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    Is Fakhar Zaman heading down the same path as Nasir Jamshed?

    He had a good Champions Trophy, but hasn't done anything of much significance since then. He didn't play so good in the World XI tour, only making scores like 8, 21, and even against SL, w/ scores like 11, 17, and 6 in the ODI and T20 series, though he did play some good innings in like 2-3 matches. Now in the BPL, he got out by Mohammad Sami for only 2. Perhaps he's been struggling because of the pitches, which can somewhat be understandable, but I hope he finds his form back and plays good innings next month against New Zealand. What is your guys' opinion?

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    I don’t think so. Sometimes he’s been unlucky with run outs due to Shehzad like in the World XI series and against SL.

    He’s clearly out of form which has made him throw his wicket away quite a few times over the last few months trying to bludgeon his way out of trouble.

    Expect him to do well in NZ.

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    Jamshed never went out of form....

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    Interesting comments coming soon regarding Fakhar Zaman from Aamir Sohail.

    Watch this space.....



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    Maybe. Jamshed though held it together for a few series, not just one tournament. And Jamshed was vastly more talented than, and looked in total control (which Fakhar hasn't at times, been dropped early/lucky early on, but has made it count when he was).

    I think Fakhar looks more determined and disciplined than Jamshed so I don't think he will. Also while Jamshed had a good record in domestic, Fakhar's is superb at least in list A. I don't think anyone in domestic has as good a list A record as he does, strike rate and average combined. It's even better than Babar's (and Sami Aslam). It's the reason he's in the team, to the eye he looked fairly average and I don't think would have been picked in the first place had he merely just had a good record.
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    Jamshed averaged 35 in domestic cricket while FZ averages 50 so no comparison

    Jamshed had a golden patch after that his mediocre average came back to haunt him

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    Fakhar zaman is a clutch player, will shine at the right time. Only problem with him is, he loses his cool when spinners come into play, wants to hit every ball out of the park. Insted of being judgmental, we need to be patient and let him flourish.

    Also there is no comparison between the two as Jamsheed was too lazy while as Fakhar is super fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShahidDar08 View Post
    Also there is no comparison between the two as Jamsheed was too lazy while as Fakhar is super fit.
    I agree with this. The fact that Zaman takes fitness more seriously than Jamshed suggests he is also more willing to learn. Also, Zaman is an aggressive player so fans should expect some failures from him as that's his natural game. His batting hasn't been awful either, just standard as his average against SL in ODI series was just under 30. I think expectations were too high after the CT. The NZ series will be a good test of his abilities.

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    What path is that, getting fat and indulging in corruption? I think not! he's already a better human being then Nasir ever was and has accomplished more then him with the bat in his short tenure, he deserves a long rope and will get better with support and guidance, throwing him in the bin at this stage would not be productive as far as our world cup preparations are concerned.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Zaman needs to play properly and not become just a glorified slogger. He showed that when he attacked the Indian spinners they were under pressure like no PK batsman had put them under in the last decade + ( maybe ended the careers of Ashwin and Jadeja in odi cricket) and he did it with proper shots. Also when he does get in, he seems happy with a 30 or 40 too often.

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    Teams are starting to work Fakhar Zaman out. You could see the bowlers in the World XI and Sri Lanka series had done their homework against him by cramping him for room and bowling leg-stump line.

    He has a short ball weakness that he needs to address before the South Africa tour where he'll face fast, bouncy wickets and quality pace bowling.

    Too often we've seen Pakistani batsmen make promising starts to their careers before fading away after opponents identify their weaknesses. The key is for him to fix those flaws but at his age I don't know how many technical adjustments you can make.

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    Aamir Sohail regarding Fakhar Zaman.

    Fakhar Zaman has been found out

    It is a little sad to note that for all the success that Fakhar Zaman experienced at the Champions Trophy in the summer, he has been unable to repeat that in subsequent games. The reason for that is rather simple and that is the fact that during the Champions Trophy, not many sides knew much about Fakhar. He was new and a surprise package for many opposing teams. Since then, the other teams have worked him out and come up with ways to neutralise his threat. In my opinion, it is his back-lift and how he crouches before deliveries is where all his problems stem from. Regardless of what the actual issue is, the shocking aspect of all this is that despite having an army of coaches, no one has been able to help Fakhar resolve his problems. These coaches are incapable of helping a struggling batsman to improve his technique by giving him the right kind of information. Although there seems to be no dearth of unnecessary information provided to the player which only confuses the batsman without any obvious benefit. Without precise information, a player will continue to struggle and Fakhar is a good example of that failing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Zaman needs to play properly and not become just a glorified slogger. He showed that when he attacked the Indian spinners they were under pressure like no PK batsman had put them under in the last decade + ( maybe ended the careers of Ashwin and Jadeja in odi cricket) and he did it with proper shots. Also when he does get in, he seems happy with a 30 or 40 too often.
    Sounds like a young Davey Warner. He had to learn the same lessons about pacing an innings & when/how to channel his natural aggression.

