 were World Cup T20 winners that we beat. And you're saying that barring 1 or 2 players the world cup winning team of 2016 was a completely different one?? LOL. Gayle has never scored against us in T20s. He never did anything of significance in the WC either. Just the first game where he scored a 100 against england and then all single digit scores. Russell was banned so it's not our fault he wasn't there to play us. The only missing players were Dwayne Bravo and Darren Sammy. That's it. So it's much better to say that barring 1 or 2 players, we beat the WI world cup winning squad 6-1 in T20's over the past year.
    1-2 was just an example, I haven't counted the exact number of players. The point is that WI were missing some big players. Sammy who captained them to two WT20 titles, was not there.

    Russell is a fantastic T20 cricketer and Dwayne Bravo is a very good all-rounder. In addition, Gayle may not have scored a T20 hundred against Pakistan, but that doesn't mean that he will always struggle against us. A WI T20 team with Gayle is stronger than a WI T20 team without Gayle.

    Russell, Bravo, Gayle and Sammy are key players for WI in T20 cricket, and they didn't play against us. Yes it is for different reasons, but the outcome is the same: WI are weaker without him, and they would not have won two World T20 titles without the contribution of these players.

    Besides, apart from WI, we have not had to face many different/quality opposition. World XIs don't usually perform better than international teams and it was just a token series. We did beat England who are a very good team, but it was a one-off game, and SL are minnows now.

    Our number one ranking doesn't mean much unless we prove it against teams like India, Australia, South africa etc. Our batting is very mediocre and we don't have a single batsman who can take the game away from the opposition.

    On 180+ pitches our weak batting will be exposed. We have a bunch of accumulators who cannot go beyond 150 against a pace-heavy team, and that's not good enough. We have one of the worst batting lineups in T20 cricket. Our bowling is good but they are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    There are big holes in the T20 team and our number one ranking doesn't make us the best team in the world. It doesn't mean anything like our number one ranking in Tests because it doesn't reflect the quality of the team. However, it took us less than a year to slide down the Test rankings and I expect the same in T20s.

    Once we start playing against the quality opposition, our poor batting will get exposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    1-2 was just an example, I haven't counted the exact number of players. The point is that WI were missing some big players. Sammy who captained them to two WT20 titles, was not there.

    Russell is a fantastic T20 cricketer and Dwayne Bravo is a very good all-rounder. In addition, Gayle may not have scored a T20 hundred against Pakistan, but that doesn't mean that he will always struggle against us. A WI T20 team with Gayle is stronger than a WI T20 team without Gayle.

    Russell, Bravo, Gayle and Sammy are key players for WI in T20 cricket, and they didn't play against us. Yes it is for different reasons, but the outcome is the same: WI are weaker without him, and they would not have won two World T20 titles without the contribution of these players.

    Besides, apart from WI, we have not had to face many different/quality opposition. World XIs don't usually perform better than international teams and it was just a token series. We did beat England who are a very good team, but it was a one-off game, and SL are minnows now.

    Our number one ranking doesn't mean much unless we prove it against teams like India, Australia, South africa etc. Our batting is very mediocre and we don't have a single batsman who can take the game away from the opposition.

    On 180+ pitches our weak batting will be exposed. We have a bunch of accumulators who cannot go beyond 150 against a pace-heavy team, and that's not good enough. We have one of the worst batting lineups in T20 cricket. Our bowling is good but they are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    There are big holes in the T20 team and our number one ranking doesn't make us the best team in the world. It doesn't mean anything like our number one ranking in Tests because it doesn't reflect the quality of the team. However, it took us less than a year to slide down the Test rankings and I expect the same in T20s.

    Once we start playing against the quality opposition, our poor batting will get exposed.
    Starting off with WI, Gayle has never scored against Pakistan. He has a Test average of 31, an ODI average of 28 and a T20 average of 3.6 against Pakistan over his career. It's fair to assume that Pakistan is completely his bogey team. He may win an occasional game against Pakistan but surely he won't win them a series. He's also has done zilch for WI over the past 2 years in the international setup and WI does not rely on him at all now. His presence or absence makes no difference. Russell was banned so its not our fault. It's like saying India whitewashing Sri Lanka is no achievement because Sri Lanka didn't have Mahela, Sanga and Dilshan in their team. The fact is we beat a majority-world-cup-stocked WI team 6-1 in T20s. That's a great achievement!!! It's stupid to degrade that.

