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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Ok lets look at it this way.

    Shadab, Hasan, Fakhar, Raees, Shinwari etc just had to play one season of PSL to become international level products and they debuted right after playing their first addition.

    Most of the Indian players recently like Pandya, Bumrah etc had to play 2, 4 seasons atleast to be even considered for selection.
    Who told that IPL can produce talents faster than PSL? Talents have to emerge on their own and only better platforms can help them come into limelight! Shall we say that Pakistan by now would have got an unbeatable/best ever cricket team (10 times better than 2000s Australia and 70s West Indies) if their players/budding talents got chance to play in IPL regularly? No, in that way also you don't want to appreciate IPL/BCCI/Indians! You would have said useless IPL survived because of great Pakistani cricketers!

    So spare poor Indian average talents from comparing to gigantic Pakistani talent (Yes we know that 1 Inzamam or 1 Miandad >>> Sachin + Gavaskar + Dravid + Kohli + Sehwag + Laxman put together! That's the caliber of Pakistani cricketing talent). Because you can't even reason out that Pandya, Bumrah had to compete with already accomplished players in the national side! We know its futile to think like that!

    What a title for this thread! Really you can feel proud of it!

    I know Pakistan always produced best talents and also this forum is the best cricket forum. But if Pakistanis remain humble and appreciate things from else where and utilize judicially they can go long way, poor mentality will block the doors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    They are not the same teams. Totally different set of players barring 1-2. The WT20 winning WI team have thrashed us in our last 3 ICC tournament matches. This current WI side is cannon fodder for most teams unless players like Ewin Lewis etc. fire.

    Once we start playing the better sides regularly, we will lose our number one ranking. Just like how we lost our number one ranking in Tests once we started touring. It could happen to India as well next year, but they are well equipped to perform well away from Asia now - they have the best top 5 in the world.
    They are not the same teams. Totally different set of players barring 1-2.

    Really? This is the World Cup T20 2016 winning squad of WI:

    Sammy, Badree, Benn, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Gayle, Holder, Lewis, Nurse, Ramdin, Russell, Samuels, Simmons, Taylor, Bravo, Fletcher, Narine and Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in UAE in 2016:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Lewis, Samuels, Taylor, Fletcher, Narine, Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in WI in 2017:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Lewis, Samuels, Simmons, Holder, Narine, Pollard

    So 12 players out of the 19 were World Cup T20 winners that we beat. And you're saying that barring 1 or 2 players the world cup winning team of 2016 was a completely different one?? LOL. Gayle has never scored against us in T20s. He never did anything of significance in the WC either. Just the first game where he scored a 100 against england and then all single digit scores. Russell was banned so it's not our fault he wasn't there to play us. The only missing players were Dwayne Bravo and Darren Sammy. That's it. So it's much better to say that barring 1 or 2 players, we beat the WI world cup winning squad 6-1 in T20's over the past year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    They are not the same teams. Totally different set of players barring 1-2.

    Really? This is the World Cup T20 2016 winning squad of WI:

    Sammy, Badree, Benn, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Gayle, Holder, Lewis, Nurse, Ramdin, Russell, Samuels, Simmons, Taylor, Bravo, Fletcher, Narine and Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in UAE in 2016:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Bravo, Charles, Lewis, Samuels, Taylor, Fletcher, Narine, Pollard.

    This is the team we beat in WI in 2017:

    Badree, Brathwaite, Lewis, Samuels, Simmons, Holder, Narine, Pollard

    So 12 players out of the 19 were World Cup T20 winners that we beat. And you're saying that barring 1 or 2 players the world cup winning team of 2016 was a completely different one?? LOL. Gayle has never scored against us in T20s. He never did anything of significance in the WC either. Just the first game where he scored a 100 against england and then all single digit scores. Russell was banned so it's not our fault he wasn't there to play us. The only missing players were Dwayne Bravo and Darren Sammy. That's it. So it's much better to say that barring 1 or 2 players, we beat the WI world cup winning squad 6-1 in T20's over the past year.
    1-2 was just an example, I haven't counted the exact number of players. The point is that WI were missing some big players. Sammy who captained them to two WT20 titles, was not there.

    Russell is a fantastic T20 cricketer and Dwayne Bravo is a very good all-rounder. In addition, Gayle may not have scored a T20 hundred against Pakistan, but that doesn't mean that he will always struggle against us. A WI T20 team with Gayle is stronger than a WI T20 team without Gayle.

    Russell, Bravo, Gayle and Sammy are key players for WI in T20 cricket, and they didn't play against us. Yes it is for different reasons, but the outcome is the same: WI are weaker without him, and they would not have won two World T20 titles without the contribution of these players.

