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    PAF ordered to shoot down US drones invading Pakistani airspace: Air Chief Sohail Aman

    Chief of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman has said that the PAF is been given orders to shoot down any drones, including those of the US, if they violate the country’s airspace.

    Talking to an audience in Islamabad, Aman said that the attack on Kamra Air Base was the biggest and most unfortunate tragedy in the PAF’s history.

    “We suffered a lot of losses in the incident but did not lose our morale. In fact, we have continued the fight against extremism with unflinching vigor and resolve since then, transforming the PAF into a much stronger force.”

    Talking about the terror threat emanating from Afghanistan, the air chief was of the opinion that where dozens of countries in the world had failed, the PAF had been successful in bringing about peace.

    “Even Indian defence officials attest to our successes on the battlefield,” Aman boasted.

    The PAF chief also informed the gathering that in the attack on Kamra Air Base, terrorists managed to destroy one PAF SAB plane completely, and also inflicted considerable damage upon another.

    “An international organisation wanted $287 million to to cover the material damage that the PAF sustained in the attack, but Pakistan’s bright, young scientists and engineers added two new fully-functioning SAB planes to our fleet at a fraction of the cost,” Aman said.

    “After the attack on Kamra Air Base, not only did we set out to make the PAF better and stronger, but were also determined to guide the nations towards self-sufficiency. Now, Pakistan will make its own fighter jets.”

    He also stressed that there was no shortage of talent in the country, but rather that the keen minds present here needed a platform on which to showcase their exceptional talents to the world.

    Discussing security issues at large, the PAF chief noted that the region the country was based in was beset by different challenges and difficulties at the moment.

    “Pakistan is unfortunate in the sense that our neighbours are trying to harm us. India, being our sworn enemy, was behind the attack on Kamran Air Base. What do terrorists want from PAF planes?” he asked.

    We cannot, though, change our neighbours, Aman lamented.

    “No outside power can engineer a democracy inside a country, nor is democracy the solution to every problem. Examples in Iraq and Libya are in front of us. After the fall of Qaddafi and Saddam, what happened in these countries? Did they get democracy?” Sohail Aman said while talking about Middle Eastern affairs.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1578345...f-sohail-aman/


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    Yeeah right we will see nowhere in that statement that he mentions shooting down USA drones
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    It'll be a great move, but let's believe this when we see it.

    Are drone strikes still on in Pakistan though? Haven't heard much of it of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    Yeeah right we will see nowhere in that statement that he mentions shooting down USA drones
    You are right, very poor article. Tribune should stick to writing about movies and pop music.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    It'll be a great move, but let's believe this when we see it.

    Are drone strikes still on in Pakistan though? Haven't heard much of it of late.
    hardly any..the odd one or two..most of the strikes are in Afghanistan at the moment as the majority of the US's high value targets are over there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    It'll be a great move, but let's believe this when we see it.

    Are drone strikes still on in Pakistan though? Haven't heard much of it of late.
    There are a few strikes in FATA,but USA is threatening to expand drone attacks to Quetta,Peshawar and beyond.

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    That can't, America's the best.


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    If Pakistan stops allowing US drone attacks, US will discard any notion of Pakistan being an 'ally in the war on terror'.

    And then things will go south really quickly.


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    Seeing is believing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by desi_launda View Post
    There are a few strikes in FATA,but USA is threatening to expand drone attacks to Quetta,Peshawar and beyond.
    FATA because its so remote might still get a few but Peshawar and Quetta a main population centres. No way US will try to use drones in the middle of the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    hardly any..the odd one or two..most of the strikes are in Afghanistan at the moment as the majority of the US's high value targets are over there now.
    So this sounds like a directive made to close the stable door after the horse has bolted. If they had said this in 2011 and followed through with a shoot down or two, then we're talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    So this sounds like a directive made to close the stable door after the horse has bolted. If they had said this in 2011 and followed through with a shoot down or two, then we're talking.
    Probably, but its also a message to the CIA who have an independent drone program. Any such misadventure will be dealt with. Most of the US military drone strikes are done with the knowledge of the pakistan security services. Any move to expand strikes will now have to be met by force.

    Essentially this is a diplomatic game. Ignore the bravado and read between the lines. This is merely a response to Mattis' trip to the country. I'm sure some frank discussions were held and a threat to expand drone strikes made. This is Pakistan's response. Trumps Pakistan policy is in tatters. We have called their bluff and their is an old bloke on crutches behind the curtain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MABA View Post
    FATA because its so remote might still get a few but Peshawar and Quetta a main population centres. No way US will try to use drones in the middle of the city.
    Do you think USA cares about civilian deaths?How many were killed in Iraq?How many in Syria,Libya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi_launda View Post
    There are a few strikes in FATA,but USA is threatening to expand drone attacks to Quetta,Peshawar and beyond.
    A drone strike on a major population center like Peshawar or Quetta would be a declaration of war.