    Coming to our number 1 ranking. Our number 1 ranking is based on the FTP calendar that we have. Is it our fault that we haven't played a lot of T20s against the likes of India, Australia, England and SA? The fact is that we have won more than 60% of our matches in the last 3 years and that is why we are number 1. That is an achievement that should not be discarded. In the last 3 years India have lost 4 matches out of 9 played against WI and Sri Lanka while during the same period we have lost only 1 T20 in 13 matches against the same Sri Lankan and WI sides. It's a shame if you don't give credit to us for that but elevate India's performances.

    No one is getting carried away and saying we will blast everyone in sight now that we are number 1. We are number 1 based on our sheer performances and that needs to be commended and applauded. Not sulk in by lowering the achievements of our cricketers. Tougher challenges await and it's highly likely that we will lose once we play in Australia/NZ/SA. There are deficiencies in our team that needs to be ironed out which is clear as daylight. However not everything has to be doom and gloom.

    Lastly a cricket game consists of bowling, batting and fielding. To focus simply on batting and conclude that Pakistan will lose most games against quality opposition is unfair. While we may have a weak batting lineup, we tend to compensate that with our bowling. That has always been our pattern since we probably started playing cricket. You cannot pass judgment on a cricket team based on one facet of cricket. It's like discarding Mourinho's teams if he doesn't have great strikers.

    To express your opinion that we may slide down the T20 rankings is fair and you have a right to do that but what irks people here is the constant degradation of Pakistan's achievements be it our Test ranking of number 1 or the T20 one. We should revel in our rankings right now but remain level headed to understand that there is a lot of work to be done.

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    Chris Gayle to ply his trade in Bangladesh Premier League

    The cricketing fraternity was in a state of shock when Chris Gayle went unsold in the players’ draft of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) last week.

    While social media went abuzz over Gayle’s ouster, many felt that the recent off-form has led to such a sorry state for the West Indies star.

    But all that is in the past now!

    Keeping faith in his star power, Rangpur Riders - one of the major franchises of the Bangladesh Premier League (BPL) - has got in Gayle in its ranks. With the franchise not doing too well in the tournament, the team management believes Gayle’s arrival will help them turn the tide.

    Gayle is supposed to join the team on Thursday, while another foreign recruit for the side - Brendon McCullum - will reach on Wednesday. “Gayle is still the king of T20s. I don’t know why he went unsold in the Pakistan Super League. His presence will lift the team and it will be a morale booster for the side,” Rangpur Riders CEO, Ishtiaq Sadek, told Sportstar on Tuesday.

    It is learnt that both Gayle and McCullum will be available for the side’s next match against Comilla Victorians on Sunday.

    Earlier, there were uncertainties over the availability of Gayle as the dates of BPL were coinciding with the now-postponed Global T20 League in South Africa. “But now, with the South Africa league postponed, Gayle will be playing nine matches for us. His inclusion will be a good thing as he can change the colour of a game on any given day,” Sadek said.

    Rangpur Riders, coached by Tom Moody and captained by Mashrafe Mortaza, hasn’t done too well (of the three games, it has only won in one) and it would be hoping to mend the odds with Gayle’s arrival

    http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricket...le20445400.ece

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    OP's title is very wrong. Gayle has now entered his latter, or end stage of career, and even struggled in IPL this year.

    And Gayle is a curious case, he did nothing in the first 3 seasons, went completely unsold in 4th season, only to be brought as a replacement to injury by RCB. And the rest is history, he had some wonderful couple of seasons, however recently it's all back to struggles whether IPL or PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Their top 3 is better than our entire batting lineup, and they are not going to fall cheaply every time. Kohli alone has destroyed us a few dozen times over the years, the Champions Trophy final was a just a one-off failure for him against us.
    few dozen times, have they even played with us few dozen times over the years?

    and if they are gonna fall cheaply or not, time will tell --- since when have you become fortune teller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imran1976 View Post
    few dozen times, have they even played with us few dozen times over the years?
    Go to www.google.com, type 'figure of speech', and press enter.