    Besides, apart from WI, we have not had to face many different/quality opposition. World XIs don't usually perform better than international teams and it was just a token series. We did beat England who are a very good team, but it was a one-off game, and SL are minnows now.

    Our number one ranking doesn't mean much unless we prove it against teams like India, Australia, South africa etc. Our batting is very mediocre and we don't have a single batsman who can take the game away from the opposition.

    On 180+ pitches our weak batting will be exposed. We have a bunch of accumulators who cannot go beyond 150 against a pace-heavy team, and that's not good enough. We have one of the worst batting lineups in T20 cricket. Our bowling is good but they are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    There are big holes in the T20 team and our number one ranking doesn't make us the best team in the world. It doesn't mean anything like our number one ranking in Tests because it doesn't reflect the quality of the team. However, it took us less than a year to slide down the Test rankings and I expect the same in T20s.

    Once we start playing against the quality opposition, our poor batting will get exposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    1-2 was just an example, I haven't counted the exact number of players. The point is that WI were missing some big players. Sammy who captained them to two WT20 titles, was not there.

    Russell is a fantastic T20 cricketer and Dwayne Bravo is a very good all-rounder. In addition, Gayle may not have scored a T20 hundred against Pakistan, but that doesn't mean that he will always struggle against us. A WI T20 team with Gayle is stronger than a WI T20 team without Gayle.

    Russell, Bravo, Gayle and Sammy are key players for WI in T20 cricket, and they didn't play against us. Yes it is for different reasons, but the outcome is the same: WI are weaker without him, and they would not have won two World T20 titles without the contribution of these players.

    Besides, apart from WI, we have not had to face many different/quality opposition. World XIs don't usually perform better than international teams and it was just a token series. We did beat England who are a very good team, but it was a one-off game, and SL are minnows now.

    Our number one ranking doesn't mean much unless we prove it against teams like India, Australia, South africa etc. Our batting is very mediocre and we don't have a single batsman who can take the game away from the opposition.

    On 180+ pitches our weak batting will be exposed. We have a bunch of accumulators who cannot go beyond 150 against a pace-heavy team, and that's not good enough. We have one of the worst batting lineups in T20 cricket. Our bowling is good but they are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    There are big holes in the T20 team and our number one ranking doesn't make us the best team in the world. It doesn't mean anything like our number one ranking in Tests because it doesn't reflect the quality of the team. However, it took us less than a year to slide down the Test rankings and I expect the same in T20s.

    Once we start playing against the quality opposition, our poor batting will get exposed.
    Starting off with WI, Gayle has never scored against Pakistan. He has a Test average of 31, an ODI average of 28 and a T20 average of 3.6 against Pakistan over his career. It's fair to assume that Pakistan is completely his bogey team. He may win an occasional game against Pakistan but surely he won't win them a series. He's also has done zilch for WI over the past 2 years in the international setup and WI does not rely on him at all now. His presence or absence makes no difference. Russell was banned so its not our fault. It's like saying India whitewashing Sri Lanka is no achievement because Sri Lanka didn't have Mahela, Sanga and Dilshan in their team. The fact is we beat a majority-world-cup-stocked WI team 6-1 in T20s. That's a great achievement!!! It's stupid to degrade that.

    Coming to our number 1 ranking. Our number 1 ranking is based on the FTP calendar that we have. Is it our fault that we haven't played a lot of T20s against the likes of India, Australia, England and SA? The fact is that we have won more than 60% of our matches in the last 3 years and that is why we are number 1. That is an achievement that should not be discarded. In the last 3 years India have lost 4 matches out of 9 played against WI and Sri Lanka while during the same period we have lost only 1 T20 in 13 matches against the same Sri Lankan and WI sides. It's a shame if you don't give credit to us for that but elevate India's performances.

    No one is getting carried away and saying we will blast everyone in sight now that we are number 1. We are number 1 based on our sheer performances and that needs to be commended and applauded. Not sulk in by lowering the achievements of our cricketers. Tougher challenges await and it's highly likely that we will lose once we play in Australia/NZ/SA. There are deficiencies in our team that needs to be ironed out which is clear as daylight. However not everything has to be doom and gloom.

    Lastly a cricket game consists of bowling, batting and fielding. To focus simply on batting and conclude that Pakistan will lose most games against quality opposition is unfair. While we may have a weak batting lineup, we tend to compensate that with our bowling. That has always been our pattern since we probably started playing cricket. You cannot pass judgment on a cricket team based on one facet of cricket. It's like discarding Mourinho's teams if he doesn't have great strikers.

