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    Mohammad Azharuddin: An all-time great?

    I looked at his record today nd its kinda amazing considering the bowlers in that era.

    http://m.cricbuzz.com/profiles/3864/mohammad-azharuddin

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    He bats at no4 in my atg11 in Odis for India..

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    Not even close.

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    Will barely find a place in all time India ODI XI and no chance in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Will barely find a place in all time India ODI XI and no chance in tests
    Exactly !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaisan View Post
    He bats at no4 in my atg11 in Odis for India..
    Only if you pick one of Sehwag, Ganguly, Rohit and ICCDhawan.

    In most all time lineups, you would end up playing Ganguly at 3 as he did in 2003 CWC and Virat at 4.

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    Azhar bhai is a grade A choker and a mental midget.

    He is more talented than Seh ag, Ganguly etc. all that talent means nothing if you cannot score when the things get tough. He had his moments though.

    I would rank him a tire below the likes of Laxman/Ganguly/Sehwag.

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    No he is not an ATG. Even though he had the potential. He is at best an Indian great. Does not feature in all time ODI or test squads for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Not even close.
    You know nothin about cricket then... He was one of the best. It always carried the Indian team in the 90s era after sachin.

    He wasnt an ATG but still one of tge finest batsmen to play the game.
    Last edited by giri26; 27th November 2017 at 05:25.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Azhar bhai is a grade A choker and a mental midget.

    He is more talented than Seh ag, Ganguly etc. all that talent means nothing if you cannot score when the things get tough. He had his moments though.

    I would rank him a tire below the likes of Laxman/Ganguly/Sehwag.
    Have watched live cricket in the 90s??
    For What I saw he is the only one who carried the team on his shoulders.. People loved him relied on him. On few occasion the crowd went berserk after Azhar got out. Did this need to say something..


    only fighters rise up from the dust..

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    Quote Originally Posted by todfod 11 View Post
    Have watched live cricket in the 90s??
    For What I saw he is the only one who carried the team on his shoulders.. People loved him relied on him. On few occasion the crowd went berserk after Azhar got out. Did this need to say something..
    Azhar was a very good ODI batsman of his time. He was better in ODIs than tests.

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    He was a good batsman, he played some excellent knocks against the South African and Australian bowlers something which our legends like Inzi and Yousaf failed to do.

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    He's no ATG. Would be hard put to qualify even as an Indian ATG.

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    A fixer cannot be an ATG- Indian or otherwise.

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    Not an ATG, but surely an Indian great if we ignore the fixing.

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    Not close to being an ATG. Was a pretty good batsman though, very pleasing to the eye. I followed his career throughout the 90's, but missed out on how good he was in the 80's.


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    Pretty good player nothing more. Not even in the top 5-6 Indian middle order batsmen in tests.

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    Him representing India is disgraceful and people here calling him an ATG

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    Amazing hand/eye coordination.
    Wrists that were magical.
    Superb balance at the crease.

    One of my all-time favourite batsmen.



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    Good player but not an ATG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Azhar was a very good ODI batsman of his time. He was better in ODIs than tests.
    so you admit he was a Indian great in ODIs. 90s was an era of one day cricket.


    only fighters rise up from the dust..

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    At his best Azhars strokeplay made Tendulkar look ordinary.Immense ability,great fitness but a cavalier attitude.

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    Azhar was a fantastic player and brilliant to watch when in full flow. He is not an ATG though. He is surely an Indian great in tests. In ODI's he was very good for the time he played in but lots of others have come in and have overtaken him in that format. He unfortunately does not make both the tests and ODI all-time X1 for India.

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    Azhar was not just an excellent batsman but also a brilliant fielder and catcher. He captained India for 10 years and India was undefeated at home in a series under his captaincy throughout the 90s. (Only home series India lost in the 90s was under Sachin)

    ATG or not, I don't like to compare cricketers across eras, but one thing is for sure, don't simply go by the numbers. Although I started watching cricket from 1992 onwards, still scoring runs was never so easy as it is today, people scoring double centuries in ODIs for fun, 300 has become a joke. It wasn't so easy earlier, so all those runs
    the players of the past scored were more meaningful and hard earned.
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    Above average batsman (good in ODIs, okay in Tests), but a terrible human being. A disgrace to Indian cricket overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by todfod 11 View Post
    so you admit he was a Indian great in ODIs. 90s was an era of one day cricket.
    9K runs at a good average makes him an Indian ODI ATG only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    9K runs at a good average makes him an Indian ODI ATG only.
    He could have easily achieved more had he not involved in controversies with his marriage and then match fixing.


    only fighters rise up from the dust..

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    NO. In odis, our best ever middle order batsmen was Yuvraj Singh. Azhar is better than Dravid though.

    In tests, he is behind VVS.

    So, overall nowhere close to ATG.

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    Had potential but didnt reach ATG level


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    Former India captain Mohammad Azharuddin has filed his nomination for the president's post in the Hyderabad Cricket Association (HCA) which will hold its elections on September 27. Azharuddin, whose nomination was unceremoniously rejected two years ago, submitted his papers to former Chief Election Commissioner VS Sampath on Wednesday.