    Kohli has put Pakistan to the sword in numerous high profile games. 2012 Asia Cup, 2012 WT20, 2015 World Cup, 2016 Asia Cup, 2016 WT20 and 2017 Champions Trophy (group game).

    He has literally been the difference between India and Pakistan over the last few years. In the last few years, we have beaten India twice only (2017 CT final; 2014 Asia Cup) and on both occasions he fell cheaply, which explains his impact and influence.

    By a 'few dozen times', I wasn't implying that he has destroyed us 12+12+12 times; I was implying that he has outclassed us many times. I thought that would be extremely obvious for anyone who understands enough English to type over the Internet.

    and if they are gonna fall cheaply or not, time will tell --- since when have you become fortune teller?
    I am not a mystic and I am not a fortune-teller, by common sense tells me that India have a superb batting lineup and they are not going to fall like nine pins against us every time. The way we bowled in the CT in successive games against powerful batting lineups is something that is not replicable, unless our current bowling attack is one of the best bowling attacks in history, which I don't think it is. We are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    Unfortunately some of ours fans heads are in the clouds because of the CT success and the bashing of a very poor Sri Lankan outfit. The fact is that we will still lose to teams like India, South Africa, England and Australia more often than not, simply because our batting is very inferior.

    Nonetheless, whenever our fans get overconfident, a reality check is round the corner. I don't know when it will come, could be next series, could be the series after, but our fans are in for a rude awakening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There is not a single player in the world who would prefer to play in the PSL at the expense of the IPL, and the tragedy is that even Pakistani players would most probably prefer to play in the IPL over the PSL.
    You are getting so touchy on any positives about Pakistan cricket. Perhaps, you need to take your blue glasses off.


    Rudi is a useless umpire get rid off him plzzzzz.

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    Most wins Tests: (Pakistan 12; India 9)
    ODIs: (Pakistan 73; India 52)
    T20Is: (India 6; Pakistan 1)


    Rudi is a useless umpire get rid off him plzzzzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    Most wins Tests: (Pakistan 12; India 9)
    ODIs: (Pakistan 73; India 52)
    T20Is: (India 6; Pakistan 1)
    I would happily trade plenty of those bilateral matches for a better head-to-head record in World Cups. The fact that we not beaten India a single time in World Cups is extremely embarrassing. Also, India has won two World Cups unlike us. In addition, they have been ranked number one more times.

    Our head-to-head record in ODIs doesn't mean anything when you factor in the above.

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    2228 (39 innings) Pakistan Javed Miandad 1978–89
    2089 (41 innings) India Sunil Gavaskar 1978–87
    1740 (25 innings) Pakistan Zaheer Abbas 1978–84
    1431 (25 innings) Pakistan Mudassar Nazar 1978–84
    1321 (17 innings) Pakistan Younis Khan 2005–07


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    You are getting so touchy on any positives about Pakistan cricket. Perhaps, you need to take your blue glasses off.
    It is a fact, albeit an uncomfortable one. It is a joke to compare the PSL to the IPL. PSL is nothing but a poor imitation, and it would not have existed if it wasn't for the IPL.

    PSL, BPL, CPL etc. are all copycats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I would happily trade plenty of those bilateral matches for a better head-to-head record in World Cups. The fact that we not beaten India a single time in World Cups is extremely embarrassing. Also, India has won two World Cups unlike us. In addition, they have been ranked number one more times.

    Our head-to-head record in ODIs doesn't mean anything when you factor in the above.
    Very selective memory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is a fact, albeit an uncomfortable one. It is a joke to compare the PSL to the IPL. PSL is nothing but a poor imitation, and it would not have existed if it wasn't for the IPL.

    PSL, BPL, CPL etc. are all copycats.
    Pakistan would not have existed without India either. Human being came into existence due to India too.


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    You can call an Indian supporter or whatever you want. I am simply pointing out a fact that India has achieved more than us in ODIs, including head-to-head because thrashing us in World Cups consistently is worth more than a better head-to-head bilateral record.

    In addition, it is also a fact that the IPL has changed the complexion of the game and has inspired the other T20 leagues like PSL, CPL, BPL etc. Other cricket boards were slow off their feet and only woke up when they saw the success of BCCI's product.