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    I don’t think so.Teams will obviously work him out,but I think he can work out and improve on his weaknesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Aamir Sohail regarding Fakhar Zaman.

    Fakhar Zaman has been found out

    It is a little sad to note that for all the success that Fakhar Zaman experienced at the Champions Trophy in the summer, he has been unable to repeat that in subsequent games. The reason for that is rather simple and that is the fact that during the Champions Trophy, not many sides knew much about Fakhar. He was new and a surprise package for many opposing teams. Since then, the other teams have worked him out and come up with ways to neutralise his threat. In my opinion, it is his back-lift and how he crouches before deliveries is where all his problems stem from. Regardless of what the actual issue is, the shocking aspect of all this is that despite having an army of coaches, no one has been able to help Fakhar resolve his problems. These coaches are incapable of helping a struggling batsman to improve his technique by giving him the right kind of information. Although there seems to be no dearth of unnecessary information provided to the player which only confuses the batsman without any obvious benefit. Without precise information, a player will continue to struggle and Fakhar is a good example of that failing.
    I think Amir is going overboard with his analysis. Most batsman have weaknesses identified and have to work on them but coaches dont have magic wands, batsman learn more from experience than they do from coaches and i am sure if he has the desire he will go onto have a decent career. I would take a flawed Fakhar over the boring, untalented tripe that has been played at the top of order for the most part of a decade.

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    Let's drop Fakhar and have Azhar and Sami see off the new ball and score at 40 SR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    Sounds like a young Davey Warner. He had to learn the same lessons about pacing an innings & when/how to channel his natural aggression.
    He's no Warner. That was Sharjeel.


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    We were raving over a guy who bats at a strike rate of 100-110. That's how desperate we became because of the pathetic cricket Pakistan were playing.

    Salman Butt was doing the same as Fakhar is now by playing text book shots instead of hacks.

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    People who expect him to be as good as Warner will be let down. He a 35 averaging player who can strike at a 90 plus strike rate. For our standard that is like gold dust.

    I wouldn't write him off yet. I think the coaching staff have had him work on a couple of his weakness which will take a little bit of time to implement. Let's see how he does in New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    We were raving over a guy who bats at a strike rate of 100-110. That's how desperate we became because of the pathetic cricket Pakistan were playing.

    Salman Butt was doing the same as Fakhar is now by playing text book shots instead of hacks.
    his strike eate was 74 even low for 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    People who expect him to be as good as Warner will be let down. He a 35 averaging player who can strike at a 90 plus strike rate. For our standard that is like gold dust.

    I wouldn't write him off yet. I think the coaching staff have had him work on a couple of his weakness which will take a little bit of time to implement. Let's see how he does in New Zealand.
    That’s still very good and it’s what we need if we want to play a modern brand of cricket. If you look at England both Hales and Roy average 35ish with a similar SR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    That’s still very good and it’s what we need if we want to play a modern brand of cricket. If you look at England both Hales and Roy average 35ish with a similar SR.

    Roy and Hales have more shots in there Arsenal compared to Fakhar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Roy and Hales have more shots in there Arsenal compared to Fakhar.
    They are both “hacks”. You need 1-2 hacks in ODIs unless you are blessed with a top order like India’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Let's drop Fakhar and have Azhar and Sami see off the new ball and score at 40 SR.
    And if not them try Mudassar Nazar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    They are both “hacks”. You need 1-2 hacks in ODIs unless you are blessed with a top order like India’s.
    Roy isn't a hack. He can play 360 degress versus pace and spin. Don't even think Fakhar is a hack as well but get the point your trying to make.

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    The hundred in the final was a fluke, but I am certain that he will have a better and longer career than Jamshed. Not a top player, but he is very good for our standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The hundred in the final was a fluke, but I am certain that he will have a better and longer career than Jamshed. Not a top player, but he is very good for our standards.
    Yeah although he not a top player but can do the job for us and is probably the best option for us ODIs

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    have known him from about 3-4 years people need to realize that he was pretty much conventional by pakistani standards about 2 years ago.He can't be categorized a hack

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    his strike eate was 74 even low for 2010.
    Check his innings where he gets going and scores big, he was a run a ball batsman. 74 playing upto 2010 wasnt a bad sr at all. Check the last ODI wc in India 2011, it didnt consist of mammoth totals throughout, only in 2015 Australia it became apparent that ODI scores are going ballistic!