    "I want to take inputs from everybody and work for promoting cricket. I want to do something for districts also (towards growth of cricket)," Azharuddin said.

    Vikram Man Singh, son of former cricket administrator PR Man Singh, has submitted his nomination for the vice-president's post. Those who filed nominations, include Ajmal Asad (secretary), P Srinivas (joint secretary), G Srinivas (treasurer) and P Anuradha (councillor).

    The panel for the election will be announced after the withdrawal of nominations on September 23, sources said. It is understood that the election bid of Azharuddin, Vikram and others has the backing of former cricketers and administrators Arshad Ayub and Shivlal Yadav.

    Azharuddin's nomination paper for HCA president's post was rejected in 2017 by the returning officer on the grounds that he failed to produce proof of BCCI lifting the ban imposed on him for his alleged involvement in match-fixing.

    Election officials had also said then that there was no clarity on whether Azharuddin was an eligible voter form the club he currently represents.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/.../amp/?p=893218


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    Only ATG status he should receive is for (alleged) match fixing.
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    At the end of the day ATG are made on basis of performance and not talent. Azhar does not deserve to be rated as an ATG.

    Moreover, his involvement in fixing clouds a shadow over his entire career. He sold his country for money, terrible, terrible person and we made him MP :facepalm

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    No! The match fixing allegations further tainted his reputation. Not from the elite class, no way!


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    My all-time favourite Indian batsman.

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    In his days he was most styllish Indian batsman. He will be in All time great Indian OD team. But could not take his game to next level. He is like Mark Waugh , Carl Hooper , David Gower etc.

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    Haven't seen a more stylish right handed batsman than him.

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    Azhhar was a quality player. He had the great start to his career by scoring century in hist first 3 tests. However his average away record puts him out of any ATG contention.
    He was natural successor of Viswanath in terms of style. However both were surpassed by Laxman.

    Indian batsman with 4000+ test runs
    Player Span Mat Runs Avg 100 50
    SR Tendulkar 1989-2013 200 15921 53.78 51 68
    V Kohli 2011-2019 79 6749 53.14 25 22
    R Dravid 1996-2012 163 13265 52.63 36 63
    SM Gavaskar 1971-1987 125 10122 51.12 34 45
    CA Pujara 2010-2019 70 5486 49.87 18 20
    V Sehwag 2001-2013 103 8503 49.43 23 31
    VVS Laxman 1996-2012 134 8781 45.97 17 56
    M Azharuddin 1984-2000 99 6215 45.03 22 21
    M Amarnath 1969-1988 69 4378 42.5 11 24
    SC Ganguly 1996-2008 113 7212 42.17 16 35
    DB Vengsarkar 1976-1992 116 6868 42.13 17 35
    G Gambhir 2004-2016 58 4154 41.95 9 22
    GR Viswanath 1969-1983 91 6080 41.93 14 35
    MS Dhoni 2005-2014 90 4876 38.09 6 33
    N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 131 5248 31.05 8 27

    Indian batsman with 2000+ away runs
    Player Span Mat Runs Avg 100 50
    SR Tendulkar 1989-2012 106 8705 54.74 29 36
    R Dravid 1996-2012 93 7667 53.61 21 36
    SM Gavaskar 1971-1986 60 5055 52.11 18 22
    M Amarnath 1976-1986 37 3008 51.86 9 17
    AM Rahane 2013-2019 36 2619 46.76 7 15
    V Kohli 2011-2019 45 3644 46.12 14 12
    V Sehwag 2001-2012 51 3847 44.73 10 12
    VVS Laxman 1997-2012 77 5014 42.49 9 32
    SC Ganguly 1996-2008 63 4032 41.56 8 22
    CA Pujara 2010-2019 34 2269 39.12 8 6
    M Azharuddin 1985-1999 53 2803 36.4 9 10
    GR Viswanath 1971-1983 43 2578 36.3 4 20
    RJ Shastri 1981-1992 42 2101 34.44 7 4
    MS Dhoni 2006-2014 48 2496 32.84 1 18
    DB Vengsarkar 1976-1992 62 3143 32.73 4 20
    N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 66 2438 26.21 3 12


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    Very good player. Bats in at 4 in my Indian all-time ODI XI, remember not many batters have had success at that position for India.

    Not an ATG though. A very good player in both the formats without any shadow of doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Very good player. Bats in at 4 in my Indian all-time ODI XI, remember not many batters have had success at that position for India.