    Anyway, who am I to rain on your parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You can call an Indian supporter or whatever you want. I am simply pointing out a fact that India has achieved more than us in ODIs, including head-to-head because thrashing us in World Cups consistently is worth more than a better head-to-head bilateral record.

    In addition, it is also a fact that the IPL has changed the complexion of the game and has inspired the other T20 leagues like PSL, CPL, BPL etc. Other cricket boards were slow off their feet and only woke up when they saw the success of BCCI's product.

    Anyway, who am I to rain on your parade.
    OK IPL is the biggest league but you cannot say it is the best league, I would put Big Bash and T20 Blast ahead of IPL. Quality of cricket is not that great in IPL. PSL and IPL are about the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    OK IPL is the biggest league but you cannot say it is the best league, I would put Big Bash and T20 Blast ahead of IPL. Quality of cricket is not that great in IPL. PSL and IPL are about the same.
    The quality of a league is measured by the pool of the international stars. IPL has by far the best international talent at their disposal. 90% of the big name players play in the IPL, and the other leagues simply can't compete with IPL when it comes to star power.

    Everything else is subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The quality of a league is measured by the pool of the international stars. IPL has by far the best international talent at their disposal. 90% of the big name players play in the IPL, and the other leagues simply can't compete with IPL when it comes to star power.

    Everything else is subjective.
    Yes purely for reasons other than cricket called "Money". Nothing to do with the quality of cricket and the format that is too boring and dull.


    Rudi is a useless umpire get rid off him plzzzzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The quality of a league is measured by the pool of the international stars. IPL has by far the best international talent at their disposal. 90% of the big name players play in the IPL, and the other leagues simply can't compete with IPL when it comes to star power.

    Everything else is subjective.
    This!!!!! Or the other way around, the proportion of players who are retired, is way higher in PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Nonetheless, whenever our fans get overconfident, a reality check is round the corner. I don't know when it will come, could be next series, could be the series after, but our fans are in for a rude awakening.


    It just sounds like you aren’t a fan at all. You can’t accept success.
    Last edited by UN talkz; 15th November 2017 at 16:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    Yes purely for reasons other than cricket called "Money". Nothing to do with the quality of cricket and the format that is too boring and dull.
    And other players play in PSL because of PSL's quality of cricket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    1-2 was just an example, I haven't counted the exact number of players. The point is that WI were missing some big players. Sammy who captained them to two WT20 titles, was not there.

    Russell is a fantastic T20 cricketer and Dwayne Bravo is a very good all-rounder. In addition, Gayle may not have scored a T20 hundred against Pakistan, but that doesn't mean that he will always struggle against us. A WI T20 team with Gayle is stronger than a WI T20 team without Gayle.

    Russell, Bravo, Gayle and Sammy are key players for WI in T20 cricket, and they didn't play against us. Yes it is for different reasons, but the outcome is the same: WI are weaker without him, and they would not have won two World T20 titles without the contribution of these players.

    Besides, apart from WI, we have not had to face many different/quality opposition. World XIs don't usually perform better than international teams and it was just a token series. We did beat England who are a very good team, but it was a one-off game, and SL are minnows now.

    Our number one ranking doesn't mean much unless we prove it against teams like India, Australia, South africa etc. Our batting is very mediocre and we don't have a single batsman who can take the game away from the opposition.

    On 180+ pitches our weak batting will be exposed. We have a bunch of accumulators who cannot go beyond 150 against a pace-heavy team, and that's not good enough. We have one of the worst batting lineups in T20 cricket. Our bowling is good but they are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    There are big holes in the T20 team and our number one ranking doesn't make us the best team in the world. It doesn't mean anything like our number one ranking in Tests because it doesn't reflect the quality of the team. However, it took us less than a year to slide down the Test rankings and I expect the same in T20s.

    Once we start playing against the quality opposition, our poor batting will get exposed.
    Then why did India lose to the same WI team twice after the WT20?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Then why did India lose to the same WI team twice after the WT20?
    They lost due to a couple of brilliant individual innings by Evin Lewis. Individual brilliance can happen any time anywhere, but more often than not, the better overall team is going to win.

    If India were to play West Indies 10 times, they would win majority of the games because they are a better team.