    To express your opinion that we may slide down the T20 rankings is fair and you have a right to do that but what irks people here is the constant degradation of Pakistan's achievements be it our Test ranking of number 1 or the T20 one. We should revel in our rankings right now but remain level headed to understand that there is a lot of work to be done.

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    Chris Gayle to ply his trade in Bangladesh Premier League

    The cricketing fraternity was in a state of shock when Chris Gayle went unsold in the playersí draft of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) last week.

    While social media went abuzz over Gayleís ouster, many felt that the recent off-form has led to such a sorry state for the West Indies star.

    But all that is in the past now!

    Keeping faith in his star power, Rangpur Riders - one of the major franchises of the Bangladesh Premier League (BPL) - has got in Gayle in its ranks. With the franchise not doing too well in the tournament, the team management believes Gayleís arrival will help them turn the tide.

    Gayle is supposed to join the team on Thursday, while another foreign recruit for the side - Brendon McCullum - will reach on Wednesday. ďGayle is still the king of T20s. I donít know why he went unsold in the Pakistan Super League. His presence will lift the team and it will be a morale booster for the side,Ē Rangpur Riders CEO, Ishtiaq Sadek, told Sportstar on Tuesday.

    It is learnt that both Gayle and McCullum will be available for the sideís next match against Comilla Victorians on Sunday.

    Earlier, there were uncertainties over the availability of Gayle as the dates of BPL were coinciding with the now-postponed Global T20 League in South Africa. ďBut now, with the South Africa league postponed, Gayle will be playing nine matches for us. His inclusion will be a good thing as he can change the colour of a game on any given day,Ē Sadek said.

    Rangpur Riders, coached by Tom Moody and captained by Mashrafe Mortaza, hasnít done too well (of the three games, it has only won in one) and it would be hoping to mend the odds with Gayleís arrival

    http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricket...le20445400.ece

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    OP's title is very wrong. Gayle has now entered his latter, or end stage of career, and even struggled in IPL this year.

    And Gayle is a curious case, he did nothing in the first 3 seasons, went completely unsold in 4th season, only to be brought as a replacement to injury by RCB. And the rest is history, he had some wonderful couple of seasons, however recently it's all back to struggles whether IPL or PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Their top 3 is better than our entire batting lineup, and they are not going to fall cheaply every time. Kohli alone has destroyed us a few dozen times over the years, the Champions Trophy final was a just a one-off failure for him against us.
    few dozen times, have they even played with us few dozen times over the years?

    and if they are gonna fall cheaply or not, time will tell --- since when have you become fortune teller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imran1976 View Post
    few dozen times, have they even played with us few dozen times over the years?
    Go to www.google.com, type 'figure of speech', and press enter.

    Kohli has put Pakistan to the sword in numerous high profile games. 2012 Asia Cup, 2012 WT20, 2015 World Cup, 2016 Asia Cup, 2016 WT20 and 2017 Champions Trophy (group game).

    He has literally been the difference between India and Pakistan over the last few years. In the last few years, we have beaten India twice only (2017 CT final; 2014 Asia Cup) and on both occasions he fell cheaply, which explains his impact and influence.

    By a 'few dozen times', I wasn't implying that he has destroyed us 12+12+12 times; I was implying that he has outclassed us many times. I thought that would be extremely obvious for anyone who understands enough English to type over the Internet.

    and if they are gonna fall cheaply or not, time will tell --- since when have you become fortune teller?
    I am not a mystic and I am not a fortune-teller, by common sense tells me that India have a superb batting lineup and they are not going to fall like nine pins against us every time. The way we bowled in the CT in successive games against powerful batting lineups is something that is not replicable, unless our current bowling attack is one of the best bowling attacks in history, which I don't think it is. We are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    Unfortunately some of ours fans heads are in the clouds because of the CT success and the bashing of a very poor Sri Lankan outfit. The fact is that we will still lose to teams like India, South Africa, England and Australia more often than not, simply because our batting is very inferior.

    Nonetheless, whenever our fans get overconfident, a reality check is round the corner. I don't know when it will come, could be next series, could be the series after, but our fans are in for a rude awakening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There is not a single player in the world who would prefer to play in the PSL at the expense of the IPL, and the tragedy is that even Pakistani players would most probably prefer to play in the IPL over the PSL.
    You are getting so touchy on any positives about Pakistan cricket. Perhaps, you need to take your blue glasses off.


    Rudi is a useless umpire get rid off him plzzzzz.