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    US cannot afford to lose Pakistan's "alliance" if it wishes to see her soldiers in Afghanistan survive. Keep in mind the US soldier's food, ration, clothing, toilet paper, EVERYTHING goes through Pakistan.



    No matter how much the Indians would want the US to "bomb" Pakistan, it is not going to happen.



    Drone strikes in remote, hard to reach places in FATA are a different matter since Pakistan has itself requested drone strikes plenty of times in those areas.


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    Pakistan shooting down an American drone. Good joke!


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    Quote Originally Posted by desi_launda View Post
    Do you think USA cares about civilian deaths?How many were killed in Iraq?How many in Syria,Libya?
    Drone warfare is never done in major cities, you think the US will target Peshawar or Quetta? If there was precedence I would consider it but comparing the situation in Iraq or Syria to Pakistan is completely nonsensical.

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    Drone strike yesterday in kurram agency 2.4 km inside Pakistan village called mata Sangar

    Was on news tickers on geo ary

    Ispr and Charlie's of paf covering up news and now denying continuous strikes in kurram agency for a couple months an ostrich with its head buried in the sand syndrome .

    USA now firing missiles from Afghan airspace from a standoff range .

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    Drone strike yesterday in kurram agency 2.4 km inside Pakistan village called mata Sangar

    Was on news tickers on geo ary

    Ispr and Charlie's of paf covering up news and now denying continuous strikes in kurram agency for a couple months an ostrich with its head buried in the sand syndrome .

    USA now firing missiles from Afghan airspace from a standoff range .
    their firing from the afghan side. In a away this limits their reach but we cant really do much about that. I still think we should fire at standoff ranges and take out their drones..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    their firing from the afghan side. In a away this limits their reach but we cant really do much about that. I still think we should fire at standoff ranges and take out their drones..
    That would mean we would have to shift valuable Sam /radar systems to western border in remote fata bases which could be hit by ttp , I don't know what missiles or radars we can shift there or whether we can track their drones because abbotabad and salala prove otherwise , and if these assets are on western border u can bet they will be targeted by rockets artillery by afghans ttp with USA and India helping them , also im pretty sure our radars can't match usaf they will most likely use electronic warfare and jam our radars and Sam systems we don't have anything cutting edge in our Sam arsenal like s300/s400

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    I think the best solution is paf starts patrolling the fata area continuously with patrol aircraft and fighter aircraft and where there is Afghan ttp threat on border take it out

    Obviously we can't match usaf and we don't have cutting edge sams so whenever USA does a drone strike , with help of Chinese using their satellites and Beidou we should target Afghanistan with Babur missiles so hit Afghan Indian official positions bases offices police stations etc in bordering provinces like nangarhar and kunar etc if USA starts jumping about we simply say ttp fighters are being helped and stationed there , same way they cry about haqqanis being supported by Isi

    If they go one step further and start attacking our army then u cut of all supply routes and give them ultimatum that we strike your USA bases in Afghanistan and whole Middle East region with ballistic missiles call their bluff like n Korea and Iran .

    I bet you they will come running to defuse the situation .

    But this will require some balls by our military and government which has been sadly lacking since 2001 agsinst this USA / India / Afghan nexus

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    Time to put words into action. Countries cant just fly in and kill people irrespective of who they are! There is a reason why it's called a sovereign nation.

    US drone kills 2 militants from Haqqani network in Pakistan

    Pakistan on Wednesday condemned United States (US) drone strikes in Kurram Agency, admonishing Washington for taking "unilateral actions... [that] are detrimental to the spirit of cooperation between the two countries in the fight against terrorism."

    Earlier today, Haqqani Network Commander Ehsan alias Khawari and two of his companions were allegedly killed during a drone strike in Kurram Agency, DawnNews reported.

    Station House Officer Thal Ameer Zaman confirmed the death of a man named Nasir Mehmood alias Khawari.

    - On January 17, in the first drone strike of the year, one man was severely injured in Kurram Agency's Badshah Kot area near the Pak-Afghan border.

    - Two people were killed on December 26, 2017 in a drone strike which targeted a vehicle. The strike occurred in the Mata Sangar area of Kurram.

    - Dec, last year, a US drone had fired a missile at a compound in the same area. The missile had been fired at the compound at around 9pm, but no casualty was reported.

    - In November 2017, three suspected militants were killed in another drone strike targeting a militant compound in Afghanistan's Paktia province near the Pak-Afghan border.

    Drone strikes have surged in Kurram in the wake of US President Donald Trump’s announcement of a new Afghan policy in August, in which Pakistan was also accused of offering “safe havens to agents of chaos”.
    Cant the Air Force jets simply warn them off. There is no need to take them down but atleast show authority! There are multiple border posts in the area and what guarantee is the that the soldiers are safe!