    Similarly, Pakistan’s bowling attack that won them the Champions Trophy by dismantling three world class batting lineups in a row could not defend 310 against a mediocre West Indies lineup in the first ODI, thanks to a brilliant individual innings by Jason Mohammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    Yes purely for reasons other than cricket called "Money". Nothing to do with the quality of cricket and the format that is too boring and dull.
    Of course it’s about the money, who said it isn’t? Why do you think they are playing in the PSL?

    The IPL’s resources and BCCI’s influence means that no other T20 league can compete with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    It just sounds like you aren’t a fan at all. You can’t accept success.
    I accept success, but with humility.

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    scored 50 today in BPL!


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    scored 50 today in BPL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    scored 50 today in BPL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    And another today
    He's obviously hurt at not being picked by PSL hence he is now making some scores to see what "we are missign out on" but he would have flopped in the PSL anyway just like he has the last 2 years.

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    The way WI batsmen play, UAE will be the last place they can succeed.

    WI batsmen like decent pace and bounce in the wicket. Of course the pitch needs to be flat too. Pitch should not offer any spin either.

    IPL pitches offers all of the above. Most LOI pitches offer all of the above. UAE is different. They are slow and low turners. Little to no pace and the bounce is not available either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    The way WI batsmen play, UAE will be the last place they can succeed.

    WI batsmen like decent pace and bounce in the wicket. Of course the pitch needs to be flat too. Pitch should not offer any spin either.

    IPL pitches offers all of the above. Most LOI pitches offer all of the above. UAE is different. They are slow and low turners. Little to no pace and the bounce is not available either.
    He failed big time last 2 seasons in IPL as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistani pride View Post
    He failed big time last 2 seasons in IPL as well.
    He is old and those reflexes are fading.

    I was commenting on WI batsmen in IPL compared to PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    And another today
    Let him face Hasan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    They lost due to a couple of brilliant individual innings by Evin Lewis. Individual brilliance can happen any time anywhere, but more often than not, the better overall team is going to win.

    If India were to play West Indies 10 times, they would win majority of the games because they are a better team.

    Similarly, Pakistan’s bowling attack that won them the Champions Trophy by dismantling three world class batting lineups in a row could not defend 310 against a mediocre West Indies lineup in the first ODI, thanks to a brilliant individual innings by Jason Mohammed.
    That attack had Wahab in place of Junaid...

    With Wahab in our attack India also made 338 against us.

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    Smashed a hundred today in BPL so he isn't "finished"...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Smashed a hundred today in BPL so he isn't "finished"...
    He is still best T20 bat ... the OP is probably his biggest hater


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    So loss for psl now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    So loss for psl now?
    No, PSL has superior bowlers, was going to flop again


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    He would have failed easily at PSL pitches.
    So yes, it was good decision to reject him for PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    So loss for psl now?
    I think Gayle can still play in PSL... He should make himself available in playoffs because there will be some players who will refuse to come to Pakistan.

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    I dont get it,Gayle failed big time in PSL, how is he doing so well at the BPL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor View Post
    I dont get it,Gayle failed big time in PSL, how is he doing so well at the BPL?
    Well obviously every player has good form and bad form.

    But deeper than that, Gayle was carrying injuries in IPL and PSL and he played legitimately awful innings throughout.

    Secondly, I don't think it's just that BPL bowlers are rubbish or any such thing. Other overseas batsmen were also playing, including some very good ones. Everyone had a crack at the same bowlers, and for the most part, the bowlers he smashed did rather well in the tournament.

    I think he's been a lot more aggressive against the spinners, making a large number of bowlers simply unviable options while he is at the crease. He's also worked out ways to survive through good bowlers and is more aware that he absolutely has to murder the weak links.

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    Let hacks like Gayle,Maxwell,Miller etc feast on the substandard IPL bowling where as best in the world like David Malan ,Ahmed Shezad etc etc battle against some Of the top of the line quality bowling in the world.

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    BPL and PSL bowlers cannot be compared..atleast not the local ones.

    Pakistan is probably the graveyard for hacks like Gayle.

    But he will be selected in the PSL now if a player has to be replaced since his value has increased after performing in the BPL final

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    Wow.