    Not an ATG though. A very good player in both the formats without any shadow of doubt.
    Indian batsman ODI at no.4 (min 2000 runs)
    Player Span Mat Runs Ave SR 100 50
    M Azharuddin 1985-2000 142 4605 40.39 77.57 3 33
    Yuvraj Singh 2000-2017 113 3384 35.25 89.45 6 17
    R Dravid 1996-2007 107 3226 35.45 70.37 2 25
    DB Vengsarkar 1983-1990 74 2138 37.5 69.93 0 16
    SR Tendulkar 1990-2007 65 2059 38.84 77.08 4 15

    Good point , the only other contender is Yuvraj Singh.
    Azhar has higher average. Yuvraj has better SR ans more centuries. Yuvraj also was decent part timer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeetu View Post
    Indian batsman ODI at no.4 (min 2000 runs)
    Player Span Mat Runs Ave SR 100 50
    M Azharuddin 1985-2000 142 4605 40.39 77.57 3 33
    Yuvraj Singh 2000-2017 113 3384 35.25 89.45 6 17
    R Dravid 1996-2007 107 3226 35.45 70.37 2 25
    DB Vengsarkar 1983-1990 74 2138 37.5 69.93 0 16
    SR Tendulkar 1990-2007 65 2059 38.84 77.08 4 15

    Good point , the only other contender is Yuvraj Singh.
    Azhar has higher average. Yuvraj has better SR ans more centuries. Yuvraj also was decent part timer.
    I will play Yuvraj in my team but at 5. He definitely finds a place. Its always a pleasure to have Yuvi- Dhoni combo in your XI and I wont gonna miss that.

    Azhar will stabilise the batting at 4.Either of Azhar or Dravid can do that, I picked Azhar. He was better than Dravid overall in ODI cricket.

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    He’s got a new job.

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    Former India captain Mohammad Azharuddin was on Friday elected President of the Hyderabad Cricket Association (HCA), life coming full circle for the man who was once indicted for match-fixing and banned forever from playing.

    ALSO READ: Cricket In Hyderabad Has Suffered A Lot, Want To Bring About A Change: Mohammed Azharuddin

    The stylish batsman of yesteryears polled 173 votes while his opponent Prakash Chand Jain got 73 votes. His entire panel won their respective contests.

    The victory marks his official entry into cricket administration after his nomination was rejected on technical grounds.

    The 56-year-old, who has also served as a Congress MP from Moradabad in Uttar Pradesh, led India to a spate of Test series wins over England, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe at home in the 1990s.

    The former batsman fell from grace after he was implicated in the 2000 match-fixing scandal that shook the core of Indian cricket. However, the Andhra High Court had ruled that the investigation against him was not conducted properly.

    The operative part of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) report stated: "The evidence against Azharuddin … clearly establishes the fact that he took money from bookies/punters to fix cricket matches and also the fact that the 'underworld' had approached him to fix matches for them."

    Azharuddin, who appeared in 99 Tests and 334 ODIs, filed his nomination for the president's post in the HCA last week.

    One of the most graceful batsmen of the mid 1980's to late 90's, Azharuddin started his career with a hat-trick of Test hundreds against England during the 1984/85 season.

    His wristy stroke-play was a treat to watch and he could hit anything bowled on the imaginary fifth off-stump towards deep mid-wicket boundary with ease.

    He was possibly the best all-round fielder those days and whose reflex single action throw from close-in could only be replicated by Ravindra Jadeja among current cricketers. Also the unmatched swagger with his collar-up and the gibberish manner in which he spoke had its own charm.

    Azharuddin and Ajit Wadekar formed one of the first successful coach (cricket manager)-captain partnerships in the early 90's when India were invincible at home with Anil Kumble at his deadliest best.

    He led India in an unprecedented three 50-over World Cups (1992, 1996, 1999) while others like S Venkatraghavan, Kapil Dev and MS Dhoni captained in two editions each.

    The last of his 22 Test hundreds came against South Africa in his 99th and final match after which he was indicted for match-fixing.

    While his fall from grace was quick, the road to redemption was filled with a lot of problems, including personal tragedy, and controversies that never seemed to leave him.

    He lost his younger son Mohammed Ayazuddin in a bike accident in 2011.

    He tried to enter sports administration through the Badminton Association of India but was found ineligible.

    Even though the court termed his ban "illegal", the BCCI never fully warmed up to him and he is yet to get his pending payments, one-time benefit cheque and pension.

    By 2016, he was gradually getting acceptance in the system and would get invitations for various BCCI functions, including the annual awards night.

    As the top representative of Hyderabad CA, he will now become relevant as the N Srinivasan camp and its rivals fight for power in BCCI.

    https://www.outlookindia.com/website...esident/339530
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    the king is back .....

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    Match fixing existed before Azhar also.

    Also , one person alone cannot fix a game , you need at least 3 - 4 top players to do that.

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    Not an all time great, but one of the greatest of his era. He had excellent technique.

    Unfortunately, he bottled it with the match fixing scandal.

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    Seeing how we reward crooks like Azhar, Jadeja and Prabhakar, Indians have no right to lecture Pakistanis about their fixing problems or shame Butt, Amir, Asif. First set your own house in order, then worry about others. News like these make me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    My all-time favourite Indian batsman.
    Apart from tendulkar the 90s indian batting was pretty mediocre. The contrast effect of Nayan mongia at the other end made him look good. He barely performed under pressure. Limited in ability. And then the fixing thing happened.
    Gavaskar wipes the floor with Azhar everyday of the week as far as ATG batsmen from india are concerned.
    Also because wristy style is not natural to the western players so they found him to be exotic in a sense. That may explain why he was admired outside the subcontinent.
    We have had atleast 10 better batsmen over the years.


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