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    Most wins Tests: (Pakistan 12; India 9)
    ODIs: (Pakistan 73; India 52)
    T20Is: (India 6; Pakistan 1)


    Rudi is a useless umpire get rid off him plzzzzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    Most wins Tests: (Pakistan 12; India 9)
    ODIs: (Pakistan 73; India 52)
    T20Is: (India 6; Pakistan 1)
    I would happily trade plenty of those bilateral matches for a better head-to-head record in World Cups. The fact that we not beaten India a single time in World Cups is extremely embarrassing. Also, India has won two World Cups unlike us. In addition, they have been ranked number one more times.

    Our head-to-head record in ODIs doesn't mean anything when you factor in the above.

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    2228 (39 innings) Pakistan Javed Miandad 1978–89
    2089 (41 innings) India Sunil Gavaskar 1978–87
    1740 (25 innings) Pakistan Zaheer Abbas 1978–84
    1431 (25 innings) Pakistan Mudassar Nazar 1978–84
    1321 (17 innings) Pakistan Younis Khan 2005–07


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    You are getting so touchy on any positives about Pakistan cricket. Perhaps, you need to take your blue glasses off.
    It is a fact, albeit an uncomfortable one. It is a joke to compare the PSL to the IPL. PSL is nothing but a poor imitation, and it would not have existed if it wasn't for the IPL.

    PSL, BPL, CPL etc. are all copycats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I would happily trade plenty of those bilateral matches for a better head-to-head record in World Cups. The fact that we not beaten India a single time in World Cups is extremely embarrassing. Also, India has won two World Cups unlike us. In addition, they have been ranked number one more times.

    Our head-to-head record in ODIs doesn't mean anything when you factor in the above.
    Very selective memory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is a fact, albeit an uncomfortable one. It is a joke to compare the PSL to the IPL. PSL is nothing but a poor imitation, and it would not have existed if it wasn't for the IPL.

    PSL, BPL, CPL etc. are all copycats.
    Pakistan would not have existed without India either. Human being came into existence due to India too.


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    You can call an Indian supporter or whatever you want. I am simply pointing out a fact that India has achieved more than us in ODIs, including head-to-head because thrashing us in World Cups consistently is worth more than a better head-to-head bilateral record.

    In addition, it is also a fact that the IPL has changed the complexion of the game and has inspired the other T20 leagues like PSL, CPL, BPL etc. Other cricket boards were slow off their feet and only woke up when they saw the success of BCCI's product.

    Anyway, who am I to rain on your parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You can call an Indian supporter or whatever you want. I am simply pointing out a fact that India has achieved more than us in ODIs, including head-to-head because thrashing us in World Cups consistently is worth more than a better head-to-head bilateral record.

    In addition, it is also a fact that the IPL has changed the complexion of the game and has inspired the other T20 leagues like PSL, CPL, BPL etc. Other cricket boards were slow off their feet and only woke up when they saw the success of BCCI's product.

    Anyway, who am I to rain on your parade.
    OK IPL is the biggest league but you cannot say it is the best league, I would put Big Bash and T20 Blast ahead of IPL. Quality of cricket is not that great in IPL. PSL and IPL are about the same.


    Rudi is a useless umpire get rid off him plzzzzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    OK IPL is the biggest league but you cannot say it is the best league, I would put Big Bash and T20 Blast ahead of IPL. Quality of cricket is not that great in IPL. PSL and IPL are about the same.
    The quality of a league is measured by the pool of the international stars. IPL has by far the best international talent at their disposal. 90% of the big name players play in the IPL, and the other leagues simply can't compete with IPL when it comes to star power.

    Everything else is subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The quality of a league is measured by the pool of the international stars. IPL has by far the best international talent at their disposal. 90% of the big name players play in the IPL, and the other leagues simply can't compete with IPL when it comes to star power.

    Everything else is subjective.
    Yes purely for reasons other than cricket called "Money". Nothing to do with the quality of cricket and the format that is too boring and dull.


    Rudi is a useless umpire get rid off him plzzzzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The quality of a league is measured by the pool of the international stars. IPL has by far the best international talent at their disposal. 90% of the big name players play in the IPL, and the other leagues simply can't compete with IPL when it comes to star power.

    Everything else is subjective.
    This!!!!! Or the other way around, the proportion of players who are retired, is way higher in PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Nonetheless, whenever our fans get overconfident, a reality check is round the corner. I don't know when it will come, could be next series, could be the series after, but our fans are in for a rude awakening.


    It just sounds like you aren’t a fan at all. You can’t accept success.
    Last edited by UN talkz; 15th November 2017 at 17:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    Yes purely for reasons other than cricket called "Money". Nothing to do with the quality of cricket and the format that is too boring and dull.
    And other players play in PSL because of PSL's quality of cricket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    1-2 was just an example, I haven't counted the exact number of players. The point is that WI were missing some big players. Sammy who captained them to two WT20 titles, was not there.