    He destroyed Dhaka.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermoine Green View Post
    He would have failed easily at PSL pitches.
    So yes, it was good decision to reject him for PSL.
    He will be selected again in place of players unwilling to go to Karachi and will fail again

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketAnalyst View Post
    Well obviously every player has good form and bad form.

    But deeper than that, Gayle was carrying injuries in IPL and PSL and he played legitimately awful innings throughout.

    Secondly, I don't think it's just that BPL bowlers are rubbish or any such thing. Other overseas batsmen were also playing, including some very good ones. Everyone had a crack at the same bowlers, and for the most part, the bowlers he smashed did rather well in the tournament.

    I think he's been a lot more aggressive against the spinners, making a large number of bowlers simply unviable options while he is at the crease. He's also worked out ways to survive through good bowlers and is more aware that he absolutely has to murder the weak links.
    He has failed in two PSL's now. Its werid how he is always injured or out of form when PSL comes along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_champion View Post
    Let hacks like Gayle,Maxwell,Miller etc feast on the substandard IPL bowling where as best in the world like David Malan ,Ahmed Shezad etc etc battle against some Of the top of the line quality bowling in the world.
    You have to read it this way, to explain -

    Hack Gayle failed in PSL for the quality of it's bowling, while Akmal bros finished as top scorer in 1st 2 tournaments, because of their batting quality - that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    You have to read it this way, to explain -

    Hack Gayle failed in PSL for the quality of it's bowling, while Akmal bros finished as top scorer in 1st 2 tournaments, because of their batting quality - that makes sense.
    Got it also Darren Sammy a cricketer who has an international stadium named after him is treated like Royalty where as Sachin Tendulkar barely has a stand named after him in Wankhede is usually the kind of ambassador for the tournament...huge gulf there as well.

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    So he smashed the bangladeshi bowlers around doesn't mean he would be a success in PSL, previous history shows that.

    Also the fact that he was not chosen for PSL must have riled him, hence his current form.

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    Gayle isnt capable of playing in psl.
    Only rare talents like umar akmal kamran akmal can play psl

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    Beastly knock


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    Gayle is a player like this. The day he stands, he’ll end some career, but in between he had many failures. For example, in this BPL itself I think he had only 3 or may be 4 innngs of note - this 146*, that 120* and one 20 ball 50 I can recall against DD in earlier matches.

    Actually, T20 is game like this. It’s foolish to draw some conclusion from T20 games. Besides, I felt CG wasn’t engaged much in PSL - may be money, may be the life style there, may be internal ego clash .... just didn’t find him serious in PSL and players like him doesn’t change teams to much (they are not allowed to), but he did in PSL. Won’t be surprised if next time he self withdraws for PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Gayle is a player like this. The day he stands, he’ll end some career, but in between he had many failures. For example, in this BPL itself I think he had only 3 or may be 4 innngs of note - this 146*, that 120* and one 20 ball 50 I can recall against DD in earlier matches.

    Actually, T20 is game like this. It’s foolish to draw some conclusion from T20 games. Besides, I felt CG wasn’t engaged much in PSL - may be money, may be the life style there, may be internal ego clash .... just didn’t find him serious in PSL and players like him doesn’t change teams to much (they are not allowed to), but he did in PSL. Won’t be surprised if next time he self withdraws for PSL.

    No one selected him for the PSL, what are you on about him withdrawing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    No one selected him for the PSL, what are you on about him withdrawing?
    For 2019 PSL, he might not participate in the draft.

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    Gayle failed in the PSL because the quality of bowling is too good, a league where ATGs like Shehzad, Akmal brothers, Bopara, Luke Wright etc. have been piling up the runs. Sometimes words are not enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    This.

    I genuinely believe the standard of cricket is better in the PSL.

    Batsmen in the IPL have bashed Indian trundlers for years, which is why we have seen “talents” like Rishabh pant look like complete duds at international level.
    Exactly, he cannot handle the higher standard of bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Gayle failed in the PSL because the quality of bowling is too good, a league where ATGs like Shehzad, Akmal brothers, Bopara, Luke Wright etc. have been piling up the runs. Sometimes words are not enough...
    agree on your part but i think better spinners are the reason gayle fails so consistently in psl . the moment he comes to open the opposition attacks him with spinners in very first over hence the failure i guess.

