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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Not as determined or hungry as a champion batsmen.
    I'd say is that he's had it very easy so far in test cricket due to being a very talented player and being a media darling.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Needs to start getting big daddy 100s and stop getting nice 50s and then throwing his wicket away. Hes a good player who needs to step it up a level personally and for the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Which is funny with the number of english fans raving about Root. Some already had him down to be on course to become England's greatest ever batsmen or the best talent they've produced in 50 years
    He scores big hundreds at home but its sad that away he has failed to do that over a good sample now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    And we had some purported English fan, @James perhaps, suggesting that there's a sense of destiny when Root bats - something that is not the case when Kohli is on the crease. I really had to bite my tongue on that one. Nothing really screams destiny harder than Root's endless and impactless 50s.
    Certainly wasn’t me, lol. He is clearly a good batsman, one of the best produced by England since the 80s, but he has a long way to go if he wants to become an all-time great.

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    Root is a good batsman, but cmon, it's not hard to average 50+ in this batting era and score fifties, real ATGs from this era will be those who can maintain a healthy average and score big, aka Smith and Kohli


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    Quote Originally Posted by CricFan2012 View Post
    Root is a good batsman, but cmon, it's not hard to average 50+ in this batting era and score fifties, real ATGs from this era will be those who can maintain a healthy average and score big, aka Smith and Kohli
    Those two, Rabada and Hazlewood are 100% certain to be ATGs.

    I don't think anyone else is on that level IMO.

    Steyn and Sanga are the two before them.

    Amla, AB, Cook, Broad, Anderson and KP all fell short.
    Last edited by Aman; 8th December 2017 at 03:57.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Those two, Rabada and Hazlewood are 100% certain to be ATGs.

    I don't think anyone else is on that level IMO.

    Steyn and Sanga are the two before them.

    Amla, AB, Cook, Broad, Anderson and KP all fell short.
    Anderson is an interesting one, maybe not an all time great but I rate him much higher than I used to, he is having a sterling final phase in his career and is strongly enhancing his reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Anderson is an interesting one, maybe not an all time great but I rate him much higher than I used to, he is having a sterling final phase in his career and is strongly enhancing his reputation.
    I have to agree with this.

    His experience is making him a much more dangerous bowler.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    England are now in with a chance. A chance to turn the Ashes on its head.

    A lead of about 300 runs, an epic run chase with Joe Root and Co standing tall to take England to a fabulous victory under hostile conditions.

    If that doesn't get him knighthood - I doubt anything else will!

    Cmon England!
    No chance. It’s not Rooty’s fault. He has been given the wrong side. No pace, no experienced batters, Bairstow used wrong, no Stokes, no attacking spinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Which is funny with the number of english fans raving about Root. Some already had him down to be on course to become England's greatest ever batsmen or the best talent they've produced in 50 years
    He has a chance at being the best since Denis Compton, for sure.

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    Right, here’s a bit more radical....

    Stoneman
    Hameed
    Cook (dropping him back to where he began for England)
    Bairstow
    Root (his best position)
    Moeen
    Foakes (wk)
    Woakes
    Wood (replacing Broad who is not performing at present)
    Anderson
    Crane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Right, here’s a bit more radical....

    Stoneman
    Hameed
    Cook (dropping him back to where he began for England)
    Bairstow
    Root (his best position)
    Moeen
    Foakes (wk)
    Woakes
    Wood (replacing Broad who is not performing at present)
    Anderson
    Crane
    Is it me or Stokes not there?

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    England are imploding after the latest in a series of alcohol-related incidents but Kevin Pietersen has climbed into the tourists for other failings, accusing Alastair Cook of looking disinterested, batsmen of making out that the Australian attack "is the scariest bowling they've ever faced" and suggesting there may be a factional split in Joe Root's touring party.

    At 2-0 down in the Ashes series and with England Lions squad member Ben Duckett having caused a new wave of controversy by throwing a beer over the head of James Anderson in a Perth bar, England are in proper eat-their-own mode.

    Pietersen is at the front of the queue. He says the surprise decision by captain Root to bowl first after winning the toss in Adelaide may not have had the support of all his players.

    "I have heard there are rumours that a couple of people didn't want to bowl first in Adelaide. If a couple of people didn't want to bowl and Root's made that decision and they've lost, yeah there are certain factions that can happen in dressing rooms when that happens," said Pietersen, who on the weekend labelled the Duckett episode a "f****** embarrassment" on Twitter.

    "We'll just have to wait and see. I think Perth is going to be a fascinating Test match – to see if the wheels are going to come off or not."

    Pietersen also believes Cook, who will play his 150th Test against Australia at the WACA, may be at the end of the road in an 11-year international career in which he has become England's record Test run scorer by a significant distance.

    The criticism will likely come as no surprise to Cook, with whom the South African-born batsman fell out as the 2013/14 Ashes series went off the rails for England before Pietersen was ultimately sacked.

    However, Pietersen delivered a particularly withering assessment of the 32-year-old's motivation in Australia, citing concerns raised by Ricky Ponting before the series about how long Cook could continue after standing aside from the captaincy. The opener has scored 62 runs in four innings in the first two Tests.

    "Ponting's been through it, he's done it all before. He's played 168 Test matches and he calls things pretty accurately and pretty well and it looks like Cook is not very interested," said Pietersen, commentating in Australia for Channel 9 and British broadcaster BT Sport.

    "Just the way that he's got out, the manner of his dismissals and also the way he's walked off the field once he's got out. That's the sign of a bloke who goes, 'You know what, maybe my time is up'.

    "He might be able to put up a performance in his 150th Test match. He's got a Test hundred at the WACA before. But who knows?

    "That fire burns in your belly for a number of years and then eventually it starts to go out. I had spotted it before the series and there's certainly no signs at the moment to prove there's any fire in Cook's belly."

    Cook is not the only one in the firing line. While bar-room excursions have led to questions about England's team culture, Pietersen indicated that the performance of the tourists' batsmen across the first two Tests had exposed a lack of desire to take on Australian quicks Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins and Josh Hazlewood.

    "There's no drive, there's no real determination to say, 'Well, these Australian bowlers are not bowling 100 miles [160km] an hour'," he said.

    "They're not bowling at a speed they haven't faced throughout their careers. One or two balls have been 150kmh but they're in the 140s, which isn't something that people haven't faced before.

    "So to me it looks like the England batters are making out that this Australian bowling attack in their head is some of the fastest they've ever faced, is the scariest bowling they've ever faced and it looks like they're just very nervous when they go out to bat."

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/...0171210-h022d6
    Last edited by hadi123; 10th December 2017 at 13:03.


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  14. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Right, here’s a bit more radical....

    Stoneman
    Hameed
    Cook (dropping him back to where he began for England)
    Bairstow
    Root (his best position)
    Moeen
    Foakes (wk)
    Woakes
    Wood (replacing Broad who is not performing at present)
    Anderson
    Crane
    Hard to disagree with most of that, replace Broad though? Woakes bowled very well under lights in Adelaide but those conditions will not be seen again in the series and he will be back to the usual Woakes. He should be dropped for Wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Hard to disagree with most of that, replace Broad though? Woakes bowled very well under lights in Adelaide but those conditions will not be seen again in the series and he will be back to the usual Woakes. He should be dropped for Wood.
    Fair point. Though I think Broad has been out of form for a while now. He could do with a series off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Is it me or Stokes not there?
    Obviously I would prefer to have Stokes-Foakes-Woakes just for jokes.

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