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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    They are both “hacks”. You need 1-2 hacks in ODIs unless you are blessed with a top order like India’s.
    You need a hacking type of player at the top order to give you a flying start. Fakhar is exactly that type of guy. At least until Sharjeel returns, Fakhar can be very useful in the team.

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    Na Fakhar Zaman way better. Pakistan fans just need to be patient. He just won us a final against one of the best teams in the world. A slight poor run no doubt, but still the best opener we have atm

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    That hundred was a "fluke" lol at some "fans"


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    Equal number of pros and cons
    I will give my verdict after newzealand series

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    Jamshed was much better batsman with poor work ethics (with other side notes as well, as it's reveling ...). But, FZ is hard worker, focused & much fitter.

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    Fakhar is not made for T20Is. He doesn't have a large array of strokes to be able to deal with the demands of T20 cricket. He is very strong in some zones but quite weak in others. In ODIs he will have the luxury to take his time and won't be under pressure to slog the ball after a single bad over. His domestic record also reflects this, His best Format is one day cricket where he averages nearly 50. Let him settle down in the format he is comfortable in and look elsewhere for T20Is. Hopefully the PSL helps in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    That hundred was a "fluke" lol at some "fans"
    Need to give him some time before coming to any judgment, "fans" should be patient

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    I don’t think so. Sometimes he’s been unlucky with run outs due to Shehzad like in the World XI series and against SL.

    He’s clearly out of form which has made him throw his wicket away quite a few times over the last few months trying to bludgeon his way out of trouble.

    Expect him to do well in NZ.
    So is it Shehzad's fault that Fakhar is not scoring runs or is he out of form?

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    Even during CT, most of his boundaries against pace bowlers were french cuts or top edges. He does not have game against pace men, I was worried about that even in CT. His 100 against India was built around bashing spinners, he will not get much of spinners any more, AUS/ENG/SA/NZ are not going to throw spinners at him, where runs are going to come then??

    Sharjeel (and even NJ) were very different players. Sharjeel is/was one of the best puller/hooker and cutter we have seen in a very long time, those shots of his were very solid, he could play them against 150 clicks pace(as he played them against Wood and in AUS). There was method and technique to those shots not blind french cut and top edges like Fakhir....Fakhir got hit on helmet like 8 times in 4 matches in CT, his batting was mostly daring against pace...You could see against spin he was lot more comfortable and thoughtful. Playing against spin is not a special skill, Malik/Hafeez/Sarfraz/Shezad even Misbah now can do that, and so million in the domestic circuit...Playing with authority against pace is special skill for us, Sharjeel and NJ were far better (specially Sharjeel) at those than all others...


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    Unfortunately yes.

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    This thread highlights the idiocy of critiquing players based on subjective visual impressions.

    Why won't you guys learn? The ones who score runs in volume and fast are top-class players. It just doesn't matter what it looks like and the ability of people to look at techniques and guess whether it will work or not is worse than a failure.

    Fakhar averages almost 50 in list A at 95 SR, which is insanely good. He has thus far almost performed to those numbers in ODIs so questioning his place and performance is absurd.

    But then again whenever Pakistan finds a good player who can score fast, the standard seems to be that he must score 50+ at 100+ SR every single game or he is a hack and you have to drop him for some slow loser.

    His numbers in T20 and ODI are both impressive and people just need to get off his back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShahidDar08 View Post
    Fakhar zaman is a clutch player, will shine at the right time. Only problem with him is, he loses his cool when spinners come into play, wants to hit every ball out of the park. Insted of being judgmental, we need to be patient and let him flourish.

    Also there is no comparison between the two as Jamsheed was too lazy while as Fakhar is super fit.
    Wanting to hit balls out of the park is exactly what Pakistan needs.

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    Fakhar is a poor man's NJ who in turn is poor man's Sharjeel

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    So is it Shehzad's fault that Fakhar is not scoring runs or is he out of form?
    No, i’m just saying that Fakhar has been denied run scoring opportunities at least 2-3 times due to being run out unluckily.

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    Really typical of some Pakistani fans/pundits to dismiss a class ODI Player.

    He's going to be a key player in the World Cup for us. Everyone calm down and back him rather than have the knives out for a player after a few games!