    Russell is a fantastic T20 cricketer and Dwayne Bravo is a very good all-rounder. In addition, Gayle may not have scored a T20 hundred against Pakistan, but that doesn't mean that he will always struggle against us. A WI T20 team with Gayle is stronger than a WI T20 team without Gayle.

    Russell, Bravo, Gayle and Sammy are key players for WI in T20 cricket, and they didn't play against us. Yes it is for different reasons, but the outcome is the same: WI are weaker without him, and they would not have won two World T20 titles without the contribution of these players.

    Besides, apart from WI, we have not had to face many different/quality opposition. World XIs don't usually perform better than international teams and it was just a token series. We did beat England who are a very good team, but it was a one-off game, and SL are minnows now.

    Our number one ranking doesn't mean much unless we prove it against teams like India, Australia, South africa etc. Our batting is very mediocre and we don't have a single batsman who can take the game away from the opposition.

    On 180+ pitches our weak batting will be exposed. We have a bunch of accumulators who cannot go beyond 150 against a pace-heavy team, and that's not good enough. We have one of the worst batting lineups in T20 cricket. Our bowling is good but they are not going to restrict the top teams to below par totals all the time.

    There are big holes in the T20 team and our number one ranking doesn't make us the best team in the world. It doesn't mean anything like our number one ranking in Tests because it doesn't reflect the quality of the team. However, it took us less than a year to slide down the Test rankings and I expect the same in T20s.

    Once we start playing against the quality opposition, our poor batting will get exposed.
    Then why did India lose to the same WI team twice after the WT20?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Then why did India lose to the same WI team twice after the WT20?
    They lost due to a couple of brilliant individual innings by Evin Lewis. Individual brilliance can happen any time anywhere, but more often than not, the better overall team is going to win.

    If India were to play West Indies 10 times, they would win majority of the games because they are a better team.

    Similarly, Pakistanís bowling attack that won them the Champions Trophy by dismantling three world class batting lineups in a row could not defend 310 against a mediocre West Indies lineup in the first ODI, thanks to a brilliant individual innings by Jason Mohammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi hater View Post
    Yes purely for reasons other than cricket called "Money". Nothing to do with the quality of cricket and the format that is too boring and dull.
    Of course itís about the money, who said it isnít? Why do you think they are playing in the PSL?

    The IPLís resources and BCCIís influence means that no other T20 league can compete with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    It just sounds like you arenít a fan at all. You canít accept success.
    I accept success, but with humility.

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    scored 50 today in BPL!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    scored 50 today in BPL!
    BPL,IPL,CPL Legend and PSL reject


    SIR DONALD BRADMAN ------SORRY, BUT NO ONE LIKE HIM

  29. #269
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    scored 50 today in BPL!
    And another today


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  30. #270
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    And another today
    He's obviously hurt at not being picked by PSL hence he is now making some scores to see what "we are missign out on" but he would have flopped in the PSL anyway just like he has the last 2 years.

  31. #271
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    The way WI batsmen play, UAE will be the last place they can succeed.

    WI batsmen like decent pace and bounce in the wicket. Of course the pitch needs to be flat too. Pitch should not offer any spin either.

    IPL pitches offers all of the above. Most LOI pitches offer all of the above. UAE is different. They are slow and low turners. Little to no pace and the bounce is not available either.

  32. #272
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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    The way WI batsmen play, UAE will be the last place they can succeed.

    WI batsmen like decent pace and bounce in the wicket. Of course the pitch needs to be flat too. Pitch should not offer any spin either.

    IPL pitches offers all of the above. Most LOI pitches offer all of the above. UAE is different. They are slow and low turners. Little to no pace and the bounce is not available either.
    He failed big time last 2 seasons in IPL as well.

  33. #273
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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistani pride View Post
    He failed big time last 2 seasons in IPL as well.
    He is old and those reflexes are fading.

    I was commenting on WI batsmen in IPL compared to PSL.

  34. #274
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    And another today
    Let him face Hasan...

  35. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    They lost due to a couple of brilliant individual innings by Evin Lewis. Individual brilliance can happen any time anywhere, but more often than not, the better overall team is going to win.

    If India were to play West Indies 10 times, they would win majority of the games because they are a better team.

    Similarly, Pakistan’s bowling attack that won them the Champions Trophy by dismantling three world class batting lineups in a row could not defend 310 against a mediocre West Indies lineup in the first ODI, thanks to a brilliant individual innings by Jason Mohammed.
    That attack had Wahab in place of Junaid...

    With Wahab in our attack India also made 338 against us.

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