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    It’s mostly about pitchea and probably his heart is not in PSL and he might be out of form..

    The quality of cricket argument is lame PSL is a substandard league and in no way can be compared to IPL in any way..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    For 2019 PSL, he might not participate in the draft.
    He will be 40 anyway.

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    Gayle was woefully out of form in the latest seasons of IPL and PSL both.He also didn’t perform in the first few matches of this BPL.Maybe he has really returned to form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is not going to be picked in the IPL from now on either. He is past his prime and was a liability for RCB last season. It is a shame that PSL didn't exist during his prime years.

    A poor title though. It gives the impression that Gayle is good enough for the IPL but not good enough for the PSL, which is a pointless, jingoistic statement devoid of any ground realities.

    The standard and the pool of players in the IPL is 10x better than the PSL, and any player who is good enough for the IPL is obviously going to be good enough for the PSL. However, the reverse is not true. There are plenty of players in the PSL who are not going to get picked for the IPL.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Posts like these do not help. PSL is a minnow league compared to the IPL, and a pick Gayle would have been the most valuable pick in the PSL. However, as I said, he is finished now and is no longer going to be a big star in the IPL.
    Good call @Mamoon

    Chris Gayle has gone unsold in IPL as well this season.

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    Gayle's lackluster attitude in the PSL is now coming to bite him in the behind. Everyone also remembers the controversy he created in the Big Bash league in 2015-6 with that female reporter. A humbling moment for him and lets see if he tries to mend fences with the WICB now.

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    Gayle will be picked eventually.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thelandofthebravepeople View Post
    Gayle will be picked eventually.
    Yep IPL Legend goes to Punjab for INR 2 crores


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The quality of a league is measured by the pool of the international stars. IPL has by far the best international talent at their disposal. 90% of the big name players play in the IPL, and the other leagues simply can't compete with IPL when it comes to star power.

    Everything else is subjective.
    Deary me.

    The reason more international players play in the IPL is due to scheduling. There are hardly any international games during the IPL season. A 4 year old can figure this out.

    And make no mistake, IPL isn't a new concept - it was Kerry Packer who sowed the seeds of a renegade cricket league, with all the glamour, money, coloured clothing, cheer leaders etc - it's just it didn't take off given the FTP schedules back in the day. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    I am beginning to think you are neither Pakistani nor an Indian supporter, but a Russian! ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Deary me.

    The reason more international players play in the IPL is due to scheduling. There are hardly any international games during the IPL season. A 4 year old can figure this out.

    And make no mistake, IPL isn't a new concept - it was Kerry Packer who sowed the seeds of a renegade cricket league, with all the glamour, money, coloured clothing, cheer leaders etc - it's just it didn't take off given the FTP schedules back in the day. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    I am beginning to think you are neither Pakistani nor an Indian supporter, but a Russian! ;)
    IPL was mostly inspired by ICL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Deary me.

    The reason more international players play in the IPL is due to scheduling. There are hardly any international games during the IPL season. A 4 year old can figure this out.

    And make no mistake, IPL isn't a new concept - it was Kerry Packer who sowed the seeds of a renegade cricket league, with all the glamour, money, coloured clothing, cheer leaders etc - it's just it didn't take off given the FTP schedules back in the day. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    I am beginning to think you are neither Pakistani nor an Indian supporter, but a Russian! ;)
    Organise PSL during IPL and ask players to choose between the two leagues.

    IPL isnt a renegade league. Kerry Packer created to Franchisee concept T20 league.

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    To be frank, IPL is more popular and with huge money involved, it is just a no brainer as to where the players would head if both are held at the same time. Nothing against PSL, it is a great league and they have done well in the couple of seasons they have been around but they do come behind IPL and BBL in the pecking order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Organise PSL during IPL and ask players to choose between the two leagues.

    IPL isnt a renegade league. Kerry Packer created to Franchisee concept T20 league.
    Why do you always argue with hypotheticals and comparisons? Talk about the here and now. Not much international cricket going on during the IPL season, therefore more international players are free to play. This is a fact. If you think it's to do with their love of India then perhaps this is a false sense of security on your part because money certainly buys pretentious love and friends.