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    Nasir was lazy and unfit. Fakhar is focused and fit. There's a massive difference.

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    nasir is the guy who blamed being told to lose weight as a reason for his drastic dip in form. Fakhar has a military background is used to fitness drills his whole life and maintaing discipline. Fakhar does have some flaws in his game but wont fall off a cliff like Nasir did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    No, i’m just saying that Fakhar has been denied run scoring opportunities at least 2-3 times due to being run out unluckily.
    Oh okay!

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    Virat Kohli said completely different things about our openers, he says that Azhar Ali is the type of guy that a bowling team can make plans of to get him out as he plays conventional shots whereas Fakhar is the opposite so it's difficult to make some sort of plan to get him out. I think Fakhar is a class player so we need to be patient.

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    He is technically woeful. Worse than Jamshed. He would have been found out eventually anyway. Once in a while he may click.

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    Fakhar is currently a one innings in 20 player - a player who will only come off once in a while when it's his day.

    This is due to several technical issues with his batting as well as an inability to rotate the strike.

    He can improve, but of late, I have seen zero improvement from him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    inability to rotate the strike
    Really? Apart from the CT final I thought he was really eager to rotate the strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The hundred in the final was a fluke, but I am certain that he will have a better and longer career than Jamshed. Not a top player, but he is very good for our standards.
    Maybe a fluke but he got 2 50s before that and a 30. He averages 50 in domestics also which proves that he deserves to be in the team and at the moment he is miles better than jamshed. However, he needs to keep it up and improve otherwise he will go by that route which not only jamshed but many many Pakistani cricketers have gone through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Fakhar is currently a one innings in 20 player - a player who will only come off once in a while when it's his day.

    This is due to several technical issues with his batting as well as an inability to rotate the strike.

    He can improve, but of late, I have seen zero improvement from him.
    Insha Allah he will improve. His technique isn't the greatest but that 100 in the final shows he is mentally tough and so I'm sure he will continue to fight it out in the future and work hard to improve his game.
    He is certainly one of if not the best opener in Pakistan at the moment in limited overs as he averages 50 in domestics for a period of time and getting a 100 vs India in a champions trophy final is no easy job which shows he definitely deserves to be in the team.
    Coming to your 1 in 20 point I disagree. In his first 4 matches he got a 30, 2 50s and a 100 all of them away from home in a global tournament. If his only performance so far in his career was the 100 then I would agree that he's 1 in 20 player but the fact that he played crucial innings before that 100 shows that he isn't a 1 in 20 or once in a while player.

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    To my surprise, CV played him only one innings. I believe he was a late purchase after GT20 was scrapped, which indicates they hired him with great expectations, but either found something disappointing or he is in horrible touch (In T20, if your opener is out of touch, it can't be worst than that - PCB can keep such players in top 3, but I don't expect any pro set-up would do that).

    Personally, I don't think he is a long term player, but he can be a short term solution in his best 2/3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Really? Apart from the CT final I thought he was really eager to rotate the strike.
    Agree, I didn't watch the SL series live and only watched highlights and we all know highlights only show boundaries etc but when I watched him in the CT he was very eager to rotate the strike. Many balls he just tapped and ran quick singles.

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    There really is too much scrutiny on the guy. He hasn't even completed his first year of International cricket and people are on his back. The guy won us the most important game Pakistan has played in recent years and deserves a longer rope just because of that. Leave him alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    He's no Warner. That was Sharjeel.
    Sharjeel definitely isn't no Warner, not even close. Warner is an elite opener who scores quick while having one of the best average among ODI batsmen. Sharjeel can score even faster than Warner but its more about 30-35 odd runs and couldn't hit spin at all. He is probably closer to Maxwell.

    Nonetheless, this is an awful comparison between Fakhar and Jamshed. Fakhar has a superb domestic track record and this is so absurdly premature to even this just because Fakhar struggled for few games in those awful UAE tracks. Don't really understand why people overreact in such big ways when a player does well or poorly in a small sample size... every single player in the world, in every single sport has its good and bad days/streaks. If he's awful for the next 15-20 games, maybe bring it up then.

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    Fakhar is obviously strict about his discipline and fitness but lets see if he can sort out his weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Fakhar is currently a one innings in 20 player - a player who will only come off once in a while when it's his day.

    This is due to several technical issues with his batting as well as an inability to rotate the strike.

    He can improve, but of late, I have seen zero improvement from him.
    I've actually felt decline in his game. I remember he was nudging around tighter deliveries for 1s and 2s in his early games. Now he just stands blank and waits for that odd ball or two apart from creating room on his own.

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