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1384978/pa...-kurram-agency

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01...-pakistan.html

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    Drone strike again

    Seems the air chief was on Hennessy when he made that statement

    If you want to see a real country with a real army and a proper civilian leader look no further than turkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortbread View Post
    Time to put words into action. Countries cant just fly in and kill people irrespective of who they are! There is a reason why it's called a sovereign nation.

    Cant the Air Force jets simply warn them off. There is no need to take them down but atleast show authority! There are multiple border posts in the area and what guarantee is the that the soldiers are safe!

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1384978/pa...-kurram-agency

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01...-pakistan.html
    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    Drone strike again

    Seems the air chief was on Hennessy when he made that statement

    If you want to see a real country with a real army and a proper civilian leader look no further than turkey
    Its kurram agency near afghan border. if drone strikes comes from inside afghan border thn one cant do anything. other thn going for Long range SAMs which pak army didnt have yet.

    keep in mind. Incoming missiles can only be intercepted by long range SAMs. not fighter Jets.


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    Embarrassing from Pakistan. Stop the cowardice and show some guts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    Its kurram agency near afghan border. if drone strikes comes from inside afghan border thn one cant do anything. other thn going for Long range SAMs which pak army didnt have yet.

    keep in mind. Incoming missiles can only be intercepted by long range SAMs. not fighter Jets.
    Not interested in excuses

    Turkey was threatened by USA sponsored Isis and ypg and look
    What turkey did went deep into Syria to skin them alive .

    If armed force Charlie's who are taking billions and billions of dough from the exchequer and then failing to protect the sovereignty of nation and being complicit in selling our air land sea to USA and china then they need to get lost and those billions need to go to the awam health education food housing instead for Charlie's and their defence house scheme villas and illegal plots they usurp from nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    Not interested in excuses

    Turkey was threatened by USA sponsored Isis and ypg and look
    What turkey did went deep into Syria to skin them alive .

    If armed force Charlie's who are taking billions and billions of dough from the exchequer and then failing to protect the sovereignty of nation and being complicit in selling our air land sea to USA and china then they need to get lost and those billions need to go to the awam health education food housing instead for Charlie's and their defence house scheme villas and illegal plots they usurp from nation
    what a stupid emotional post.
    US have the highly advance tech of Drone and long range missiles systems in the world.
    its not excuse its a ground reality. if drone across the border attacks near the pak-afghan border kurram agency, thn how can you stop it until you have long range weapons system of SAMs ? as i said before an Incoming missile can only be counter with Long range advance SAMs. not with bear Hands. PAF/PAK army didnt have it.
    you think PAF f-16 should go inside afghan border and attack on US/NATO airbases ? is that what you suggesting ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    Not interested in excuses

    Turkey was threatened by USA sponsored Isis and ypg and look
    What turkey did went deep into Syria to skin them alive .

    If armed force Charlie's who are taking billions and billions of dough from the exchequer and then failing to protect the sovereignty of nation and being complicit in selling our air land sea to USA and china then they need to get lost and those billions need to go to the awam health education food housing instead for Charlie's and their defence house scheme villas and illegal plots they usurp from nation
    Turkey is a NATO member, a rich country, it is not bankrupt nor does it relies on handouts. We are not in NATO, are a broken third world country nearly bankrupt and we rely on handouts.

    Comparing us to them is pointless really But I get your point about other stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    what a stupid emotional post.
    US have the highly advance tech of Drone and long range missiles systems in the world.
    its not excuse its a ground reality. if drone across the border attacks near the pak-afghan border kurram agency, thn how can you stop it until you have long range weapons system of SAMs ? as i said before an Incoming missile can only be counter with Long range advance SAMs. not with bear Hands. PAF/PAK army didnt have it.
    you think PAF f-16 should go inside afghan border and attack on US/NATO airbases ? is that what you suggesting ?
    lol Iran managed to hack a stealth drone and then land it

    Same time it captured USA navy sailors


    Like I said keep your excuses to yourself

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    And remember the valiant stand of imam Hussain at karbala

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    lol Iran managed to hack a stealth drone and then land it

    Same time it captured USA navy sailors


    Like I said keep your excuses to yourself

    Remember the battle of badr

    And remember the valiant stand of imam Hussain at karbala

    and you should keep your b-s of imaginary thinking that we should fight face-to-face with US highly advance tech with bear hands.

    wheres the proof that Iran hacked the stealth drone ? give me credible link of it.

    Iran is one of the biggest oil exporter. it can afford aid suspension and what not.
    pakistan is an agriculture country.
    you really want pakistan to fight with US ? what are you suggesting ? pakistan manages to move away US from pakistan into afghanistan after 9/11.
    you want pakistan to be the next afghanistan or what ?

    dont talk about Islamic history, its not the thread about it.

    may i ask your nationality if you dont mind ?
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