    Please also look up *renegade* to know what it means. The IPL is considered a renegade league simply because players switch allegiance from national duties to money. This is one of the reasons why IPL is scheduled during a free period of international cricket – to avoid the number of mercenaries disbanding national duties for the sake of a highest bidder.

    I would also like to save you some time by stating I am neither in favour nor a fan of ANY renegade league. As far as I am concerned the only good thing about such leagues is scouting of domestic players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_champion View Post
    Yeah based on that performance,he has gotten a zillion opportunities for Pakistan where apparently there is a legendary fast bowler in every nukkad and galli. He has made a career in franchise cricket based on that golden run. That is the influence IPL has. Thanks for proving my point
    Actually Tanvir's performance in the IPL proves how poor the quality of IPL actually is. Tanvir is in fact an average bowler, but was made to look like a king in the IPL given the low standards of IPL.

    There's a saying - "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Deary me.

    The reason more international players play in the IPL is due to scheduling. There are hardly any international games during the IPL season. A 4 year old can figure this out.
    Its the other way round.

    The reason there are hardly any games during IPL season is because international players would either not play internationals or make an issue about it like Gayle, KP, McCullum etc in past


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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Why do you always argue with hypotheticals and comparisons? Talk about the here and now. Not much international cricket going on during the IPL season, therefore more international players are free to play. This is a fact.
    .
    Fact is that the reason there arent many internationals in that period is due to IPL

    Year by year there's fewer series to the point there are none now during this period.

    in the early years of IPL there were regular series' scheduled in that window

    And yes - EVERYONE - will pick IPL over another league. Money is obviously the main reason but dont be fooled that any foreigner plays PSL for any other reason than money


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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Deary me.

    The reason more international players play in the IPL is due to scheduling. There are hardly any international games during the IPL season. A 4 year old can figure this out.

    And make no mistake, IPL isn't a new concept - it was Kerry Packer who sowed the seeds of a renegade cricket league, with all the glamour, money, coloured clothing, cheer leaders etc - it's just it didn't take off given the FTP schedules back in the day. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    I am beginning to think you are neither Pakistani nor an Indian supporter, but a Russian! ;)
    The ICC has given the IPL has a dedicated window in order to avoid the conflict between the boards and the players.

    If both the IPL and the PSL take place at the same time, there is not a single player in the world (including Pakistani players) who would opt for a PSL contract over an IPL contract.

    Secondly, the IPL has nothing do with Kerry Packer's rebel league - the IPL was inspired by the ICL. India saw the potential in T20 cricket and capitalized on it, and if it wasn't for the IPL, cheap rip-offs like the PSL, BPL, CPL and the now-defunct SPL would not have existed.

    Come out of the parallel universe that you reside in.

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    It is factual though that Gayle is a PSL reject


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    It is factual though that Gayle is a PSL reject
    If the IPL franchises were interested in him this year, they would have bought him earlier. The fact he found a team in the last minute pretty much shows that his stock has fallen considerably. This is most likely his last season there, because his performance over the last two years has been very poor.

    He might do a Pietersen next year and make himself unavailable knowing that he will probably not get picked. Pietersen did the right thing after his disastrous stint with Delhi and saved himself from embarrassment.

    The PSL took off at the wrong time for Gayle. He would have been the biggest attraction 4-5 years back. It is not a question of him not being good enough to score in the PSL when ATGs like Luke Wright, Bopara, Rossouw and Kamran Akmal etc. have been piling up the runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    If the IPL franchises were interested in him this year, they would have bought him earlier. The fact he found a team in the last minute pretty much shows that his stock has fallen considerably. This is most likely his last season there, because his performance over the last two years has been very poor.

    He might do a Pietersen next year and make himself unavailable knowing that he will probably not get picked. Pietersen did the right thing after his disastrous stint with Delhi and saved himself from embarrassment.

    The PSL took off at the wrong time for Gayle. He would have been the biggest attraction 4-5 years back. It is not a question of him not being good enough to score in the PSL when ATGs like Luke Wright, Bopara, Rossouw and Kamran Akmal etc. have been piling up the runs.
    As I said. It is factual that Gayle is a PSL reject.


    #MPGA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    As I said. It is factual that Gayle is a PSL reject.
    A meaningless statement in context.

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    What so ever IPL is much bigger and its reality

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